Why Chinese Culture Is Rebranded As Korean
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Roman influence is all over Europe but obviously they're not around anymore. Chinese influence is all over Asia yet they've been around far longer than the Romans & they're still around & stronger than ever. It's pretty insane & very impressive, regardless of how they're perceived. 😂
Greek History goes back similar as Chinese History.
Tell that to the Romans of Italy, the Chinese of today are not the Chinese of yesterday.
@@andresarias5303 as a geopolitical entity the Latins are no more, even tho the people and culture still persist. Their civilizational history is not as contiguous tho
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
@@novaacta8340: 🇲🇳 = 900s to 1400s of the various Khans.
Nobody in Korea thinks Tanghulu is Korean, it's the foreigners. They are repopularizing the item.
Yes, that is what the original video says. 😂
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
@@novaacta8340 tell that to them
The same with ramen. Japanese view it as Chinese, but foreigners see it as Japanese
@novaacta8340 khitans are actually trukic and are considered as chinese, the liao are one of the chinese dynasties. But where did you get this info that tanghulu came from them? I understand it comes from the song
Just came from Korea. Not a single person claims Tanghulu is Korean. Its labeled as a Chinese Snack and even kept the original name.
Exactly!!!
Meanwhile, China is the knock-off Capital of the world.
A lot of people are misunderstanding the point of the original video and getting defensive, such as mentioning that “Korea has never tried to steal tanghulu! They’re just selling it!”
That isn’t what the original video is saying. Literally in the _first_ few seconds, they mention how “these things actually aren’t Chinese… At least, that’s what the people on TikTok are saying.”
As in, they’re literally stating that it’s people on the internet making this rebranding. Nowhere did they mention Koreans trying to steal anything.
We have to remember that sinophobia is on the rise and a _lot_ of nations hate China right now. It’s rare for anything Chinese to be seen as cool, and even when it happens, due to political differences, people feel the need to make fun of and meme China (eg with the idea of the social credits system despite its lack of reality and at most resembling a credit score system).
Essentially, China still doesn’t have strong enough soft power.
This is different from Japan and Korea, where Japan got the help of USA after WWII in rebranding itself from a destructive colonizing nation to one of technology and politeness, with anime, once a nerdy thing that has since become cool, taking over the world.
Korea similarly got to build up its soft power via kpop, falling under a government initiative known as “Hallyu” or the Korean Wave. Which is essentially an intense marketing campaign-because we have to remember that soft power always comes back down to nationalism, patriotism, what the government wants and how far a country’s government can exert its influence without alarming other countries (as soft power is supposed to be less threatening than hard power) and what has since been named “nation branding.”
I’m actually writing my thesis on this right now, but basically China’s soft power is less efficient because its government is seen as the enemy. As such, it’s too closely associated with hard power even when the soft power has nothing to do with the government (eg with donghua, people still assume every Chinese animation somehow has ties to the government).
So anything cool from China is easily misunderstood by the masses (and not Koreans specifically) as Japanese or Korean instead because to the masses, Japan and Korea are cool and also safe to like.
But even with that out of the way, there _are_ certain tensions between China and Korea and trying to identify whether something in their culture has any ties to China at all.
Because…well, this shouldn’t be a controversial statement, but it is: China has had some influence on Korea and Japan, so there are similarities. But claiming so always seems to grind Korean netizens’ gears in the assumption that China is somehow trying to steal their culture, as if admitting influence from another nation illegitimatizes their own culture (note: it does not, in fact, illegitimize anything! China itself has been greatly influenced by India and that’s always been an acknowledged fact, as seen in _Journey to the West_ literally being a journey to India).
So this is how I found out a while ago there’s actually a lot of Korean hate against Chinese people (and well, there’s a lot of hate against China in general, especially politically, so it’s not entirely a surprise), but I was still disappointed as someone who was into Korean media and culture and wanted to get more into it.
The main reason it was disappointing was how _harsh_ the hatred was.
I’ll copy and paste and edit an older comment of mine to share what I’ve noticed-and sorry if I sound very jaded throughout the comment; I’m very tired of the stuff that I cover in the comment itself:
A while ago, a pretty cool Chinese manhua artist named Old Xian drew art of their characters in hanfu, and Korean netizens lost their minds over one of the character’s hats. They _insisted_ it was a Korean-exclusive hat.
Chinese and Korean people began duking it out on Twitter. I didn’t have any strong feelings about it, but I saw some nasty, _nasty_ sinophobia come out from Korean netizens at the time.
They claimed Chinese people didn’t have culture; or that their culture was just the tank man image and the Manchurian queue, with them attaching ugly caricatures of said Qing dynasty queue while laughing at it. They also claimed Chinese netizens were just desperately stealing Korean culture because China is undemocratic and desperate.
It was so disappointing, especially since before that, I had a pretty positive view of Korea and an interest in Korean culture and history. But that instance felt like a wake-up call-a reminder that much of the world still hates and looks down on China.
Then a while ago a Chinese CZcamsr made a video to highlight the differences between hanfu and hanbok because a Korean website had claimed a Ming dynasty hanfu as Korean and was again claiming that China was stealing Korean culture (even though hanbok actually received influence _from_ the Chinese Ming in terms of design). Her video was met with massive backlash, where Korean netizens used bots to spam dislikes and comments, much of which was the same copied and pasted rant of sinophobia-about how desperate and pathetic China was, stealing cultures because it lacks democracy and freedom (as if democracy and freedom somehow correlates to the preservation of culture).
It made Chinese people upset nobody is acknowledging that there _is_ that Chinese influence, especially considering those recent debates between Chinese and Korean netizens about culture.
So of course, Chinese netizens also got quite heated and some made comments about Korea that are also condemnable. But many were just exasperatedly trying to express that China _does_ have a culture and that not everything Chinese is stealing from Korea. Some were also asserting the historical fact about how Korea received influence from China, which _is_ a true historical fact, so I don’t fault them for that at least.
I can get the frustration on that front.
Plus there was also the whole issue with pickled dishes. If I remember correctly, Chinese paocai got to become an officially recognized intangible heritage, which for anyone else would be a decent fun fact to know, but Koreans viewed it as a theft of their kimchi. And surprise, surprise, it led to even more sinophobia.
Similarly, Korean netizens were outraged by China including a girl in a hanbok in the most recent Olympics at China, claiming China was stealing from them again. Except they ignored the fact there were 56 other ethnic dresses showcased at that event, because China has 56 officially recognized ethnicities and Korean-Chinese just so happens to be one of those ethnicities.
Even more ironic is that other Chinese ethnicities were also in their traditional dress, such as a Vietnamese-Chinese girl in what I believe was an ao dai, but no one from Vietnam grew enraged. It was only Korea.
I even remember a Korean street interview where two seemingly teenage girls or young adult women said they were disappointed China would feel the need to steal the hanbok, all while they ironically stood in front of a Korean Confucian temple that still had Chinese characters on it. It’s almost as if…cultures can intermix and mingle and influence one another.
It’s almost as if no culture develops purely in isolation. For example, China in fact received a lot of influence from Indian culture in terms of Buddhism and dunhuang and even some of the legends, like Nezha. But China does admit to that Indian influence.
Japanese culture also generally acknowledges its influence from China and even has some evolved differences from it, although Japan obviously has other issues with China (eg acknowledging WWII crimes).
There was another recent incident where a kpop MV used Chinese cultural elements and called it Korean and not Chinese, which kind of returns to the cultural intermixing thing again. Apparently the designer studied in China and used to tag their work as Chinese but stopped after the release of the MV, and some of the stuff in the MV was much more Chinese than Korean (a certain type of fan and Chinese knots). Which I wouldn’t really be upset about, but it does suck when remembering the Korean comments that looked down on China as having no culture besides the Manchurian queue, which they made fun of.
Like I know people fear China right now, and Korea has tensions with China in culture and politics. But it doesn’t feel excusable that some bad apples would shit on the entire nation’s culture that way.
And I know not all of Korea is like that. I was just shocked when I experienced it for the first time, and still feel pretty sad about it now. It also made me worry about speaking Mandarin to my mom when we went to Korea recently for an overnight transfer, so I generally spoke in English.
*TL;DR:* To narrow it down, no one really wants to accuse Koreans specifically of stealing Chinese culture; it’s more so just that people cannot seem to fathom that something cool can come from China. But there _have_ been tensions recently from Korean netizens misunderstanding and assuming that China wants to steal Korean culture.
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
@@kukuandkookie Well, Not too long ago, Korea and China had a war. People who went through that are still alive. So now imagine the other side claiming your culture. It's not going to go down well.
Most of the Tanghulu in Korea isnt even sold by Koreans. Chinese immigrants are the largest minority group in Korea by far and you’ll see them working everywhere, including as servers in restaurants or food stall workers. But most westerners cant differentiate between East Asians.
Haha… you are right. I think I heard more Cantonese and Mandarin walking around Myeongdong than Korean.
It's not hard to tell differences. 1. Ugly and short -Japanese 2.lots of plastic surgery-Korea 3. The rest are Chinese.
@@letsgowalk I know u probably intended this as a joke, but still I'd like to point out that there are almost no Canto migrants in Korea. Most Chinese living in Korea are either ethnic Koreans from the Yanbian autonomous county in Jilin or from nearby North Chinese provinces like Shandong.
I think the misinformation comes from social media.
denk daran das eure independent in shanghai mit hilhe china erklärt worden
They sell Tanghulu in Japan, Thailand, and even in EU. America and West have similar product called candy apples. Yet all Chinese media is hating on Korea without even doing proper research as to if Koreans think it's theirs not Chinese. People who calls out cultural approprition are just insecure about their own culture and got too much time on their hands.
As a Korean living in Seoul, I don't regard tanghulu, mala-pot, and jjajangmyeon as Korean. They may be part of Korean culture, but I still think of them as Chinese. Regarding your podcast, cultural rebranding happens all the time.
As you mentioned, ramen may have its roots in Chinese noodles, but it's been rebranded in Japan and is now sold worldwide in that format. Some Japanese still see it as Chinese food, especially Nagasaki ramen, due to its initial marketing as Chinese food in Japan. However, many countries generally regard it as Japanese food, likely because it has departed from its original format.
A similar thing happened with Korean fried chicken, which is simply called "치킨" (chikin) in Korea to differentiate it from "닭" (dak), the Korean word for chicken. This distinction indicates that the dish is cooked in a westernized format, different from traditional Korean methods like boiling (백숙, baeksuk). However, once this dish crossed borders, it became known as "Korean fried chicken."
Hot dogs provide another example. The concept of putting a sausage in a bun likely did not originate in the US, yet hot dogs are generally regarded as American food due to cultural rebranding.
Conversely, some items are branded as part of one culture but originate from another, yet are still regarded as belonging to the branded culture. For instance, P.F. Chang's in Seoul serves orange chicken, which is branded as Chinese, but most people from mainland China wouldn't consider it part of their culture. The same goes for tikka masala or currywurst.
There are also instances where the origins of a dish are vague, and multiple cultures claim it as their own. Pierogi and goulash are good examples, as are many dishes from the Middle East and North Africa.
Additionally, some dishes evolve into distinct entities despite their common origins. Pierogi, dim sum, gyoza, and mandu are all different in their own right, though they share a common ancestry: dumplings. Similarly, donkatsu originates from schnitzel, and kare from curry, yet they are regarded as different dishes. Perhaps the most famous example is pasta, which has branched into a totally different cuisine of its own.
