Will LeBron Ever be Considered a Mythical Sports Figure? | THE ODD COUPLE
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss what to make of LeBron James' legacy and wonder if he'll be held in a mythical regard as other great players that have come before him, including in other sports.
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Millennial here and Jordan is the GOAT
Because there is always the first half and end half of generation and he just clumped us all together.... 1991 here
Watch a Jordan mixtape. People really fail to realize, Jordan was must-see-tv. Not to mention he play all 82 games 11-13 times.
@@KNByam are you reading and comprehending? We both agree and saw Jordan play... you people are so eager with your assertions.. comprehend first..
Chris got me fucxed up...1987....give a Fucc about LeBron
KNByam...... Why you don't tell the whole story? why you keep things hidden? Jordan took a break , he was out for a whole season and a half.
6 finals loses is nothing to romanticize. Kobe and Jordan were better idc
Facts
What’s a better a first round loss or a finals loss?
@@RetroNBA42 lebron has both so who cares
🤣🤣🤣
@@RetroNBA42 it’s hard to argue with the ignorant
Jordan never had confetti fall on his head while the other team celebrated.
He went to the final six time and won now those other year he couldn't get his team to the finals he was sit his azz at home watching the confetti drop his career is more than 6 years 🤦
@@DevanteBrown-md3rv that goes for everybody besides you don’t get participation trophies maybe LeBron does. Clutch is when you get to the big dance you make it count.
@@DevanteBrown-md3rv how many get their trophies did LeBron get? With that logic the Buffalo Bills are the greatest football team of all time they went to the Super Bowl four straight years with zero rings.
@@DevanteBrown-md3rv13 full seasons and accomplished more than Lebron in 21 years
Ali lost fights and no one remembers that because he fought the best and never ducked anyone.
I personally don’t put too much stock into somebody’s opinion about MJ if they weren’t even alive to watch him play.
Kobe's not mythical
I'm a millennial and Kobe is my favorite player ever. With that said, Jordan is still considered the goat to me. I just think most people can't be unbiased when it comes to their favorites.
I feel the same way.
It takes off the court stuff as well to be mythical, LeBron is the 2nd best player out of Kobe, Mj and him but his personality, hypocrisy and trashy fanbase makes him no where close to the other 2.
Same
Kobe is not in the conversation.......AT ALL! Y'all millennials really didn't eat h Kobe smh
@@zumpttDo you really want to compare off the court stuff with those 3?
There’s nothing mythical about constantly switching teams, firing coaches, and using your agency to pressure teams into making trades to help you. And after all that he still lost in the Finals SIX TIMES!!!
True but there was something mythical about 2018
Yep
@@ucheakusobi6281A finals sweep?
@@ucheakusobi6281that boat sailed in 2015 when he had the Warriors on the ropes without Kyrie and Love. I remember thinking “he might really do it!”, but he got “tired” and fell flat.
Lebron chased Jordan , he didn’t care how many teams it took , or how many coaches 🤡
Even jordans ball head silhouette is iconic
Not Le whatever ASTRO turf head????
I don’t think these guys understand that millennials basically saw Jordan‘s whole career or at least 90s Jordan. It’s Gen Z that did not live the Jordan era.
Only the older millennials in their 40s now. If you didn't see 80s Jordan then you didn't really get to see Jordan. Air Jordan was made in the 80s. He had that young man energy. He dunked on everything!
@@drieey 90s Jordan was a master of his craft since he relied more on his game than on his athleticism. Either decade he was amazing.
@musicotensai yes he was but you had to see his build up to greatness to really appreciate it. His air Jordan era was legendary- the tongue wagging, the driving to the hoop, the hanging in the air was what made him epic even before he won anything.
@drieey without 90s Jordan there would be no jordan it's a ridiculous argument. Gen Z got issues
@@drieey 80's Jordan was for sure his physical peak. He actually declined physically quite a bit by the mid 90's but his starting point was so high it didnt matter.
I’ve watching basketball since 78. I’ve never seen any athlete like Michael Jordan. It’s not even close as much as the new generation likes to think it is it’s not and the media is scared to say it unless you watch a podcast that’s not clutch sports. Just the eye test alone, nothing like him ever, his dominance has never been a player that dominated a decade like him watching CZcams videos does not do it justice. You have to be there and live in that time. To get the full experience.
So well said!
Steph is more mythical than Lebron
Ya I mean at first hearing it I was like naw but he literally redefined what a bad shot is. Like I don't think almost anyone thought you could have his shot selection being what it is at the volume that he shoots it while still being all time efficient. When he started off the 2015-2016 season the way he did I was stunned. I was like "this dude is on pace to make 400 threes!" 120 over his own record, and he did it, multiple times. He made a first ballet hall of famer look completely foolish in Chris Paul numerous times.
