Im gonna say what no one else wants to say: The STI killed itself. It was like putting Moviestop against Netflix. This GR Corolla is what Subaru WRX and STI enthusiasts deserve, without all the reliability issues. Great review Ryan!
@@Unxpekted this gr 1.6T 3 cyl already push to 500whp in EU in GR yaris with stock internal. I’m a sti owner but I’m not fan of gr Corolla. I prefer gr yaris, smaller, cheaper, and base mode come with more standard feature. Gr corolla is over priced imo
Owned a '02 WRX hatch for 17 years, 208K miles. No big issues until the 10th year, then started having some repairs, nothing major. That said it was maintained, journal of every oil change/lightbulb. Some spirited driving but never hammered or tuned within an inch of the engine's life. Buying a used WRX/STI can be risky.
The price point was mentioned here as reasonable, $42-43k for the Circuit and $49-51k for the Morizo. But, one thing is not mentioned that I found out from finally talking to an honest dealer is the final price. Since this is a premium vehicle and there will be a limited number built paired with high demand, expect the dealer to add $10-20k to the final price. They are currently doing this with the top trim level Tundra. At this high price range I was starting to see low mileage RS7's show up in my regional car searches just for comparison.
Glad we get this (especially the Morizo edition). Will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the competition. Shame STI and RS offerings are no longer around to bolster the segment, maybe this will reinvigorate it to a degree.
The actual segment is becoming the problem. Rare, limited edition high performance versions of economy cars that were supposed to be affordable that turn into the complete opposite shouldn’t be a thing. And btw WE aren’t getting the Morizo edition, rich losers on Bring a Trailer that have $100k to spend on a Corolla get it.
16 year old boys all the way up to 23 year old boys are begging their parents to buy this for them. Toyota nailed it for building a car for this specific teen-early adult demographic. But as someone who’s worked in the schools as a shop teacher, teens also crave V8 muscle. Watching their eyes light up when they hear a V8 fire up is priceless.
Late 40's close to 50 and drives an EVO X //MR 2014 and the CIVIC //TR 2021 About a few months ago, I saw this one old white dude probably around 70's driving a clean 1980's Datsun, I can tell the guy was having fun shifting and enjoying his car! I wanna be one of the oldest guy driving the so-called Boy Racer Car! Yup, age don't matter when you know what cars are badass! 👊
@@lbcitylacounty4982 you’re so right. I taught mechanics to group of high school kids about 15 years ago. When we first fired up a donated 454 after weeks of work the smile on their faces was priceless. Like you said they know about bad ass cars because of the excitement about pure muscle and racing.
Ryan, This is the consolation prize for markets unfit, undeserving and unworthy of the GR Yaris. Still, it is one of the shiniest silver medals ever issued. It may not be the 'Apex' 0:52 of Corollas but it is certainly the pinnacle. 😉
@@yaboiyosef7640 personally, the Corolla is a better package than the Yaris, despite being heavier. If they fixed the GR4 overheating issues, the Yaris is the consolation prize for the ROW markets.
In your words “Toyota is turning the upside down!” Why can’t Subaru turn the world upside down with a MANUAL Crosstrek (turbo) version of this vehicle!? Don’t they realize the sales and buzz this would generate?
Subaru is getting away from enthusiasts, whether they realize it or not. They are going more for the off-road crowd with all the plastic cladding and such. This is coming from a Subaru advisor. They need to do both well, or if they can’t decide to just do the adventure route, which they do well. They could make small improvements to make them unstoppable
I've been saying for years a Turbo'd crosstrek would be essentially the first stock wannabe rally car and I think it would fly off the lot... I love my lil 2013 crosstrek but it's painfully slow. I don't even need STI or even WRX level speed just get me a stick and a bit over 200hp and I'm happy AF and I think a ton of others would be too
I can’t wait to see the CZcams videos that compare the Toyota GR Corolla, Honda Civic Type R, old Subaru WRX STi, Hyundai Elantra N, and Mazda3 Turbo AWD Hatch both as family cars and fun back road weekend cars
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Lol I posted this comment right as the embargo broke because Driving Sports TV was hours ahead of every other channel to share the GR Corolla.
I really like this car but getting this car would be a nightmare with all the dealer markups.. I am hoping Subaru would resurrect the STI to make this segment competitive .
Good luck getting one these, every dealer is marking them up by $15-$25k above msrp and if you weren’t lucky enough to be the first 2-3 people on the list you’re looking at a 2 year wait for a 2023 car.
The STI died because Subaru can't get that kind of performance out of a boxer/AWD combo while meeting fuel mileage and emission requirements. If there ever is a new STI (probably a hybrid hothatch) you'll likely be able to get one custom built in 2-4 months instead of waiting 2-4 years for something that might match what you're looking for. Good luck getting Toyota to allow you to buy one of these, especially anywhere near MSRP.
This car is going to be better than an Sti on the track. Toyota really gave the fans what they wanted. Hopefully the following years they will increase the number of units produced.