So the real question to ask is: what does it take for a specific item to be claimed as part of a culture without being seen as plagiarism? Or, what does it take for an item to be considered part of a certain culture despite its foreign origins?
That's kind of like Filipino Halo Halo and Odong. Every Filipino person in the Philippines knows that Halo Halo is derived from Japanese Kakigori and that Odong came from Japanese Udon noodles both coming from Japanese immigrants. But yet foreigners from around the world who are not familiar with that part of Philippine history, would more likely than not, regard Halo Halo and Odong as Filipino, even though their origins came from Japan.
Ok, since China makes everything, then we can do some cultural rebranding as “Chinese kimchi” and “Chinese takoyaki” and “Chinese teppanyaki”, because China also makes different varieties of these with their own variations, so it’s safe to say that now we have the improved versions of Chinese kimchi, Chinese teriyaki, Chinese sukiyaki, Chinese teppanyaki, etc….or Chinese hotdog, Chinese hamburgers, Chinese cheeseburger, Chinese fried chickens, etc. it’s very easy to make variations of all of them, so if Japanese and Koreans and Americans can do it, so can the Chinese. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Japan does way worse, in fact, because Japan wants to replace China as “most superior Asian nation”. Noodles, dumplings, hotpot, chopsticks, miso, bean curd doufu, soy sauce, tea, matcha, tea ceremony, rice, rice wine, rice noodles, koi fish, cherry blossom trees, paper folding art, penzai (bonsai in Sino-Japanese), weiqi, lamian (ramen in Sino-Japanese), char siu (chashu in Sino-Japanese) are all Chinese inventions. In fact, Japan, Korea and Vietnam are collectively called Sinosphere. Japanese culture is a replica of Tang Dynasty. Google search for “Japanese missions to imperial China” and “Japanese missions to Tang Dynasty”. Hiragana is cursive Chinese Hanzi named after the Han Dynasty of China. Katakana is partial Hanzi. Kanji is Hanzi. Google search for “CJK Writing system”. Yet now all of these are rebranded and known to the western world as “Japanese culture”, letting Japan to take credit over the inventor and mother culture of Sinosphere China. I actually have a bigger problem with Japan and their funded 1450 troll army working in Taiwan spreading lies like this than Korea. Of course, I also get upset with Koreans claim Confucius was “Korean”, or Koreans invented Oracle Bones Script, or Zhu Yuanzhang who founded the Ming Dynasty, of which Korean culture is a replica of, as “Korean”. Or I have problems with Japan calling Peking duck “Japanese Peking duck”, or my Cantonese culture wok as “Japanese wok”, or paper, one of the Four Great Chinese Inventions (along with gunpowder, compass and printing) as “washi” (Japanese paper) or “hanji” (Korean paper). Or rice noodles invented during the Qin Dynasty of China called fen in Mandarin, fun in Cantonese and pho in Sino-Vietnamese as “Vietnamese pho”. All of these should be properly attributed back to China, the inventor nation that gave rise to these three Sinospheric cultures.
Korean should focusing on its own culture and doesn't need to rebrand other country's culture as their own.
少有的韩国清醒的，见过世面的人。
Tanghulu and malatang are recent trends. But jjajangmyeon is already deeply associated with Korean life with nearly (if not already) a century of history, much like ramen in Japan.
Tornado potato is said to be Korean invented, but is very popular in Japan. That doesn't make it right to call it Japanese.
This happens all over the world. People from the U.S. get triggered when they hear that the cowboy culture really originated from northern Mexicans who learned about horses from the Spanish settlers.
It's sold as Chinese snack in Korea.... Nobody in Korea thinks it's Korean food. It's only foreigners who thinks this.
so why dont they correct them rather play along and profit?
@@cjyoung4080 how are they playing along? they literally say it's chinese food. lmao. why are you blaming koreans because they made the food popular? Btw, Tanghulu actually originated from Khitans.
@@cjyoung4080 I agree and get the correction part, but what's up with taking issue on making profits? Is tanghulu patented technology? I guess from now on all Korean restaurants located in China must pay dividends to Korea then. I'm not sure if you even read your own comments.
When and how long did China exist? Most of the Chinese history was about the life of serfs/slaves who lost their country under the northern conquest dynasties (Qin, Han, Tang, Liao, Jin, Yuan, Qing...) until 1912.
@@d10146 Any source for that ? First time hearing it. Hawthorn is a southern fruit, far from khitan empire's territory.
1. A nerd in class has been wearing a white hoodie for a year, but no one knows about him.
2. A popular kid in class became popular as soon as he put on a white hoodie.
3. Nerds are proud of themselves. But everyone is interested in other children.
4. Nerds get jealous of good-looking kids.
haha love from a proud Chinese. Koreans are good people and have nice culture and reputation. But I don't feel the need to get jealous of the good looking kids😄
Nice analogy
There are TWO types of "Chinese culture" : (1) Cultures created by the upper ruling class of foreign nobles (Qin, Han, Tang, Liao, Jin, Yuan, Qing...) such as Huns, Turks, Mongols, and Manchus, who conquered China in the past. (ex: Chinese character/literature, Hundred Schools of Thought, ancient clothing, *Tanghulu...) (2) "Western(西域)" cultures of India/Central Asia that flowed through the Silk Road into China. (ex: Buddhism, Kungfu, dumplings, noodles, breads, hot pot, lamb skewers...). FYI, even Confucius was of Mongolian descent, and Li Bai (Chinese: 李白) was from Kyrgyzstan.
@@novaacta8340 in your dream😂
What about Chinese government actively trying to steal/brand parts of Korean culture and history as theirs?
我们偷你们啥文化麻烦输出千年你们这些千年附属国有啥文化值得宗主国偷的。😂😅
There are Koreans live in China also. It’s a culture in that certain region. Koreans were caught in the boarder custom trying to steal historical items to Korea. Lots of things in Korean museum were taken illegally from China.
Besides the minority Korean Chinese claims Korean culture their own culture, never heard of any Han Chinese claim any Korean culture theirs.
Chinese government doesn’t give a shit about Korea. It doesn’t even give a shit about Joe Biden, and you think it gives 2 cents to his lap dogs? 🤪🙄
@@letisriva8581 exactly just look which religious symbolism the South Korean flag is based on and you'll be clear
The Video Title is misleading. Makes it sound like Korea wants to steal & rebrand. When it just admires another cultures food and labels/calls it that way. Title should be "How Foreigners mistakenly think Chinese Snack is Korean". Quite disappointing the narrative being pushed here.
That’s why I reported to google this video for misleading!
The title looks like that all the Korean culture is from Chinese haha
Japan does way worse, in fact, because Japan wants to replace China as “most superior Asian nation”. Noodles, dumplings, hotpot, chopsticks, miso, bean curd doufu, soy sauce, tea, matcha, tea ceremony, rice, rice wine, rice noodles, koi fish, cherry blossom trees, paper folding art, penzai (bonsai in Sino-Japanese), weiqi, lamian (ramen in Sino-Japanese), char siu (chashu in Sino-Japanese) are all Chinese inventions. In fact, Japan, Korea and Vietnam are collectively called Sinosphere. Japanese culture is a replica of Tang Dynasty. Google search for “Japanese missions to imperial China” and “Japanese missions to Tang Dynasty”. Hiragana is cursive Chinese Hanzi named after the Han Dynasty of China. Katakana is partial Hanzi. Kanji is Hanzi. Google search for “CJK Writing system”. Yet now all of these are rebranded and known to the western world as “Japanese culture”, letting Japan to take credit over the inventor and mother culture of Sinosphere China. I actually have a bigger problem with Japan and their funded 1450 troll army working in Taiwan spreading lies like this than Korea. Of course, I also get upset with Koreans claim Confucius was “Korean”, or Koreans invented Oracle Bones Script, or Zhu Yuanzhang who founded the Ming Dynasty, of which Korean culture is a replica of, as “Korean”. Or I have problems with Japan calling Peking duck “Japanese Peking duck”, or my Cantonese culture wok as “Japanese wok”, or paper, one of the Four Great Chinese Inventions (along with gunpowder, compass and printing) as “washi” (Japanese paper) or “hanji” (Korean paper). Or rice noodles invented during the Qin Dynasty of China called fen in Mandarin, fun in Cantonese and pho in Sino-Vietnamese as “Vietnamese pho”. All of these should be properly attributed back to China, the inventor nation that gave rise to these three Sinospheric cultures…..
There are TWO types of "Chinese culture" : (1) Cultures created by the upper ruling class of foreign nobles (Qin, Han, Tang, Liao, Jin, Yuan, Qing...) such as Huns, Turks, Mongols, and Manchus, who conquered China in the past. (ex: Chinese character/literature, Hundred Schools of Thought, ancient clothing, *Tanghulu...) (2) "Western(西域)" cultures of India/Central Asia that flowed through the Silk Road into China. (ex: Buddhism, Kungfu, dumplings, noodles, breads, hot pot, lamb skewers...). FYI, even Confucius was of Mongolian descent, and Li Bai (Chinese: 李白) was from Kyrgyzstan.
Korea never claimed its Korean lol and the name of frenchise is literary Wang's tanhhulu whritten in Chinese characters and the interiors of the shops are covered with chinese stuffs like red and yellow that you see at chinese restaurants.
你要不看看你们有的地方命名还有在网上视频😂😅
Good for them then. But when will they finally realize that the Korean Hanbok had Chinese influence , instead of stating Hafu was copied from the Korean hanbok
@@lemontea128 Hanbok was Scythian influence not china lmao wake up from your dream. Not everything is chinese
@hlcapa it was originally scythian influence but chinese influence soon came to dominate it.
@@potatoman8609 wake up from delusion. Not everything's chinese.
As a South Korean, we never claimed glass candy. Every single Korean knows it is Chinese. The same goes for Confucius. Every 'Korean thief' stuff in internet is bs made by Chinese or Taiwanese. Stop Korean hate
und was ist über koreanische nationalflagge mit yin und yang bedeutung, was ist in frühen zeiten mit china schriftzeichen , und was ist korea unabhängigkeit würde in shanghai erklärt , du verflucht
stop korean hate, kuckst du in koreanischer youtuber , es sind die meitens hasst propaganda gegen chinesen und andere volkdsgruppen , würde von koreanern postiert
haha , maybe some people just want to stir wars. There was a very popular Korean video showing a professor explain why Confucius is Korean, and this video caused much hate among Chinese community. And I did believe many Koreans claims Confucius originates from Korean.
Wer am meisten in CZcams bereiten Hasst gegen China und Chinesen, bis jetzt kein einziger Chinesen redet schlecht über andere Nationen
Well I’ve seen comments on other videos stating hanbok wasn’t influenced by China and that the Chinese Hanfu was influenced by Korean hanbok, which is totally false.
As a korean American I would support your point if i saw alot of social media or even korean markets claiming tanghulu as korean. However, i don't see thst at all. I can definitely emphasize with the fact that people who are not aware of the origins of the snack can misidentify it. But just because that snack has seen increases popularity in korea i dont think is a bad thing. Just because we see korean social media talking about the snack doesn't equate it to Koreans trying to make it theirs. I would say its the same as if a korean snack became viral in China ans chinese social media showcased it. I would have no problem with that as long as their is no active appropriation going on.
In Korea, there are many Chinese restaurants in each neighborhood. Koreanized jajangmyeon is sold in Chinese restaurants, and everyone knows that Tanghulu is also a Chinese food. I don't know why the Chinese are so worried. There are many strange rumors about Korea due to netizens in China. No one in Korea says Confucius is Korean.
