@@Virhtuebro hashi makes 1 wood clone with 50%cha, both become sages and both make wood golums(perfect susano counter) and they’re cooked, if hashi get Buddha statue then it’s even faster
Thing is Hashirama would actually say that. Although different to Sukuna he'd be genuine. He'd be like "you two Uchiha lads are strong. Don't feel too bad for losing."
The Madara just remembers Tobirama several years ago is just the dumbest downplay.Like we all know if you just asked kishimoto he would just say naw it means Tobirama was the fastest.Madara’s statments about the past have just been the facts.Does hashirama not have the best healing now because madara would just remember the last time they fight?Hashirama lived a good bit longer after that like tobirama. Like This isn’t dragon ball Z faster doesn’t mean you win automatically.Like madara would mangle Minato despite the speed difference.A sharingan sees the moves before they happen.Sage mode senses the moves before they happen.Hashirama and madara can be slower ,but perfectly capable of handling Tobirama.
@@Virhtue The debate exist because Tobirama don’t like Uchiha’s lol.Its really making a mountain out of a mole hill.The series has plenty examples for this statement not to be up for debate. Ever since part one,and even the last fight of shippuden this logic has been prevalent.Sasuke and naruto are the same damn speed in the final valley,but you wouldn’t know that till sasuke’s sharingan turned off and they were completely equal in base.Sage mode and dojutsu always grant an advantage in speed disparities,or give an edge to equal stats.
I think if Kishimoto wanted Tobirama to unambiguously be the fastest he would not have had Minato beat him to the battlefield, have Tobirama say he was faster than him, or call Minato the greatest in speed in Jin no Sho without giving a note in Tobirama's page. As shown against Lee, the Sharingan fails against foes who are significantly faster than the user.
@@Arcadia_warlic No use your head Minato wasn’t born when Tobirama was the fastest.The statement has ZERO ambiguity.Its either made that way from people who like Uchiha too much,or people trying to dragon Ball-ize Naruto. Significantly faster yes the sharingan is overwhelmed,but Madara and hashirama have really good combat speed.And another problem with that Lee example is sasuke had relatively bad taijutsu skills to begin with.
@@Archer170 I would say there is ambiguity in the other direction given Madara would not know if anyone got faster than Tobirama after he boasted the title, doubly so when Minato is heaped so many accolades, including faster movement by Tobirama himself. The Third Shinobi World War was only a few decades out from Tobirama's lifetime and shinobi who would have known how fast Tobirama was, like Hiruzen, do not hold Minato's title of fastest of all time in contention, so I would say the lore still leans in his favour. Sasuke's taijutsu was better than Naruto's who was above-average given his Academy scores, and this was after further training in the Land of Waves. It was simply that Lee was so much faster that he was that the Sharingan's precognition failed (that is, he could see it but could not use the visual input in time). It would seem Tobirama does not cross this threshold given Madara is confident only Hashirama can face him in combat. Does not even seem Minato would, if he is faster.
I appreciate your takes as always but I think you're using headcannon a bit much with Minato and Tobirama (I get that there's this massive debate between the two). The ideologies you contrasted are not exactly accurate but let me stick to battlestyles for these two: Minato is like an armored soldier who utilizes speed to blitz, eliminate, move onto the next. He recycles this stratagem because 98% of the verse cannot figure out his FTG. So yes, Minato does send himself into the throngs of battle. Tobirama is the opposite in that he is more of a Grand General/Delegator who plants traps and pawns on the chess board and waits for his opponent to move first... only then will Tobirama strike. This style is boosts success/victory rate and allows you to learn about the abilities of your foe without needing to put oneself in harms way. It's misleading to suggest Minato is someone who can do it all on his own and it is also misleading to say Tobirama would just sacrifice anyone and anything for the village... that's Danzo. Danzo puts himself above the village despite ironically living below it.
Big facts. Danzo even admitted when their team was pinned down and Tobirama appointed Hiruzen the Hokage before sending them off while he fought and died to the Brothers and 20 s ranked jonin is something Danzo could never have the balls to do. He wanted to be just like Tobirama, but wasn't even half the man or ninja the younger Senju was
Nothing to do with the powerscaling but man the Tobirama segment really showed me why I flunked literature classes😂😂 I never even thought about Minato's and Tobirama's respective narrative roles in the Juubito fight!