When the current WRX came out. I told my wife I wanted to buy it but after watching several videos it really put me down. Pathetic output (torque and horsepower) . This GR Corolla is an instant winner. No longer do I have faith in Subaru product. People asked me what about reliability? This Corolla would not be less reliable than any Subaru. With a specific output (power and torque per liter of displacement) and torque higher than the Porsche Turbo S, it puts many "exotic' euros to shame.
I m pretty happy with my loaded (sport-tech) 2019 STI, now with an extra 60ph thanks to cobb and an adjustable coilover set, thanks to Cygnus performance, and no of the modern distractions like lane assist, adapt cruise ctrl. Looks nine though with a hatch.
Awesome car and I’m glad Toyota is releasing the GR lime, but the engine sounds way overworked and I don’t see it lasting as long due to the turbo and relatively new 3 cylinder engine
LOL I would have liked to have seen you race Tommy/Roman from TFL, but it almost looks like you drove the same car they had. Nonetheless, your take on this was great. I wish they had this back in the mid to late 80's. I liked my Accord Hatchback a lot, but this would have def. taken things to the next level.
I've had a WRX in my driveway since '02. Looking to replace my aging hatch with the STI. The new WRX looks like Subaru found a discount coupon for plastic cladding. After keeping my '02 for 17 years I bought it's '05 twin to tide me over for the new model. Oh well, GR is looking like a viable replacement
The updated WRX is not a slouchy car though. It's very competent and most reviews agree that it's an improvement on the platform. Having driven one, I have to say that I enjoyed it a lot. Initially the design didn't thrill me either but it grew on me a lot after seeing it in person. Plus you can make it look a lot more aggressive with some simple additions like a rear spoiler. I also understand why Subaru did it. They're trying to tie their model lines closer together with the cladding and (at least this is what I think) make it feel more like the rally-capable WRX models of the past before they go electric.
The new WRX is the best looking one since the GM8, imo. Looking forward to seeing what they look like with a 2" lift and some A/T tires on gold rims like a proper Subie.
Toyota wins. But what I don't get, instead of building hardly any with MASSIVE dealer markups... Why doesn't Toyota build a bunch of these to be meet the demand?
Of the 5 people I know that bought cars like this (Honda Civic Type R to be specific), not a single one uses it on a track. I am extremely grateful that car companies still make exciting vehicles, but let's not pretend that anyone who makes enough money to buy one has the 16 year old brain of someone who would use it as intended.
Depends on where you live. Around me in SF bay area there are 2 dealers that do MSRP, with 8 that don't. Problem is wait lists were 30+ a day after it was announced months ago. I've been #1 for a new camry hybrid for the last 3 months. Stock is not there.
Did this Kill the STI? Nope. Ya' can't kill something that's already dead. I've been bugging two local Toyota dealerships for the last couple months to let me pre-order order one, to no avail (maybe because I've said that I won't pay over MSRP. Hmmm ;). Love the review, though!
How much did they save on the car by removing one cylinder and cutting the back? Maybe a couple of grands? This car could have been a lot better and a lot more useful and practical if they had kept the 4 cylinders and made it a little longer and boxier in the back.
I have realized why it has only 3 cylinders and a short body - because it is based on the Yaris, not the Corolla. And this GR Corolla is actually a re-badged GR Yaris.
Between Toyota giving us the STI like hot hatch that everyone's clamored for for years and Subaru dropping the ball on the new WRX (and killing the STI), I've lost faith in Subaru when it comes to performance. I loved my STI when I had it but I'm greatly considering the GR.
Seems like this is marketed towards those who are looking for a WRX upgrade/STi replacement and not those who already have an STi. I'm curious to know if those who already own an STi would trade their cars in for the GR Corolla?
I just reached out to a local Toyota dealer to see about when and if I can order this. If they can get it and not charge markup, I’ll trade my 2021 STI in for it..
@@OfficalDogeTactical I put a deposit on one earlier this year on the day they revealed it. I'm #9 on the list with no updates. It might take you a while..
I feel like in this economy they should start direct from manufacturer pricing. Skip the dealer all together. It's a crime that they can mark up vehicles so much higher than msrp.
Apparently you can't get a GR Corolla unless you are on a list, and you will still pay an ungodly sum for it, and they are producing in very limited supply, so WRX would be something you could actually purchase, so doesn't make sense to discontinue it?
Performance versions of models are getting more and more unprofitable for car manufacturers. We're going to see a lot more of them being discontinued in the future.
I’m and evo and sti guy I’ve had 2 evos and I have an sti now the only way I would get this car and I do like it would be a straight up trade for my limited 17 sti wingless with 43k miles for a new gr Corolla cause I know they r going to make this gr 50 to 60 mark up
No, the car will not survive a to the 1st checkpoint of the rally stage or 5 laps on a standard road circuit like Watkins Glen, Road America, Willow springs or Laguna Seca. The issue is cooling the rear clutch pack an oil cooling
Toyota is always under performing, but simply seeing how the wheels are positioned so closely to the corners of the vehicle, Toyota fans can hold out hope.