有没有麻烦看看他们教授还有媒体是不是说你要不查一下😂😅
@@user-hc5cg3jc3i I heard that some professor or newspaper in China said that China was the original inventor of pizza or soccer, but do ordinary Chinese people agree with that? You come to Korea and interview 100 Koreans. There is no stupider rumor than claim that Confucius was Korean. And like I said there are a lot of Chinese restaurants in Korea in every neighborhood and Koreanized Chinese food like jajangmyeon are sold there. Maratang which has become popular among young people in Korea is also sold in Chinese restaurants and tanghuru is sold with Chinese characters.
@@user-hc5cg3jc3i WHY ALL CHINESE SAY KOREAN CLAIM CONFUCIUS IS KOREAN PLEASE STOP SPREADING SHIT
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insecurity of chinese. stuck between communist ideology and korean pop culture influence they feel insecure in their identity as chinese.
ramen in japanese is written in katakana which means it is a foreign item..... before ramen they're called chuka soba = chinese noodles
The Japanese word "ramen" is based on the Chinese words for pulled (la) noodle (mian).
Which means, chinese culture based on ramen is awesome? Hahaha
Then make Chinese culture popular in the world, not by the other's hand.
They have so many Chinese restaurant in Japan . Its almost 15% of restaurant that are Chinese restaurant. Japan have so much respect for Chinese food and history. Ive never seen this much respect for Chinese food in any other countries .
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
@@kazzB its chinese people cooking it. The good ones are made by Chinese.
Are you telling me Orange chicken isn’t Chinese or made of oranges?😂
Lots of Korean and Japanese things get rebranded when exported overseas
It’s not just “rebranded”. It’s presented in a way where it’s appealing to the target audience.
Don’t be mad because Japanese and Koreans do it better and make it more inviting. 😂
Which became more popular. Karate or Kung Fu. Or more recently Tae Kwon Do. Which decided to openly teach.
Who didn’t want to teach to the quai lo.
You ever notice in Japanese restaurants the English letters are bigger than any Japanese. Same for the menu usually.
For Chinese, it’s the opposite. Many non-Chinese don’t even feel welcome. You reep what you sow.
@@f430ferrari5 literally what rebranding means....
@@cjyoung4080 no. Rebranding is an “attempt” to make the “same” thing and sell/push it as something different but often without success.
And while we are at it, maybe we should discuss counterfeiting or what do you call it when Chinese “attempt” to make Honda or Kawasaki or Suzuki motorcycles and don’t even bother changing the name. Same for Marlboro cigarettes and Callaway golf clubs or whatever.
Or how about when Chinese and or Korean own/manage “Japanese” or “Sushi” restaurants. 😂. I don’t have an issue with it but how does somebody like yourself feel about it.
And who has earned a reputation for unsanitary conditions in their restaurants. I actually believe it is an unfair judgement but it is what it is.
Hence why the Chinese brands Miniso and Mumuso faking to be Japanese and Korean
@@f430ferrari5 I’ve peaked Japanese restaurant or food being sold and remixed by Koreans or Chinese abroad. I’m sure this happens vice versa, but in the UK we have a few of the former! 😅
Tanghulu wasn't "rebranded", its kept the name and explained as a Chinese snack. Same goes for Jajangmyeon, although its been Koreanized, it's literally called Chinese food.
Chinese claim everything like the seas they fish in.
With or without intentions, it's the Western folks again stirring up controversies between Asian nations.
Jjajangmyeon IS from Korea. The food is not from China. I asked several Chinese friends who all come from different parts of China to confirm. They all said "This is not Chinese food".
Korean jjajangmien is Korean-Chinese - originating from Korea like caesar salad and hamburgers
@@selohcin Yes you are correct. jajangmyun in Korea is so different from chinese zhajiangmein that Chinese people consider jajangmyun to be Korean food. But the funny thing is a lot of Koreans still call jajangmyun Chinese food. But it should be considered Korean food at this point.
There are Japanese BBQ places in the US, which is Japanese Yakiniku BBQ style of grilled meats...
Funny thing is...Yakiniku means Korean BBQ in Japan. So its basically, Japanese style Korean BBQ.
Yes, yakiniku is literally just Korean BBQ. There is no such thing as "Japanese BBQ". They just stole Korean BBQ and called it Japanese BBQ.
@@d10146 If U study more you wil realize you are effing wrong. The Japanse yakiniku culture was created by the koreans living in Japan around the second world war. It didn't come from Korea. The KOREANS IN JAPAN invented them.
@@lizardking3979 That's what I literally said lol. Do you have trouble reading? I said yakiniku is just Korean BBQ
@@d10146 but i would say they didn't steal korean BBQ. You are the one has trouble.
@@Digizzzzs They did steal Korean BBQ. They literally changed the name and parades it around as "Japanese BBQ" to the rest of the world. But it's just Korean BBQ
Tanghulu is about 1000 years old, originally from the Song Dynasty
Koreans never claim Tanghulu to be Korean. The word itself is not Korean either so Koreans all know it's a foreign origin.
Chinese never try to find reasons of their problem inside of them.
They just blaim neighbors
because you didnot see, so no. you are the world
@@ga5835They also produce every type of knock-off brand you can ever imagine, and here, they're complaining about candy. 😂😅
China also replicated Paris in Tianducheng complete with an Eiffel Tower, and here, they're complaining about candy. 😂😅
A lot of people are misunderstanding the point of the original video and getting defensive, such as mentioning that “Korea has never tried to steal tanghulu! They’re just selling it!”
That isn’t what the original video is saying. Literally in the _first_ few seconds, they mention how “these things actually aren’t Chinese… At least, that’s what the people on TikTok are saying.”
As in, they’re literally stating that it’s people on the internet making this rebranding. Nowhere did they mention Koreans trying to steal anything.
We have to remember that sinophobia is on the rise and a _lot_ of nations hate China right now. It’s rare for anything Chinese to be seen as cool, and even when it happens, due to political differences, people feel the need to make fun of and meme China (eg with the idea of the social credits system despite its lack of reality and at most resembling a credit score system).
Essentially, China still doesn’t have strong enough soft power.
This is different from Japan and Korea, where Japan got the help of USA after WWII in rebranding itself from a destructive colonizing nation to one of technology and politeness, with anime, once a nerdy thing that has since become cool, taking over the world.
Korea similarly got to build up its soft power via kpop, falling under a government initiative known as “Hallyu” or the Korean Wave. Which is essentially an intense marketing campaign-because we have to remember that soft power always comes back down to nationalism, patriotism, what the government wants and how far a country’s government can exert its influence without alarming other countries (as soft power is supposed to be less threatening than hard power) and what has since been named “nation branding.”
I’m actually writing my thesis on this right now, but basically China’s soft power is less efficient because its government is seen as the enemy. As such, it’s too closely associated with hard power even when the soft power has nothing to do with the government (eg with donghua, people still assume every Chinese animation somehow has ties to the government).
So anything cool from China is easily misunderstood by the masses (and not Koreans specifically) as Japanese or Korean instead because to the masses, Japan and Korea are cool and also safe to like.
But even with that out of the way, there _are_ certain tensions between China and Korea and trying to identify whether something in their culture has any ties to China at all.
Because…well, this shouldn’t be a controversial statement, but it is: China has had some influence on Korea and Japan, so there are similarities. But claiming so always seems to grind Korean netizens’ gears in the assumption that China is somehow trying to steal their culture, as if admitting influence from another nation illegitimatizes their own culture (note: it does not, in fact, illegitimize anything! China itself has been greatly influenced by India and that’s always been an acknowledged fact, as seen in _Journey to the West_ literally being a journey to India).
So this is how I found out a while ago there’s actually a lot of Korean hate against Chinese people (and well, there’s a lot of hate against China in general, especially politically, so it’s not entirely a surprise), but I was still disappointed as someone who was into Korean media and culture and wanted to get more into it.
The main reason it was disappointing was how _harsh_ the hatred was.
I’ll copy and paste and edit an older comment of mine to share what I’ve noticed-and sorry if I sound very jaded throughout the comment; I’m very tired of the stuff that I cover in the comment itself:
A while ago, a pretty cool Chinese manhua artist named Old Xian drew art of their characters in hanfu, and Korean netizens lost their minds over one of the character’s hats. They _insisted_ it was a Korean-exclusive hat.
Chinese and Korean people began duking it out on Twitter. I didn’t have any strong feelings about it, but I saw some nasty, _nasty_ sinophobia come out from Korean netizens at the time.
They claimed Chinese people didn’t have culture; or that their culture was just the tank man image and the Manchurian queue, with them attaching ugly caricatures of said Qing dynasty queue while laughing at it. They also claimed Chinese netizens were just desperately stealing Korean culture because China is undemocratic and desperate.
It was so disappointing, especially since before that, I had a pretty positive view of Korea and an interest in Korean culture and history. But that instance felt like a wake-up call-a reminder that much of the world still hates and looks down on China.
Then a while ago a Chinese CZcamsr made a video to highlight the differences between hanfu and hanbok because a Korean website had claimed a Ming dynasty hanfu as Korean and was again claiming that China was stealing Korean culture (even though hanbok actually received influence _from_ the Chinese Ming in terms of design). Her video was met with massive backlash, where Korean netizens used bots to spam dislikes and comments, much of which was the same copied and pasted rant of sinophobia-about how desperate and pathetic China was, stealing cultures because it lacks democracy and freedom (as if democracy and freedom somehow correlates to the preservation of culture).
It made Chinese people upset nobody is acknowledging that there _is_ that Chinese influence, especially considering those recent debates between Chinese and Korean netizens about culture.
So of course, Chinese netizens also got quite heated and some made comments about Korea that are also condemnable. But many were just exasperatedly trying to express that China _does_ have a culture and that not everything Chinese is stealing from Korea. Some were also asserting the historical fact about how Korea received influence from China, which _is_ a true historical fact, so I don’t fault them for that at least.
I can get the frustration on that front.
Plus there was also the whole issue with pickled dishes. If I remember correctly, Chinese paocai got to become an officially recognized intangible heritage, which for anyone else would be a decent fun fact to know, but Koreans viewed it as a theft of their kimchi. And surprise, surprise, it led to even more sinophobia.
Similarly, Korean netizens were outraged by China including a girl in a hanbok in the most recent Olympics at China, claiming China was stealing from them again. Except they ignored the fact there were 56 other ethnic dresses showcased at that event, because China has 56 officially recognized ethnicities and Korean-Chinese just so happens to be one of those ethnicities.
Even more ironic is that other Chinese ethnicities were also in their traditional dress, such as a Vietnamese-Chinese girl in what I believe was an ao dai, but no one from Vietnam grew enraged. It was only Korea.
I even remember a Korean street interview where two seemingly teenage girls or young adult women said they were disappointed China would feel the need to steal the hanbok, all while they ironically stood in front of a Korean Confucian temple that still had Chinese characters on it. It’s almost as if…cultures can intermix and mingle and influence one another.
It’s almost as if no culture develops purely in isolation. For example, China in fact received a lot of influence from Indian culture in terms of Buddhism and dunhuang and even some of the legends, like Nezha. But China does admit to that Indian influence.
Japanese culture also generally acknowledges its influence from China and even has some evolved differences from it, although Japan obviously has other issues with China (eg acknowledging WWII crimes).