@@zackarykasprzak3073 crazy work
Mythical? Yes; Mythical as Jordan? No
One guy won the Finals 6 times
One guy lost the Finals 6 times
Why would we treat them the same?
How much seasons did Jordan play? How much times did he go to the finals? well i guess if u only have one brain cell in these conversations then I would understand why U only see things from one way. As a Owner Lebron had brough more money to ur areana than Jordan ever was and lets put How much assists Lebron has over Jordan means people eat when Lebrons is playing If Jordan played in this era and did the things he was doing back then yall would not like him as much as yall Glaze him
@@RyuujinJakka-kt7peif LeBron played in the west he wouldn’t have that many finals appearances. No one cares.
Almost half Lebron career was in the finals 🤨
@@Rosecain27Same can be said for Jordan. More skilled players in Lebron era 🤷🏾♂️. 2016-2019 Warriors didn’t exist
@@marquisgreen4701 fair enough. It’s subjective dude I was just watching LeBron old highlights and best games. Rookie season was insane out of high school. The 25 straight game against Detroit. The game 6 in Boston 2012. The 3-1 against the 73 win GSW. I mean dude is incredible. He’s just so unlikeable 😂😭
He's too present. One of the keys to becoming a mythical figure is literal absence and mystery. He talks too much and people see him too much. The more absent you are, the less you talk, the less people see you, when they do see you. There's going to be a literal Aura around you. And it doesn't mean he's not good enough to be mythical, it's literal his presence and absence. That's a problem
Denzel had that until he started talking too much
Denzel still has that.... @@ahmorgan
Well stated
Media talks about him more than he himself talks
Tgis is very true.
Pre Miami Heat Lebron had a chance to be that, but is destroying his imagine with all his BS antics. Stomping your feet like a child, flipping, no sportsmanship after he loses, blames his teammates for everything and doesn’t take accountability, unless he gets called out for it. FT advantage is one of the most mind boggling stats I’ve ever seen. How can one team take 1200 more FT’s than their opponents and 2nd place only has 340? NBA isn’t even trying to hide how much they are trying to protect his legacy
LeBron will NEVER reach mythical status… too many flops, too many Finals loses, too many uncalled traveling violations, and too many flat footed defensive efforts, too many lack of effort instances. When the owner of your own team questions your efforts in the Finals, you’ve been exposed. Who here *REALLY* thinks LeBron could’ve ever pulled off MJ’s infamous “Flu Game” during the Finals? That’s what makes MJ mythical
The flopping and complaining, lack of accountability, and his hypocrisy. Nope
Getting drunk is not the flu lmao
Jordan was promoted crazy by the media lol my own dad who is 60 years old said to me the other day has Jordan ever got blown out in a playoff game ? Why are they comparing ant to Jordan lmao and I laughed like wow they really brainwashed ppl bad lol of course Jordan has got blown out in the playoffs before but it was funny that he even asked that
@boonebeasley9622 Soooo...your dad makes a comment and you equate that to brainwashing by the media? Nah...thats just a comment...lol
@@boonebeasley9622oh my that’s bad😂😂 how did Jordan reach this point when there’s literally record of everything he did in the league
The only thing mythical will be how did he get in the goat convo with 6 loses
Because he took 3 different teams to the championship that mythical in it self no superstars left teams an won championship in the next location
😂😂😂 for real he gives up all time , not me I did my job
@@powskipowskii304Why did he switch teams and fire coaches so damn much?
@@blaketindle4703 For One the GM job is to get they star players more help to win championships in which Cleveland GM didn’t do that so a free agent went to another team what the problem most people want him to stay and keep losing in Cleveland while Boston trade for Ray and KG….Ty Lue got a job Frankie V got a job Mike brown got a job he done so much with rookies coaching Mj couldn’t lead 3 different coaches to a championship let not forget Phil had to tell Mj in order for you to win you have to trust your team no coach had to tell that to lebron he the system
@powskipowskii304 that's actually an argument against Lebron. If MJ played GM and teamed up with Hakeem, shaq, Malone, etc he would have 8-10 rings. Staying with one team, through builds and rebuilds is harder.
Broussard is trynna work for Klutch now🤣🤣
He’s the chairman
He desperately wants the checks Nick Wright is getting!😂
NO he has damaged the image of the nba with his awful antics, his passive aggressive attitude and his lack of competitive drive, always stacking up teams with superstars and jumping ships whenever things go bad
nah once you take your emotion out of it his story from beginning to end will be seen as alien
That’s KD😂
Smh lack of drive? Stop it with these bs narratives.
