FINALLY! Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 / Nürburgring: Good Handling, Stupid Gearbox.
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00:00 Specs & walkaround
04:05 DRIVING WITH TWO FEET
05:45 Lap
14:11 Thoughts After Lap - Auta a dopravní prostředky
RE: The American attitude on left-foot braking / two-pedal driving. As taught in the US, you only use your right foot for gas/brake, no matter if it's a manual or an automatic. There are people who use the two-pedal method, but their braking is inconsistent while street driving and generally confuse other drivers. Plus, you see headlines of elderly people smashing through storefronts, because they panicked and smashed their right foot down on the gas pedal thinking it was the brake.
For track driving, left-foot braking is great! It helps weight transfer, helps balance out understeer, etc etc. But on the street, we are taught not to under any circumstance, and if you do two-pedal driving, you are "incorrect". When I drive on the street, I always use one foot for the gas and brake, using heel-toe in my manual cars on occasion for downshifts. I only left-foot brake on the track. Hope that helps!
Very good input!
Some in the US accidentally ride the brakes too letting their left foot rest on the brake pedal
this explanation makes sense. keep doing it as it's the best way and also loving the foot cam!🔥
I mean on the public roads here, we are also just using the right foot for brake and gas, but I actually thought that everyone understands that public roads aren't comparable to a race track. Every racing driver brakes with the left foot as far as I know 😅
@@aisu8481 lmao, how do you figure that's a US thing exactly?
I work in the factory that produces the 10speed transmission for Ford. They are absolute tanks. Can easily handle upwards of 700hp stock. However, some of them shift very strangely.
Owner here. Is that a hardware or a software problem and can I do something to make the redline more predictable?
@@filipjnc I've got one in an '18 F150 V8 and mine is a bit janky so I am also curious if there are any software upgrades.
@@filipjnc It is software I believe. I'm pretty sure you can get a tune that will make it shift faster. But you may have reliability issues. I'd put a better clutch in it if your going to do that.
@@filipjnc Part of the reason they are so tanky is because of the way they shift
@@filipjnc probbably a software thing to keep the engine/transmission healthy.
Maybe it's not a problem to have short burst up to 7300-7400rpm in short gears, but when you get to higher gears engine spends more time rotating that fast and maybe builds excess heat...So they just limited/programed transsmision to shift at lower rpm...
They could've programmed that cluster to show lower rev limit in high gears, just so the driver knows what's up...
But it's still fast, even tho the rev limit is 500-600rpm lower, the car certainly has a lot of midragne power and torque to keep up.
Gt350r is something I think you would really like driving, mainly for the sound and gear box. Loving the diversity in videos recently keep up the great work
As a gt350 ownder i would love to see a 350r
@@angelh5487 I'm very jealous as a UK resident only just getting my license
@@certifiedbidry What will your first car be ?
@@christmasisawesome9348 I'm trying to decide to whether to go with a classic or a small hatch like an up GTI
I wanna see him drive the new zo6
If you ever want to drive the pre-facelift, manual version with a way more Track oriented setup, you can drive mine 👍👍
Let's go!
@@mgcharoudin LETS GO
What track orientation it doesnt even have rear independent suspension, its the crowd killer
@@Chris-hw4mq I think you are thinking of the previous generation mustang when he says pre-facelift. I'm sure that the pre-face is independend rear.
@@bayramsabri5712 yeah I tought he meant a S197 that was built untill 2015, didnt think he meant a 2015-2017.
That water bottle was sketchy lol couldve gone so wrong
@Matthew Mud it looked like sunscreen
...the lack of inspection process on channels like these (Smoking Tire) is terrifying and I can't help but get a dreadful sense of impending statistical doom from it...
@@dericanslum1696 I´ve always thought the exact same
Made me realize that's what the event runners at the track day I went to were talking about when they asked for the cabin and trunk to have everything removed from it.