There was another recent incident where a kpop MV used Chinese cultural elements and called it Korean and not Chinese, which kind of returns to the cultural intermixing thing again. Apparently the designer studied in China and used to tag their work as Chinese but stopped after the release of the MV, and some of the stuff in the MV was much more Chinese than Korean (a certain type of fan and Chinese knots). Which I wouldn’t really be upset about, but it does suck when remembering the Korean comments that looked down on China as having no culture besides the Manchurian queue, which they made fun of.
Like I know people fear China right now, and Korea has tensions with China in culture and politics. But it doesn’t feel excusable that some bad apples would shit on the entire nation’s culture that way.
And I know not all of Korea is like that. I was just shocked when I experienced it for the first time, and still feel pretty sad about it now. It also made me worry about speaking Mandarin to my mom when we went to Korea recently for an overnight transfer, so I generally spoke in English.
*TL;DR:* To narrow it down, no one really wants to accuse Koreans specifically of stealing Chinese culture; it’s more so just that people cannot seem to fathom that something cool can come from China. But there _have_ been tensions recently from Korean netizens misunderstanding and assuming that China wants to steal Korean culture.
@@kukuandkookie damn you wrote an entire essay....
Hong Kong made Chinese culture cool decades ago. That history seems lost on these two and accuse others for hating.
nahh Hong Kong is such small weight in Chinese culture.
Everything is an extension of something else. What’s more American than a hamburger. Well guess what? It’s Mongolian. 800 years ago, the Mongols(tatars) would ride their horses across the Russian steppe, tenderizing the raw meat dinner under the saddle. This raw meat dinner is what we call steak ‘tartare’(tatar). The Russian traders in the 19th century would port in Hamburg for business and brought with them the recipe. The Germans weren’t fond of the raw meat so they just grilled it up. Not too long after, the German immigrants in America started selling their version at carnivals by putting it between two buns.
finally someone who actually knows history 👍
interesting. foods are always going around.
Tatars and mongol different people
@@milaray4640 In older literature, you'll often see Genghis Khan and his Mongols called “Tartars” or “Tatars.” We no longer label the Mongols as Tatars. Today, Tartar refers to Turkic-speaking people of Eastern Europe, Russia, and Central Asia, such as the Crimean Tartars. But the Chinese do call Mongols, Tatars.
@@milaray4640 Tatars are a direct function of the Mongol Empire. And although not all tatars are ethnic Mongols, the tatars became synonymous with the Mongol conglomeration.
For your information guys Koreans don't claim that tanghulu is their food!!! They just sell them and to tell you the truth it's not that popular in South Korea!!!
Meanwhile, they never address China's knock-off industry, producing just about every generic name brand product you can ever imagine. Lol
A lot of people are misunderstanding the point of the original video and getting defensive, such as mentioning that “Korea has never tried to steal tanghulu! They’re just selling it!”
That isn’t what the original video is saying. Literally in the _first_ few seconds, they mention how “these things actually aren’t Chinese… At least, that’s what the people on TikTok are saying.”
As in, they’re literally stating that it’s people on the internet making this rebranding. Nowhere did they mention Koreans trying to steal anything.
We have to remember that sinophobia is on the rise and a _lot_ of nations hate China right now. It’s rare for anything Chinese to be seen as cool, and even when it happens, due to political differences, people feel the need to make fun of and meme China (eg with the idea of the social credits system despite its lack of reality and at most resembling a credit score system).
Essentially, China still doesn’t have strong enough soft power.
This is different from Japan and Korea, where Japan got the help of USA after WWII in rebranding itself from a destructive colonizing nation to one of technology and politeness, with anime, once a nerdy thing that has since become cool, taking over the world.
Korea similarly got to build up its soft power via kpop, falling under a government initiative known as “Hallyu” or the Korean Wave. Which is essentially an intense marketing campaign-because we have to remember that soft power always comes back down to nationalism, patriotism, what the government wants and how far a country’s government can exert its influence without alarming other countries (as soft power is supposed to be less threatening than hard power) and what has since been named “nation branding.”
I’m actually writing my thesis on this right now, but basically China’s soft power is less efficient because its government is seen as the enemy. As such, it’s too closely associated with hard power even when the soft power has nothing to do with the government (eg with donghua, people still assume every Chinese animation somehow has ties to the government).
So anything cool from China is easily misunderstood by the masses (and not Koreans specifically) as Japanese or Korean instead because to the masses, Japan and Korea are cool and also safe to like.
But even with that out of the way, there _are_ certain tensions between China and Korea and trying to identify whether something in their culture has any ties to China at all.
Because…well, this shouldn’t be a controversial statement, but it is: China has had some influence on Korea and Japan, so there are similarities. But claiming so always seems to grind Korean netizens’ gears in the assumption that China is somehow trying to steal their culture, as if admitting influence from another nation illegitimatizes their own culture (note: it does not, in fact, illegitimize anything! China itself has been greatly influenced by India and that’s always been an acknowledged fact, as seen in _Journey to the West_ literally being a journey to India).
So this is how I found out a while ago there’s actually a lot of Korean hate against Chinese people (and well, there’s a lot of hate against China in general, especially politically, so it’s not entirely a surprise), but I was still disappointed as someone who was into Korean media and culture and wanted to get more into it.
The main reason it was disappointing was how _harsh_ the hatred was.
I’ll copy and paste and edit an older comment of mine to share what I’ve noticed-and sorry if I sound very jaded throughout the comment; I’m very tired of the stuff that I cover in the comment itself:
A while ago, a pretty cool Chinese manhua artist named Old Xian drew art of their characters in hanfu, and Korean netizens lost their minds over one of the character’s hats. They _insisted_ it was a Korean-exclusive hat.
Chinese and Korean people began duking it out on Twitter. I didn’t have any strong feelings about it, but I saw some nasty, _nasty_ sinophobia come out from Korean netizens at the time.
They claimed Chinese people didn’t have culture; or that their culture was just the tank man image and the Manchurian queue, with them attaching ugly caricatures of said Qing dynasty queue while laughing at it. They also claimed Chinese netizens were just desperately stealing Korean culture because China is undemocratic and desperate.
It was so disappointing, especially since before that, I had a pretty positive view of Korea and an interest in Korean culture and history. But that instance felt like a wake-up call-a reminder that much of the world still hates and looks down on China.
Then a while ago a Chinese CZcamsr made a video to highlight the differences between hanfu and hanbok because a Korean website had claimed a Ming dynasty hanfu as Korean and was again claiming that China was stealing Korean culture (even though hanbok actually received influence _from_ the Chinese Ming in terms of design). Her video was met with massive backlash, where Korean netizens used bots to spam dislikes and comments, much of which was the same copied and pasted rant of sinophobia-about how desperate and pathetic China was, stealing cultures because it lacks democracy and freedom (as if democracy and freedom somehow correlates to the preservation of culture).
It made Chinese people upset nobody is acknowledging that there _is_ that Chinese influence, especially considering those recent debates between Chinese and Korean netizens about culture.
So of course, Chinese netizens also got quite heated and some made comments about Korea that are also condemnable. But many were just exasperatedly trying to express that China _does_ have a culture and that not everything Chinese is stealing from Korea. Some were also asserting the historical fact about how Korea received influence from China, which _is_ a true historical fact, so I don’t fault them for that at least.
I can get the frustration on that front.
Plus there was also the whole issue with pickled dishes. If I remember correctly, Chinese paocai got to become an officially recognized intangible heritage, which for anyone else would be a decent fun fact to know, but Koreans viewed it as a theft of their kimchi. And surprise, surprise, it led to even more sinophobia.
Similarly, Korean netizens were outraged by China including a girl in a hanbok in the most recent Olympics at China, claiming China was stealing from them again. Except they ignored the fact there were 56 other ethnic dresses showcased at that event, because China has 56 officially recognized ethnicities and Korean-Chinese just so happens to be one of those ethnicities.
Even more ironic is that other Chinese ethnicities were also in their traditional dress, such as a Vietnamese-Chinese girl in what I believe was an ao dai, but no one from Vietnam grew enraged. It was only Korea.
I even remember a Korean street interview where two seemingly teenage girls or young adult women said they were disappointed China would feel the need to steal the hanbok, all while they ironically stood in front of a Korean Confucian temple that still had Chinese characters on it. It’s almost as if…cultures can intermix and mingle and influence one another.
It’s almost as if no culture develops purely in isolation. For example, China in fact received a lot of influence from Indian culture in terms of Buddhism and dunhuang and even some of the legends, like Nezha. But China does admit to that Indian influence.
Japanese culture also generally acknowledges its influence from China and even has some evolved differences from it, although Japan obviously has other issues with China (eg acknowledging WWII crimes).
There was another recent incident where a kpop MV used Chinese cultural elements and called it Korean and not Chinese, which kind of returns to the cultural intermixing thing again. Apparently the designer studied in China and used to tag their work as Chinese but stopped after the release of the MV, and some of the stuff in the MV was much more Chinese than Korean (a certain type of fan and Chinese knots). Which I wouldn’t really be upset about, but it does suck when remembering the Korean comments that looked down on China as having no culture besides the Manchurian queue, which they made fun of.
Like I know people fear China right now, and Korea has tensions with China in culture and politics. But it doesn’t feel excusable that some bad apples would shit on the entire nation’s culture that way.
And I know not all of Korea is like that. I was just shocked when I experienced it for the first time, and still feel pretty sad about it now. It also made me worry about speaking Mandarin to my mom when we went to Korea recently for an overnight transfer, so I generally spoke in English.
*TL;DR:* To narrow it down, no one really wants to accuse Koreans specifically of stealing Chinese culture; it’s more so just that people cannot seem to fathom that something cool can come from China. But there _have_ been tensions recently from Korean netizens misunderstanding and assuming that China wants to steal Korean culture.
@@rj-cs5es its understood they are knockoffs. I mean there are people buying them.
@@rj-cs5esother people claim it's Korean tough, which is annoying
@@greenmachine5600 Like how China claims all the seas they fish in.
Even if something originated from China or was inspired by Chinese culture... the version that is sold in Korea or Japan is seen as 'cleaner' and more 'refined' to fit western palettes and image... it just is what it is unfortunately. China is just not seen as 'cool' in media sense, but have some cool things like food and kung fu for the longest time but not much else.
racist af. Elaborate how is it "cleaner" or more "refined" ?
small brain hard to comprehend truth.
Yeah this is true, the Chinese food sold in Japan isn't greasy.
Isn’t part of the reason why Nepal and Tibet don’t want to be labeled Chinese for identity and political/liberation reasons? Because they don’t want to be absorbed into the Chinese identity. My Tibetan friends feel very strongly about preserving Tibetan culture and identity.
I disagree with some Korean said that the Chinese Gov claim Korean culture is Chinese Culture, Let me get this right.
Nobody claim your culture is Chinese culture, but the Gov needs to respect these ethnic Koreans live in China, because they are Chinese too. Have you ever seen any Han Chinese care about your Culture? Han Chinese have our massive culture, but Hui people has their culture, Manchu people has their own culture, Tibetan has their culture... got it, S. Korea? you are small country with only one ethnic group, China is big with 56 ethnic groups, can you imagine if the government say "you are not Chinese and your culture is foreign culture" to these ethnic Korean people? what will these ethnic Korean think? there are nearly 2 million ethnic Korean live in China, so you S. Korean think they are nobody in China? you are really disrespectful to these people!!
Just look at the South Korean flag regarding where the symbols came from and it will be clear
@@adnanzahir agreed
The literal name is in Chinese. There is no controversy that Korea is claiming Tanghulu as their own. Do more research and talk about real issues that actually exist.