Stop thinking this is a car for Subaru per purist there’s Toyota purist that have been dying for something like this this has nothing to do with Subaru. This is the win for Toyota enthusiast
This car is prof that Subaru hates their customers who love manual transmissions. My 2023 Crosstrek (manual) has very little safety tech which is only for autos. Toyota it is for my next car.
In reality the new STI was to be launched somewhere in 2024 ,and since Subaru invest millions on the development of the STI only to he sold for a couple of years (Because products coming from japan are delaying and back ordered , so theres not a lot of inventory on cars / parts/ accessories ect ) Toyota (who owns 40% of Fuji Heavy Industries) aproached Subaru and suggested not to launch the STI ,because it would affect how the New GR Corolla sell in America, and Subaru decided it was a best decision from an economic point of view. Subaru will bring back the STI perhaps as a Hybrid or as an electric vehicle following the steps of other manufacturers like Audi with the E-TRON , Porsche with the TAYCAN , and Ford with the MUSTANG MACH-E. WHY YOU ASK? By 2030 the auto industry has to change to electric vehicle or hybrids , the internal combustion engine its on its last years of production. So Subaru decided not to invest millions on a single vehicle only to be replaced in a few years. I know this because i work as Service Advisor at a Subaru dealership, and when we asked why the new STI keeps being delayed ,this was the explanation given. Now Subaru still makes all the STI accessories to turn your 2022 WRX into a STI , STI Brakes, STI wings, STI spoilers, STI strut bars, STI shock absorbers, STI grill , STI exhaust, STI interior . So the STI was put on hold so the GR Corolla could get some sales , after all its just a limited production vehicle. It wont be around for long.
This is contradictory, yes, subaru canned the STI for economic reasons, but with the GR corolla's limited production and largely meeting most of the hype, there would have been absolutely no struggle selling GR Corollas with or without the existence of the STI. If anything the GR would eat away at the sales of the STI which subaru most likely considered when deciding if they should keep their low volume, low sale, sporty sedan around. Did toyota play a hand in canning the sti? Maybe, but it wasn't for fear of it ruining the sales of the corolla, that I can assure you.
if you could get one for msrp, they'd be worth it. Since Toyota isn't doing anything to curb the "market adjustments" from the dealers this is going to be a short lived car because the target market can't afford it.
For those who don't know - Toyota owns 20+ % of Subaru stock/company... ...so, GR Corolla and STI do NOT compete - it's just corporate decision what to produce...
In fact, I think it properly killed the STI though. Toyota wanted it to kill itself as they own a fair share of subaru, thus giving place to the GR Corolla and yaris. It would have been a loss of money to have two similar cars on the same segment for a same group.
@@gagd7351 take off your tinfoil hat, Toyota doesn't own enough shares at Subaru to be making decisions about the Subaru models that have nothing to do with Toyota.
The STi was plagued with problems and nobody wanted to deal with that anymore. It's really bad when my dealership doesn't want to take a trade in because it has a cobb accessport and they say it's because the car might blow up.
Take care of it. If mod get pro tune. Dont lug the engine boost at low rpm. No reliability issue. Ej257 also in Japanese sti A-line mode, get lots of positive feedback.
@@hhhydeee Protune doesn't eliminate the ring land failure. A reliable engine doesn't need as much babying to run good like an Ej257 motor. Subaru motors blow up in stock form. Also the A-Line is no where near as comparable to a GR Corolla.
@@hellfire72 nah, gr corolla over priced af+markup later on. Lastly and most importantly, if you wanna your performance car last, you have to taking care of it and baby it. Baby it doesn’t mean you don’t drive it hard and having fun with it tho. Why Subaru engine blown at stock form? People don’t know how to drive ej. Building boost at low rpm lug the hell out of it. Increasing the internal temp and launch it hard often. Stock is nothing wrong. If you mod it cooling and protune is the most important thing. Ej is been out for almost half century, reliability mods plan all over . 257 is good, jdm 207 is unbeatable.
Gr corolla in America definitely over priced. I prefer gr yaris. Smaller, cheaper, and base mode come with more standard feature, like carbon roof and LSD then cost even lower than core GR corolla. I got my sti new last year for 40k drive out with extended warranty.
If a new STI came out with one less cylinder and 10 fewer horsepower it would be endlessly mocked and made fun of and no one would buy it. This car has absolutely nothing to do with the STI existing.
@@MillerSubaru1 yeah knew there was a holding percentage but not enough in my mind (or Subaru’s board I’d imagine) to call them within the Toyota group. 20% is pretty significant though, didn’t realize it was that much.
Dude please secure your gear in the car your viewing. you always have loose gear rolling around in the vehicle, makes it sound like the the car is junk or coming apart. I like your videos but thats gotta stop. PLEASE.