Anytime I go to a track, even a small "casual" track, they are very strict on not having anything loose in the car. Nurburgring? They don't say a word, you can have all sorts of loose junk in the car.... at least from what I've seen on videos. Lots of people have crap in the back seat sliding around as well.
You have to hold the traction control for 10 seconds to turn off advance trac. That will allow full redline shifting.
Holy crap dude, thanks for that!! I have a gt with a ten speed and didn’t know that 😂
really? oh man thank you i didnt know that greetings from Germany...now heading to Autobahn
Well, no wonder he didn't lose traction then.
he usually turns traction off completely so i’d be surprised if he didn’t do this
It's crazy how much performance you can access from these cars. Actually shows the car's potential. Then people critique your driving style. Blows my mind.
Every body is an arm chair expert.
Misha casually mounting 4 cameras per car to make these videos awesome + fancy cinema camera broll at the beginning. So much work
Thnx for the love!
Noted, but I believe he has "a guy". As a professional camera "guy" we usually are never seen or credited ;-)
@@ocavant not for the onboards. The beautyshots are done by "a guy".
@@ocavant can’t afford to hire any “guys” without absurd amounts of work. Respect for what he’s doing and how he’s doing it!!
The 10-speed automatic is an amazing gearbox for straight-line, but it's one that needs to be left to its own devices and not paddle-shifted if you want fast shifts. Once you try paddle-shifting it, it has a delay. Shame to see it struggle on the track
From the factory the 10R80 is not tuned for fun. It’s tuned for economy. It has skip shift and everything to jump between gears more efficiently. I will say the transmission doesn’t take tuning like ZF 8 speed does. The ZF 8 speed is the pinnacle of automatics currently available.
For some weird reason number of "speeds" is important to americans. Just like number of bathrooms is super important when selling a house. Often americans have more bathrooms than bedrooms. Its a weird cultural thing. There is zero reason in having 10 gears in a car.
@@captain_context9991 And let's not forget, they insist on calling a toilet a bathroom! 😉😋
If I want to a take a bath or a shower, I'll go to the bathroom, if I want to take a piss or a shit, I'll go to the toilet!
If I can't take a bath or a shower in said room, it is not a bathroom!😉😋
I would like to see a GT500 with dct do a lap
@@captain_context9991
...and here comes the guy who always has something negative to say about the United States. Have you not met your quota for the day yet?
Absolutely love the review on the Mustang 5.0.. I've been wanting to see one on the channel and boom here it is 😆. This car has 3.55 gear ratio and stock tune. Ford really limits the car from the factory. A tune completely wakes the car up and with e85 its a monster. I have a 2019 Mustang 5.0 with the 401a and pp1 performance package premium with magneride... it's a beast... 🇺🇸
nice boat.
@@funkytransport Lighter than a lot of European cars these days.
Try to find a high horsepower European V8 sports car as good as this under 50 grand...
@@weasle2904 lol
You don't know shit your a computer DJ that produces 🗑 and calls it "music" 💩🧠🤡
This thing ate the track like a beast. It's actaully amazing.
I hope there's someone that will let Misha drive the gt350r, it would be nice to hear the sound of that beast
^
coyote is fun but voodoo is insane - that would be an awesome onboard
I wanna see him drive a charger hellcat out there.
They are 4500 lbs but contrary to popular opinion surprisingly level and well planted in corners.
You need to get a new GT500 with the Carbon Fiber Track Pack out there on the Ring! Cup 2 tires, carbon wing and carbon wheels…7 speed dual clutch!!!
Maybe Shmee will let him drive when his comes over.
You pushed the Mustang like a Boss around the green hell... Well done🤙👍
Love this channel 💪
Appreciate all the hard work 🙌
Great vid Misha! Enjoying the US spec cars trickle through on the channel
I might be a ”dynamic” rev limiter, in that the limit is different for different gears. Higher gears => lower rev limit because you will spend more time in the high revs. That is a common practise in motorsport anyway.