If Korea wanted to steal credit for tanghulu, they would have rebrand it to different name.
nah they just exercise information asymmetry, and westerners fall for it.
Exactly!!!!
@@stevechowder3896 they aren't that creative, they just stole the name along with the idea.
No one is trying to steal "tanghulu" lmao
@@saeedhossain6099Like how China replicated Paris in Tianducheng, complete with an Eiffel Tower? Lol
Well most of the stuff rebranded by westerner because they see those things from Korea and Japan first. But Korea and Japan never claim them as theirs.
Unlike Indonesia claiming Chinese food as theirs. like
Chaofan - Nasi Goreng (Every country has it owns version of fried rice but Indonesian fried rice is 80% similar to Chinese fried rice)
Lo Mein - Mi Goreng (the word for mi itself is originated from Hokkien)
Also Bakso and Bakmi (Both originated from Hokkien)
I mean China tries to claim territories and seas that aren't theirs. I mean I'm Vietnamese so I am obviously bias against China but my Tibetan friends truly don't like China more than me.
Also didn't a Chinese government backed group of chinese university scholars try to claim all languages come from china?
是不是宣称你以为大家是傻子看看网上韩国人还有其他人当然有些可能不会只不过被中国人戳破了而已。😅
Listen, anyone who claims the fruit on a stick covered in syrup is anything other than Chinese is just simply ignorant or just misinformed as many tourists are. I do however want to take issue with the Chinese government/media, who would stop at nothing to absorb much of what is Korean culture as their own because there are some ethnic Koreans living in a region of China. Not only is this wrong, but it is also ignorant. Americans don't claim what is of a Mexican culture and claim it as their own just because there is a large contingent of Mexican American community that lives in the U.S. That would be silly. Right China?
nobody claim your culture is Chinese culture, but the Gov needs to respect these ethnic Koreans live in China, because they are Chinese too. Have you ever seen Han Chinese care about your Culture? Han Chinese have our massive culture, but Hui people has their culture, Manchu people has their own culture, Tibetan has their culture... got it, Korea? you are small country with only one ethnic group, China is big with 56 ethnic groups, can you imagine if the government say "you are not Chinese and your culture is foreigner" to these ethnic Korean people? what will ethnic Korean think? nearly 2 million ethnic Korean live in China, so you South Korean think they are nobody in China? you are really disrespectful to these people!!
Korean hanbok is not wufu or whatever. Hanbok can be easily identified simply visually. Can there be some shared characteristics? Yes, just like different cultures rices have similar characteristics. But different cultures rices remain separately categorized, just as hanbok and kimono should be from Chinese clothes.
Which came first wufu or hanbock. The one who came second is the copycat because its too similar. What is not similar is a wufu and a english persons attire
I recall a news article about American hamburgers are originated from China and Italian pastas were heavily influenced by Chinese noodles. At this point, China and its netizens should just claim pizza and hotdogs are from China as well. 🙃
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roujiamo
@@Revenger3rdUnit I have read the page before commenting. I don't know if you took my comments seriously, but it was meant to be sarcastic. Unless if you are referencing the articles in the footnote section, which I did recall many years back.
@@maplered1234 The Chinese version of the hamburger was invented in 200BC and China did indeed invent noodles which Italy based there pasta on so
@@Revenger3rdUnit Please read the 3rd paragraph of the overview section of Roujiamo wiki page. It states that it is "equivalent to western hamburger" and acknowledges that it is "one of the world's oldest type." Nowhere on the page states that hamburgers originated in China. The last sentence on the paragraph is self explanatory. As far as pasta, I also beg to differ. Italian pasta does not always refer to noodles, i.e. penne, macaroni, fettuccine, etc., these are uniquely Italian (in terms of "modern" pasta). Just because it is "based on" the fundamental ingredients to make pasta, it does not necessarily mean it is "from" China. Rather it was uniquely originated from the Etruscans, which predates Romans. I am sorry, bro. China might be one of the oldest civilization and had plethora of cultural influences, but not everything China claims is originated from China.
Wiki pages are crowd sourced..... does not mean it's fact. According to the bbc "A recent book by Silvano Serventi and Francoise Sabban has set the record straight in authoritative and fascinating detail. China was indeed the first country to develop the art of noodle making, but there were pastas in the Mediterranean world long before Marco Polo.While it’s highly unlikely that Marco Polo brought pasta to Italy, it is believed that pasta as we know it made its way westward from Asia at an earlier time, perhaps by nomadic Arab traders." So even if it isn't Chinese pasta originated from the East.@@maplered1234
As Korean tanhulu is Chinese snack as far as I know. It's just became popular in Korea that's it. We don't need tanghulu you guys can have it lol
koreans are best copying culture ever. First Chinese, then Japanese, now Murica.
What about chopsticks? Soy sauce, Sesame, tofu, china porcelain, and some of your last names….etc. Do you guys need them?
It's only a matter of time when koreans will try and claim Chinese Daoism, as they will say it is on their national flag, so it must be korean 😂
@@longdog33China is the knock-off capital of the world though.
I love how these videos mostly cover non-existing source for tension randomly picked from the internet. I live in the middle of Seoul and I've never heard of this problem before LOL. Its as if they are desperately looking for conflict to the point where they need to make stuff up. Guys, no one in Seoul thinks tanghulu is from Korea, and nobody is coming up with an evil plan to take over tanghulu. People who enjoy it appreciate it as Chinese snack the same way they appreciate sushi / pho as a Japanese / Vietnamese dish. We have enough conflict already no need to make stuff up. Also. if you still choose to live a low life and make shit up, at least put in some effort for research. I know this sounds condescending, but all I'm saying as someone who lives in Seoul the stuff you people say about us overseas is hardly relatable
fortune cookies were made by non Chinese people. nowadays it's synonymous with American Chinese food. life is funky that way.
I just saw a korean comment today on CZcams that said Chinese wearing and promoting Hanfu because they have an 'inferiority complex' ....... I was stunned by that comment and the logic. He said only the upper-class Chinese and people in the palaces wore Hanfu during the imperial dynasties. Therefore Chinese today wearing Hanfu is a sign of inferiority....
As a KA, I feel like my Chinese friends are more practical. I might spend money on an accessories and they would not and think it’s a waste of money.
Point no. 5 has a lot of negative impact on Chinese culture. CCP tried to erase or diminish ancient Chinese culture and traditions.
How to market Chinese things in the West: call it Japanese or Korean. Marketing of Chinese products in China is quite sophisticated (too you guys miss that) but anyone coming tp the issue with a negative attitude will not respond positively. On the other hand, when Western people actually visit China they are "surprised" we have a lot of cool culture and China is so modern.
I bet you think Kimchi is Chinese too? No one thinks Tanghulu or Malatang is Korean mate!
Hot-pot as a concept and culinary cannon is fundamentally Mongol cuisine because Chinese cuisine makes a great distinction in separating the spaces where the raw ingredients are cooked, and the dining space where it is consumed. Whereas, Mongol cuisine does not make this discrimination, and passed this style of eating hot-pot across Asia. Mongol warriors turned their steel helmets and shields into soup cauldrons and bbq plates and cooked thinly sliced meats as a nomadic culinary function, versus the sedentary nature of Chinese and other East Asian cuisine/culinary techniques.
There's differences. The version you are talking about is seen in some parts of northern China, and is also what is seen in Japan, named jingasu kan. The differences are the broths, and cauldron style and how you cook in the broth.
Bruh thats the first time i heard this but i tend to agree with u here… hotpot being one of the main dishes associated with chinese (is actually not chinese) lol 😂
True, many things that originated from Mongolia that got rebranded as Chinese
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
Hot pot isn't actually Mongolian. That's a myth
The game of baseball is considered as American as you can get - like hot dogs and apple pie! but it is actually a derivative of the game - Cricket. NO American would ever consider baseball a non-American sport, just because it's origin is from elsewhere.
I am Korean! Our culture goes back thousands and thousands of years. Because of our close proximity to China and Japan, as well as other Asian countries, of course there are going to be overlap in cultural similarities. To whine and complain who did what first, is quite silly. It's who is best known for it NOW that matters!
Two Chinese guys complaining about a stolen idea... Meanwhile, China produces knock-offs of every brand name item. Go figure... lol
No, baseball came from rounders, not cricket
key cultural disputes between Korea and China:
Cuisine and Culinary Origins
There are ongoing debates about the origins of various traditional Korean and Chinese dishes, such as kimchi, noodles, and dumplings. Both countries claim certain foods as part of their distinct cultural heritage, leading to disputes over intellectual property and cultural ownership.
Historical Figures and Artifacts
Korea and China have competing claims over historical figures and cultural relics. For example, there are disagreements about the nationality of ancient philosophers like Confucius, as well as disputes over ownership of archaeological sites and artifacts.
Traditional Medicine and Practices
Traditional Korean and Chinese medicine share some similarities, but there are disagreements about the origins and proper usage of certain herbs, therapies, and practices. This has led to arguments over intellectual property rights and cultural appropriation.
Language and Scripts
The use of Chinese characters in the Korean writing system has been a source of contention, with debates about the degree of Korean linguistic independence from Chinese influences. There are also disputes over terminology and translations between the two languages.
Holidays and Calendars
Celebrations like Lunar New Year and Mid-Autumn Festival have different cultural significance and traditions in Korea and China, leading to disagreements over proper observance and representation.
These cultural disputes are often tied to deeper political and nationalist tensions between the two countries. Resolving them requires careful negotiation and a willingness to acknowledge and respect each other's unique cultural identities.
Nice breakdown!!! 👍
Honestly, as a Korean overseas, that spent most of my entire life around a ton of both Koreans and Chinese, and love Chinese people and the culture almost equal to my own (of course, whatever you are yourself, should get the +1 point, just as all my Chinese friends will give it to Chinese, too! 😂), it's really annoying and upsetting to see this type of crap come up all over social media, breeding animosity and making negative feelings where there doesn't need to be.
I liked your list because at least to me, it just further highlights the fact that (at least imo) while these are all valid issues and topics of discussion, it very much seems like to me it should be researched, debated, discussed, and decided by the professionals and historians of each field (personally, I'll leave the politics to the politicians and activists).
I treasure and appreciate my relationships with the Chinese people and their community in my life, and really am annoyed at ignorant, toxic, 13 year olds online, trying to make trouble for no reason. 😮💨
I agree with a lot of the points you two made. I do think the "geopolitics" is a little more nuanced. Just because the US and her allies say China is a bad actor does not necessarily mean that is true. We need to look at it from a global perspective and not a Western perspective.
화약을 중국인이 발명했으니 미국과 러시아의 핵미사일도 중국것이라고 우기세요. 그리고 나서 세계인의 비웃음을 사세요.^^
Korean:We have a great invention.We invented the 38th Parallel divide the Korean peninsula into North Korea and South Korea.Is this joke funny, my Korean friend?
Don't be angry, I'm just joking
it's not true. 😜
buddhism originated from india but any other asian nations have buddhism and eat with chopsticks are influenced by china...
When i visit Korea in 2016, i only saw it in Myeongdong which is the tourist area for Chinese tourists. I didn't see it anywhere else, but maybe things have changed since 2016.
There are TWO types of "Chinese culture" : (1) Cultures created by the upper ruling class of foreign nobles (Qin, Han, Tang, Liao, Jin, Yuan, Qing...) such as Huns, Turks, Mongols, and Manchus, who conquered China in the past. (ex: Chinese character/literature, Hundred Schools of Thought, ancient clothing, *Tanghulu...) (2) "Western(西域)" cultures of India/Central Asia that flowed through the Silk Road into China. (ex: Buddhism, Kungfu, dumplings, noodles, breads, hot pot, lamb skewers...). FYI, even Confucius was of Mongolian descent, and Li Bai (Chinese: 李白) was from Kyrgyzstan.