😂😂😂😂😂 u sound dumb
@@TheKondinhoyou can’t be the goat with losing record in finals that’s ridiculous man
No, Jordan is the one and only GOAT of the nba. Everyone went home to watch a bulls game like it was an event
I was born in the 80s from Dayton ohio. The jordan comparison from a ohioan stopped when he went to Miami instead of being patient
Impatient or was being robbed of his prime by incompetent front office
@@wokeprodigy3718 he entered his prime. He had 10 12 plus years ahead of em at that point
The thing people don’t understand is this. It’s not the talent of competition jordan beat. Those guys were all talented yes and the people Lebron have faced were talented but it was with the sheer determination jordan beat others .
LeBron does not have the awe factor when you watch him play, when you watched Jordan play you changed your facial expression, LeBron just knocked you over to score.
Mythical: Hulk Hogan, Jackie Robinson, Jesse Owens, Ali, Michael Jordan, Jim Brown, Babe Ruth, Gretzky, Bruce Lee (fringe: Reggie Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Bill Russell, Joe Montana)
Helluva List!!!Hard to Deny Any!
You forgot Lawrence Taylor
Kobe? didn't you listen what they said? not only Lebron is second best, he's approaching to be the GOAT , how can you be mythical if you're not even considered second best all time for people?
This is a good one. I agree.
& Tiger 🐯
SERIOUSLY what has Lebron really done that’s so legendary??? Scoring leader? Kareem and Karl Malone were never thought of as the GOAT…. 25 ppg average and 4 Championships? I’ll take Kobe over that, we’re not even at MJ.
Colorado
Don’t forget the 4 finals mvps I’ll take that over Kobe
@@nav9867 4*
@@nav9867 Hu? He won his supposed "4th" ring after having 6 mths off. C'mon man. He ain't MJ ok and he never will be. He's 4-8 in the play-offs to now. Out of the play-offs this year in the first round.
Facts
Most people wanted to be like Mike, I don't hear anyone wanting to be like Lebron
I know, isn't it funny.
More people wanted to be like Kobe and Steph than Lebron, across all sports.
I don’t wanna be like Mike. I don’t want my personal opinions to be suppressed so I can get corporate money.
@@j-short5431 That is why nobody should idolize or look up to any celebrity and treat them different as if they're from another plane. Remembering Lebron and the whole NBA during the HK controversy makes me feel disgusted. Not just basketball players but actor/actress, authors, politicians, etc. The only people you should be looking up to are your parents and grandparents.
@@zxcvb3772 and what did LeBron do during the Hong Kong controversy?
Naw too many finals losses
Even with the losses he still made it to 10 finals appearances 2nd behind Bill something that ain’t never been done
Jerry west,Elgin baylor,all Celtics from 60s yes been done many times
@@powskipowskii304 that’s even worse when you break it down. He went ten times and only got 4 rings. Lebron fans love stats and percentages except when it comes to final losses. Then you mention ten straight but leave out what was done to make that happen. Things that mj never had to do. He’s a great player he’s just not mythical or the goat. I believe my own eyes. Sorry
@el8233 He played extremely well in some of those finals. Most players never compete for one. And basketball is a team game.
@@Jalenlane93 didn’t play well enough. And exactly it’s a team game when he takes an l but gets all the credit when he wins. Just like the guy that responded to me said HE made it to 10 straight final appearances. As if he didn’t need the other players to get there. Cmon y’all what makes Jordan mythical is that he’s never lost in the finals and two three peats something Lebron will never do. The warriors couldn’t even threepeat. Stop being fans and think for yourself.
Kobe better then Lebron
Mythical : 2pac , Michael Jackson , Ali , Bruce Lee , Michael Jordan , Babe Ruth , Wayne Gretzky , Wilt Chamberlain
The mythical players in American sports are MJ. Babe Ruth, and Wayne Gretzky.
Legends leave something better than they found it. You can’t say that about Lebron.
I mean to be fair though, the Bulls have been stinking it up ever since MJ left😂
@@leetraviusmckay2.066he meant where the league is. You missed the point not surprised though you must be an LBJ fan and IQ is not you people are known for
@@HZB_33😂😂😂😂😂 💯
@@HZB_33 lmao I got MJ over Lebron. Funny how you MJ sexuals are just as bad as the Lebron ones
@@HZB_33 funny how you think im a Lebron fan when I got MJ over him. Mj sexuals are just as bad as the Lebron ones, your getting emotional over a little joke
It's not possible for him to be more mythical than Jordan. Especially in the social media era where your flaws are magnified. In most people's minds, Jordan will always be the flawless entity that went 6 for 6 in NBA finals appearances. He was already considered the goat before winning his 3rd championship ring. How can anyone compete with that??