Sound logical, but why then revs limit didn't change on rev counter?
@@SzymonL8 agreed. Let’s take advantage of the lcd display and move the displayed redline to give the driver more feedback
@@SzymonL8 Because then you would have to pay an employee to program that and then test and tune and fix bugs etc.
If you really care that much, just get some bolt-ons and get a custom tune. But ultimately these cars aren't built to go on track. Christ, it's a freakin' 10-speed auto for crying out loud. We're lucky it did as well as it did. This car is meant for cheap 0-60mph times with decent handling and decent fuel economy. You know, magazine specs. And idk if you noticed, but most autos have paddle shifters now. It's great for _pretending_ you're going fast, but ultimately its purpose is to look cool and trendy and maybe to downshift when going down a mountain pass...
And I say that as a Mustang guy. These cars are a lot better on the track than they used to be and credit is due, but you aren't gonna get a DCT for as cheap as this thing is, and you aren't gonna get the best tune unless you pay for it or learn to do it yourself.
Great video Misha, the Mustang did better than I expected👏🏻👏🏻 it will be interesting to see how Shmee's GT500 does at the ring too.
As a 2018 Mustang GT owner here in Europe with a manual g/box it was a very interesting ride👍
I didn’t know the mustang gt was so fast, very impressed
the car looked very well cleaned, lets appreciate that 👌🏻😎
Wonderful to see some more American Muscle on the channel :) As for your call to try something a little higher in the model range, hopefully you can try out Shmee150's GT500 once it makes it was to the UK, and by extension, it's inevitable trip to the Nurburgring.
Driving with two feet is a great racing technique, my old boss used race drag cars and he always drove like that regularly. I was amazed when I saw it but as he and you explained it's better for close braking and reaction time. Love the video mate keep it up
2 feet driving an automatic *ON THE STREET* is frowned upon because some people rest their feet on the brake pedal, which can cause a lot of problems for other drivers when they appear to be braking but are not, and as others have noted... right foot braking avoids potential confusion in a panic situation. On the track it makes sense.
Have you ever driven in a 55+ community where the blinker is left on and brake light is constantly lit? 🙃
Man i would love to see you push a ZR-1 to its limits!!
More awesomeness, thank you Misha!
Great ride as always! I hope to be visiting the ring in October, not sure if it will be open for taxi rides but just being there and watch all the nice cars and the ring werks museum.
I’m not a fan of Mustangs but this drive impressed me. Under track conditions and watching your feet I understand and and agree with left foot braking.
Omg water bottle under the pedal! This could have been a major disaster..
Yeah that could've ended very badly if he needed to brake.
Owner here. I emptied the car all around before the lap, that bottle was hiding under the seat for a longer while and I haven't realized it. We make mistakes and we learn...
@@filipjnc It's alright man, nobody got hurt which is the most important thing. *Car is safe too* ;)
The gap under the brake pedal even when fully pressed is still large enough to fit a bottle under it. Brake pedal doesn't go all the way to the floor, at least when it's working properly.
Damn that’s pretty.. the 10 speed is actually quick. Maybe not as fun tho. But the way cars are now. Auto is much better for lap times
I own a 19 GT PP1 A10 Mustang. Love seeing the A10 being put to road course use.
US audience here with an 850hp automatic GT. I’m with you on the two pedal thing. Much much faster when you’re racing.
what supercharger setup? any issues with engine or trans?
@@jonasbaine3538 ESS G3. No problems or issues to speak of.
"random people who have no clue about cars" Misha, that sums up 90% of the automotive scene in the US.
I'm not sure I would go that far, but I suppose you can think whatever you want about the United States car scene. It doesn't make it true.
Hasn't the US been famously car crazy for about 100 years? We also have more race tracks than any country in the world by a very wide margin.
And you're a random person so I'm going to assume you have no clue about cars. You see how this works?
