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I'm white British and I did know about this, which is why I get very angry at certain groups here that keep trying to tell us how racist the UK is.
I also know of a story when British Commandos fought Southern Americans in Swansea because of racial intolerance, and gave them a good kick-in.
Same 👍
Then and now are not the same Chris
@@keithevans9544 too be honest Ive lived in the states. Then France and nowvthe UK. And the UK is the least ( not perfect not by a long shot) but has the least racial tensions.
Paris (early 2000's) was a fucking powder keg.
@@keithevans9544 Actually yes they are because Britains stance has never changed ww2 Britains mindset on race is the majority mindset today your skin is irrelevant colour is irrelevant.
I would rather have black US servicemen in my pub than bigoted white servicemen. I heard stories that the British loved the black soldiers because they were very polite and courteous. Always welcome here in the UK.
Britain was an incredibly racst nation
You guys completely forgot how apalng your histry is
US Army told the Brits to observe racial segregation rules so all three pubs in Bamber Bridge displayed "Black Troops Only" signs. Brings a tear to my eye every time.
My mum told me about my grandmother, who in WW2 once dated an American , who was in the Air Force, and when they were out in town, when some black American soldiers walked past, he spat on them and sweared at them. My grandmother, shocked by this, dumped him on the spot. 'How dare you spit on men who wear the uniform of your country and are willing to fight and die for it!' she shouted at him and left him standing there.
My dad used to tell a related story. He was coming home on leave from the Merchant Navy when he was stopped by US military police. They warned him that Black soldiers had mutinied and were running amok in the area he was headed for. As this wass where his family lived, he insisted on passing and was allowed through at his own risk. Upon arriving home he saw several black soldiers seated cross legged on the front lawn as his dad passed amongst them, serving them tea and sandwiches, chatting amenably. His father was a World War 1 veteran who related to them as fellow soldiers and valued them as allies.
My grandfather was from Nigeria & was saved as a teenager by Britain. He thanked them by joining the Army & fought for our country 🇬🇧🇳🇬 I get so mad when people say the UK is racist. Far from it. Racism & all kinds of discrimination exists. It always will. Forget individual hatred & ignorance, the UK as a whole, is the most welcoming
There is a story of a some white American troops during WW2 complaining to a London bus conductress about some black soldiers seating on the bus. The conductress asked the white soldiers to get off the bus
I always like the one about the bus conductress, when a group of yanks shout "is anyone going to give up their seat for the guys who are winning the War", she replied "sorry I can 't understand you, because of your thick Russian accent"...
The same thing happened in South Devon, where American troops were traing for D Day, only this time it was the British passengers that told the white Americans to leave.
@@viviennesmith7451 I live in a small town in South Devon - when I was a kid the town had one black man living in it, he was the child of an American soldier. My mother said people in the town thought the way white US soldiers treated their black comrades was disgusting.
Britain and her great nation had a crusade, a crusade to free all slaves and fight for for freedom for ALL mankind. Yes there are idiots out there who are racist but they are a seriously small minority of the British public.
@@ryanbennett1024 They are an increasing minority though. Or maybe they just shout louder now.
Look up the Motown Revue tour to the UK in 1964.
All the stars were amazed at how welcoming the British public were where ever they went.
Mary Wilson said 'we were segregated back home,but made to feel like royalty by the warm people of Great Britain'
Edwin Starr was so impressed,he settled here and became a country gent.
Edwin Starr my fav
Lived in poles worth Warwickshire for years.my wife home village.
@@peterchildress7719 me and my dad delivered a load of turf to his house (Pooley Hall, Polesworth) just over 30yrs ago.
We didn’t know it was Edwin’s house at the time as the order was made under his security guys name.
Edwin came out when we arrived and was the nicest guy you could meet. He took my dad for a tour around his house while me and the lads unloaded the truck, when they reappeared 45 minutes later they were both clutching a pint of beer 🍻
@@peterchildress7719 I'm originally from Tamworth, and when I was a teenager you used to regularly see him shopping in the town centre. He always came across as a happy, friendly man.
British civilians literally fighting to protect American soldiers from their own army. That makes me so proud. And putting 'Black Troops only' signs out...that really makes me proud of my countrymen. Such a tragedy that a man lost his life for the crime of socialising with his hosts. Shame on those men who enforced these segregation orders.
@Bryce Bishop Nobody cares Bryce.
@@BoingBB Bit sad that he is so insecure he needs to do that.
Surely "Black Troops only" is segregation. The idea is to be anti-racist, not anti-white.
@@BoingBB Bryce was a bot
@@iank8917 Figured as much but I commented on the off chance that Bryce was real. :)
Best wishes from Bamber Bridge...Hob Inn is still here
Is this the same bamber bridge between Chorley and Preston
It is @@mattsmith5421
@@mattsmith5421 with a train track running through it.
My brother lived there for a few years.
@@VaderWhoop ah a train track running through it, now I know where it is lol just messing. I live in Chorley been through there tons of times. I remember standing on the dual carriageway there when it was under construction on the bollard overlooking the football stadium watching them get thumped by the Czech Republic 16-1 I think. Was a warm up for euro 96
@@mattsmith5421 lol I can't remember that far back. It's amazing how much places can change and yet keep the same feel about the place.
Great clip! How typical the villager's response: "Black soldiers only" Makes one proud to be British 😂 🇬🇧
It’s amazing
It's a proper British response.. doing the exact opposite of what any jumped up twat orders them to do.
@@juliapigworthy. We live in different times know. Thanks to that generation. True be told they gave their lives and family's love for free men and women.. I'm a sikh by the way we don't jugh colour just courage and god.
