Is It TOO LATE To Buy Shohei Ohtani Rookie Cards?
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Shohei Ohtani is the biggest star in Major League Baseball. Hs is arguably the most unique and valuable baseball player of all time and has baseball card collectors chasing his cards. One issue however is that his cards are very expensive. In this video the Spitballin' team discusses if Ohtani's cards are already too expensive and much more.
I'm a collector, but I don't care about 99% of the expensive cards out there because 1) i can't afford them & 2) the only expensive card I splurged on sits in a box just to keep it safe. Not much fun.
Chris here - you bring up one thing here i constantly wrestle with. My best cards are locked away in a bank box. I rarely see them. It’s so sad! I miss them and I look at pictures of them on my phone and I feel like a crazy person haha.
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@SpitballinCards wow that sounds rough 😆 thanks for responding 👍 😀
@@SpitballinCardsI am in the same boat, worst part is we have to worry about the banks going belly up also in these tough times in the banking industry.
@@davidthecardcollector unless they’re too big to fail of course…
Dodgers market is way bigger than the angels, regardless of team success. add in the potential for post season appearances, his value will definitely make another climb, even in '24 when hes not pitching. Now imagine hes on the mound for LA in a world series, on national television, BACK TO THE MOON.
Hard to argue with any of this! Should be fun to watch. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is the best “baseball prospect guys who have studied” and know cards show going. Please keep this up, it is special
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Love your guys show! Still amazed people in the hobby doubt Ohtani. He has proven time and time again he is not a normal human. Imo he's already a hof'er just because no one has ever done what he's been able to do, and that's even if he never pitches again. Just my opinion. Great show guys I look forward to each episode.
Thanks for watching! I was a late-believer in Ohtani, I was skeptical when he first came over and then when he got hurt. But I soon bought into the hype! Where else can his cards go from here? Who knows! 🤷🏻♂️
@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin well I hope they keep going up. I have all of his paper sp, ssp, and ultra ssp's from every topps flagship product from his rookie year until now.
@@mangobango6970 Chris here - that sounds fantastic! Congrats on your collection. I love a good ssp.
Always love the discussion from you all. Learn a lot every episode. thanks for sharing.
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Great topic.
Chris here - I can talk
Ohtani and his cards for days!! Love the topic.
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I think Ohtani still has room to grow value-wise. He's already accomplished something only Babe Ruth has ever done. If he racks up something like 55 HR's this season and then comes back with 50+ again in 2025 along with a "solid" pitching year ... then I see Michael Jordan type love in the hobby. If by chance he gets a World Series Ring? Fugetaboutit' ... to the moon! I will still be looking to buy some non-auto early year low pop refractors which are still affordable. The auto stuff is likely forever out of my price range.
Phil made a great point halfway through. It’s almost like supply counts twice. Even with fixed demand, less supply means a higher price. But these days low supply is actually DRIVING MORE demand, when they should be separate variables. I think supply should matter, but I think the trend of supply CAUSING more demand is temporary and actually leaves an open opportunity for growth in medium pop base cards when you can see a clear hierarchy.
Very interesting thoughts!
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Good stuff
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Thank s for sharing
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He’s already had a 2nd surgery he pitches again would be an ill advised move by the Dodgers but that’s just imo I dumped my Ohtani cards
Thanks for watching Alan!
Chris here - we’ll definitely see him back on the mound. Only question is for how long.
I hate to hear the verb “dumped!” Id rather hear you cashed out!
@@SpitballinCards how would you feel about “dropped like a hot potato” 😂 Chris
@@AlanForest 😂😂😂
Not better!!!
Great recommendation on the early 2000’s pickups! I just grabbed up a few Joe Mauer and Ryan Howard refractors. I wasn’t collecting during the time period, so I’m not as familiar with the sets. What a great way to get into them without breaking the bank.
Right on! Thanks for watching!
Chris here - exactly! We can’t all go chasing a jackson Holliday cards! (Please don’t)
I love the sound of your pick ups!
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Oh oh oh Ohtani......auto cards!
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And now that’s in my head for the rest of the night!!
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Great video, love listening to you guys. I get so tired of the influencers and just enjoy good honest collector conversations
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What?... These are influencers... The title of the video..Is trying to "influence"
Your perception of Value towards Shohei Ohtani baseball cards..