As you can see in the poem below, Chinese culture had been heavily influenced by the "Western(Central Asian)" culture already at the time of the Silk Road. However, Chinese believe that the world revolved around them and everything was originated from them. :
★ “The horses from the West run in dust.
Carpets from the West are everywhere in Changan and Luoyang.
Women learn the Western makeup to become wives of Westerners.
Pub girls offer foreign songs and strive to play foreign music.
Western music, horses, makeup customs have been continuously flowing
Into the Central Plains (中原) for the past 50 years."
- A poem written by Wen Jin (元稹. 779-831) during the Tang Dynasty -
I dont see how any of this matters. This is a "who did it first debate" and really the shit doesn't matter.
exactly like the debate regarding where pasta originated
it's like buying exactly same product from Amazon vs Temu. Who would I trust and choose.
Temu!
Only a dumb brainwashed westerner would only trust Amazon…as if they don’t install apps on your phone to listen in on your convos.
The Amazon products are all made in china fool lmaoooo
@@UpInYourGrills Hell, no!!!!!...I trust Amazon as far as I can throw Bezos (only if his security would let me get close to him...lol) more than i would temu but then the same chinese businesses are in both selling tofu dreg products 😂😂😂😂😂
@@eduardocruz4341 idk, all of the products I've purchased from Temu have been good quality and a fraction of the Amazon price. Not to mention, I sleep better knowing I'm not contributing to increasing the wealth of another capitalist whitey lol
There's a reason why China was the dominant superpower east/southeast Asia for thousands of years. Literally almost everything is influenced from Chinese culture/Sinosphere. People always forget how old China is since they only see the last 100 years of the current China.
It goes both ways. Chinese people also say that kimchi is Chinese, which is obviously not true.
People shouldn't base their opinions on other countries with information from the internet.
I've never seen a Chinese person claim Kimchi is not Korean. However, China does have a very large Korean population that is sometimes referred to as the "third Korea" which makes and eats Kimchi. Can't help it if these Koreans in China claim ownership of it.
China produces every type of knock-off name brand item you can ever possibly imagine, and here they're complaining about "candy." 😂😅
No, no, China has never claimed kimchi as Chinese. 😂
They have their own variation called paocai, which evolved independently (because pickling vegetables isn’t exactly a unique aspect of cooking; western nations have pickled various vegetables as well). There are a few differences from kimchi, probably in the spices used or whatever-
But I’m guessing you made this misassumption that China is trying to claim kimchi as their own due to a controversy from a while back:
Due to paocai’s own history, it got declared as a world heritage by UNESCO iirc (which, remember, is a third party independent of Korea or China who had to verify paocai has enough merit to be an intangible world heritage), and Koreans got angry about it because _they_ felt like it was China copying kimchi from them.
This is unfortunately pretty common these days, because there was a lot of Korean hatred for China recently (for example, when China was showcasing its 56 ethnicities in their traditional dress during the Winter Olympics, they included a Korean-Chinese girl in hanbok and Korean netizens accused China of trying to steal hanbok. That too called back to an old controversy because Chinese people wearing Ming dynasty hanfu were _also_ accused by Korean netizens of stealing hanbok).
The hatred is bad enough I found out a lot of Koreans look down on Chinese people online a while back because a Chinese artist drew a hat that Koreans also claimed was Korean and not Chinese, with Korean people arguing China has no culture besides caricatures Korean netizens found of the Manchurian queue or the story of tank man, with some Koreans tweeting and commenting and using bots to flood CZcams comments that China was stealing other Asian cultures because China has no democracy which apparently ties into it wanting culture somehow.
Basically what I’m getting at here is that there was a lengthy period of time where Chinese people were exasperatedly trying to explain how China did have some historical influence on Korea, but Korean netizens took offence to that and claimed China was trying to steal from them. This snowballed into China being accused of theft constantly (eg with the Ming hanfu, with paocai, with the Winter Olympics, with the hat, with Confucianism, etc etc).
This is how that misunderstanding about China “trying to claim kimchi” started. Paocai is not kimchi! They are both pickled vegetables, but they’re different dishes and China was never trying to claim kimchi as their own. They just got lucky enough to get recognition as a world heritage, which was apparently a bad thing to some Korean netizens.
@@kukuandkookie That's the same type of claims that Chinese make about Koreans. They found something said by 1 anonymous person on the dark corner of a web and generalize it to say all Koreans believe this or that so that's why the pushback happened.
@@hdlk I mean a lot of Chinese people do mention they have had influence on Korea, but that’s not always them claiming Korean culture as theirs.
In contrast, I’ll copy and paste an older comment of mine from my own experience where Korean netizens apparently felt like China had no culture and it wasn’t on a dark corner of the web (it was on Twitter and CZcams).
Now please note, as I say in my old comment, _I do not believe all Korean people feel this way about China._ But there was enough it was alarming:
A lot of people are misunderstanding the point of the original video and getting defensive, such as mentioning that “Korea has never tried to steal tanghulu! They’re just selling it!”
That isn’t what the original video is saying. Literally in the _first_ few seconds, they mention how “these things actually aren’t Chinese… At least, that’s what the people on TikTok are saying.”
As in, they’re literally stating that it’s people on the internet making this rebranding. Nowhere did they mention Koreans trying to steal anything.
We have to remember that sinophobia is on the rise and a _lot_ of nations hate China right now. It’s rare for anything Chinese to be seen as cool, and even when it happens, due to political differences, people feel the need to make fun of and meme China (eg with the idea of the social credits system despite its lack of reality and at most resembling a credit score system).
Essentially, China still doesn’t have strong enough soft power.
This is different from Japan and Korea, where Japan got the help of USA after WWII in rebranding itself from a destructive colonizing nation to one of technology and politeness, with anime, once a nerdy thing that has since become cool, taking over the world.
Korea similarly got to build up its soft power via kpop, falling under a government initiative known as “Hallyu” or the Korean Wave. Which is essentially an intense marketing campaign-because we have to remember that soft power always comes back down to nationalism, patriotism, what the government wants and how far a country’s government can exert its influence without alarming other countries (as soft power is supposed to be less threatening than hard power) and what has since been named “nation branding.”
I’m actually writing my thesis on this right now, but basically China’s soft power is less efficient because its government is seen as the enemy. As such, it’s too closely associated with hard power even when the soft power has nothing to do with the government (eg with donghua, people still assume every Chinese animation somehow has ties to the government).
So anything cool from China is easily misunderstood by the masses (and not Koreans specifically) as Japanese or Korean instead because to the masses, Japan and Korea are cool and also safe to like.
But even with that out of the way, there _are_ certain tensions between China and Korea and trying to identify whether something in their culture has any ties to China at all.
Because…well, this shouldn’t be a controversial statement, but it is: China has had some influence on Korea and Japan, so there are similarities. But claiming so always seems to grind Korean netizens’ gears in the assumption that China is somehow trying to steal their culture, as if admitting influence from another nation illegitimatizes their own culture (note: it does not, in fact, illegitimize anything! China itself has been greatly influenced by India and that’s always been an acknowledged fact, as seen in _Journey to the West_ literally being a journey to India).
So this is how I found out a while ago there’s actually a lot of Korean hate against Chinese people (and well, there’s a lot of hate against China in general, especially politically, so it’s not entirely a surprise), but I was still disappointed as someone who was into Korean media and culture and wanted to get more into it.
The main reason it was disappointing was how _harsh_ the hatred was.
A while ago, a pretty cool Chinese manhua artist named Old Xian drew art of their characters in hanfu, and Korean netizens lost their minds over one of the character’s hats. They _insisted_ it was a Korean-exclusive hat.
Chinese and Korean people began duking it out on Twitter. I didn’t have any strong feelings about it, but I saw some nasty, _nasty_ sinophobia come out from Korean netizens at the time.
They claimed Chinese people didn’t have culture; or that their culture was just the tank man image and the Manchurian queue, with them attaching ugly caricatures of said Qing dynasty queue while laughing at it. They also claimed Chinese netizens were just desperately stealing Korean culture because China is undemocratic and desperate.
It was so disappointing, especially since before that, I had a pretty positive view of Korea and an interest in Korean culture and history. But that instance felt like a wake-up call-a reminder that much of the world still hates and looks down on China.
Then a while ago a Chinese CZcamsr made a video to highlight the differences between hanfu and hanbok because a Korean website had claimed a Ming dynasty hanfu as Korean and was again claiming that China was stealing Korean culture (even though hanbok actually received influence _from_ the Chinese Ming in terms of design). Her video was met with massive backlash, where Korean netizens used bots to spam dislikes and comments, much of which was the same copied and pasted rant of sinophobia-about how desperate and pathetic China was, stealing cultures because it lacks democracy and freedom (as if democracy and freedom somehow correlates to the preservation of culture).
It made Chinese people upset nobody is acknowledging that there _is_ that Chinese influence, especially considering those recent debates between Chinese and Korean netizens about culture.
So of course, Chinese netizens also got quite heated and some made comments about Korea that are also condemnable. But many were just exasperatedly trying to express that China _does_ have a culture and that not everything Chinese is stealing from Korea. Some were also asserting the historical fact about how Korea received influence from China, which _is_ a true historical fact, so I don’t fault them for that at least.
I can get the frustration on that front.
Plus there was also the whole issue with pickled dishes. If I remember correctly, Chinese paocai got to become an officially recognized intangible heritage, which for anyone else would be a decent fun fact to know, but Koreans viewed it as a theft of their kimchi. And surprise, surprise, it led to even more sinophobia.
Similarly, Korean netizens were outraged by China including a girl in a hanbok in the most recent Olympics at China, claiming China was stealing from them again. Except they ignored the fact there were 56 other ethnic dresses showcased at that event, because China has 56 officially recognized ethnicities and Korean-Chinese just so happens to be one of those ethnicities.
Even more ironic is that other Chinese ethnicities were also in their traditional dress, such as a Vietnamese-Chinese girl in what I believe was an ao dai, but no one from Vietnam grew enraged. It was only Korea.
I even remember a Korean street interview where two seemingly teenage girls or young adult women said they were disappointed China would feel the need to steal the hanbok, all while they ironically stood in front of a Korean Confucian temple that still had Chinese characters on it.
It’s almost as if…cultures can intermix and mingle and influence one another. It’s almost as if no culture develops purely in isolation. For example, China in fact received a lot of influence from Indian culture in terms of Buddhism and dunhuang and even some of the legends, like Nezha. But China does admit to that Indian influence.
Japanese culture also generally acknowledges its influence from China and even has some evolved differences from it, although Japan obviously has other issues with China (eg acknowledging WWII crimes).
There was another recent incident where a kpop MV used Chinese cultural elements and called it Korean and not Chinese, which kind of returns to the cultural intermixing thing again. Apparently the designer studied in China and used to tag their work as Chinese but stopped after the release of the MV, and some of the stuff in the MV was much more Chinese than Korean (a certain type of fan and Chinese knots). Which I wouldn’t really be upset about, but it does suck when remembering the Korean comments that looked down on China as having no culture besides the Manchurian queue, which they made fun of.
Like I know people fear China right now, and Korea has tensions with China in culture and politics. But it doesn’t feel excusable that some bad apples would shit on the entire nation’s culture that way.