@@pavitashergill8308 I still remember the footage of the Sikhs standing in the street during the London riots years back.
None of the violence and disorder passed that way. Respect.
@@mikereger1186. Sir evil shall not pass the truth. Just 1 of the Sikhs beliefs. Good evening to you sir.
When I was young, my grandmother had a photo of a young black soldier (UK uniform I think) I asked who he was and was told that he was an orphan and the family unofficially adopted him. It was a small village in the south west of England so would have been very few ethnic minority folk in the area then.
Like many others am fed up of being told how "racist" we are.
The majority of us are not, we are decent people. Sadly a small minority, I think they are called Tory government ministers are, I mean, they don't even like white people who are not from the UK let alone non whites.
@@slightlyconfused876 seems you’re well named.
Most Tory toffs won’t care what colour someone’s meat suit is as long as they can be pumped for money.
If anything, it’s the virtue signalling Left who’ll be racist because they’ll shove white English to the bottom of the pile as a result of “positive” discrimination. It’s STILL discrimination, only that way round you’re mistreating even more people!
If you want true equality then we should ALL be colourblind, and not play the race card in the first place.
@@mikereger1186 I knew that we'd get to the push English people to the bottom of the pile argument, all Nationalists do that one. How am I discriminating against white English people by wanting them to have a better life? You know, like allowing EU doctors and nurses to work here as we don't have enough of our own, so white English people get treated quicker? Like allowing all those EU workers to look after our old people, pick our fruit and veg etc, the jobs white English people think they are too good to do, so we have those jobs done to the benefit of white English people? If I'm slightly confused, you should be named totally deluded. Now go and read your Daily mail and Express and get another load of xenophobic shit.
@@slightlyconfused876 lmao, its funny because you think you are on the right side but you arent, the other dude is correct in stating that it is typically left wingers that cause issues/divides the left tries to see colour in everything if a film has 2 white people and 1 black person the left will scream 'its not fairrrrrrrrrr' but the right thinks 'why are you bothered about their skin? its just 3 actors'
This happened a few times in Britain and it caused several fist fights between British and U.S soldiers because of the treatment of Black soldiers, I remember my Granddad telling me stories about this when I was younger and that a lot of Black soldiers stayed here after the war got married got jobs settled down because life here was so much better for them than in the U.S
i know a man who grew up as Hitler Youth and he said that the US army did the exact same shit in Germany.
Why isn't this talked about.
@@marklloyd4087 unfortunately the winners of wars write the history.
@@marklloyd4087 it's probably not talked about because it goes against the woke narrative, that white is oppression. Good on my countrymen for standing up for what is right, and for helping to protect those who are bullied and treated unfairly.
A guy who lived near my mother was a black soldier during WWII who was stationed here and stayed here after the war. So now I know why he stayed here, married a white woman, settled down and had kids. He was a good guy. xxx
My mother told me a story about a colour bar in the local pubs and dance halls ,and to put it bluntly the American MPs were told to get lost by the locals,and it was decided by the American military that white GIs were allowed on a particular night,black GIs on another,when the white troops turned up the town was shut,when the black ones arrived it was party time...she always said they were gentlemen.
The Battle of Park Street in Bristol was another. The locals fought with black GIs against the American army military police. The black GIs were more than welcome here as far as we were concerned anyone fighting the fascists were our friends
I live in Bristol and had never heard about the Battle of Park Street. Thank you for letting me know about it. Have just finished two articles in regards to it because of your comment
@@chrisdavies9821 great! You must realise we had the nazis parked 22 miles over the Channel threatening an invasion we were being heavily bombed and starved. As far as we were concerned anyone helping us fight the fascists were our friends. Ethnicity was irrelevant. We also had a huge empire covering a quarter of the planet so coloured servicemen flooded in to help the mother country. Black American GIs were very appreciated. We hated the American army segregation policy but had to go with it as the US was our major allies.
@@chrisdavies9821 I believe there is a wiki page on it. A lot of older bristolians remember the incident. The black GIs were very popular in Bristol
@@chrisdavies9821 it is said that their experience in England and places like Bristol where they were treated as equal human beings and with respect showed them a completely different white society and what could be possible. This experience was taken back home and fuelled the civil rights movement.
@@ianharvey8025 Thank you. I'm aware that Europe is 22 miles aay and that is fully occupied and that the BEF had been driven backto out home islands. I'm very aware that we had a huge Empire - the largest the world has ever seen and that people from all over that Empire came to serve - you should read the pamphlet given to US servicemen when they came over. The paragraph on saluting women officers is very funny but highlighted a big problem - in the beginning US GI's wouldn't saluted British female officers because they thought it was beneath them! My 84 year flatmate lives in Bristol and stayed here throughout the War and he actually can't remember it but then he would have been only 6 or 7 at the time.
It wasn't uncommon for us Brits to invite black soldiers for tea even dinner my nan was one she found them far more curtious than some whites ...remember them they put their lives on the line .
She wasn't too keen on Canadians arrogant lot she said 😂
It's funny that Americans were often horrified and self-righteous seeing how the British treated people in their colonies like India- conveniently forgetting how black people were treated back home. And British people were horrified and self-righteous seeing how white Americans treated black soldiers- conveniently forgetting how they treated the people in their colonies. "White-Only" clubs were absolutely a thing in places like India and Africa.
@@mattwood6485these clubs were on a higher social level ie Officers mess of course quite a number of us lower ranks took Indian wives and girlfriends .
@@johnpryce2011 One of Billy Connolly's ancestors was a "ranker" with an Indian wife.