Btw even the base Sharingan abilities are op like Genjutsu, copying Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, and the perception ability that lets predict opponents moves and see in slow vision. Now the fact that all of that is used by these two is just an overkill to anyone other than Hashirama
I hard disagree with how you interpret Itachi, Killer Bee, and KCM1 Naruto vs. Nagato. Firstly, during the Amaterasu clash, Nagato is actively trying to be eliminated. We know he was resisting the Edo control as it's explicitly stated in one of the volume covers and we know that based off of Nagato telling Killer Bee and Naruto how to defeat him and alerting them to Itachi's Amaterasu. Nagato calls out the Amaterasu, notices Itachi's intentions, and decides to let himself get hit. Again, we KNOW Nagato is actively trying to die at this point and resisting the Edo Tensei. It isn't until after Kabuto takes over Nagato that we see him actually counter the Amaterasu because, again, Nagato is TRYING to die. Which I bring up to say Nagato wasn't blitzed by it, he saw it coming and allowed himself to get hit so he could die again. Secondly, we know Kabuto has taken over Nagato's body, and by that point, all of his actions are limited by Kabuto's reaction times and not Nagato's reactions. We know Kabuto is in control 1. because Kabuto is actively thinking of strategies to capture Naruto and Killer Bee 2. visually, Nagato's eyes are darkened when Kabuto takes over. This is actually a very big deal because Kabuto is not in Sage Mode yet when he takes over Nagato, and it isn't until Kabuto goes in Sage Mode against Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke that Kabuto shows any relativity to Edo Itachi tiered characters. Not only that, Itachi actively mentions how he uses Kabuto's psychology against him to thwart his plans, so we know Itachi understands Kabuto well enough to stop him right when he needs to. We see this mentioned when Kabuto is about to capture Sasuke, and Itachi mentions it as a character flaw he actively exploits and this is the same exact exploited character flaw we see Itachi take advantage of in Naruto, Killer Bee, and Itachi vs Nagato. Then there's also Kabuto actively talking about how he's not actually good at using the Rinnegan abilities and even forgetting what it can do. So, to summarize, Kabuto being in control is a big nerf to Nagato because 1. Base Kabuto has no feats showing relativity to Itachi 2. Itachi actively exploits a major character flaw in Kabuto 3. Kabuto actively acknowledges he's not adept at using the Rinnegan. Thirdly, and this is kind of a minor point, but I don't think the Yasaka Beads can maintain their shape after 3 beads making it a less potent attack. We see when Itachi adds the fourth bead the chain connecting the four beads breaks when he finally launched it at Kabuto. Since the three beads are able to stay connected they'd be a more powerful concentrated attack compared the scattered four beads spreading the damage out on multiple targets. We actually see a similar thing happening when Madara uses 14 Yasaka Beads that the chain connecting them breaks. That and Itachi not wanting to kill Kabuto AND Itachi telling Naruto and Killer Bee they HAVE to use their strongest attacks leads me to believe the four beads variarion is weaker than the weaker than the three beads variation (think of the three beads as an RPG and the four beads like a shotgun. One is a concentrated more powerful shot and the other one has a more spread out effect) Lastly, Itachi never DIRECTLY confronts Kabuto controlled Nagato. When he first uses the Susanoo he only does so after hiding AND blinding the animal summons when Kabuto was focused on something else. And then during the aftermath of the Chibaku Tensei Itachi attacks Nagato while concealed by smoke, which we know is an effective strategy to counter the Rinnegan. So, in neither exchange is Itachi directly attacking Nagato and is actively hiding and waiting for Kabuto to be distracted before attacking.
@@CH1C4N0444whenever people misinterpret the Nagato Vs Itachi fight, it be clear bias for Itachi and nothing more. If Nagato was a fan favorite Uchiha, he wouldn’t be downplayed as much. Bro said early EMS Sasuke is stronger than Nagato, can’t tell me that isn’t bias.
You should do naruto vs some opponents but to actually see which version of naruto can beat them For example naruto vs akatsuki, what version of Naruto can beat each members ect
But we kinda do know. Kakazu he first does the FRS and sage mode tangled with pain. Itachi wins due to genjutsu and kisame loses to sage mode bc he can't steal sage chakra wo turning to stone. Deidara actually might be a crazy good fight for Naruto pre sage mode.