Im gonna say what no one else wants to say: The STI killed itself. It was like putting Moviestop against Netflix. This GR Corolla is what Subaru WRX and STI enthusiasts deserve, without all the reliability issues. Great review Ryan!
Well said, curious if you can get that 3 cylinder to 500hp
@@Unxpekted this gr 1.6T 3 cyl already push to 500whp in EU in GR yaris with stock internal. I’m a sti owner but I’m not fan of gr Corolla. I prefer gr yaris, smaller, cheaper, and base mode come with more standard feature. Gr corolla is over priced imo
@@hhhydeee 500 hp in an AWD light weight car, wow!
@@Unxpekted and Toyota mod this engine for hydrogen combustion powered engine already. Put 300+hp too. However, I’ll still stay with my sti.
Owned a '02 WRX hatch for 17 years, 208K miles. No big issues until the 10th year, then started having some repairs, nothing major. That said it was maintained, journal of every oil change/lightbulb. Some spirited driving but never hammered or tuned within an inch of the engine's life. Buying a used WRX/STI can be risky.
It would be a kick in the pants to drive, but at my age it’s too hard to get in and out of.
Great review Ryan
The price point was mentioned here as reasonable, $42-43k for the Circuit and $49-51k for the Morizo. But, one thing is not mentioned that I found out from finally talking to an honest dealer is the final price. Since this is a premium vehicle and there will be a limited number built paired with high demand, expect the dealer to add $10-20k to the final price. They are currently doing this with the top trim level Tundra. At this high price range I was starting to see low mileage RS7's show up in my regional car searches just for comparison.
I like it but I'd rather buy a Fiesta ST for the money. I will only buy this if I get a raise.
I happy this GR-Four is here. I would like to see the Celica GT-4/AllTrac make a return as well!
YES!!!!! Have been waiting for this from none other than, Ryan Douthit!!! As a current 2020 STI owner... I have been itching for this review...
Glad we get this (especially the Morizo edition). Will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the competition. Shame STI and RS offerings are no longer around to bolster the segment, maybe this will reinvigorate it to a degree.
The actual segment is becoming the problem. Rare, limited edition high performance versions of economy cars that were supposed to be affordable that turn into the complete opposite shouldn’t be a thing. And btw WE aren’t getting the Morizo edition, rich losers on Bring a Trailer that have $100k to spend on a Corolla get it.
@@axe2grind244 yeah, wannabes cry about it but don't buy them enough in numbers to keep production going.
@@cloudsmith7803 no. New regulations in some states killed the sti, nothing else.
16 year old boys all the way up to 23 year old boys are begging their parents to buy this for them. Toyota nailed it for building a car for this specific teen-early adult demographic. But as someone who’s worked in the schools as a shop teacher, teens also crave V8 muscle. Watching their eyes light up when they hear a V8 fire up is priceless.
I’m in my 40s I might buy this as my daily
@@apt62 I'm 72, not old compared to a Redwood. Looking at the GR to replace my aging WRX hatch.
Late 40's close to 50 and drives an EVO X //MR 2014 and the CIVIC //TR 2021
About a few months ago, I saw this one old white dude probably around 70's driving a clean 1980's Datsun, I can tell the guy was having fun shifting and enjoying his car! I wanna be one of the oldest guy driving the so-called Boy Racer Car! Yup, age don't matter when you know what cars are badass! 👊
@@lbcitylacounty4982 you’re so right. I taught mechanics to group of high school kids about 15 years ago. When we first fired up a donated 454 after weeks of work the smile on their faces was priceless. Like you said they know about bad ass cars because of the excitement about pure muscle and racing.
Ryan, This is the consolation prize for markets unfit, undeserving and unworthy of the GR Yaris. Still, it is one of the shiniest silver medals ever issued. It may not be the 'Apex' 0:52 of Corollas but it is certainly the pinnacle. 😉
Let’s wait to see a comparison coz something tells me the Yaris just became the shiny silver, despite being lighter.
@@carloscanizares4699 what exactly do you mean?
@@yaboiyosef7640 personally, the Corolla is a better package than the Yaris, despite being heavier. If they fixed the GR4 overheating issues, the Yaris is the consolation prize for the ROW markets.
That's so cool! Two of my favorite channels tested this same car, just like with the Lexus RX 500h F Sport!
In your words “Toyota is turning the upside down!” Why can’t Subaru turn the world upside down with a MANUAL Crosstrek (turbo) version of this vehicle!? Don’t they realize the sales and buzz this would generate?
Toyota owns large portion of Subaru. So they can’t compete like that I guess
Subaru is getting away from enthusiasts, whether they realize it or not. They are going more for the off-road crowd with all the plastic cladding and such. This is coming from a Subaru advisor. They need to do both well, or if they can’t decide to just do the adventure route, which they do well. They could make small improvements to make them unstoppable
@@BowmanOverland doesn’t the latest sti cost nearly $50k or something absurd? Tough sell even before gr Corolla!