@@mattwood6485 Do you have any idea how the British treated people in India? You have to remember India is a big place. In many areas the British and Indian locals got on just fine. In other areas they treated each other terribly. Half the time the British were caught in the middle being attacked because they were protecting one group from another.
One of the reasons the British pulled out was that they just had no interest in fighting to keep the groups apart. This idea that India was united against the British is absolute garbage. India became Independent in August 1947. The first war started in October 1947.
By the time the 20th Century was finished, in the wars between Hindu's, Sikhs and Muslims in the lands of the former British India, up to 2 million people, nobody really knows how many, might have died in the conflicts. Nobody would claim that the British were perfect or gentle when they were running India, but it was hardly a bunch of peace loving saints being oppressed by a bunch of violent sadists, like most modern propaganda makes out.
Im a local from Bamber Bridge I’m so sorry this happened and that these soldiers were treated this way, however so happy that my countrymen tried to look out for them
As a Brit I hadn’t heard of this but am so proud that the locals stood up to the prejudice. I live in Somerset, UK there are lots of stories of local girls being in love with the black GIs stationed nearby, I think it is wonderful that the soldiers were welcomed and accepted for what they were doing - fighting for all our freedom against the Nazis. Bless them all!!❤️
In Harry Patch's book, he mentioned a very similar incident happening near Bath, where even the local copper joined in, against white GI's.
I live up north and it's well known up here
I live in Bamber Bridge (or Brig as it's known locally). This is quite a well known story here.
a similar thing happened in Bristol. Check out 'Park Street riot'
@@ba55bar will do, thanks!
From UK, I have read several cases where 'black' American servicemen were well received. We didn't have any segregation, it was a foreign concept to Britons.
Britain introduced racial segregatin in south africa
Britain was a incredibly racst nation dude.
@@larrybuchannan186 No not quite true.and we certainly never had any segregation in Britain, especially as who would be segregated? We did not have non white communities till the mid 20th C and even then only in some cities like London. The history of the south Africa region is however complex. Yes Britain annexed the Cape in 1795 and Transvaal Boer Republic in 1877. Some laws were intended to segregate from about 1902. More recently South Africa was a self governing dominion of Britain from 1910 till 1961. as was Australia or NZ or Canada from other dates. SA was self governing and became a republic in 1961. Apartheid was introduced by the SA National Party in 1948, without British support or consent when it was still a self governing dominion 'dude'.
@larrybuchannan186 very untrue britan was the nation that ended slavery, go do homework before spewing at shit please
@larrybuchannan186 Britain just finishing paying off the debts in 2015, that was used to fund the Royal navy who's sole mission for a brief time was hunting down slave traders and freeing the prisoners, and actually it wasn't just Britain contributing to slave trade, Africans were already enslaving thier own people and selling them to the Arabs before Europe even came into the African slave trading scene, slavery was completely normal back then not just in Africa but world wide, infact the name slavery came from the word Slav as their population was heavily enslaved, any way not the point, there was point in british history where the UK was the only nation in the entire world that abolished slavery as it was the first country to do so, not only did it abolish it within its own country but it set out to setting up blockades across Africa and other European countries to stop them from slave trading.
You can point fingers and blame Britain for whatever reason you want but at the end of the day Britain was the only country that started saying no to slave trade when almost every other nation was all for it. Britain doesn't have to apologise or pay for anything at all
@larrybuchannan186 2 million slaves sold wasn't even that big of a number, Portuguese stood at the top of the list with around 5 million slaves sold 👍🏻
This is powerful Ashley and you are so beautiful ❤️. I remember my grandad telling me he had to rap the nut (headbutt) in 2 yanks for treating black servicemen very wrong. And he was cheered by all his mates and black men were in shock he did it for them. Well done grandpa! We are so proud to be British 🇬🇧
British air is too pure for segregation or discrimination, we British are a tolerant people,who have always stood for the right of others and human dignity ! 🇬🇧👌👌
My dad grew up close to Bamber Bridge. In the North West England villages/towns at that time (like many other places in the UK were then and some still are) if the locals took to you, you were almost like family to them. They took to the black soldiers as the locals saw that they were very much like them, mainly from poorer backgrounds and didn't think of themselves as better than anyone else, the locals saw them as 'one of us'. The locals did NOT like the pompus white US army officers at all. If northeners didn't take to you then you could very soon be up to your neck in it - upside down. Very few things were more dangerous than a 1940s northen housewife with her hair in curlers brandishing a rolling pin.
This is why I push back when radicals paint Britain as intolerant, there are extremely small pockets as there is everywhere but we are in the huge majority open, welcoming and polite to people of all cultures.
unfortunately we are changing... right-wing politics has taken over here too.
@@junkybabes ironically I dont know many left wing soldiers, I'm not sure if that side know what valour, integrity or respect means, that said you pick a side and you become worse than both.
@@samlaw9938 what are you going on about... Left versus right, the communists crushed fascism. One is far left the other is far right. Left won... And in Vietnam... But its generally the far right that start wars... The white us soldiers in this reaction were right-wing, far right. So what is your point?
@@samlaw9938 I'm left wing and was a soldier, hello!
@@junkybabes
Maybe the right wing "taking over" is a reaction to the demonising of the white British as racist and intolerant, by the left, contrary to the contents of this video.
We will not be told we have unconscious bias.
@@johnmulligan455 As a Brit which this video shows, you are talking shite.
@@johnmulligan455 we are being *told* we do, but we are being told complete bollocks.
@@johnmulligan455 I don't have any unconscious bias... I judge people not skin colour. I do judge cultures as well though but not unconsciously.