The fact that tobirama can teleport means he is faster than hashi & madara. But, they are more superior to him in overall chakra & other aspects, but not speed. 👍
@@Virhtue I understand that ftg is not the same as reaction & combat speed👍 Tobirama with out it is on par with hashi & madara, its shown, you even made reference to that. Good analysis 👍 But he surpasses them in speef when he uses FTG. But they are superior to him because of their other " factors". 🙏👍
@@cantguardb3498 How is he faster ? Remember this is early EMS Saskue not peak EMS during the war. And what is a chidori gonna do even if it hits he’s and edo…plus Nagato can absorb all chakra on contact like he did against bee .
@@217superninja nigga it don’t matter he still faster. nagato don’t got any speed feats only reaction feats. as we seen in the war. and i’m talking about nagato not being edo. he can just chidori his head off
@@cantguardb3498what? Edo Nagato Negs and at best low diffs EMS Sasuke and badly. Here’s how Edo Nagato vs EMS Sasuke goes. Sasuke: shoots Amaterasu … Edo Nagato: Absorbs, enters hand to hand combat. Sasuke: gets grabbed, SOUL RIPPED (just like Naruto) except Sasuke HAS NO HELP. - GG’s. For fun, Sasuke escapes this grab. Nagato: CHIBAKU TENSEI!!! Sasuke DEAD. Sasuke has to Answer to this. NON.
@@cantguardb3498 how and what Jutsu’s does EMS Sasuke have to Answer Edo Nagato’s: .1) 6 Path Animals: Non. EMS Sasuke won’t even have enough time to shoot it off when Nagato is on his ass. 2.) Chakra Absorbtion - GG’s Susanoo like GG’s Naruto’s Chakra Cloak lol. 3.) CHIBAKU TENSEI!!! Sasuke gets shit stomped.
How are they equal? Itachi is superior in every way. The statement means itachi acknowledging sasuke that he became stronger than before. You don’t need databook for that. Even in the manga itachi said. You can probably kill that boar. This video can be debunked very easily.
Ems sasuke is FAR more powerful than itachi i don’t know what yall watched but it wasn’t Naruto. Itachi doesn’t even have a susano with legs lol. Ems sasuke has THE PERFECT SUSANO… What do you expect Itachi to do besides literally get stomped lol. Not only that but ems sasuke scales to much more powerful characters once he no longer has to hold back his power after joining the war.
Ngl saw this while eating and got so hype I almost choked and died. Just wanted to say to everyone else watching before I do to be careful, our king has leveled up again and now not only are his videos fire but also lethal. ☠️🙏🏾💯 Edit: stopped at 9:17 for predictions like you asked. I’ll be brief because I’m itching to get back to it. So I’ll list from how I think they preform worst to best. First is Hiruzen and Tsunade…. This is not a fight, if you take just Itachi alone he’s someone that narratively scales blatantly above Orochimaru. Who old man Hiruzen considers not only to be in his weight class but maybe even above it. And yes I know he was holding back and then he mollwaps Oro after his mental amp, but Oro was also holding back so even if you say it’s on a low end they’re still comparable. This same Oro just says “nah bro Itachi is something else, I’ll pull up on the strongest Kage and box the four tails with no arms, but Itachi… nah”. With just his 3T Sharingan Itachi would be a life threatening opponent for them and as soon as his Mangekyo comes out it’s over. Now there are two of him… Danzo would belong here too if he’s included. Next is Tobirama and while he’s no joke and honestly my favorite Hokage this is an all but impossible matchup for him. He may be arguably faster than them in speed when not using their Susanoo but the as showed in the Juubito fight Sasuke’s Susanoo can rival that base speed, however FTG should definitely be able to give him some room for era as even a stabilized Juubito has trouble reacting to Tobirama’s FTG. However aside from that I think base Tobirama, MS Itachi, and EMS Sasuke are all hyper relative with you potential arguing Tobirama stronger than them or vice versa depending on your stance. They also have potent fire style to contest Tobirama’s water style which he mains in character and even if you argue him beating out one of their fire styles he’s not going it to a combined fire style or even contesting the Amaterasu in terms of ap so he’ll have to avoid that which he can arguably but most likely do in base but certainly do with FTG, the problem is he’s dealing with two fighters of a similar tier to himself that can counter his strong suit being water style, have chakra avatars that are faster and far more durable than themselves and also possess potent genjutsu and kinetic vision due to their dojutsu. Tobirama also doesn’t have an infinite number of kunai to mark and transport to as a means to avoid attacks he otherwise couldn’t. Meaning no matter how much of a fight you think he puts up, he inevitably loses. In conclusion I think Itachi