@@williewoodall8305 These guys are genuine, providing their honest opinions from my perspective. That’s a refreshing differentiator compared to most CZcams hobby content I’ve seen. If you disagree, I can live with that.
I think the only thing short of Ohtani hitting a horribly low BA (like .180 low), the only thing that will affect the value of his cards are market level events. I'm talking about another recession or crazy market boom like we saw in 2020.
Do you think his first postseason exposure will give him a bump?
@@SpitballinCardsit’s going to completely depend on if he does something to make an impact and they actually win in the post season imo. If he looks bad in the post season and they win I don’t think it’ll do much same if he looks good in the post but the team can’t win.
He’s the best player ever. Period. What’s that worth? Does he need to have the best career? Not for me. He’s also a world wide star and just moved to a big market team.
Agreed that his global appeal and the move to the bright lights of Dodgerland will only increase the appetite for his cards.
Another great topic! I’ve been eyeing a Shohei auto for months but can’t justify spending a grand on one card. Hoping that when more cards come out with new releases that the prices will go down but I’m really tempted to just pull the trigger and eat ramen for a month. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for watching and for the comment! Good luck on your Ohtani search!
Chris here - I’ll tell you that jeff and I bought 2 Ohtani autos and I haven’t regretted it!!
He’s the best player we’ve ever seen.
That said, be very picky. NO STICKERS!
@@SpitballinCardsgreat point about the sticker auto! I was just looking at any in a decent price range but I would be willing to spend a bit more on an on card. Since this card would be going into the PC having a card I like is better than just getting one.
@@TRC643 absolutely 💯💯💯
It’s YOUR pc. Nobody else’s.
Good luck!
Essentially, the Dodgers paid Ohtani like he was 2 superstars. The problem with that is say he has a leg injury then they just lost the equivalent of 2 players.
Excellent point. But, with the economics of baseball being as ridiculous as they are, it doesn't matter. They would just sign someone else.
For once I'm on Team TeaPot on this one. Is Ohtani a unicorn? HOFer? yes! Key is though, *at these prices* to me he's priced to be a perennial MVP contender and elite pitcher. To buy right now, with his pitching career on pause... I'd have to expect him to win MVP this year. The risk/reward isn't good. If he struggles this year, and he very well could coming back so soon...then I will revisit his cards.
Chris here - if he’s back to pitching in 2025, the ramp up in spring training could send his cards up like crazy.
I keep hoping it see some deals with him just being a dh this season, but like you said. So much is priced into his values right now. It’s tough.
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To me the time has passed to buy. Injury risk is higher with him than most. Even as a Dodger fan I'm very concerned. I have plenty of wax from 18 baseball at least. Only decent card of him I own is a SSP Hidden Gems I pulled out of a 23 Chrome blaster.
There certainly is risk - especially at these prices. Love the 2018 sealed wax! Thanks for watching!
Chris here - I think every player has some level of risk. No sure things in baseball.
I love the sealed ‘18 wax idea.
One reason I’d love to see fanatics get rid of redemptions is so opening up older wax won’t ever be extra heart breaking!
@@SpitballinCards I bought the wax to sell or trade down the line at some point. Redemptions should be eliminated I agree. Most of my wax is retail though so chance of redemptions are slim.
Philmington I love the 89 donruss set, love those colors
It’s a perfect junk wax product and the Tom Gordon feels like the one of the most printed baseball cards of all time!!
Another thing people don't take into consideration with Ohtani is the fact he is a right hand pitcher and a left hand hitter. It's not a coincidence that he struggled in batting the season after Tommy John. It goes back to the mechanics of hitting, being a left hand hitter he is going to get a majority of his power from that right arm because that left arm basically just follows thru with what the right arm is doing. Another example of this was Bryce Harper last season when he struggled to find his power. He may not have any pain with most things but that arm is not strong inside and with the vibration of hitting a pitch at MLB speed is not enough to affect it mid swing surely reaching out or just swinging oddly will be painful.
That’s a really good point. Ohtani will need time to build up the strength in his right arm.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the insightful comment!
I pick up all ohtani.....you can pick up good rookie PSA 9's for alot less than a 10. I will buy raw damaged ones as well, as long as its a card i dont already own and has great eye appeal.