@@johnmulligan455 On the other hand though I do think black culture isn't English culture ect.
Understood, I here you.
@@overthewebb You really should apologise Greg, you misread what John said, "But we are" is what he said not "But we do" think about it for second
I have known of this incident for several years, and it always makes my blood boil when I see the details again. UK society is far from perfect, but it makes me proud of the residents of Bamber Bridge in 1943. Despite the civil rights movement in the 1960s and Black lives Matter today, who would want to visit the USA, let alone live there, with that kind of attitude still widely prevalent in some areas?
ANd its just getting worse, because now the police brutality etc has been expanded to the average joe who can't catch a break during the total economic breakdown. So it's no longer a race war, it's become a POOR/RICH war.
I believe that the welcome these soldiers felt in the UK was one of the triggers for the civil rights movement after the war.
There is in an interesting article about the "Battle Of Park Street Bristol" - where again Black GI's were defended by locals from White GI's and how it is in a minor way responsible for the US Civil Rights Movement. How do you go back home and being treated as second class humans when you have spent years fighting and being treated as equal by the white people of a different country?
Considering Britain was the single greatest nation in the fight to end slavery, it comes as no surprise that they wouldn’t like that sort of racist crap.
I think that it was a factor on the Civil Rights movement. I can't remember who said it, but there is a quote from a black American serviceman who had been stationed in Europe. It was something about how, "In Britain, I was treated as a man; but at home, I was just another N..."
Well. I'm not writing the word, but you can guess what it was.
The best story is when American military police told a pub they needed to segregate their pub so the land lord put a sign In the window saying black g.is only and banned the white g.is from entering lol
I'm I'm an old Scottish Grandmother and I remember my Grandmothers friend who was Afro Caribbean, this lady married a Scottish sailor and settled down In Central Scotland In the 1920's, she was just another neighbourhood mother who swapped recipes and gossiped with the other mothers, there was never any mention of colour, she was just Mrs Kenny who lived In our street and my Schoolfriends Grandma.
Being at the older end of the scale - I do know about this and there was more than this one incident .
Can you tell us more?
It's sad that the black service men were fighting for their country, a country that treated them so badly. Im so proud to be British, were not a bad race of people and im so glad you showed this video. Very heartwarming 💕
Pitty BLM never mention this in the UK
@@krpkrp3033 I know, but they don't want to publicise anything Good.
@@krpkrp3033 because they aren't talking about a street fight from WW2?
BLM are opposing racism now, people will use this event as a shield to hide the racism that still is in the UK as much as it pains me to say.
I knew this type of thing happened with white American troops treating the American Black troops badly . I even read somewhere that while in a pub in the UK white American soldiers starrted picking on British Empire black troops . The White American soldiers were put in their place by locals and British soldiers .
That is true when the Southern US GIs made the mistake of attacking West Indian troops. The West Indian troops and the British Army got into a fight with the white US GIs. Don't mess with the West Indian troops.
I've heard of Southern US GIs standing in line to go into a cinema objecting to standing behind black troops who were West Indian. The West Indians didn't comply like the blacks would do in the Southern States. They didn't take that sort of s*** lying down and fist fights broke out.
thos us troops shoud off been beat up come in to our land and pick on our trops just beuse there black what dicks the nerve on then is un real
I’d laugh my arse off if they ever tried that with a Gurkha. Oh, boy... that’d get messy.
Similar incidences happend in New Zealand when US tropps demanded that New Zealend should start to segrigate the native white and Maori tropps. Long story short, dont mess with the Maori especially when they have their kiwi brothers backing them up.
But seriusly, how arrogant are you when you demand that a nation you are visiting should introduce racist laws bacuse you cant handle the fact that this nation is treating every citizen with respect.?
It astonishes me how a country as young as America thought they could waltz in and dictate who could and couldn't enter our centuries old pubs...no wonder we stuck two fingers up, did the opposite and embraced these brave young men as brothers in arms. If the US Military Police hadn't turned up with guys we would have fought hand and fist until there was no body left to fight.
Videos like this make me proud to be British I feel sorry for anybody going through something like this stand together people not apart
This is an utter disgrace.
I'm a British, white, mid-50s man. I grew up in the '70s and it saddens me to see groups (I won't name them) claim the UK is racist. Growing up, all of my school friends were either white, Indian, Asian, Pakistani or Caribbean in equal amounts. My ex-wife is mixed race.
We are NOT a racist country and the troublemakers who are determined to cause division are wrong and should be called out.
I totally agree with you
We are not a racist country !!!
This is so true, Most British people couldn't care less what colour a person is, BLM are trying to make our this country is racist when it really isn't.
Yep 75% at our school were black and to be fair in my 5 years there I never even heard that racist word.... We all got on and 45 years later I still see my school mates and we still respect each other .... Although we still take the piss and have good banter
The ones behind the likes of BLM and Antifa are hoping that racial division takes root and blossoms into violence so they can profit from it and restore the ancient evils of slavery and inequality.
Loyalty to our nation, its flag, and its history and traditions are all that's required, and a steadfast resolve against all who threaten those foundations of all our freedoms.
That includes lockdown loony MPs if they dare to enforce any covid restrictions beyond the roadmap end date mid June or push their digital passport ID cards on those who prefer freedom.. it won't end well for them if they try it on and those yellow vested uniforms won;t save them from the long pent-up wrath of an extremely patient people.
Sorry to disagree with someone who is clearly not a racist but why do you think we voted for Brexit? Because far too many Brits actually are racist, or rather xenophobic. Whose side do you think Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris would have been on in the battle of Bamber Bridge? By the way I'm British, white and mid 60s.