They can’t . And the best part is… any great player gets compared too him , and he ain’t gotta say nothing . He never replies . He’s truly
Mythical
Even with “social media “, where were you gonna find “flaws” with Two THREEPEAT? Just asking
What's funny is they say Lebron supposedly the goat but no one is comparing Anthony Edwards to him, no, they comparing him to Jordan!!!
@@gnnacharles1 Exactly - sports writers actually were brutal back in the day, people dont realise that the Jazz were favs over the bulls in Jordans last two finals because people thought every year would be Chicago's last on top and they had to lose soon. But they didnt.
Jordan is legendary because what he achieved was so impossible and heroic it was like it had been movie scripted.
@@poocrayon4588 thank you
How his kicks don't even sell lmao
The Nike outlets are full of them
bruh, no one is gettin jacked for their LEzesty's.😅😅😅
Nike doesn't give out life time endorsement deals to guys that don't sell sneakers 😂😂
LMAOOOOO
U can’t base everything on the Jordan standard. Wilt is a mythical figure but his shoes aren’t in the convo. Granted, he didn’t have shoes, but u don’t need to be a carbon copy of Jordan to have your legacy imprinted
No one feared Lebron, except Toronto
Indiana, the warriors, all of the eastern conference 😂
@xtreme97 indiana definitely didn't fear him or the warriors didn't fear him tf is u smoking 😂
DeRozan and Lowry 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xtreme97the warriors beat his ass LMAO
Wayne, the Great One, Gretzky??
Pele??RIP 👑⚽️🙏🏾
Thank you 🙏
Hockey is too small of a sport and Pele is just viewed that way in certain parts of the world.
Exactly
I was just thinking this!
Yes.
To Jordan’s credit, I spoke to a person from a country in the middle east who was not a sports fan whatsoever. They did not know who LeBron or Kobe was but knew Jordan. I will say It’s harder for LeBron to be as mythical as Jordan because during his peak was an era when everything he did was on display for criticism in the media. Even your average joe in life can disguise themselves as an analyst or within the media just with simply tweeting. Jordan never had that level of burden. Jordan’s flaws, even if covered, did not have the reach as LeBron’s. Kobe I believe is mythical especially after his passing, but Kobe sorta only played at his peak during this media boom era for maybe 4 years?? As compared to LeBron has for a decade or more
You're over thinking it. I's not about eras. Lebron has 1 legendary accomplishment (the Cleveland ring). He might play 30 years and that would be somewhat mythical. Lebron is a media creation. He's nowhere near MJ's impact. The only athlete I've seen on MJ's level (and he was bigger than MJ) is Ali.
Trust me, Kobe is mythical in Asia. They love that dude over there.
Asterisk. crying to have Green unfairly suspended in the finals was cheating. And Kyrie was the guy that won it for Cleveland@@universityoffree
Pele, Maradona, Messi-the disrespect towards football whenever the greatest of all time (GOAT) talks from all sports are mentioned in this show is overlooked.
Mythical… Montana
I think the guys are talking from the perspective of wider American culture. Football has gained traction in the last few decades for sure. But its not really an American sport.
Those lads you mentioned are at the top of any discussion regarding sporting greats. No arguments!
+Montana, Brady, Tiger, Gretzky
Culturally, we, in the US don't care about soccer.
FACTS
Nope, Kobe Bryant and Steph Curry have more natural aura and charisma. These 2 players inspired the next generation of athletes (not just basketball player) way more than Lebron James have.
Dumb segment question . Jordan is 6-0 that is mythical. Broussard be honest .. how many players did they ask 150 ? Come on dude
No and it has very little to do with his actual basketball career. Social media today just makes us much closer to these players, we feel like we know them in and out. Everything we knew about MJ back then was either what the traditional media reported in the papers and on radio, or through documentaries. MJ couldn’t randomly post his breakfast or favorite album on his story, hence why older players got this “mythical” aura to them
Honestly it's still the same because he's not online or constantly on the media. He's kept up the mystique pretty well
@@RobJarrell63 I mean he’s 55+ I have a hard time imagining he knows how to even post on social media, hence the mystique lives on
It's not like Lebron has to act like a passive agressive teenage girl on social media. He doesnt have to post anything.
There's some aspect of perfection or near perfection that goes with someone reaching mythical status. For example, Jordan is undefeated in every championship game or series he ever played in. Jordan is 11-0 in Fiba, Olympics, NCAA and NBA championship game(s)/series. Jordan was only
outscored in a playoff series one time by one point. Bill Russell is undefeated in game 7's and won 13 titles in 16 basketball seasons. Stuff like that
is what those guys have on their resumes. LeBron doesn't have something like that on his resume. Dominating a weak eastern conference for 8 seasons
doesn't quite cut it.