Except mkent280…..he’s in the 10%. Can tell by his comment
Ironic, considering he has no idea to let the transmission do it's thing by itself in track mode, and is trying to paddle shift a non-dct auto like an ape.
I like that gearbox (I have it too), but it is not for track use for sure.
But Ford has a solution for that, buy the GT500 with dual-clutch. That’s their car meant to be on track a lot.
3:43 thank you my guy 👌🏿💯. Great video
Great video! Kudos from Atlanta GA.
In US, Diver''s Education really emphasizes that you should be using one foot with automatics, so I'm guessing that's why all the comments from US people about it. For most drivers, I'd agree. For professionals, no problems.
Chile, you nailed it.
For a drivers license, it's what they teach.
If you're Intermediate to Advanced driver for the track, you should know the benefits of left foot braking,
and 100%, you won't be critical or laugh at somebody for using it on track.
The comments just highlight their education and track driving experience.
"Noobs"
Also some autos won't let you press both gas and brake at the same time, they cut engine power and flash a warning sign on the dash. But yes left foot braking driftking style for track driving is a must!
Hey Misha, yes on the 10 Speed transmissions in the Mustangs in 6 gear there is some sort of limiter that has to be tuned out.
Weird! Good to know!
The gearbox works well when tuned, until it gets hot. It gets really laggy, but on the ring I doubt you’d feel that. It’s like a ZF trans
It’s very easy to make the GT a weapon on track, but stock is eh..
@@mgcharoudin The 10 speed in the camaro has better tuning/shift logic
He should put it in track mode in the sport mode setting to let the Trans do the work , ready pobst did that to get the most out of the Trans around a track
@@richardchen3647 that is track mode.
thumbs up to the owner for bring that Mustang to the green. i also left foot braking all the time back then when had fun late nite driving session around the mountain road with auto transmission front and rear wheel cars. it was young and dangerous era haha
Yeah this car seems pretty enjoyable on track. I've owned two GT350s and now have a '21 GT500 carbon fiber track pack car. I think you would love it. Definitely see if Tim will let you drive his car at some point. The dual clutch transmission is incredible. Brakes same. Wish I could bring mine over for a driving trip. You could take it on the Ring for sure. Need to look at car shipping to Germany from Florida.... haha.
Cool car. It has the performance. Remember that it is a GT car that performs like this. Very easy to make it better/more track focused if you wanted.
awesome! love this gen of the Mustang... a GT350 or GT500 should be something interesting
That sounded super sick. Nice driving.👊🏿👌🏿👍🏿👍🏿💯🇨🇦
Looks really good, I was surprised👌
Hey Misha, at 13:30 I think what you’re describing is pad fade, vs boiled fluid (which would cause the pedal to sink).
Also, I wonder if a tune could solve the rev limit in 6th?
Yep
And here I thought, in sim racing, me driving automatics with left foot braking as a default was a bad habit that I needed to fix! It just feels so much faster and easier
It’s not only sim racing. Race cars are like this. Formula 1 cars use both feet.
Go karts work this way because they are the fundamental of racing
I daily a ( mustang) GT Convertible; the hood does dance due to pressure buildup - I took care of mine creating an opening to vent the air/ pressure. It works. I still put hood pins on it.
The issue with 2 foot driving in the US is older people who ride the brakes all the time. We often see people going down the road with their brake lights on. On the street one foot driving is just fine. On the track I prefer 2 foot driving also no matter what transmission a car has. Great videos by the way!!
Since I got my first automatic gear car about 25 years ago I started breaking with the left foot. First just because I thought my left foot needed something to do and shouldn't be lazy, leaving all the work to the other. Then I noticed several advantages as Misha perfectly described. Mainly the faster response to unexpected situations. A tenth of a second CAN make a difference. Of course it took some training to getting used to it and receive the same feel for breaking power as in the right foot but from then it was smooth sailing. Wouldn't recommend switching between 1 and 2 foot driving though because in critical situations your brain could get confused and might give the wrong signal to your feet. I also understand this might not be for everyone. The first "tests" shouldn't be done on a public road during rush-hour.