@@jonasbaine3538 I got for 40k tho, last year May no mark up and with 1k off
I've been saying for years a Turbo'd crosstrek would be essentially the first stock wannabe rally car and I think it would fly off the lot... I love my lil 2013 crosstrek but it's painfully slow. I don't even need STI or even WRX level speed just get me a stick and a bit over 200hp and I'm happy AF and I think a ton of others would be too
I can’t wait to see the CZcams videos that compare the Toyota GR Corolla, Honda Civic Type R, old Subaru WRX STi, Hyundai Elantra N, and Mazda3 Turbo AWD Hatch both as family cars and fun back road weekend cars
Check out Throttle House...their review compares the Circuit Edition to a Golf R and a WRX.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Lol I posted this comment right as the embargo broke because Driving Sports TV was hours ahead of every other channel to share the GR Corolla.
@@SilverScarletSpider Totally, lots of GR content all over CZcams now. Good times!
I'm so excited! I want one so bad! Sadly, the dealerships pricing on this will suck...
Got one for MSRP last week.
@@FayeBelogus Nice. Congrats! Only took a year later for some dealers to realize they ain't selling this for over MSRP.
I really like this car but getting this car would be a nightmare with all the dealer markups.. I am hoping Subaru would resurrect the STI to make this segment competitive .
I dont think so. I live in dallas and I know 3 dealers so far who are selling all of their line up at MSRP. Unlike Nissan lol
@@goodboi1232 Which dealers in dallas is selling this GR for msrp?
I confirmed with local dealership that the GR Circuit will have $25k market adjustment over MSRP.
@@CTF33 What a joke. 60k for a corolla. The market adjustment is worth more than my car is worth when I bought it brand new!
@@jamfoxs With taxes the GR Circuit edition will be over $70k.
Definitely, best of the group !
People drives sporty cars still prefer this one over Supra ..
I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’ll be a hit with teenage boys. 20 and up will always prefer the Supra.
Both comments have big assumptions.
@@ALMX5DP Right, $45K for teenage boys.
@@TinLeadHammer I think you meant to reply to the other comment.
Looks like finding one of these things will be similar to finding a unicorn.
Good luck getting one these, every dealer is marking them up by $15-$25k above msrp and if you weren’t lucky enough to be the first 2-3 people on the list you’re looking at a 2 year wait for a 2023 car.
Great review!! Where did you get that shirt!? It's awesome 😎👍
Thanks! Shirt was from blipshift.
The STI died because Subaru can't get that kind of performance out of a boxer/AWD combo while meeting fuel mileage and emission requirements. If there ever is a new STI (probably a hybrid hothatch) you'll likely be able to get one custom built in 2-4 months instead of waiting 2-4 years for something that might match what you're looking for. Good luck getting Toyota to allow you to buy one of these, especially anywhere near MSRP.
Yeah it’s not the same as an sti, but it’s a hatch so it’s pretty close. The next sti won’t be gas powered as we heard so this is pretty nice
This car is going to be better than an Sti on the track. Toyota really gave the fans what they wanted. Hopefully the following years they will increase the number of units produced.
Toyota plans to increase units so hoorayyy!!
@@beefen7921 I'd wait for the 2024 or 25 model year and hold off til 2030 to buy it
When the current WRX came out. I told my wife I wanted to buy it but after watching several videos it really put me down. Pathetic output (torque and horsepower) . This GR Corolla is an instant winner. No longer do I have faith in Subaru product. People asked me what about reliability? This Corolla would not be less reliable than any Subaru. With a specific output (power and torque per liter of displacement) and torque higher than the Porsche Turbo S, it puts many "exotic' euros to shame.
The more I see about this car the more I'm glad I got a 22 Veloster N DCT before they stopped making them, for MSRP BTW.
Ryan wearing that sick Initial D shirt. He knows what he's doing.
I m pretty happy with my loaded (sport-tech) 2019 STI, now with an extra 60ph thanks to cobb and an adjustable coilover set, thanks to Cygnus performance, and no of the modern distractions like lane assist, adapt cruise ctrl. Looks nine though with a hatch.
Awesome car and I’m glad Toyota is releasing the GR lime, but the engine sounds way overworked and I don’t see it lasting as long due to the turbo and relatively new 3 cylinder engine
Type R seems to have better engine it’s 4 cylinder and not boosted to such high pressure.
I did some research and Australia been tuning the yaris with the same engine reliability up to 500bhp before seeing any symptoms.
Honda has been ruling 4 cylinder for a long long time! Same with 4g63!
Seeing the body roll sway bars would be my first upgrade for the track
Happy to see you review this monster. Not a practical car for me but enjoyable to get your take.
Thank god for this video I’ve been trying to get rid of my chlamydia for months!!! 😂
Love that it looks like a rally car.