And I know not all of Korea is like that. I was just shocked when I experienced it for the first time, and still feel pretty sad about it now. It also made me worry about speaking Mandarin to my mom when we went to Korea recently for an overnight transfer, so I generally spoke in English.
*TL;DR:* To narrow it down, no one really wants to accuse Koreans specifically of stealing Chinese culture; it’s more so just that people cannot seem to fathom that something cool can come from China. But there _have_ been tensions recently from Korean netizens misunderstanding and assuming that China wants to steal Korean culture.
MINISO is not even Japanese brand and they rebranded themselves as japanese.
MINISO is a Chinese copy of Daiso.
This is because if it was known as a Chinese brand, it would be immediately be boycotted. The hate is very real.
Holy shit I thought Miniso was Japanese. Another example is Genshin Impact, leans hard into Japanese culture in order to sell. This is why I’m excited for Black Myth Wukong - it is purely a Chinese creation that all Asians can enjoy since the story of Sun Wukong transcends borders
@@x01021 No, the only thing really Japanese about Genshin is the art style. Almost everything from the character names, to actual culture is actually Chinese. They managed to popularize fucking Beijing Opera for a bit.
@Drownedinblood Chinese people rebrand other Chinese products (ex. drinks, food) as Japanese in Mainland China because Chinese people also equate quality with Japanese products and distrust their own products
LOL 2 ABCs don't know what is cool in China and about China. Guys, you need a refresh.
Is the Maneki-Neko good luck cat a Chinese export too?
Lol now anything is Chinese?😂😂
Kimono means " Thing to wear" in Japanese. I don't know where did this "wu clothes" thing comes from. Also the modern kimono was developed around the 17th, 18th century. Chinese people talk like Japanese clothing didn't change for thousands of years😂😂
The modern kimono is a little different from its original look, but the kimono is clearly influenced by Chinese culture, something that the Japanese also recognize.
@@user-bs1sr9yf6y please stop. hanbok and kimono were influenced by Hu clothing (hufu in chinese)
@@Digizzzzs Archaeology, literature, and even third-party documents such as Japan's Kojiki (Nihonshoki) all record that Kimono is also called Gofuku. Before Japan accepted Chinese influence, it wore kantoui (貫頭衣). In 664 AD, King Munmu of Silla ordered Korea to adopt the clothing of China's Tang Dynasty. All of this can be found on the Internet. I'm telling the truth. What are you talking about?
@@user-bs1sr9yf6y the modern Kimono is substantially different from the clothes that Japanese aristocracy wore in the 7th or 8th century so whether it is originally Chinese or not is irrelevant. The fact that Japanese clothing was influenced by Chinese clothing in the 6th or 7th century doesn't matter, the Kimono is Japanese and nothing will change that.
@@user-bs1sr9yf6y Chinese clothing is not free of outside influence, for example Ming clothing was heavily influenced by Mongolian clothing yet you don't hear any Chinese saying that Ming clothing are originally Mongolian. It's foolish thing to say isn't it?
As an American that consumes media and information…a lot of random topics regarding those three countries never have I thought tanghulu was anything but Chinese. 🤷🏽♂️
Everything is made in China. China is is mother land and all other countries surrounding China was part of the mother land. The original Japanese were Chinese and indiginous Japan island people mixed and Koreans are basically a tribe in the Chinese region. They all brought Chinese culture to their own country. So Ramen, kimchi, any foods ALL came from China. Also China isn’t just Chinese, we have 56 different ethnicities that was all grouped together for more than 6000+ years ago (actually written down). We have deep rooted culture and Chinese are actually one of the oldest living cultures out in the world.
@@allio3459I’m not sure if you are trying to make China look good or bad. I am genuinely confused.
@@allio3459 You sound like the most insecured chinaman I have ever met lol... wow
@@briancho5514 he's just dropping knowledge bombs
I loved your impression of the Japanese; spot on. Overall great topic and I agree with the marketing aspect which is easier said than done.
이건 예전에 마치 한국이 공자는 다 중국인으로 알고 있는데도 중국 언론에서 한국인은 공자를 한국인 이라고 주장 한다는 터무니 없는 주장이 생각 난다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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I think it is not that the Chinese are bad at marketing. The recent wave of Chinese global brands rising so fast despite of all the barriers from the west proves that. I think it has more to do with geopolitics. First China came in late on the race however even when they started to catch up barriers after barriers were thrown at them by the West who controlled mass media especially in the early 20th century. The U.S naturally wanted to push culture and products from their allies like the koreans and Japan than from their rival like China or Russia.
One of the best example of this is hollywood. In the early 2000 there is a big push by the Chinese film industry to expand worldwide and so they teamed up with hollywood not only to learn to improve their technique but also to leverage hollywood's audience reach. However once there is a big momentum evident in these partnerships it was immediately cut off by the U.S citing the usual "national security" excuse and "China stealing hollywood technology so their films will dominate in the future" thingy. Also as far as I can remember there has always been a demonization of anything chinese in the western media with a few exceptions. Hence unlike koreans and japanese who has the support of the U.S to market their stuff globally, the Chinese have the opposite situation.
Another perfect example is the recently leaked vaccines scandal the Philippines and SEA where it was revealed that the U.S military implemented a concerted effort to discredit china's vaccine Sinovac and its other medical brands during covid to make way for U.S vaccines and sully China's name. They hired local influencers and social media posters to spam false negative info about China's Vaccines and medical products and even bribed local officials to block Sinovac from entering their respective countries.
The strength of the U.S soft power in the past allowed it to contain it's rival's public images because most people are more likely to believe them even without evidences. So when they say this product or country is bad, most people will just outright believe them. This included me when I was 14 years old and below. However U.S soft power has taken a big hit these last 10-20 years which has enabled not only china but other countries to counter a lot of the misinformation especially with how they also adapted to social media etc. to spread their word.
Even as a southeast asian myself knew tanghulu is chinese cause i’ve seen it in taiwan before it blew up on the internet.
Tanghulu originated in Khitans, a Mongolian minority, who conquered northern China during the Liao Dynasty (916 to 1125).
Fake news
as a Chinese I tend to believe it.
They have so many Chinese restaurant in Japan . Its almost 15% of restaurant that are Chinese restaurant. Japan have so much respect for Chinese food and history. Ive never seen this much respect for Chinese food in any other countries .
In Korea, there are many Chinese restaurants in each neighborhood. Koreanized jajangmyeon is sold in Chinese restaurants, and everyone knows that Tanghulu is also a Chinese food. I don't know why the Chinese are so worried. There are many strange rumors about Korea due to netizens in China. No one in Korea says Confucius is Korean.
@@Unknown-lq8qw source czcams.com/video/Hh06pkc6foc/video.html
It's not just about respect. It's about supply and demand. Meaning that if people are going to want to eat the food, they will open up the restaurants as much as they can make money from it. if they are going to get a lot of Chinese visitors, then making Chinese restaurants also makes sense. If they don't make money from it, the restaurants won't stay open. If it was just out of respect, then they would have every single Chinese restaurant open regardless of profit margin or possible bankruptcy.
Chinese wuxia dramas are very cool: Mysterious Lotus Casebook, The Untamed, Sword Snow Stride, Blood of Youth, Ancient Detective. I appreciate the writers, directors, actors, and everyone else associated with those dramas.
Another one: budo or bujutsu originated from the term wushu; just look at the characters used for bu and wu. Here it is www.researchgate.net/publication/285541266_Concept_of_budo_and_the_history_and_activities_of_the_japanese_academy_of_Budo
As someone who spent a good ount of time in japan and a bit of time in Korea i can say that
its not so much that Koreans and Japanese rebrand chinese things, what they do is they will promote it, giving a lot of details on its history and development in korea or Japan. but here is the catch, they will stop JUST SHORT of mentioning it's Chinese Origin. That way, they can give off the impression, that the thing us korean ir Japanese, but if you call them out, they can say they never claimed to take credit for it because they never explicitly said it, they just lead the audience to that conclusion.
Very sneaky 😉
Fung Girls are OBSESSED with Korea. Nearly EVERY video is about Korea. 😂😅
They're very passive aggressive towards Korea and Koreans in general. For two proud Chinese sisters, they sure do post a lot of things about Korean culture. Lol
对的宇宙起源于韩国啦😂😅
They have been making passive aggresive comments about filipinos too, they are wumao wannabes
Various sources from what I read have stated that "Hanbok" originated in MANCHURIA AND THE KOREAN PENINSULA. Which means Hanbok is both Chinese and Korean clothing, and can be worn by both Han Chinese and Korean people, since there were both Han Chinese and Koreans living in Manchuria going back 2,000 years ago.
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You guys asked the ultimate question. The answer is: chinese is made up of many smaller enclave of small cultures and nations. Many of them were appropriated into the northern more orthodox china Hebe to shangxi and forgotten their origin.
From Chat. If you know big words and stuff and have idea what this is called, feel free to state it here. The process you're referring to is often called assimilation. Assimilation occurs when smaller, distinct cultural groups or tribes are gradually absorbed into a larger, dominant cultural mainstream over time. This can happen through various means, such as:
Economic integration, where the smaller groups become economically dependent on or incorporated into the larger society.
Political integration, where the smaller groups come under the governance and laws of the larger society.
Social and cultural integration, where the customs, languages, and identities of the smaller groups are replaced by those of the dominant culture.
Assimilation typically results in the erosion or disappearance of the unique cultural traits and practices of the smaller, absorbed groups as they are subsumed into the prevailing culture. This can be a complex and sometimes controversial process, as it can involve the loss of minority cultural heritage and identity.
Or from other point of view, would Korean products be sexy because it’s not part of Chinese and it’s products not controlled by Chinese? And has no Chinese or japanese influence?
@@HkgHkg-gu3rdThe wealthier and more aligned with the West the Asian country becomes, the more trendy it's culture seems to become.
@@Ccl2tb yes. Korea is a success case. The next is probably Thailand may be five years later. The Philippines are already considered no differences from the North Americans and might be considered Hispanics living in an Asian island. 😂😂😂
Chinese will say everything is theirs or was created by them. Especially if it makes them money. There are professors in China, who says English was a Chinese dialect. There are people in China who says Jesus was Chinese. Thtat's how ridiculous Chinese are these days.
These two guys don’t really know what “rebrand” means!
Actually In China, they rebranded and selling the big famous brand name like Adidas, Nike, Guzzi, Zara so many more famous brands are selling as Chinese brand name.
Of course the quality is poor. It just copied the original and faked to Chinese brand name.
This is what rebrand means but I think these two guys maybe don’t know whether China is doing this shameful or not!
They should cherish their culture but why they always covete to others culture and don’t respect?
That's alot of fake news you're yapping about. Just because one nutjob says some crazy doesn't mean it's true. Same can be said for any nation's people. Stop over generalizing you clown.
@@whydoyoulive1 Chinese brands like "Abidas", "MichaelSoft", "StarFucks", "SamSong", "AIEPPLE", "X-Boy", "Soni", "Nikee" etc....
Wrong
it's more ridiculous you believe this about Chinese people. No Chinese believes English is Chinese dialect, or Jesus was Chinese. brain wash is to make you believe the most ridiculous things even you have normal IQ.
I think the geopolitical stuff is more than enough. China threatens and encroaches upon all its neighbors. The negativeity is a direct result of the CCP's actions. If I were from Nepal or Bhutan I'd be very concerned about and negative about China. Countries worldwide have to deal with Chinese industrial and military espionage and unfair economic practices. Chinese companies that I have dealt with have very little customer service and give the impression that once you've bought they don't care about you. These critism are because of Chinese. It's not about being uncool.