I'm a Camaro guy, looking forward to that. But I really want to see how Shmee's GT500 Shelby does on the Ring...now THAT'S a Mustang!🤣🤣🤣as far as the feet cam, to me, as an American, they must be jealous of your ability to drive! Let's be honest, most Americans don't get well trained on how to drive. We give out drivers licenses like candy here! I wish we had a more difficult German/Euro means of training/testing drivers!
People still drive like absolute dogwater in Germany.
@@drogenfeld aggressive from what I hear
No, pls no Shmee anymore, guy doesnt let the pro drive, total tool.
@@drogenfeld Yeah but it's still one of the best in the world..?
@@drogenfeld really? I’ve yet to see or hear of that. Mostly it’s people with good driving etiquettes.
Best run I’ve ever seen in a Mustang very impressive car and of course driver.
I think its awesome that modern ATs and DCTs have the same shift logic and torque phases built in it. They arent as fast as DCT in shift speed but theyre damn close.
Nice objective review. Great to see any car being wrung out on the Nurburgring by a good driver. I think the whole stereotype that American cars can't turn is about 20 years out of date. Also, I rented a VW Passat a few months ago for a 300 mile trip and thought it was the worst handling car i've driven since the 90s.
100% correct.
20yrs out of date.
About the time of when the Corvette ZR1/Z06 & Viper ACR set impressive, respected lap times at Nurburgring.
It was also around that time that GM setup a test track in Michigan to replicate the variety of conditions of Nurburgring too.
..... Just checked... 2004, GM completed the $7M USD test track in Milford.
I would love to see a lap with gt500 when SHMEE150 brings it to the nurburgring
Heck of a run, I have virtually the same car in a 2022. Neat to see what it can do !
I have a 2021 Mustang GT with the 10 speed. You can adjust all of the shift points and rev limiters with HP tuners. From the factory for some reason they have every year above 5th shifting at 6750 rpm’s. I have set my engine rpm limit to 8k and all my shift points around 7600 and it is sooo much better.
I mean you easily reached 240km/h in some straights and it didn't feel threatening, like no problem. No this is a good racer.
I would love to see you drive a mach 1 or gt500 around the track next. The base gt is okay but those higher tier trims are so much better for track use. The mach 1 is especially interesting since it's a parts bin special but is a very good track car beating out the gt350s lap times. However that car does need the manual since it has the amazing tremec instead of the getrag manual and the auto is the same.
I'd love to!
mach1 on the same tire setup wouldn't beat post-facelift GT350s.
@@maximborodyuk3773 there is no post facelift gt350
@@alloush5995 well, it's the second "generation", with vodoo v.2 and bunch of other tweaks, quite a lot of them.
2019-2020 gt350's are "facelift" (though style wise pretty much nothing changed).
@@maximborodyuk3773 for the s550 mustang sixth gen, the face lift was only for all models like gt and ecoboost, but not the gt350 and gt350r. The 350’s didn’t receive any facelift or updates. Check online, you are mistaken. The 350’s are a completely different model and not updates from the gt. They stopped selling the 350’s 2020 due to the gt500. There is no vodoo v2, there is only one vodoo variant for the 350’s the other engines are the 5.0 coyote and 5.2 predator for the gt500 which is a cross plant crank engine where as the gt350 is a flat plane crank and thus revs higher .
Nice. Very impressive. Good sounds too. ✌
As someone else mentioned, you need to try the 350R. I'm not a huge mustang fan but that is the one! Loving the mix up of cars!
5.0 litres to get you moving, and just 0.5 to get you crashed ;)
It just feels weird watching the speedo of a Mustang in KPH 😆
It’s all I know in Canada 😅
I'm about to move to Germany and have to change mine to KMH. I hope my mustang will forgive me lol
Yeah, finally! I was w8ing for this
Appreciate the drive.