Exactly.
If he stayed with Cleveland all 4 chips and was the key reason he won them. Yes. But with the way all these new players are emerging. I think they’ll take over.
Yep, if Ant gets the chip this year, if Wemby gets a better team around him soon - they both have the potential to be at least as "mythical" as LBJ, maybe even more
If Lebron had his same resume but it had all been done in Cleveland then there would be a legit goat argument because of the extra pressure of delivering for the home town team. Once he quit on Cleveland there was no potential for a real debate.
If he hit the ray Allen shot or Kyire shot of won with just him in 2015 he would be
Doesn't have 4 chips
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 3.5
I've seen MJ's whole career and LeBron's whole career. Jordan was a true killer. Lebron hasn't been a true killer for most of his career. Remember, he (Lebron) takes credit for having to pass the ball and leading the narrative that at the end he actually should pass the ball. And thats subjective. But as a fan as we all should be talking about this subject. Jordan took pride in being the one that took that shot. Kobe as well took pride on this. Remember Kobe was LB's favorite player. Just like Jordan was Kobe's favorite player. As humans, we are only as good as we come up against. Thats facts.
And of course most of the time he should not have passed the ball. In high pressure circumstances that was Not "the right basketball play".
Jordan never had confetti fall on his head while the other team celebrated.
Remember when Chuck said on national tv that he would slap anyone from media on the spot who says Lebron is greater than MJ? That was after the 2018 nba finals when lebron clearly quit on his team and chuck was so pissed about it. Grant Hill and Steve Smith was in the panel at that time and both agreed with chuck that Bron quit. It never happened with MJ.
People will look past bron decades from now and still say Mike was the standard. The more people really look into it bron will be a joke compared to everyone else.
But the older generation was recognizing MJ as the GOAT back then. Like Bill Walton, Marv Albert, Bob Costas, Bobby Knight. So I disagree. LeBron hasnt really done anything extraordinary to legitimately pass MJ. So I dont see it. Sure you'll have your Nick Wrights but majoriry will still say MJ
Even Red Auerbach had Jordan #1 over Russell.
I knew.. Chris is deqd wrong the all did... It's usually the other way around... Like dudes who a4 old enough to see mj aren't saying lebron is be53 except prisoner kf the moment, the media, and rhose on the klurch check
yep - it was widely talked about in the early 90's after his first championship.
why would he? there was never a stretch of dominance like jordan had. that what makes him so special, he refused to let others beat him. unlike bron.
Never a stretch of dominance 8 str8 finals appearance 27 game win streak MVP four out of 5 years should have been unanimous MVP got robbed of one vote u people just be talking and hating and they robbed him of defense player of the year keep hating tho
@@donjuan3793 bro i love bron, i love love love his game and his career. i wear his jersey every week to the gym. watch every playoff game of his. its truly a blessing to see him play. BUT jordan is so iconic. he is the definition of the GOAT. he is synonymous with winning. unlike bron who never dominated the whole league like jordan did, its simply factual. i even like bron more as a person but its just facts bro, straight facts. there will never be an argument. jordan is the GOAT, bron is best of the rest. he distanced himself from magic bird kareem and kobe but he isn't pushing jordan, not even close.
@@donjuan3793
Having a stretch over the WEAK EAST with Super Teams is not dominating.
@@hamira1696 I never said Bron was pushing MJ I got him number 2 as well u said it was never dominance I just seen that as BS to keep it real with you
@@donjuan3793listen listen listen
He went to 10 straight out of the West?
Exactly lol
Leastern conference for a decade, and that’s a popular take 😅
What's mythical about Jordan, Kobe, Ali are the stories we hear or watch from other people. Either from their peers, opponents, all those insane and awe inspiring stories we read or watch about them solidify why people put them to these pedestals.
Sure we hear stories about players saying LeBron works hard, takes care of his body, but most if not all great athletes do that. It goes without saying, that's what make them great in the first place.
Countdown from 50 while scoring, Dream and Redeem team stories, Ali backing up his trashtalks we hear about. Those things are what separates the mythical from the legends.
I wish I could debate Broussard, Sharpe, Wright, and Cowherd, among others, about this GOAT thing. They take all of LeBron's accomplishments and elevate him to #1 or #2. They don't criticize his negatives, which they routinely do with other GOAT eligibles. If LeBron didn't have serious negatives, he would be #1 or #2. But his glaring negatives drop him down to 7,8, or 9!
