Wooded Creek Drain Problems/Solutions
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2020
- This is my quest to deal with a drain coming out of a wooded area, which gets stopped up on a regular basis and creates a horrendous mess that takes me a day and a half and a couple hundred dollars to repair each time.
UPDATE: 10/17/2020 Lots of leaves have been falling.. A whole lot more than normal..
I am surprised.. We have had some pretty hard rains, and, for whatever reason, my setup has not really changed.. Water still running under the log.. The only buildup of leaves has been at the angle iron at the bottom of the rebar where I have it pinned down.. Not a real easy way to put a sheet metal ramp just over that, but, I am still thinking.. I don't think this will cause any stopage, but, I would rather it be clean of leaves.. Ha.Ha.. Yea Right! I will update if there are any changes..
Have you thought about maybe putting a second one of your log style, earthen, pour over dams maybe another 20 to 30 yards up, and just let that one go naturally and maintain the bottom one...maybe having one further up and doing its own natural thing will slow it down, and trap even more before it gets to the bottom?!?
Yea.. I walked the whole creek again today. From the top where I moved the mountain over 15 feet, and raised the bank up 3 feet, when I straightened the creek out to stop the first place the creek jumps out of the bank, down the creek to where this culvert is.. About 200 feet.. There are multiple poorovers like I am trying to create and test..
A small deep eddie behind each of them. Each of the ones up the creek are caused by either one or more large or very large and reasonably flat rocks that are being held in place by something or something else..
I am pretty sure that once the log captures and backs up to the point it is level with the top of the log, the effect of stopping the rocks is going to diminish greatly, but, I am hoping that if I can get maybe two logs high, it might create a large enough deep spot behind the obstruction that it will catch most of the rocks, and it is a spot that I can get my backhoe in to clean it out quickly...
There is another spot just above this one where I have two trees, one on either side of the bank that are holding some large rocks, and lots below that that have blown past..
I should be able to reach that spot too..
I think I can get 2 more of these between the trees and the one I just built..
So, I am thinking the same thing, if it works..
One test I am going to do once this fills in (depending on how it works while filling in), is a second log on top of the first, then, driving in some rebar about 6 inches apart just in front of the 2 logs, that stick up maybe 10 inches above the two logs and see how that stops the sticks/vines, etc..
I am hoping that I can create one area with 2-3 places that I can either clean out relatively quickly by hand (moving just what rocks start the fill in), or by machine (backhoe) maybe 2 times per year..
Ha.. If I could just stop the damn thing from getting clogged up and backing up and cutting a gorge through my boat yard, I wouldn't give a rats behind what happens up there, but, you know how that goes.. Ha..
I have played with the creek 3 times over the last 5 years.. I moved some pretty heavy duty rocks (large rocks, long with flat tops on them, and turned them sideways in the creek to try this upstream several times.. Only one of the rocks was still the way that I laid them in.. The rest, I'm not sure where they ended up.. The creek actually changes quite a bit when you start looking for individual rocks.. Most of the rocks I moved were impossible to lift, some of them impossible to even lift an edge of them, but, I could pry and turn them, etc..
It's like building an eddie in the river and going back after a high water and there are Zero rocks behind the eddie, but, a bunch of new ones that have been swept down the river to the front of what is left of the eddie that was built previously.. And we are not talking about Round rocks either.. The power of the water is quite amazing...
To be honest, I am hoping that the log does not push over the fence posts that I drove into the ground and create exactly what I am trying to avoid to begin with.. But, I am willing to try it anyway.. Depending on how long it takes to fill up to the top of the log will determine what size rope I use to tie off to the top of the stakes when I put the second log on.. I am planning on anchoring to some of the huge tree roots near the side of the bank..
I am going to replace the existing culvert at some point in the future.. I am trying to figure out if there is a way to resolve this problem before I do that, so, I don't regret doing something different.. I have also considered getting another piece of pipe the same size that I have now, with a 90 degree elbow, and extending it out to where this eddie is going to be and building basically a vertical fence around the top of it to keep it from clogging.. And, also considering, if this works, to go up river and create a couple of places where the creek has deeper sides and create some sort of rebar fence that would be able to catch the larger junk floating down the river and hold it, where it could be cleaned out by hand..
Playing with it, at least, it has been getting better instead of worse.. Ha..
It got out of the bank one time last winter, and was not bad.. I fixed it in May and in June, had another.. About 2.5 weeks after I fixed it.. Ha.>Ha.. Shit..
This time, it was a first.. Some sort of huge vine came down and matted up against the grate, then, the leaves and rocks did the rest.. I know there is no fool proof way to fix this.. Just hoping to find something that will only create a problem if I ignore keeping up maintaining it.. Up to this point, it has basically been, whenever Mother Nature wants to screw up my boat yard, she does it... I would feel much better if it were only to happen if I didn't keep an eye on it.. Ha.. I'll create some places I can clean out with a back hoe if I can get to that point.. Ha..
Thanks for the thought though.. Yes.. I am trying to cover all of the bases..
Apparently I am subscribed to your channel and this one popped up. I'm not expert at all, but here you have a link to a video explaining a lot of culvert and screens. Maybe you find t helpful or at least interesting. You could try a stepped screen like this: czcams.com/video/m_ZLyzByj98/video.html but it might be impractical to make.