If only we knew a certain CZcamsr who is regularly on the Nurburgring and has a bright green GT500 on its way to Europe… hope we see it on the channel in the future!
You have to drive a manual. A pre facelift, with shorter gear ratios. For going fast in a straight line, like drag racing, the 10 speed auto is insane. But many people have issues with the facelift overheating.
What also helps is a different suspension and installing some stiffer bushings etc since stock isn't quite as sophisticated as european cars.
Also a GT350 would be fun to see. 5.2 Liter engine with 8250rpms.
fuel cuts at 8300 rpm in the GT350
Would love to
@@mgcharoudin I have a manual US model pre facelift. Aside from silencers it is fully stock, maybe I'll get around to visiting sometime.
Awesome video, love Mustangs! I wonder if the gearbox issue was something to do with the adaptive learning on the autos?
67 years old from South West Tennessee.
I have always used my left foot for braking an automatic.
The Gearbox is kinda weird. I drove a Mustang with that 10 Speed Automatic and after like 10km it was clear - if I really consider buying a Mustang, its gonna be a manual :D
Just know that the MT-82 transmission is FRAGILE and needs to be baby'd if you want to keep it for a while. Ive had one for two years, great engine, mediocre gearboxes
It’s not tuned for sport. You can get a tcu tune. It really helps a lot.
yeah, I tried both and decided to get an Alfa haha
I think the issue many have with driving with 2 feet is that they don't know how to do it (I think it's hard to apply the correct brake pressure with the left foot when you try for the first times).
True
that car did pretty good, the transmissions are a bit confused an soft shifting thats the converter there more meant for everyday driving.
Fun fact: Left foot braking saved my life in a recent accident. It’s so natural to me…that’s how I drive ALL automatic cars, with 2 feet! Especially because Americans don’t have the best driving etiquette (Grew up in Switzerland and spent a lot of time driving in Germany).
They’re just bitter ppl who can’t left foot brake, Misha. They don’t realize how much skill it takes to be able to do it.
Skill = brain capacity
Doesn't really take that much skill if you're used to it. I'm no racing driver by any means but I learned left foot braking since I was 13 and I did it by instinct, back then my dad used to have a spare car, it was an Automatic Camry and whenever He and my Mom is out for work I used to hop on that car and start it then give it some few revs, then eventually I finally got the courage to disengage the hand brake and put the gear to drive and instinctively my left foot is always on the brakes because I'm too scared that the car might lurch forward and hit our wall. I did that over and over for atleast a year, I was just doing backwards and forwards in our garage then eventually My Dad thought me how to drive and it was in that same car he told me to use my right foot only for the pedals so I did just that but I instinctively, I always used my left foot whenever I press the brakes and here in my country, back then you don't really need to go to driving school inorder to apply for a driving license you just need to pass the written exam and the driving test from from our transportation office so I didn't really have any problems with it, I'm now 26 and I still use both of my feet for driving.
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amazing video. great to see a stock mustang on this track with this driver.
Sick car! Looks like the handling is great but that early red line I disappointing. Thanks Misha and friend.
Im an old trucker left foot braker from the states. Watching you drive with both feet helps me understand the track better because we’re speaking the same language😂
Great video!
at Ron Fellows driving school for the C8 they explicitly tell you before your first track session to drive however you feel most comfortable, left foot braking or otherwise.
Okay, I'm an American and I do tend to drive with two feet in my 2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6 with an auto. The reason being, quicker responce time to apply the brakes or gas at any given moment, to enter and exit a corner as quickly as possible, and just plainly trying to eliminate any microseconds being wasted during transition between throttle and brakes. I drive in the California backroads where it's full of hills, winding roads, and some serious corners. The closest race tracks from where I live are Laguna Seca (90-100 miles) and Sonoma Raceway(~60 miles), they are a little too far for a weekend because I'm a busy guy at home, so I use the hills to and from work. The hills really did teach me some things and I continue to get better at driving on the hills. So yeah, two feet works great for me.