My grandparents invited 2 black servicemen for tea during the war.my gran said they were absolutely lovely.they did not care about the colour of their skin they looked on them as soldiers.my grandad wrote to one of the soldiers for 40 years after the war and saw him a couple of times on visits. The soldier was named Arthur and my grandad always considered him to be a very dear friend
That’s a joke that they thought they could come over to the UK and tell us what the laws were. Good on the locals for fighting back 🏴🇺🇸🇬🇧
I’m shocked & upset that those poor US soldiers were treated so, so badly by their own countrymen, yet were offered good grace & dignity by their hosts. As the video progressed I found myself getting pis*ed at the US authorities over the disgraceful treatment of their fellow men. Bamber Bridge is about 50miles away from where I am.
Had you heard anything about this incident before seeing this video?
Bamber Bridge is only 19 miles from me and this is the first time I've heard this story. I know how we English would have looked at it. It doesn't matter what you're colour, race, religion is, we are all on the same side against a Nazi Facist Regime. We are all one. I did know of racism from their own troops in WW2 but I didn't know this story. Makes me proud to be English/British.
@@carldarbyshire4 Yet Britain is now being told it is a racist country, people forget the past quickly.
The writer Anthony Burgess, famous for A Clockwork orange among others lived near Bamber Bridge at the time of the incident. He recorded that the Black US Troops were absolute gentlemen which is why they were so popular with the locals. He also noted that the soldiers gave lessons in The Jitterbug a popular dance at the time.
I believe his wife was sexually assaulted by a soldier in WW2
@@jonathangriffiths2499 was it a black American soldier? No. His wife Lynn was sexually assaulted by a group of American men while attempting to make her way home during the blackout in London in 1944. She was pregnant at the time and miscarried.
My Grandmother was from Twyford in Berkshire England and she said to me that there was a segregated base near her house for black servicemen,these people weren’t allowed off the base,literally fenced in.
She said they would often call her and the other local kids over to the fence and push chocolate and candy thru to them.
Kids during the war were pretty skinny I would imagine.
What a lovely thing to do.
Great review again.
Thank you from England.
I didn’t know this and I’m a Brit , but to be honest it doesn’t surprise me the black soldiers where made welcome and unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me of the American army being racist so sad so needless , they was all fighting the same enemy but the black soldiers had 2 enemies to deal with thanks for sharing x
Whilst stationed in Berlin in 1975 with the British Army, myself and several of my fellow Servicemen where socialising with some black GI,s in the American Sector. We encountered a similar situation from the Mp,s and several white GI,s, in my Regiment blacks & whites mixed...we all did the same job !!
1975 !
@@hannecatton2179 1975 it was still going on then !!
What did the American MP's expect they're trying to stop a good old boozy knees up in a British pub after we've invited good folks in for a drink who's helping us fight for our very survival !
Only our skin colour is different, proud to be British 🇬🇧
Let's not pretend we don't have some very hate filled ugly humans here too....
@@lennycook206 let's not pretend that most of us are not hate filled ugly humans. I accept that every nation has them. Thankfully they are in a minority in the UK both then and now..
@@lennycook206 yeah like Anjem Choudary!
@@stuartwhelan3258 seems you have made a factual adjustment to my comment or your reply doesn't really make any sense to tag me. And let's also not pretend that no Brits were hostile to these soldiers too. Don't get your "facts" in a comments section of social media.
@@lennycook206 it seems that you cannot read or, more likely, you choose to read more than was clearly written. Sadly this renders your comments utterly fallacious. Keep trying though.
Story time:
One of my grandpas was racist and the other was not. In their younger days, they both lived in a small town in Scotland that briefly hosted US soldiers. Black soldiers were soon invited (like, literally sent an invitation) to one pub because the locals realised they never came by for a drink. A group of young black men came, understandably nervous, and were welcomed in. One grandpa bought them a round and enjoyed hours of the soldiers’ company, until near midnight when my other grandpa arrived with a mini mob of protesters. My grandpas got into a fist fight. Police turned up (along with the rest of the town!) and the mob were forced to walk home in shame. That particular pub was then predominantly used by the locals and black soldiers, the white soldiers went to the only other pub and drank themselves.
It started a mini-feud between my grandpas (and grans!) that lasted years until my parents met, got married and had kids. I’ve been told family gatherings were extremely awkward, and I’m just sad they didn’t all live long enough to see their 2 granddaughters in bi-racial relationships! 😂 Hate doesn’t win.
Beautiful story my freind shows the oppinion's of some Scots who were not happy for them to be there. Your other grandfathers view that if you are over here fighting for us least we could do during rationing was make them feel at home wi calleys a party for not just the American troops but also the commonwealth countries there soilders were treated as long lost family member great men. Honestly great story.
Your family name isn't Shakespeare per chance?. I couldn't imagine Scots holding long standing feuds.
Bamber bridge is not far from where I like and I didn't know about this , thank you for this story it was fabulous Ashley 👍
Us British troops do like to fight with military police. But we do so even more when we see them acting unfairly and unjustly. In WW2 there where many incidents of the US military trying to enforce segregation in a country that doesn’t have this stupid law. Most ended in a physical altercation.
This made me cry. I’m so proud to say I’m British. God Bless them all and a big thank you ✝️🙏🏼🌹😢😢
Who's the muttonhead with the thumbs down? What's to dislike about this clip? As commented below, you're showing us stuff a lot of us Brits didn't know - nice one Ashley.👍
There are 2 sub species found on war vids; those who wish the Axis has won and those who think the Russians did it all without any assistance. These days a new generation of Russian historians is clarifying the latter, rather muddy pool. Many more documents are still being unearthed about the details of WWII.