LOL I would have liked to have seen you race Tommy/Roman from TFL, but it almost looks like you drove the same car they had. Nonetheless, your take on this was great. I wish they had this back in the mid to late 80's. I liked my Accord Hatchback a lot, but this would have def. taken things to the next level.
Lol, that would have been fun. They were on the wave prior to ours. Toyota did only have two Circuit samples, so it probably was the same one.
Ryan, STi-killers are in the boardrooms/upper management of Toyota and Subaru...however, this GR Corolla is a STi beater...
I've had a WRX in my driveway since '02. Looking to replace my aging hatch with the STI. The new WRX looks like Subaru found a discount coupon for plastic cladding. After keeping my '02 for 17 years I bought it's '05 twin to tide me over for the new model. Oh well, GR is looking like a viable replacement
The updated WRX is not a slouchy car though. It's very competent and most reviews agree that it's an improvement on the platform. Having driven one, I have to say that I enjoyed it a lot. Initially the design didn't thrill me either but it grew on me a lot after seeing it in person. Plus you can make it look a lot more aggressive with some simple additions like a rear spoiler.
I also understand why Subaru did it. They're trying to tie their model lines closer together with the cladding and (at least this is what I think) make it feel more like the rally-capable WRX models of the past before they go electric.
The new WRX is the best looking one since the GM8, imo. Looking forward to seeing what they look like with a 2" lift and some A/T tires on gold rims like a proper Subie.
@@jasonmoyer Agreed!
The plastic has its purpose less drag , that desing cannot be duplicated in metal.
@@luisrios432 I'm very sure that's just marketing though. I'd like to see a source outside of Subaru provide numbers on the drag reduction
Toyota wins. But what I don't get, instead of building hardly any with MASSIVE dealer markups...
Why doesn't Toyota build a bunch of these to be meet the demand?
Of the 5 people I know that bought cars like this (Honda Civic Type R to be specific), not a single one uses it on a track. I am extremely grateful that car companies still make exciting vehicles, but let's not pretend that anyone who makes enough money to buy one has the 16 year old brain of someone who would use it as intended.
Im taking mine to the hpde toyota offers. 😊
My only complaint is dealer markups. If you know of any dealers that will be msrp please leave a comment
Depends on where you live. Around me in SF bay area there are 2 dealers that do MSRP, with 8 that don't. Problem is wait lists were 30+ a day after it was announced months ago. I've been #1 for a new camry hybrid for the last 3 months. Stock is not there.
I love that you review such a wide range of vehicles! Where else can I see reviews on Hot Hatches, Pickups, and SUVs?! Thanks.
Did this Kill the STI? Nope.
Ya' can't kill something that's already dead.
I've been bugging two local Toyota dealerships for the last couple months to let me pre-order order one, to no avail (maybe because I've said that I won't pay over MSRP. Hmmm ;).
Love the review, though!
Yeah, and this already over priced
How much did they save on the car by removing one cylinder and cutting the back? Maybe a couple of grands? This car could have been a lot better and a lot more useful and practical if they had kept the 4 cylinders and made it a little longer and boxier in the back.
I have realized why it has only 3 cylinders and a short body - because it is based on the Yaris, not the Corolla. And this GR Corolla is actually a re-badged GR Yaris.
Between Toyota giving us the STI like hot hatch that everyone's clamored for for years and Subaru dropping the ball on the new WRX (and killing the STI), I've lost faith in Subaru when it comes to performance. I loved my STI when I had it but I'm greatly considering the GR.
Subaru makes the Toyora GR86.
I just wish the back window wasn’t so slanted down.The trunk would have much more space if it was more like the golf.
Seems like this is marketed towards those who are looking for a WRX upgrade/STi replacement and not those who already have an STi. I'm curious to know if those who already own an STi would trade their cars in for the GR Corolla?
I traded my 19 STI for a GT3 lol but I'm gonna trade my Type R for one of these assuming I get an allocation. I'm #5 on the list at my dealer
I just reached out to a local Toyota dealer to see about when and if I can order this. If they can get it and not charge markup, I’ll trade my 2021 STI in for it..
@@OfficalDogeTactical I put a deposit on one earlier this year on the day they revealed it. I'm #9 on the list with no updates. It might take you a while..
@@mg-by7uu where did you get an allocation for a GT3 from?
I’m on an allocation list for the 2023 Supra manual. I’d like it in the blue but maybe willing to get it in any color except yellow.
whew ! they should have used paddle shifters than golden stick shifter
I feel like in this economy they should start direct from manufacturer pricing. Skip the dealer all together. It's a crime that they can mark up vehicles so much higher than msrp.
My STI still running and when the engine goes I’ll just slap in a new one. I’ll never get rid of this car.
I want it, ordered one, but will have a very hard time selling my STI...
For the extra 8-10k ill save on a WRX. I’ll stick with my WRX and blow the doors off this with performance and handling upgrades.
STI killer?? Subaru did that already, themselves!
Its funny how Toyota and Subaru made the 86 and now Toyota is practically destroying Subaru's best sports car...