I have the performance package on my ‘21 S550 Mustang 5.0. Glad to know the base car is descent at the Ring. My wife will be excited to see our car isn’t just good at drag/roll racing!
This car is the same as your performance package
In Europe we don’t get the option of a base car
All we get is the performance package suspension and brakes with the upgraded interior
You are fast misha. No defense needed for using EVERY foot available. You are smoothe overall and remind me of the style of Sabine. I bet you are also legendary in a ford transit. Anyway, I'll be slowly working on a fox body 91-93 gt mustang. I'll run an aluminum 427 cube Windsor motor with 750 horse at the crank. T56 manual or maybe something sequential(I'm undecided as I'm a diehard H-pattern guy but sequential is quicker and more reliably so. Anyway, I'll look you up when it's ready
I drive my mustang with two feet sometimes, just have to make sure you aren’t resting your foot on the brake and can kind of make your leg tired but it’s a must on the track for sure
I am excited that you mentioned driving a Camaro in the future, mostly because I recently heard someone rant about how the ZL1 1LE is faster than any car short of a 911 GT3, and I want to know if it can handle its weight as well as he says it can.
Good video man
The new Z06 is going to be awesome. Cant wait for that one
I am officially catching up with two weeks worth of content rn. Will take me 4 hours or so but it will be worth it. Missed watching and commenting on your vids mate.
The transmission shifts so much nicer with a tune, I noticed some of the same stuff on mine until I got the tune.
Exactly. A tune makes a MASSIVE difference with the transmission. I got a Lund tune, which included a transmission tune, when I got my supercharger. The transmission is night and day better. It's all software choices from the factory, for fuel economy I am sure, nothing inherently wrong with the transmission itself. Also, from what I understand, the lower redline in 6th gear is actually to protect 7th gear when shifting from 6th, which is the weakest gear in the transmission. As far as I know, anyway.
With the tune the shifts are very quick and hard when ripping it, it feels like a dual clutch. Yet the shifts are slower, smoother, and less jerky, when driving normal, especially when downshifting coming to a stop. It also doesn't drop as many gears when going to pass someone on the highway with moderate gas pedal inputs. The stock transmission tune loved to drop an excessive number of gears when passing (there are 10 after all), making it seem like you are driving like a hooligan when you aren't. There is SO much torque, especially with the supercharger, it makes no sense to drop so many gears when passing. The transmission with the tune matches all that torque so much better! Only downshifting fully when you are truly asking for it. I wish it shifted like this from the factory! And when the car is deciding when to shift for itself in normal mode, no more skipping gears either, which makes the car feel more responsive at all times. The car doesn't skip gears in sport and above modes, even with the stock tune. Love the throttle blips when downshifting too, sounds so good. The Mustang GT is a fabulous car.
The way I have upgraded the Magneride suspension and with the supercharger, my car now has supercar levels of performance, straight line and in the curves, and it does it effortlessly. The engine is superb. The handling is superb. The Brembo brakes are superb. For the money it is one of the best performing ICE cars, if not THE best ICE car you can get... again for the money. Including electric in the mix, the Tesla Model 3 Performance, and the Mustang GT, are the best performance cars out there for the price one can buy. In my opinion. Love these cars. I just bought the Tesla M3P recently to be my daily driver... love having an insane supercharged V8 track (not dragstrip) oriented car AND an insane electric daily that is every bit as fun! I love how different they each are in driving experience! They compliment each other perfectly.
One bit of advice for people who think they might want a supercharger with the auto transmission at some point, the 3.55 final drive gear is too aggressive, 1st through 4th gears are WAY too short with a supercharger, for example. Good luck putting the power down with 3.55s and a supercharger! It is an insane amount of power. Better to go with the 3.35 gear. My only regret is the 3.55 gears. But I had not planned on getting a supercharger when I bought the car, so it is what it is. 3.55 is perfect for the stock 460hp power.