"the muttonhead with the thumbs down"
Please don't be so insulting to sheep - even elderly ones !
"Who's the muttonhead with the thumbs down? " Maybe it was a self-flagellating wokist, annoyed that these sorts of stories don't fit the white privilege narrative?
@@minhearg8331
"self-flagellating"
EXACTLY the expression to use of all those Snowflake-White People who decry the 'white' culture of the past 2500 years - a culture which has given them everything they have, especially the higher moral values they CLAIM to live by. A modern manifestation of good old-fashioned (and induced) Group-Think. If you want to have a bit of fun with such a person, just try asking him/her/it to name at least SOME of the beneficial-to-Humanity moral/social/philosophical values, inventions, artistic and scientifc innovations etc to have have come out of sub-Saharan Africa over the same period.
I’d heard of this kind of thing before, it’s not spoken of much.
I’d also smile when remembering that the GIs quartered in the UK often “fraternised” with the local girls; a packet of stockings and some cigarettes could go a long way.
Let’s just say that when Brits refer to the Americans as the “cousins”, in some cases it’s more literal...
My father, uncle and a few friends who were passionate about trad jazz in the 1950s took a trip to New Orleans to see and hear the music performed by the originators, their heroes. They were thrown out of one bar that didn't allow whites, this happened a few times and they eventually spent the night in jail for flouting the "no white" or "black only" rule. Undeterred, as this was their passion and they had come a long way, they went back to hear the music, learn from the musicians etc. Arrested again only this time they were deported! Interestingly enough, and I thank God for it, no one was hurt, no one was killed and no one was lynched (were whites also "lynched" back then? Apologies for my ignorance here). I don't know if their relatively lenient treatment was due to race (white) or country of origin (England).
You've shown some interesting and thought provoking videos, thank you Ashley. x
This is the first I've heard of this but what's interesting about it is that it demonstrates a clear pattern for US troops stationed in allied nations during WWII. The same thing happened in Wellington NZ in "the battle of Manners st". American servicemen attempted to block NZ Maori soldiers from entering the Services Club, their own home club. Other NZ soldiers then came to support the Maoris and soon more than 1000 soldiers were brawling. There were rumours at the time that 2 American soldiers died. 3 more similar brawls followed throughout NZ.
In Australia there was the "battle of Brisbane". That was partly about girls, the Americans being paid more, and the Australians not rating the Americans as soldiers but it was also racial. Even though Australia had a "white Australia policy" at that time, had no voting rights for its indigenous people etc Australians were still somehow sufficiently offended by the American treatment of their own black servicemen that they brawled over it. It's not hard to understand why. American military authorities segregated the city of Brisbane and American military police assaulted and killed black American troops found on the wrong side of the Brisbane river.
So the sad part about this is that America (along with maybe South Africa) has long been the problem child in this regard. The rest of the world really doesn't suffer from this disease in the same way, yet we're all being affected by it. America is continuing to export its bullshit and the rest of the world, now immersed in American-centred media, is getting drawn in, becoming deranged and divided about a problem we've had in trace amounts for generations.
I live 5 minutes from here. Its still remembered... The same pub is still there
As another brit who never heard of this, thank you Ashley, you should check out the film Red Tails
That's the story of the Tuskegee pilots?
Check this
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The history guy Eugene Bullard
As a Brit I have never heard this - very interesting and a perspective I (as a white guy) hadn't thought about - that they would suddenly be in a more free society
I’m pissed off 😡 why isn’t this taught in schools, here in the UK and American. Why wasn’t I taught about this? Ahhh infuriates me! Thank you for teaching me something Ashley ❤️
You’re welcome ❤️❤️
Because it doesn’t fit with the agenda.
There were numerous clashes between UK Civilains and Soldiers over US attempts to try and enforce segregation, Bamber Bridge was the most serioius clash, but there were hundreds of smaller clashes up and down the country
This has parralels to what many black American entertainers experienced in England and Europe, From Josephine Baker pre war, to many blues singers, the motown and stax tours of Europe, even jimi hendrix. Many had awakenings about their situation in the states and it made it hard for them to go back there after not only treated equally overseas,, but also idolised as the stars they were. Things haven't changed much either.
Hi am from near BamberBridge and Work there. The people of Lancashire in my opinion are the warmest excepting and non judgmental people un the UK.
have you forgot the war of the roses ?
@@tomjones1354 That was a civil war, Nothing to do with different nationalities or race.
@@iriscollins7583 Yorkies don't count ;)
It is hard to watch this but it should be shown in every school on both sides of the Atlantic. We all owe a great debt to everyone who served during WW2 regardless of colour. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people answered the call from around the globe and were all willing to serve the cause and should all be respected and honoured and it is so sad that these brave men came across to the UK to serve and were treated so badly by their own country it really must have been so hard to return to a segregated society.
Thanks for reacting to my suggestion!
Britain is by no means perfect, my grandad who is from Jamaica and black and my grandma who is white and English were married in the 1940s here - that would have been illegal in most States still.
The experience of black GIs in Britain was considered to be one of the driving factors of the civil rights movement as they saw that it didn’t have to be the way it was at home
As others have said this wasn’t the only time this happened but it’s the most famous incident
It wasn't the only time this sort of thing happened. In Nantwich in Cheshire the town I was brought up in pubs there put signs up stating No White GI"s in response to a similar demand of the US military. That resulted in the Black soldiers being relocated away from Nantwich because of the bad feeling it caused
@@paulpotts6514 absolutely it’s awful, as I said it wasn’t the only time, just the most famous incident
My Gradad said that the Yanks treated black people terrible.