I think your little dam will collapse. It will fill up with debris and water will pour on both sides eroding the walls and collapsing the dam. Again, wisdom only from watching a video somewhere. If you make it lower in the middle it might work, but from the looks of it the creek is way too steep.
Just my two cents and again, my wisdom only comes from watching a bunch of video's and might be totally worthless. :-)
Yea.. Great Video... I saw this about a year ago, and, what I am doing is actually a couple of those ideas wrapped up into one test.. It only took me 30 minutes to set this log/stake system up to test it and see how long it takes to fill it in and what volume of what I will be dealing with.. From that, I will be determining what I want to capture and what I have to let go through the drain and at what volumes I am dealing with..
My initial idea was based on the point in the video you sent me.. I figured, most of the obstructions would hit the angled grate and be pushed up, or float up the bars and be easy to clean out (rake up the bars with a garden rake and pull them out)..
But, only in a perfect world.. Ha.. I found that only a small portion, or some of the problems were floating and easy to see and pull out..
The stepped system would clog up too, and, water level would rise and the second level would stop up also.. But, great for someone who was watching it and could provide maintenance and cleaning of it, and wasn't dealing with the volume over the small time it gathers.. It can be clean and ready to go and 2 minutes later a vine comes in and 10 minutes later, stopped up and over flowing..
That is why I cut a couple of bars out and have moved up the creek a bit..
I have more height/depth to play with from the culvert 20' up the creek, and two places much further up the creek that I can do the same.. Interesting though.. The telephone polls in this clip of the same video: czcams.com/video/m_ZLyzByj98/video.html
is what I am going to add (using rebar), once I get this made into a pourover.. I might even wait and add the second log and let it fill up before I do that..
And, duplicate it in several places up the creek... It would be rebar driven down into the ground in front of the logs that would be designed to catch debris and larger rocks from coming down.. Sand/gravel and small rocks would go on through, but, hopefully catch the limbs/vines and big rocks.. I'll have to put them in places where it can stop up and the water run around it or over or through it, until I get up there and clean them out.. I am amazed at how much different kinds of things come down the creek.. You wonder where they come from.. Ha..
This is just a test to see how much volume and how fast the Sand/Gravel/Rocks build up initially, and how fast it creates a pour over which will keep the sand and small gravel out of the deeper spot behind the pour over, which will help me figure out the volume and size of medium and large rocks that are coming down..
Hopefully, that will tell me how many of the rebar screens I need up the creek and how to build them..
Yea.. I am with you.. I know it won't last.. Hoping the deposits of sand/gravel and small rocks pack up against the log first, which will reduce the overall pressure downstream on the log, and the force of the water will just go over it.. It's a bit sketchy until the water stops running through the crack below the log, because, that will wash the gravel/sand/dirt through and allow the hydraulic pressure to push up and back on it..
The ideal test would have been to move a huge flat rock into that area for a test, but, I wasn't ready for that yet.. I just was cleaning up the area and decided to see how much volume of what I am going to be dealing with... I'll make a playlist and post videos as I keep an eye on it, then, decide what and where I am going to attack this..
The final version of the stepped grid of rebar will probably be more crude, sit in the middle of the creek, or, in the outside bend of the creek to gather as much debris as possible, and a couple of them to have to clean when I do my maintenance..
The ideal thing would be so I could clean it out with a backhoe, but, getting it up there is going to be the trick.. Probably the place best suited for the right spot to build one will be the place hard to get with any equipment.
I have moved a bunch of larger flat rocks in the creek over the last 5 years.. I have some pretty nice pour overs.. But, each time you create one, the creek below it changes quite a bit, so, a little unpredictable.. There were several large slabs of rock that there was no way to get them out or moved that are now easily accessible because, it caused the small rock/gravel to wash out around them..
It is basically a shallow branch/creek, and one of the problems with putting barriers up to catch debris and possibly stop up completely.. The reason why I am leaving a way for the water to get around and see what happens to the ground around the obstructions.. I might have to move some slabs into both sides of the creek to somewhat direct most of the water and try to divert and catch the debris after it.... Was thinking about an upstream V with the smallest part upstream, and catch the debris off to the sides and let the water stay in the center, etc..
It's really weird because, you have something as small as leaves, which there are Billions of, to Rocks/limbs/logs that stop things up..
It is going to be interesting.. If I can just reduce what I have to deal with at the actual Culvert, I think I can come up with something that won't catch me with my pants down too often.. After I installed the grating, it wasn't a week before just about leaves only stopped the thing up with the 2" gaps between.. I would have never thought that would have been a problem, but, let a bunch of wet leaves start wrapping around two bars next to each other, and it won't be long they will start stacking all of the way across and over each other between the bars.. So, having them close together because of the leaves is a no go by itself.. With the current 8" spacing between the bars, I have not had a leaf clog again. It is always something plus the leaves.. But, it was pretty effective with everything else.. I am pretty sure I will need to create a couple of deep spots in the creek, by either lowering the bottom of the creek, or building up the sides, to be able to use some version of the stepped approach, which is on the agenda..
Thanks for the comment and video link.. I didn't save it and it was interesting to go back and look at it again.. I have it saved in this project folder now.. Thanks again..
@@MarkThomas123 Thank you for the reply. I see you have given things a lot of thought and hopefully I'll be able to see your success in of of your future videos :-).
@@RuitpootBuizerd Yea.. Success sounds really good to me.. Ha.. :) Thanks for the tips..