Performance wise, would You say that it is similar to a 2022 WRX?
The Circuit edition certainly is. But the feel of the small 3-banger versus the Subarus boxer is very different.
That price is outrageous. for that price I brought a low mileage boxsters S
For me, they missed the mark. On calling this, The new Celica AllTrac Turbo. Man, I miss my ST-185.
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Definitely better than the Subaru STi. Not a bad compliment coming from a Subaru enthusiast.
I doubt it. Good luck for trying to get this car.
Ouch that price tag with that 0-60
A Corolla model with look and performance, the WRX has to watch out
I want a core edition with performance package and the "winter" pack. Time will tell if I'll ever be able to get one...
Toyota just made the game interesting. Finally, AWDs hot hatches are back, baby. VW ain't alone in North America anymore.
Don't forget about the Dealership Markup.
Apparently you can't get a GR Corolla unless you are on a list, and you will still pay an ungodly sum for it, and they are producing in very limited supply, so WRX would be something you could actually purchase, so doesn't make sense to discontinue it?
Performance versions of models are getting more and more unprofitable for car manufacturers. We're going to see a lot more of them being discontinued in the future.
easy 20k dealer markup esp in this crazy market
I’m and evo and sti guy I’ve had 2 evos and I have an sti now the only way I would get this car and I do like it would be a straight up trade for my limited 17 sti wingless with 43k miles for a new gr Corolla cause I know they r going to make this gr 50 to 60 mark up
I see in few weeks or months the 500hp bolt on Corolla's in USA...this 3 Cylinder Engine is incredible
Glad I was able to put my deposit down to secure the Circuit edition. 2023 can’t come fast enough!
Better hope there any managers that want one😬 that’s why I’m not waiting for the ce
44k USD for that?? lol.... I'll wait for the electric STI.
Yep, it's a sti killer with that msrp. Super high
Once the real price is set for the top of the line unit you can buy an Audi RS3 late model in the 55k range. Yeah, I'd much prefer that car!
the gr corolla in my opinion is like the perfect rally and circuit car. Does both excellently
No, the car will not survive a to the 1st checkpoint of the rally stage or 5 laps on a standard road circuit like Watkins Glen, Road America, Willow springs or Laguna Seca. The issue is cooling the rear clutch pack an oil cooling
Can you do a offload test on mercedes benz E220 All Terrain?
Thanks for the review Ryan. Any turbo lag?
There’s a bit but as long as you’re over 4000RPM the power feels basically immediate.
The Circuit Edition is the heaviest trim. The Morizo Edition is Lighter than the Core Model by only 76 lbs...
Toyota is always under performing, but simply seeing how the wheels are positioned so closely to the corners of the vehicle, Toyota fans can hold out hope.
This will still be on the road in 15 years while everything else will be in a garage or scrap yard.
What? The RAV4 Prime does 0-60 in 5 seconds and has 600 miles of range.
i want this car bro.
Stop thinking this is a car for Subaru per purist there’s Toyota purist that have been dying for something like this this has nothing to do with Subaru. This is the win for Toyota enthusiast
its good but how much can you mod the engine small as it is before ..It Blows!!!
For my heart, review a razvani tank car's this time pleaes 😌
why do interior designers always put the cupholders right where my arm goes when shifting?
When you were sitting in the backseat, was the driver seat adjusted to be where it would be if you were the driver?
Yes, it was in the driver position.
I feel personally attacked everytime you rub it in that you're legs-torso-proportionate.
Let's hope the entire underneath doesn't rust away like my new Matrix did. 💀💀💀💀
Toyota Performance and Racing heritage is back. Also there were many performance Corollas before the Apex model
Nobody remembers the 05-06 Corolla XRS with the Lotus Elise engine
@@djsnoopmike I remember it and that’s actually the last performance Corolla we got in America
For people who don't know cars, no this cars does not cure chlamydia
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High mark up nice reveiw
This car is prof that Subaru hates their customers who love manual transmissions. My 2023 Crosstrek (manual) has very little safety tech which is only for autos. Toyota it is for my next car.
In reality the new STI was to be launched somewhere in 2024 ,and since Subaru invest millions on the development of the STI only to he sold for a couple of years (Because products coming from japan are delaying and back ordered , so theres not a lot of inventory on cars / parts/ accessories ect ) Toyota (who owns 40% of Fuji Heavy Industries) aproached Subaru and suggested not to launch the STI ,because it would affect how the New GR Corolla sell in America, and Subaru decided it was a best decision from an economic point of view. Subaru will bring back the STI perhaps as a Hybrid or as an electric vehicle following the steps of other manufacturers like Audi with the E-TRON , Porsche with the TAYCAN , and Ford with the MUSTANG MACH-E. WHY YOU ASK? By 2030 the auto industry has to change to electric vehicle or hybrids , the internal combustion engine its on its last years of production. So Subaru decided not to invest millions on a single vehicle only to be replaced in a few years. I know this because i work as Service Advisor at a Subaru dealership, and when we asked why the new STI keeps being delayed ,this was the explanation given. Now Subaru still makes all the STI accessories to turn your 2022 WRX into a STI , STI Brakes, STI wings, STI spoilers, STI strut bars, STI shock absorbers, STI grill , STI exhaust, STI interior . So the STI was put on hold so the GR Corolla could get some sales , after all its just a limited production vehicle. It wont be around for long.