Chris here - good call. Ohtani prices have gotten nuts and a great looking PSA 9 feels like a fantastic opportunity.
9s are fine!
The question is how long can he still pitch. Another arm issue, he is done as a pitcher and LA will be paying a hefty price for a DH, no matter who the player is.
Very true. $70mil/year - even if a lot is deferred - is a TON of money.
I hope Ohtani is back on the mound in 2025. Even as a Braves fan…
@@SpitballinCards He is a great ambassador for MLB. Much like Yao Ming was for the NBA back when. But once that 2 way magic is gone, so will be his hobby value.
Agreed that some of the magic and allure will be gone is he doesn't pitch, but I think his global appeal and chance to be a big hitter on a contender will keep him in the hobby good graces at least somewhat.
@@chrisojeda7377 not if he’s hitting 40-50
Him runs every year….
But we shall see
He’ll pitch this year in the playoffs guaranteed!
We need an Ohtani hierarchy project similar to Cajun Cardboard’s MJ hierarchy. Regarding pop counts, if they are too low, it’s hard to find comps and then some potential buyers may be hesitant for fear of overpaying. A large portion of the ~100 pop count for the Acuna sapphire will probably get vacuumed up if he has another MVP-caliber year. I think everyone has said this before, but the market is still in “show me” mode for him. Thanks for the episode!
Thanks for watching, John.
We can definitely do an Ohtani hierarchy type show.
Jeff and I made a video a while back with our ohtani card picks - on Blabbin’ ‘bout ‘slabbin. Maybe they can hold you over until we get something up here in spitballin!
I think the bowman chrome hitting image has set itself at the top of the pack!
@@SpitballinCardsthanks, Chris! I did catch the Blabbin Ohtani video and enjoyed it. Very helpful info.
How about attacking Shohei Ohtani RC options.... ranking them ? What cards do you target in the 1-2k range? 2-3k range .... 3-4k etc... 1 to 2 million range!! Dr. Phil M.D. makin' house calls!
This is a great idea and something we’ve discussed doing Very soon!
I think if Ohtani has a 2022 Judge-caliber year you can still see a bump.
Oh absolutely! I don’t see why he can’t hit 50 homers only focusing on hitting. But obviously, it’s very hard to do.
Chris here - I live Ohtani and I’m done being surprised by anything he accomplishes.
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Definitely!
Just got a gold debut ohtani /2018 psa 9 with 5 other base psa 9 rookies for $350 total still hyped on it
@@vinnycortez nice! 👏👏👏
Imagine if topps had used the debut image on US1!!
Great show, fellas! I, personally, sold all my Ohtani base cards. On another note, what do you guys think of Mother’s Day pinks? They have been around since, I believe, 2013, and look really nice.
Thanks for watching! I think selling your base Ohtani cards was a good call. The Mothers Day /50 cards certainly are rare and many of them look nice, but they just don’t have the cachet or resale value of some other parallels- even with higher print runs like Black/Independence Day. So if you’re buying it for your PC, great! But be cautious if you’re expecting it to rise in value.
I think @blabbin_bout_slabbin said it perfectly on the pinks. Great for your pc and player collectors.
Great job moving your ohtani base. There are mountains of his base rookies out there.
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He had a MLB MegaBox card in 2017, the rest of his MLB Rookie cards are from 2018.
There is a Pink Shohei Ohtani Rookie card in 2013.
It's his 2013 BBM Shohei Ohtani 1st Version SL07 "Pink Wing" Japanese Rookie card. It's Hott also, around 4K for a PSA 10.
This what I went through with Acuna. I wanted to get a low end Acuna to round out all the ssp and rarer 2nd year stuff I bought of his. I went with his Gold Update rookie in a BGS 9.5 over his Psa 10 bat down. I got to thinking are either of them really low end when his psa 10 bat down costs about the same as a raw copy of his White Jersey w/ glove? Is his Gold Update really low end at $600-$800?
Hey man -Chris here. I can’t call a $600 low end. To me, low end is a card if I want it and I see it, I buy it. No wavering. Just snatch it up. And at $600, I’m contemplating. Probably over-contemplating.
Congrats on your gold Acuna. I like the rookie update image.
I’d love to see a pic of your Acuna ssp collection.