@@shank2001 I purposely didn't get the 3:55 gears because of the close ratios the 10 speed has. I plan on upgrading to a supercharger or twin turbo setup later, but right now I have two other car projects in the works.
kerb weight for the manual 5.0 is meant to be in the 1680kg (base GT) - 1755kg (Mach1) range. It's heavy, but an F82 M4 is 1600kg and E92s are in the 1620-1640kg range, so its not huuugely heavier than those ringtool favourites. I'd be interested to hear Misha's take on this.i think it would make a great base with the right coilovers, arms, bushings, diff, wheels and tyres. Needs the schirmer treatment!
7:45 not sure if Misha was talking about the car but the aerodynamics although don’t seem good, it actually has low drag cd 0.32 A 2sqm CdA 0.64. One of the most aerodynamics sports cars in the world is the Nissan Gtr which again doesn’t look so, Cd .27 CdA .54. CdA gives the total airdrag while Cd is drag over frontal area.
great video!!!
Love the Mustang ♥️
The whole two foot gas/braking thing is something that freaks out a lot of people. It's actually how I learned to drive (in the US) before I started taking "driver's education" classes at 17 yrs old. I used to own some really crap cars and trucks and many times one would stall at idle (for various reasons) but with two feet you can put it in neutral and keep the revs up while braking. When I got involved with road racing it was only natural to use both feet at times to keep the car stable under certain conditions.
Good driving there! Thank you for pointing out how bad the shifts are on the 10r80 if you enjoy manual shifting. One of the reasons I sold my 2018 GT pp1, it’s good gearbox for straight line/roll races because it allows the car to be consistently at peak rpm after each shift which this engine is good at, other than that I absolutely hated it, it’s a slow, lazy and unpredictable transmission when it comes to shifting with paddles. Also in your video the car has Rev limiter/speed limiter from the factory if you are in paddle mode and hit over 200km/hr it’ll kick in and stop you from going faster. Same as in automatic once you hit 250km/hr it’ll kick in the speed limiter. Speaking from experience I had the car for 4.5 years! And the car is a pp1. The pp2 only comes with the mt82 not the 10r80
Definitely not slow? Did you watch the video the guy was literally smashing by and gripping it with no problems. You must either not be able to drive or your just lying. He literally said it’s a good track hood but it could be better.
I love the 10speed automatic in my 2022 GT performance
I'm pretty sure that rev limiter in 6th is programed in on purpose. The 10 speeds are pretty good boxes and they gap the manuals
Beautiful GT
I was taught that you should have a full harness for two foot driving to prevent unintended acceleration input from the G-forces while braking. Harness will prevent your body from going forward and your right foot along with it. That was from an AMG factory driver during a few AMG Academy track courses…maybe they just didn’t want n00bs trying it haha
The ten speed 5.0 Mustang is the beat car I've ever owned by far. There is simply nothing this Mustang can't do.
Another great video Misha (I hope you make a video with that red Datsun Z car in yesterday's video)
I wonder if the V8 Mustang GT is de-tuned in Europe, because here in the states, the Gen 3 Coyote 302 is rated @ 485 HP, versus 435 for Gen 1 & I think Gen 2.
It's a great engine for US driving, although I found the 10 speed automatic to be disappointing when trying to get power but on the open highway, it's fine.
I'm old & have driven every generation Mustang. Personally I'm partial to my 1985 GT convertible which had a 2.88 "freeway flyer" rear gear & a wide ratio Borg Warner T-5 5 speed transmission.
I also really liked the standard 1994 GT with a 5 speed.
As for 2 foot driving with an automatic, I think it's just force of habit to use only 1 foot.
I daily a manual trans car, which even at my age I prefer manual but my truck is an automatic & I always have my left foot planted on the foot rest. But granted, this is normal road driving.
As an s550 owner myself,I laughed my ass off when you mentioned the hook shaking..that's normal they all do that😂