You’re welcome to call into the radio show
They don’t criticize his negative you must don’t see he get blame for not taking out the lakers trash after games 🤣
@@powskipowskii304 Most turnovers in NBA history. Most finals losses in NBA history. Losing finals record. Epic NBA Finals choking vs Dallas and San Antonio. That's the bad. The ugly is incessant flopping!
@@choward5430 Most point in nba history regular season and playoffs most playoff wins lead both teams in points rebounding assists steals blocks mins played while averaging a triple double in the finals….Most losses in the finals is Jerry west is 9 with a 1-9 record but lebron is worse but let me guess we’ll Jerry ain’t being call the goat 🐐 but his record is worse then lebron…Dallas beat Kobe and KD that year too but kobe and kd didn’t choke to Dallas but they lost too….lebron a flopper….so is curry harden CP3 Luka Jamal Murray and Joker but they get a pass for they flopping on 3 point shot going to the lane…when we see lebron get foul they don’t call when all y’all see is the reaction aw he crying to much go to replay see the foul in slow motion well he gotta play through it like huh 🤣🤣🤣
He is certainly top 10 but unclear veyond that. He has a funny style of playing and really doesn't work with other players. With other good players anyway. They all have to sacrifice for him, that's not true of the other greatest players.
Chris Broussard true colors starting to come out as LeBron’s career wanes and gets evermore less impressive. At heart, he’s a LeBron homer.
Facts!! It's been obvious for years.
Bron career will be analyzed once he retires, and many people will remember the antics, the stacking of teams, and losses.
Once the media moves on, he will fall in the category with Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Russell. Kobe and Bird. Where he belongs.
Look at the media now, they are ready to promote Anthony Edwards and the first person they compare him to is MJ. Let that sink in.
I think Curry story will age better than Bron. I agree Curry has a chance to be mythical.
Exactly you can’t compare nobody to bron because he’s freaking too good , he’s 1 of 1 , where as Jordan isn’t .. We will never see a second coming of Lebron
@@CorleoneSoup Naw you're 1 of 1 when they are still trying to replace you and you've been retired for 20 years. Think about it. Kobe, Khawhi, now Ant. Many more.
By your logic, you can say we never seen another Wilt, Shaq, Magic. I'll even say Bird and Barkley are anomalies but as great as all them were. They weren't MJ and that's okay. Bron top 5, top 10. Great player but not the GOAT.
@@CorleoneSoup
Thank god for that
@@CorleoneSouplmao keep smoking whatever you’re smoking 😂😂
@@Carvis23 it’s evident you’re not familiar with the game , the second coming of wilt & magic is literally Lebron , he encapsulated all of them tht what makes him 1 of 1 , do your research .. & secondly Howard was considered the second coming of Shaq early on b4 all the antics & dirk was for bird , like literally do your research
Jordan is among the few players that even if you were fan of the other team you still wanted to watch him play and doing something spectacular that you haven't seen before.
Even the other players in the league wanted to watch him play and they were like " ohhhh wow !!!, first time I've ever saw that move "
Millennials are with Jordan easily. The next generation is with Paul George 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He doesn't have the aura of a Jordan, Gretzky, Messi, etc. ... objectively. He just doesn't.
Ali?
That’s false lol he’s one of the best athletes ever nobody knows who Wayne Gretzky is outside the U.S
@@cj2times955
How long did it take you to poll the entire world?
Just curious
“Aura” how old are you dog😭
@@cj2times955 This is one of the dumbest statements anybody has ever made about sports. Genuinely. Gretzky is Canadian, and he's an icon in Canada, so... that already proves you wrong, but also, hockey is international. Worldwide, people love hockey. And Gretzky is universally considered the GOAT and there's really no argument for anybody else. So massive L for you.
Chris…PLEASE let Rob talk WITHOUT interrupting him
"nurses shoes" 😂😂
There was a Brazilian by the name of Pele that is in that conversation he played soccer ⚽️
MJ has not been a very public person, especially after his playing ended. That has lended to his maintaining a kind of aura around him.
He was highly public during his career, he was interviewed and all over TV and endorsing everything in adbreaks constantly. He was ever present not some recluse.
@poocrayon4588 - The commercials and endorsements were just his working. You did not see Mike doing speaking engagements, walking red carpets at big social events, doing political endorsements, or social advocacy. He did not do much of movies, tv, or music. He did not appear to be a big-time partier. He has almost no social media footprint.
Saying MJ is not very public is not saying he or she is a recluse. It means that you have not seen him indulge all of the facets of fame that someone of his position might choose to partake in. And because of that, it has created some degree of mystery and intrigue about who and what he really is.
@@blackurustrikes2328 He did TV constantly - he was always interviewed on late night and day time shows like Oprah. He did Space Jam which was a big deal.