You have no room to talk. Everything you accuse China of is a direct result of exactly what America is doing to everyone else by enroaching on their sovereignty CLOWN
Agreed with the topics, but Chinese also rebrand their own stuff to the world to appear Japanese as well e.g. Pop Mart, MiniSo, Genki Forest, etc.
For more information, they even rebranded like Nike, Adidas, Guzzi, Zara so many more faked to Chinese brand name.
But if you attribute everything from where they originated from, then most of everything in Asia would then be "branded" as Chinese since there have been a lot of Chinese-Asian trade and intermingling for so long. So where's the line?
As a Chinese , I've also thought about this issue. Neighboring countries are influenced by China; can we consider this cultural appropriation? I have an example: czcams.com/video/sqQfMKnF5l8/video.html . In this video, it is said that this temple is from the Goryeo Dynasty, but its actual location is in southern China, so it couldn't have been influenced by Goryeo. I feel like I should argue against this. You can translate the comments from Korean netizens into English to see that they are trying to 'claim' this history.
why is the white girl talkin about asian culture
I mean what she said is true so I dont see anything wrong
@@finp6094 Not really if you do the research or read some comments lol
If there's a white CZcamsr in China where CZcams is banned, it's someone hired by the Chinese Communist Party.
@@aoh4905 From what I see.. I mean...
Are you an Asian using European language.
Equally compelling question: why is the White chick taking the lead, blonde-splaining while (I guess who must be) her boyfriend sits alongside, BB cream flawless, pursing his lips and nodding? Just wondering.
The white girl speaks better English
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I think wafuku used to be referred to as gofuku which actually refers to "wu"
Korean eats croissant and pizza too. It’s from Europe.
Chinese people sell cars. It’s from Europe.
"Lei's Real Talk" is Falungong. lol.
I think China is kinda seen as the villain and sometimes the most white/imperialist (even though there are more imperialist nations) so Asians don't want to give them credit and westerners want something more "exotic". It could also be the exclusionist principles that are more focused on Chinese people. Or it could be that most Asian immigrants are Chinese so the western world see's these immigrants and assumes that they have the whole picture of what China is and since other groups are so scarce it makes them more interesting.
Monkey king is chinese story, but his japanese incarnation Sun Goku in Dragon ball is original too. That's how we borrow from other culture
Yeah, it’s like Marvel is making the movie Thor who is a northern Europe god.
So true!
Because Anti-Chinese is promoted by the US president?
US should fire Sundar Pichai if Trump is elected. Sundar Pichai and Nvidia allowed cheneish to control garbage narratives and sensor youtube comments(musk would never). After all he is part of criminal who contribute to masscre of korean, turk, mongolian uygur tibet and CCP feels threatened by the Korea and Trump. these Indians try to pin the blame on north korea who helps themselves only and mind their own business and has nothing to do with ruzzia or europe and it is these indians massively buy russian arms and trade with them, and in large number sells asian companies and tech to CCP censorship(last week they ordered to attack some professors from cornell, sure?). trump said at one donor event he will deal with beijing and moskow, give nuclear arms to korea and justice back to turk korea mongolia uygur kazak and so on. small small CCP feels threatened so they are making these videos(youtube banned in china these are CCP target audience english speakers -US CANADA :P)
As a younger Korean-American, I was once offended when a Chinese-American acquaintance said that Korean culture came from China. It wasn’t said in a way that was nuanced so it triggered sensitivities I had towards Korea’s past with Japanese Imperialism where the culture and language were systematically attacked in an attempt to erase it
Because I didn’t understand the Chinese and Chinese-American experience the way I do today, I didn’t realize that here was someone who was trying to undo years of collective cultural self-hate and wasn’t necessarily trying to attack my own heritage
Us non-Chinese should not take it personally when Chinese people connect things with their own culture. Many of them are relearning how to be proud of their own culture and might be a bit awkward with how they express it but they don’t necessarily mean harm to us
Well said!
Enlightening comment
yes, Boxer Rebellion, Opium war, Sino wars, Japn during WW2, but the cultural revolution really did chinese in.
People just think these things are Japanese or Korean because they go there and see/try it which make them want to show it on social media. China is not tourist friendly as the other Asian countries, so its much easier to visit Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc. I lived in both Japan and China for a few years, and when I called my mother to visit me in China, it was very hard for her to get a tourist visa. They only issued it after we contacted people who had some connections.
This reminded me of that Wong Fu Production's Asian Bachelorette skit where Philip Wang's character yelled at the other bachelor "Zha Jiang Mian is from China, you told her it's from Korean" and the response was "She doesn't know the difference".
I heard from Korean CZcamsrs that Tanghulu is Taiwanese. Is this not correct?
Oh, and every Korean i came across considers Tanghulu as foreign. I watched Korean news a while ago, and it was reporting that a Korean traditional folk village in Jeonju had too many foreign-food vendors such as Tanghulu, takoyaki, etc, and many found this problematic, because a traditional village should be selling something authentically Korean. So i think it's a widespread knowledge among Koreans that Tanghulu isn't Korean.
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Ii think it's because Chinese abroad people in Korea have Taiwanese passport.
No it is not Taiwanese. Tanghulu has been in Chinese culture for thousands of years. 😂
Every culture wants credit for things that they have created! Especially if it has become popular, if it is negative we all head our head in the sand. This is why I really like watching the Hot Pot Boys, I learn so much on a social, cultural, Foodie and intellectual level.
,pretty much everything in korea came from china, including the languages, to costumes, to artechture,medicine,,, arts, music,,,,,,, food,,, kimichi, ,,toufu, noodle, soy sauce, even chopsticks,,,, everything, ,are all were imitation from china, the clothing hanbok is also from china, here is korean history record which records the chinese influence in all aspects, as follows:
1， Samguk sagi: 삼국사기 (三國史記): “”真德王三年春正月，始服中朝衣冠“”。 translation : korean Silla 真德 : people in silla ( korea) started to wear chinese clothing, Goryeosa (高丽史)，
2，Goryeosa (高丽史) History of Goryeo:“” 复行洪武年号，袭大明衣冠“”， translation : korean goryeo uses Chinese calendar of Ming dynasty and wear Ming costumes.
3, Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty 조선왕조실록. 朝鮮王朝實錄 ... Joseon Wangjo Sillok
高宗 36卷, 34年( 丁酉 / 대한 광무(光武) 1年) 9月 29日(阳历) 2번째기사 "我邦疆土, 系是汉、唐古地, 衣冠文物, 悉遵宋、明遗制, 接其统, 而袭其号, 无所不可" translation: korea 高宗 said: " korea was part of china in ancient time and korea imitate all clothing and all cultures from china, everything in korea are from china
Tanghulu not even Han's stuff. Northern normads conqured the land and the demographics changed a lot.
True. China (not just today but historically) has been multi-ethnic. As a result, whereas Korean/Japanese culture is relatively more homogeneous, Chinese culture has been and still is very diverse.
It is still Chinese 😂 literally been in Chinese culture for thousands of years now it’s popular because people in the west thinks it’s Korean, and the Koreans themselves don’t correct them. Just like how they claimed Chinese people were claiming hanbok as theirs when no Chinese person did. It was Koreans who claimed that China copied Hanbok making Hanfu even though Hanfu existed before Hanbok, so Koreans are wrong and are lying about that. And the part where Koreans said China claims Kimchi as Chinese but no Chinese person said that, Chinese people said kimchi is influenced by Pao Cai due to trades between China and Korea and Kimchi is Korean. But you know what is Chinese in the Kimchi? The Chinese cabbage used to make Kimchi 😂
This is really funny, because I'm Korean and I didn't know this was a thing. 3 things in the picture are clearly not Korean and it would be crazy for any Korean to claim they were. This is probably mistake by misinformed Westerners who find it difficult to tell apart. I do know that, not many, but some Chinese claim that Koreans are ethnically Chinese minority group (not just Chaoxianzhu but all Koreans) which triggers Koreans. Some Chinese also claim that kimchi and harbok are derivatives from Chinese culture and this also drives Koreans crazy. Interesting video.
Not some Chinese! Most of Chinese they are!
You have to be careful! If you talk something against to China your comment might be deleted. This happened to me here but I keep leave comments something that I have to correct it against to Chinese haha!
China invented fermented foods though and it goes back to the earliest recorded history of civilization. You can look it up. They may not have popularized it like Koreans though. Also I'm assuming you are referring to hanbok and it was created in the Northern Korean and Manchurian region which would be mean it was created in both Korea and China.
@@Revenger3rdUnit Manchu was territory of Korea a long time ago not China.
@@whydoyoulive1 That's not true. At most only a part of Manchuria was a part of Korea back then but here's the thing - it wasn't even called Korea back then. So it was a part of Manchuria as part Goguryeo which was one nation (or faction) of a 3 kingdom period of Korea during the 500AD. Also you could say that Korea was a part of China during periods of history as well. Also there are many Koreans who live inside China who identify as Chinese (Korean-Chinese) today.
@@Revenger3rdUnit There was time that China was part of Korea. A long time ago China wasn’t as big as now and Korea was not small as now.
isn't Korean rebrand chinese new with lunar new year
If Koreans really wanted to claim it, they would of added a “K-“ in front of the name or just rebranded with a Korean pronunciation 😂
Well that's how the Kwon girl pronounced tanghulu which was in the Korean way
its the chinese themselves who rebrand their culture as korean. i have seen alot of chinese tiktokers hastagging their douyin makeup as korean makeup
And then you have Korean entertainment companies such as K-pop group IVE’s company claiming the ‘HEYA’ music video represents Korean culture, yet they used many Chinese elements that’s not being used in Korean culture.
@@iNikkehx333 what are they? list please.
@@kin-cz9vu look up the video “ive’s heya and the recent appropriation of Chinese culture” video uploaded by aaa. They listed every single thing that was claimed as Korean culture in the HEYA MV is actually from Chinese culture
The origins of ketchup is suspect. Tomatoes are from the so-called new world!
Ketchup is from the UK, and that’s okay. A concept of a sauce in the ketchup family might have come a Chinese culture, but that doesn’t equate to ketchup being Chinese - fish sauce and ketchup isn’t the same.
Also, one of the original ketchup recipes had a mushroom profile base!
Apparently fungbros get their talking points from fact-free ultra nationalist weibo posts 😂
You mean the copyright killer that is China, is mad that someone stole their stuff. What in the Wish are you saying?
This is why I can't stand the Fung Bros. Their commentary is so basic and surface level.
Whats your youtube channel then?
Yet you are here commenting in their channel. Watch something you like instead of wasting your time with them.
@@francoisleung9330it's a white larper
Then get lost
because they're chinese...
I have to speak for Koreans , I’ve known a lot of Koreans they are pretty educated about what they should say and not say. It’s the foreigners that made it a problem.
There is a centuries-old ideology that seeks to portray groups outside of mainland China as the 'real' China or the 'successor' to China. This gained a lot of prominence when the Manchu-led Qing Dynasty took over China, and it gained more prominence with China's Century of Humiliation and Japan's Meiji-Showa era, and it gained even more prominence in a modern context due to the Communist victory and the Cultural Revolution and the recent Pivot to Asia. Fundamentally, this is the baseless notion that mainland China has irreparably lost its culture.
Of course, oftentimes there is no ideological motive or ill intent and we must be careful to not fan the flames.