Pop control is ridiculous. If it's a 10 grade it a 10 and so on. Great show guys
What do you guys think of the 2017 Ohtani mega box bowman chrome card? The pop is huge in bgs and psa, do you think it can go up anymore? I mean it is his first chrome card but geez there are a ton of them
So many of them. As you mention, it IS his first Bowman, so there will likely always be some demand. We had two and moved them both to put towards rarer Ohtanis. If you want one, definitely go after one of the colors if possible - green/purple.
super curious what yall think about holding sealed wax in the breaker era. it seems like such a higher percentage of boxes being opened compared to even 5 years ago. i have become more patient with my purchases because it seems like more cards are making it to market. i know Phil has a sweet rookie red refractor of my boy mister pete alonso in the case behind him that I'll never get to have, lol. do you think sealed wax is the way to go or has no impact
I’m not sure about sealed wax - especially in this era of expired redemptions- but I love it! Especially from years with big RC classes, like 2018. I stay away from sealed wax from the last couple years, however.
Chris here - it’s very possible that more product is getting ripped today than ever before. However, I think we can also safely say that print runs are higher than ever before as well.
Blabbin’ makes a good point about redemptions as well. Sealed wax where the biggest autos are redemptions has very limited potential. Some 2018 Ohtani rookie autos were redemptions so do your homework before buying. Same with Gunnar in 2023 and Bichette/Yordan in 2020.
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Sorry to say he’s probably never going to be the Pitcher he was, He’s been pitching since high school. Scottie, Nice Dog
Question to clarify, are you referring to Ohtani Rookie cards or just his cards in general?
IMO there's a great opportunity to grade and sell Ohtani NON rookie refractors to Ohtani collectors and use that money to buy a few good rookie cards. My next question, what is your recommended Ohani Rookies? 2017 Bowman Prospect rank? What's the best Rookie Auto for the value? (Donruss?)
We were referring to Ohtani cards in general.
Chris here - interesting idea you have, but in general as you get further from his rookie year, Ohtani cards will get more an more limited on upside.
Jeff and I made a video on our Blabbin’ ‘Bout Slabbin’ channel in which we break down what we think ohtanis best rookies are.
It seems like the hobby has made his bowman chrome hitting image is the choice for top base card rookie.
Refractors are beautiful.
I cannot recommend strongly enough that you avoid the non licensed MLB cards if you’re looking for value.
If Ohtani dont crush it with the bat this year and Dodgers choke as normal we might see his market tank. They are very expensive and there is no shortage of his cards.
You’re not wrong
I have a feeling he will ball out, being able to just focus on batting. But man, if he struggles, you are definitely right about his cards hitting a wall.
Ohtani will always have a large Japanese/Asian collector base. So, he will always have more demand comparing to American or LATAM players.
What do you think about his Japanese RC cards?
Ohtani 's hitting will be "off the chart"📈..! Because.. He's not in the rotation.. Also..with him being polarized in Hollywood.is going to bring even more exposure... His popularity is only going up..Also with the influx of NPB to the MLB..He is going to be "lumped in" with the hype, expectations and success of his "brotheten" ..coming from the east..
To "hammer" home my point .The biggest of the aforementioned signing's that was considered a "sweepstakes".. (Y'all must've forgot.).
.Will be his Teamate!
A smoother transition.
A sense of familiarity..
And an instant "comradary".
Only good things can come of this!
And to all those" worried " collectors ..
I'll take.. buy..or trade for all the Ohtani cards you got..!
Picked up a psa 10 of the Topps #700 and the Bowman #49 since I can't afford the other stuff. 100$ this offseason felt like a good time to buy them but I have no idea what I'm doing
A players first topps rookie card in a psa 10 will always hold some value. Just keep an eye on the PSA pop report on their website.
Supply will probably outpace demand at some point.
But it’s always good to have a rookie card of the best player in baseball!
@@SpitballinCards Thank you! So it's usually worth grabbing a refactor/numbered/parallel over the Bowman 1st or base rookie? The modern stuff is a challenge. I need to stick to collecting Ripken/Griffey/Thomas/Sandberg/Gwynn
My Ohtani cards are worth half a million now. Bowman chrome, topps chrome red, superfractors. His cards will always get expensive. I been telling Scottie b for years to buy Ohtani and he missed out. Great videos though!
Chris here - congrats on your ohtani stash!