We have never had segrigation in the UK
Why would a black man fight for country that made them sit on the back on the bus
Proud to be British
when your local pub is on a CZcams video from America, also any one from Bamber bridge knows full well you dont tell us who we can and cant have a drink with haha.
You may be interested to know that when the UK outlawed the slave trade in the UK and all countries of the Empire any American who visited the UK and its territories and brought a slave/slaves with them were ordered to release them and were not allowed to take them back to the US and the slaves were allowed to live in the UK as free men.
The British also used to blockade Africa ports and prevent slave ships from entering and leaving. This was ships of all countries not just the US. They also Intercepted ships at sea and freed slaves.
This came at a great cost to the British both in lives lost and financially. Britain had to go so far in debt in order to fight slavery that the debts incurred and paid by British tax payers were not fully paid off until 2015!!!
My mother in law worked in an American Red Cross canteen in Andover (Hampshire England). The section she worked in was only open to 'coloured' troops. Even the American Red Cross promoted segregation in those days! When she spoke of the young men she met she was full of praise for their manners and good conduct, and some were invited back home to meet others in her family. After D-day the canteen closed and her friends went overseas, but she always had fond memories.
This is why the UK is the best place to live.
Respect to the us British for standing up for them ,we are all one ✌🏴🇺🇲🏴🇺🇲🏴🇺🇲❤
The British told the US military authorities in no uncertain terms that their racism wasn't welcome in our country.
White US military police were frequently beaten up by British civilians and military when they tried to lift black soldiers. We in Britain were under a major threat and we didn't care about the colour of a person's skin if they were over here to help, all that matters is what is in a person's heart and soul.
The major threat of invasion had passed by the time the Americans arrived. What we needed was help to rid Europe of the Nazis', which is why they were here. ( I gave you a thumbs up for your comment)
I live near Bamber Bridge and have often visited the pub mentioned but had no idea this happened. Thanks for making me aware of the incident.
I grew up in a small village in the UK and during WW2 there were many American Airmen stationed in and around the many villages around Cambridge and Duxford plus all the other Airfields and everyone was welcomed and fostered by the villagers to help the Airmen feel welcomed and ease their burden of being away from Home.
Lots of Airmen stayed after the War.
Even as a child in 1977 a mixed race family from Africa ( The Dad was white and his wife Black) settled in our Village and were amazed at how they didn’t have to experience Racism in the Village ( they got it pretty bad in S.Africa ).
I grew up with their Children and we are all still Friends....it wasn’t until we were all about 16-18 ( bout 1985 ) on a trip to Town that we ( as white kids ) experienced racism towards our Friends ( who someone called half-castes ),when my Friend explained what those words meant and why she was crying, I have never felt such anger and myself and my other friends defended our Friends.
I don’t see Colour, I just see people I know,friends and that’s it.
We are all just people at the end of the day aren’t we ?.
I know this story as it's something that happened around 5 miles from where I live. Shocking the way these brave men were treated.
OMG I didnt know this had happened. I am disgusted and appalled this happened and feel angry myself that the American military didnt treat their own as their own. The people of the UK, especially in the north, Bamber Bridge, are very friendly and I'm very happy they all had a drink in a pub together. RIP all those soldiers, the people of the UK will always support the black community. Thanks for posting. Ian UK
You have to visit the UK when you can... happy to show you around. We're not perfect, but we're better than that.
This is another reason I love my home county of lancashire
Lancashire was the county which was in the forefront of none white cricketers playing at professional level in England. Farooq Engineer and Sir Clive Lloyd being two huge names at Old Trafford. Lancashire progressiveness throughout history is something that people should be very proud of. The courage of Rochdale during the American civil war when they refused to side with the South because of slavery and starved in the process. I think this stems from being the backbone of the British economy and workers rights became everyones rights.
My dad was a police officer on Liverpool docks ,one evening we had two lovely black sailors for an evening meal .I have never forgotten them
It was brilliant we had such a night .Lovely memories 💕❤️
I remember myMuM telling me about local dances in WW2, black american troops one side of the dance hall, white american troops on the other side, not mixing like everyone else, and regular fist fights between both parties,something she never understood, when we where all fighting the same war.
I can just imagine the different viewpoints not seeing eye to eye. The US kinda built their country on institutionalized racism and were far removed from the war whereas it wasnt something the average UK person saw....however they were living in fear of being bombed or invaded! Being told to segregate the people who were fighting for their freedom must have seemed insane to them!
Well, this was hidden history. Swearword racism. I am glad people stuck up to the racists. Thank you for the vid, beautiful
Stood up to.
If you stuck up for; then you're protecting not opposing.
@@VaderWhoop Stuck up to, not for.
@@iriscollins7583
I hear you, but the correct term is stood up to.
Well it's the first time I've heard of this incident, though I have seen an old black and white movie that featured some of the predudice black soldiers suffered from the American armed forces in WW2 . I find this kind of treatment of black soldiers that were here to fight and die for the same cause as there own forces, were treated so badly by there own. Don't know where you dug this up, but I'm glad you chose it to react too.
Look at the stories of Mohamed ALi at the Olympics, he hung with the British and Irish boxers, as the Americans wouldn't speak to him. He became friends with a guy in Liverpool during his life who ran his fan club. He loved the UK as he was treated as a normal man.
You can look at an example even more relevant to the times talked of in the video, namely Jesse Owens who participated in the 1936 Berlin Olympics and in many ways humiliated the hosting Nazi Germany as he won 4 gold medals, setting 3 world records and tying another within the space of an hour, against their proposition of the "superior Aryan race".