MJ was very public during his career.
@poocrayon4588 - He did a few talkshows. But it was mostly just marketing. He was not trying to be a public figure or influencer. And as successful and popular as Space Jam was, it was the only feature movie he did. Mike could have done much more in media than he has done.
This dude literally said they changed the rules to stop Wilt and he didn’t win enough with a straight face. They literally changed the freaking rules to stop him homie 😂😂😂
Thinking about what u said i agree Cuz that’s not usual and it’s like a myth that u never thought people could do gotta change the rules to stop you… hard to get better than that
If that was the case it would’ve happened by now MJ was mythical when he was still in his prime it just grew when he retired
No I don't look at LeBron James is mythical he just another above average player I don't dream about but Michael Jordan me living in Chicago I think of all the success and game-winning shots he has won in the championship in playoffs a legend Michael Jordan the goat
Pele, Messi, Ronaldo, and Wayne Gretzky (in Canada) are mythical also, i would argue Kobe, and Tiger Woods.
No. Next question. Mythical players don't crap the bed like Lebron in the 2011 Finals
The thing with MJ is, how many moments he had that you went 🤯? Dunks, layups, clutch moments. In addition, all the accolades and then you add the championships.
If Steph finds a way to win another chip before he retires he will officially be regarded as the best player in his era and the better winner over Lebron
Those 35+ yrs olds are done winning. Curry and LeBron can't break top 5 in the standings
Dude made it to 10 finals. Amazing!
He only won 4 rings. Puzzling!!
Shortened season 66 games
Ray Allen dagger saved the Heat
Kyrie 40 piece draymond susp.
AD bubble shortened season
He Lost to Dallas SA GS each team had a superstar with all star role players and he get criticized for Dallas one out of the 6 losses why not criticize the other ones ???
@@thewintersoldier383if we doing that Scotty is the mine reason Mj goes to 6 championships
@@powskipowskii304 he helped but he never scored 40 and did as much as AD and Kyrie. Ever.
Yeah he did but won four with a sweep and lots of melt downs
passive aggressive, constantly making excuses, trying to find the easiest route to a chip. Nothing mythical about that, we know a ton of people like this in our lives
They still make video games, commercials, documentaries, etc about Jordan 20 plus years later. His shows are still top dog. Jordan’s mythology is still strong. He’s still that guy. They won’t let us forget.
Also, Chris, stop talking about Wemby changing the goat conversation. He’s literally done nothing.
Half our Millennial generation glazes and half are the biggest haters. Hard to say what the reputation of lebron will be long term. He’s more polarizing than the political climate.
I get what you're saying but at the same time he's more polarizing cause people are being payed to say all good things about him and everyone knows this I think when is all said and done he's probably going to be the most unliked superstar cause of his antics, his unaccountable ways, joining super teams, throwing his teammates under the bus, getting coaches fired, and much more to even consider him an icon or a legend cause of the rodes he took
You’re a millennial saying Glaze 🤡
Lebron lost the millenials in 2011 💯
Yup
Winning = jordan
Accomplishments = jordan
Entertainment value = jordan
Impact = jordan
Market value = jordan
Honestly, the dude set the bar too high its unfair to be compared to him.
Brou points to the aesthetics of Jordan’s game. It is so true.
It was his balletic athleticism that caught a person’s eye.
THEN he backed it up w a relentless passion to be a winner.
Gretzy, Jim brown, and Mike Tyson are in the conversation
Good call. I remember listening to my Dad talk about Jim Brown: throughout his entire career the man was never tackled! Dad loved Jim Brown.
Nope, they're not as big as the 3 he's talking about.
Ali!
Bo Jackson
Eh, after Mike got beat by Buster Douglas, I think it faded.
my god man. still w lebron every damn day. is there NOTHING else to talk about in the NBA playoffs for the people still playing?
It's hard to be mythical if you're in the news for twenty straight years every day
A beautiful game.
And two threepeats. Two.
In the modern era, only one team has one - and they had both Kobe and Shaq together: two of the best players EVER on the same team.
The comparison was never MJ and LeBron, it's Kobe and LeBron
kobe shot 46%
That alone disqualifies him from top 10.
46%.......
@@benjaminj.carrick9987how much does lebron shot from ft? His fg comes from layups so pls stop acting like lebron was ever a good shooter outside 10ft!
@@volkarach0293he just shot 41% from 3 Kobe never had a season like that
Millennials 😂😂😂 what did Bird say again about watching Jordan?
Said he was God in gym sneakers
You can make an hour long video of LeBron demonstratively throwing tantrums, flopping, excessively traveling, taking possessions off, and flexing after dunking on much smaller players. None of those are good looks that help his case..