Do you think it’s too late for Scott to jump into the Ohtani market???
@@SpitballinCards it is tough to say. I agree with all of you he is mostly performance based. He is a historic figure in the sport and a legend. He needs to continue winning world championships, and if he can repeat 2-3 years of his mvp years he is the goat. Then his cards will be significantly higher. Even if he stopped playing at the level his floor will always be high as he already has done so much and proven what is impossible possible.
@@fated316 I pretty much agree whole heatedly. 🍻🍻
How does Nolan Arenado come into play on every single one of Scott’s commentaries? Nolan Arenado, Paul Goldschmidt, Jose Ramirez. The Holy Trinity of the Scotty B bible. ❤
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What will happen if he passes the Aaron Judge HR record?
The hobby might actually implode!
If you keep it raw...You can just take that "POP".. outta the equation...
YUP
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what if ohtani was never a pitcher. Would his card value suffer ?
how has that changed now after all the gambling news?
Chris here - prices have dipped for sure. Buying opportunity?
80 home runs and LA millionaires will open the checkbook for their kids
Without a doubt! Haha I’d like to think an 80 homer season will make anybody’s cards skyrocket.
lol… 🧾
Not one of you guys think that Ohtani's stock or card value is im "peril"... The thing in question is why are you saying this..All baseball cards are going to rise..spike..or at least recieve a healthy bump...(with the exception Wander)..Football is over..and the NBA has been going on..!
If you guys aren't " blowin smoke"..and really think there's a "Big Drop"! Ahead.
I am petty sure I just changed y'all's mind.
Hopefully stops pitching and focuses on hitting only to stay healthy...bought alot of rcs in 2019....graded now!
Sounds like you’ve got a great stash!
I want to see him back on the mound too, it’s what made him special. Seems like he can keep hitting through elbow issues.
We just want a few more magical two way seasons!
does anyone think the Dodgers buying up every player actually hurt Ohtani's prices? I don't think anyone playing for the 2024 version of the 27 Yankees will be liked by anyone not a Dodgers fan
Chris here - I’m a Braves fan and it’s frustrating how the economics of baseball are so absurd that one team can outspend entire divisions.
I can’t hate the dodgers though. Freeman, Betts and Ohtani are so likable. I was a fan of each before they ended up in LA and I can’t stop liking them now.
But I certainly understand your point. It’s a reason I can never root for the Yankees.
Maybe for now, I’ll just pour my anger and frustrations entirely on Max Muncy.
Hahahaha poor Max Muncy
@@teddo997 😂😂
Not one of you guys think that Ohtani's stock or card value is im "peril"... The thing in question is why are you saying this..All baseball cards are going to rise..spike..or at least recieve a healthy bump...(with the exception Wander)..Football is over..and the NBA has been going on..!
If you guys aren't " blowin smoke"..and really think there's a "Big Drop"! Ahead.
I pretty sure I just changed y'all's mind.
You don't even know what his cards are worth at the time of this video..
"Is It TOO LATE To Buy Shohei Ohtani Rookie Cards?"
If Ohtani is found guilty of anything related to this scandal, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to afford just about any Ohtani card you dream of having shortly afterwards! 😅
Ohtani basically got paid double the amount of any player in the league !!...It is unjustified !!
Chris here - more unfair than unjustified. Baseball needs a salary cap, a salary floor, and tons more revenue sharing.
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@@SpitballinCards Yes to all of this. The economics of baseball are getting absurd. But, I don't blame Ohtani for getting the big payday.
Brady won 7.
His teams won 7. Without defense he doesn't get 7
@@chrisc4264yeah because so many great defenses win 7 championships. No, Brady won 7
@@justinburnell1712 Teams win championships. QBs don't win by themselves! Brady himself said that
@chrisc4264 Everyone calm down. My comment was not an argument that Brady singlehandedly won 7 SBs. Just a correction on the point made in the video that Brady had 6 rings.
Still way overpriced actually, sell if you can rake in the money, buy back later...all cards overpriced and heading down...peace and good luck.
Christ here - interesting take. I agree a lot of stuff is overpriced (especially wax, which is nuts).
Will it all come down? I doubt it. But the more cards topps makes, the fewer there are that will hold value.
Why don’t you guys cover basketball? The most popular sport