Despite this he was snubbed at home in the segregated US and struggled to even find a job afterwards, receiving more congratulations and acclaim from Hitler himself, who was recorded by Nazi minister Albert Speer as being highly annoyed by his triumphs.
Inspiring and upsetting in equal measure, hello from the UK. 🍻
I live 2 miles From Bamber Bridge. You could before covid, have a meal and a pint in the Hob Inn. The official death toll was 2. But there were rumours that there were far more.
The black solders in America were given the worst jobs because the officers thaught that they wouldn't make battlefield troops. They soon found out they were wrong by a long shot. In one segregated black unit was Joe Louis, the heavyweight champion of the world.
Very sad , never heard of this . Thanks for sharing Ashley ❤️
My grandfather was a WWI vet. During WWII he and my grandmother were home in the south of England. Lots of American servicemen were stationed nearby, both black and white. In the local pub, my grandfather witnessed the disrespect of 2 black GIs by their white counterparts. He was so angry at what he saw, he was ready to fight those racists and invited the black soldiers to drink with him and his mates. As long as they were based there, those guys were welcome at my grandfather’s table. They even visited my grandparents at home for tea and snuck food to them from the US base (at a time when Brits were rationed). When they shipped out, both GIs promised to visit my grandparents on their return, but they never saw either of them again. Maybe they had no opportunity to visit or maybe they were killed in action. Either way my grandparents never forgot them.
I was born in bamber bridge lived there for 24years, still live 4 miles up the road, there was a railway pedestrians subway under the tracks in the middle of the village, it had bullet holes in the walls still when I was a kid in the 1970's sadly they filled it in a few years back. The pub where it all started The Hob inn is still a working pub to this day and it look much the same. The US army thought they could control the brothers ( nickname for bamber bridge locals) they thought wrong.
ashley im a 66 year old man who grew up in a small town in england . not quite sure at what age i fist saw a black person . but i do know like many people my age ,we as british embrace and welcome all good people
A family member of mine lived in Bamber Bridge for over 10 years and I didn’t even find out about this incident until after he’d moved elsewhere. It’s quite a pleasant little town.
We don’t like being told what to do. That is why left the EU lol 😂
In the 1920s an African American by the name of Paul Robeson befriended Welsh miners as they were going through some tuff times (General Strike). He sang for them and with them, a mutual respect was born. I suggest you look in detail the life of Paul Robeson it is interesting and heartning.
I live only 30 minutes from Bamber Bridge and was entirely unaware of this story, thanks for the reaction.
Similar thing happened in my grandmothers pub, we aint having that, come to spill your blood in our defence, you can share my pint
love this channel is makes me proud to be British. I looked up the pub and its still there too.
My mum worked in a cafe in Broad Marsh in Nottingham during the war. White G.I's were in there when a black G.I. came in. The white G.I's gave him a bit of a roughing over and kicked him out. 5 minutes later he returned with the biggest black guy she'd ever seen. He quietly asked all the staff and other customers to leave. They virtually had to rebuild the cafe after.
Preston born and raised, I could see Bamber Bridge from my bedroom window when I was a kid...my grandad told me about this once. The bridge itself has seen many battles in its time.
It wasn't just America that did that.. my granda told me when he was stationed in South Africa the black kids wouldn't even take gum, chocolate or sweets they were that frightened of the white south Africans seeing them talk to white British soldiers.. crazy.
During WWII, my Dad's unit was sent to North Africa to join the 8th Army. They travelled by ship, which stopped twice in South Africa. One guy in Dad's unit was black. He stayed on the ship when the rest of the unit went ashore as he knew he'd be treated as "black" there, not as a soldier in the British Army.
So proud of The British we treat people by character not skin colour we are one race the human race...♥️🙏
Most of us do. Sadly .................
Oh and has a footnote, my 91 year old mum , has more photos of 1 of my pals on the wall than me, and still calls him her second son.
The thing that's always stayed in my mind about how black people were really thought of during WW2 in America is the story of Charles Drew. He was one of the major creators of the mass blood plasma programmes that saved thousands of lives during WW2 (particularly in Britain).
He wasn't allowed to donate blood himself. Because he was black, and his blood might have "tainted" white soldiers.
As well as that, at the time, his local branch of the American Medical Association then only allowed white doctors to join. He died aged 45, in car crash, without being admitted.
Maybe you should react to the The Tuskegee Airmen / Red Tails films?
A thumbs up from someone who lives in Bamber Bridge!! and the Hob Inn is my local.
Heart breaking . Not just that the American army didn't agree that we were all fighting against Nazi scum but that these brave guys were risking their lives for freedom and weren't seen as equal. RIP those brave lads . Proud of the English men and women for at least trying to stand up for them at the time . Bless
We have alway been welcoming. Love the world ♥ 🌎
Your pfp, is from a Neo-Nazi group
@@markbenjamin1703 ??? Please explain how that is so.
@@normanyemm8717 Britain First are a street thug gang that harass Muslims, attempt to get rape trials cancelled through mistrials. They are basically the EDL in tweed
My brother in law went over to a US army base in maryland on a joint exercise when they got there they hadn't eaten so went to the canteen many of the tables where taken so the British soldiers went and sat where they could find many sat next to black soldiers and the canteen staff who where mainly black even asked do you mind if we sit with you this was answered with much amusement by the black soldiers sure you can buddy!! The white American soldiers didn't take kindly to this at all over the next couple of weeks the brits struck up a rapport with the black canteen staff much to the dismay of the white American soldiers but their friendship always ensured that the brits got extra rations😂😂😂