This is contradictory, yes, subaru canned the STI for economic reasons, but with the GR corolla's limited production and largely meeting most of the hype, there would have been absolutely no struggle selling GR Corollas with or without the existence of the STI. If anything the GR would eat away at the sales of the STI which subaru most likely considered when deciding if they should keep their low volume, low sale, sporty sedan around. Did toyota play a hand in canning the sti? Maybe, but it wasn't for fear of it ruining the sales of the corolla, that I can assure you.
@@isaacjones2328 , actually it does because why would anyone buy a GR Corolla for $45K-$50k , when the STI is available for less than $40K
16:49 that smile
if you could get one for msrp, they'd be worth it. Since Toyota isn't doing anything to curb the "market adjustments" from the dealers this is going to be a short lived car because the target market can't afford it.
It never killed the STI , it is the STI. Rebranded of course
For those who don't know - Toyota owns 20+ % of Subaru stock/company...
...so, GR Corolla and STI do NOT compete - it's just corporate decision what to produce...
I wonder what is the point of making a high pressure 300hp 1.6L instead of 2L, 2.4L, 2.5L like others?? Only thing i see is weight.
The STI killed itself, then the GR Corolla came and buried the STI's dead body.
In fact, I think it properly killed the STI though. Toyota wanted it to kill itself as they own a fair share of subaru, thus giving place to the GR Corolla and yaris. It would have been a loss of money to have two similar cars on the same segment for a same group.
@@gagd7351 take off your tinfoil hat, Toyota doesn't own enough shares at Subaru to be making decisions about the Subaru models that have nothing to do with Toyota.
The STi was plagued with problems and nobody wanted to deal with that anymore. It's really bad when my dealership doesn't want to take a trade in because it has a cobb accessport and they say it's because the car might blow up.
Take care of it. If mod get pro tune. Dont lug the engine boost at low rpm. No reliability issue. Ej257 also in Japanese sti A-line mode, get lots of positive feedback.
@@hhhydeee Protune doesn't eliminate the ring land failure. A reliable engine doesn't need as much babying to run good like an Ej257 motor. Subaru motors blow up in stock form. Also the A-Line is no where near as comparable to a GR Corolla.
@@hellfire72 nah, gr corolla over priced af+markup later on. Lastly and most importantly, if you wanna your performance car last, you have to taking care of it and baby it. Baby it doesn’t mean you don’t drive it hard and having fun with it tho. Why Subaru engine blown at stock form? People don’t know how to drive ej. Building boost at low rpm lug the hell out of it. Increasing the internal temp and launch it hard often. Stock is nothing wrong. If you mod it cooling and protune is the most important thing. Ej is been out for almost half century, reliability mods plan all over . 257 is good, jdm 207 is unbeatable.
@@hhhydeee You also forget the people doing shitty high G donuts to those cars in stock form. pretty painful to watch.
Any car with drivetrain performance mods will be looked at like that, it happened back in the 80's and 90's with modded 5.0's and camaros.
Gr corolla in America definitely over priced. I prefer gr yaris. Smaller, cheaper, and base mode come with more standard feature, like carbon roof and LSD then cost even lower than core GR corolla. I got my sti new last year for 40k drive out with extended warranty.
It literally is THE STi killer, Toyota discontinued the STi just so buyers could potentially migrate to the GR Corolla
If a new STI came out with one less cylinder and 10 fewer horsepower it would be endlessly mocked and made fun of and no one would buy it. This car has absolutely nothing to do with the STI existing.
@@Mquin02 I have no idea what you're getting at
I´m 100% sure this car it´s the motive that they killed STI. Toyota didn´t want an adversary inside their own group. Shame for Subaru!
Adversary inside their own group?
@@ALMX5DP Toyota owns a 20% stake in Subaru, so they hold a significant stake in Subaru (not fully owned subsidiary though).
@@MillerSubaru1 yeah knew there was a holding percentage but not enough in my mind (or Subaru’s board I’d imagine) to call them within the Toyota group. 20% is pretty significant though, didn’t realize it was that much.
Prices will be super high what with the normal dealer gouging.
Dude please secure your gear in the car your viewing. you always have loose gear rolling around in the vehicle, makes it sound like the the car is junk or coming apart. I like your videos but thats gotta stop. PLEASE.
Front facia has Mitsu EVO blueprint
"set my internal temperature"
As opposed to what?
"It's a little chilly today, can you set my external temperature to 85"?
It doesn't have a physical key?