2 pac is mythical in music
Playoffs are on but LeBron is the main topic. They are going to talk about this man into his 60s
No and this is why he won't retire soon. He wants to keep his stats adding up as he knows his resume comes up short. If he retires he knows that folks will do a proper reassessment of his legacy. When he retires, media will move on to the next great player and he'll slowly move down the all time ranking where he should be... He's seen it happen to Kobe and others... Once you're out of the spotlight, people begin to take a hard look at your career and/or flat out forget you in some cases (Duncan)
I don’t see nobody playing 20 seasons at this level like lebron
@@powskipowskii304after a few years, the truth will come out as to how he keeps his youth... Meanwhile Kareem at age 39 won finals mvp averaging 26 9 and 6
What poll says it’s as close as Broussard is saying? I haven’t seen it. Last poll I saw it was widening again.
Not a hockey guy by any means, but I think Wayne Gretzky is pretty mythical.
Millennials will look at it like Kobe ran 2000-2010
Lebron had 2012-2016
Steph had 2015-2022 shared with lebron.
Let’s see what the new class has.
I agree on those era's...And with the new class I feel like they gonna be taking turns I just don't see a face of the league..."Giannis won, Jokic won"
@@AvenueI77 wemby and Ant MIGHT dominate if they get the right teams around them. We’ll have to see.
Bron ran more then 2012-2016 lol …
@@Tezzzz7lol let’s hear it
How Kobe run 2000-2010 😭😭😭 Bron been the face since 07 yall gotta stop it and the shaq disrespect is disgusting you don’t kno ball chattin like that, Kobe has one mvp and two finals mvps yall gotta stop
No one who has losses in the NBA Finals 6 (SIX) can ever be considered the GOAT of NBA History......
I remember when I was when he hit the Cavs shot. Pizza Hit just down from my house,
It was the beginning of something REALLY special.
And I was a Magic and Lakers fan in the 80s.
I resented MJ.
LeBron has no mystique to him and that's what separates even generational players and what you'd call a mythical sports figure. Players like Jordan, Brady, Ali had an aura when they played. As incredible as LeBron has been his whole career, he doesn't have that same aura.
Please stop now about comparing any one to MJ he's the player above players in any sports that's why people say the MJ of your job because there's no better THAT IS THE LEVEL
He is the standard of greatness .
Before I watch this video I already know Rob is going to say no
He’s right though.
"It's also important to me to make the team I'm on now the best. I don't want to go ring-chasing, as I call it; you know, going to a team that's already pretty established and trying to win a ring with them. I want to stay with the Cavs and build a champion."
-LeBron james 2006
Jordan is smart. He stepped away from the game and despite being an owner, he really doesn't say too much. Yet he's highly successful. Lebron HAS to keep chirping to stay relevant. When Lebron retires, he will continue to bring the attention on himself, therefore not making him a mythical figure. It's going to be hard for guys to be mythical these days because of social media and how much they put out there about themselves
Dude has made both the NBA and sports media every where billions of dollars. The man is a literal walking ATM. Of course he’ll be mythical.
Literally means nothing.
Um, that was MJ who did that.
@@sportjames23 so weren’t going to pretend that they don’t find a way to talk about Bron everyday?
@@sportjames23 I guarantee you that LeBron has made the nba more money than Jordan
Man I think lebron is the goat , but why are we talking about him when there’s so much young talent left in the playoffs.. im tired of the lebron convo
Jordan, Ali, Ruth and Jim Brown are the Mt. Rushmore of sports
Great list.🙂
He's the ONLY MVP in NBA HISTORY with the most Finals L's and he's plastered all over social media as the hype boy from Akron 24/7 how is that ever being "mythical" 😆
Growing up, my grandfather, thought Wilt Chamberlain was the best he had ever seen. It does change by generation
He played 3 years in college and the Olympics and was a star before entering the league.
Wayne Gretzky is mythical. They forgot him. Pele too
In my opinion, averaging 50 for season is exponentially more impressive and unbelievable than scoring 100 in a single game.
I don’t know if he will be forgotten because he played for so long but he is only so popular right now because he’s current. Give it twenty-thirty years after he retires, people who never saw him play won’t think he’s that impressive, he will be on the same tier as Larry Bird or Tim Duncan. There are tons of players that have good stats, but winning matters. He got four rings so he will never fall out of the top 5-10 but his GOAT case is being hyped up by the media and fans.
Chris Broussard on that old Steph Curry logo UA shirt 🔥🔥🔥
They're sleeping on Gretzky as one of those mythical figures.
Ricky Bobby is on the mythical list as well 🐐