and Sasuke take it 7 out of ten times for if Tobirama is alive, and 5 out of 10 times in Tobirama’s favor if he’s Edo. As with tandem paper bombs he should be capable of destroying at least Sasuke’s Susanoo, and if not destroy Itachi’s depending on your interpretation of the Yatat Mirror, then forces Itachi to expend too much chakra to keep the Susanoo up but considering in his fight against heavy Sasuke Itachi’s Susanoo doesn’t dissipate until his literal death so Tobirama may be tagged in between attempts at barraging Itachi with explosions. This comment long as hell and I don’t anyone is gonna read this far anyway. But if you did thanks because it was fun to make. Edit 2: After some much needed thought, I have decided I was tripping on my Tobirama analysis, I think as long as you argue him at or above a base MS Itachi and Base EMS Sasuke then while alive it’s probably unlikely he takes them out more than they take him out especially because of their wordless synergy, I think it’s like a 5 or 6 in the Uchiha Brothers favor but lower if you argue Tobirama can place a marker on one of the two which is a fair chance considered it’s a two on one but with large water style as a distraction I think he can go pretty crazy if he lands a maker and his odds go up to like a solid 6 or 7 out of ten. Basically I think this battle is determined by how early you think Tobirama can take out either Sasuke or Itachi and I think if he can take down Sasuke first with enough chakra left over the fight is in the bag, because even at equal stats I think in a one on one Tobirama can certainly create an opportunity with his arsenal overwhelm Itachi enough outside his susanoo or as long as it’s not the full powered version to set up a flying rain slice to decapitate him or even tag him to make taking him out easier. So unless Itachi camps out in his V3 to V4 Susanoo the whole fight Tobirama should clutch out a one vs one but since Itachi does have infinitely regenerating chakra(which I forgot up until just now ) he could very well do just that. As for Edo unless you argue Yata Mirror can also tank a Ten Tails bomb then Tobirama clutches out with Tandem Paper Bombs 7 or 8 out of ten times. As expected the most difficult thing for Tobirama is breaking through their defenses. Also Itachi’s Skeleton Susanoo Kirin which is stated to be the pinnacle of all lightning release jutsu.
"Blitzed" Nagato with Totsuka - as in: used cover to hit a stationary target. There is not a single instance in the series where Itachi used Totsuka on a moving target.
Let’s talk about it. 1st Hokage: Not much debate with Hashirama winning besides reanimation Hashirama getting bullied by Itachi and Sasuke. 2nd Hokage: I appreciate the Tobirama hype because he use to my favorite Hokage back in the day. I’ll start by saying it’s a debate if Itachi or Sasuke could beat Tobirama 1 v 1 so in a 2 v 1 , 9 out 10 times Itachi and Sasuke is winning. 3rd Hokage: all forms except prime Haruzin is getting boxed up by the brothers 10 out of 10 times. 4th Hokage: maybe the most interesting one. Obviously he’s fast but the moment I saw Bee react to him is when I realized Naruto speed is built different than other animes. Wildy inconsistent and up for debate always. Minato is not blitzing Itachi and Sasuke at this level without them reacting and countering. I do think this is a 6 or 7 out of 10 times for Itachi and Sasuke, especially since they are both above KCM1 speed arguably and KCM2 my favorite Naruto form doesn’t seem to be to wildly faster but do think is faster than Itachi, Sasuke, and ALL THE 4 HOKAGES. Minato when he went to his own KCM would be faster. Minato is faster than all the Uchichas that’s not up for debate, but they definitely have the reaction speed to counter. Plus just like Minato they are Geniuses. Ya there’s now way I see Itachi and Sasuke losing this fight more than they are winning.
Off topic, but Madara really has to be the most skilled susano user. His doesn’t possess as many OP weapons or has someone like Itachi, with this totsuka blade and yata mirror, or Sasuke and his flame-controlled amped arrows, or DMS Kakashi, but it’s fine because he’s MADARA…. Dude’s already OP. But ignoring all that, he’s able to summon random parts of his susano to use as a shield of some sort, or to use offensively. Something that we don’t see from many other people. Like, Sasuke and Itachi they summon parts of their susano using their rib cage, like when Itachi covers sasuke with his hand, or when Sasuke is evading Obito’s truth seeking orb…. We never see those 2 summon like just a PIECE of the susano. I find it interesting, leads me to wonder what else Madara could have done with hi susano I made this one fan-animation when Madara tears apart his perfect susano, and makes it into sets of armor, and gives it to an army of white zetsu to fight against Momoshiki and Kinshiki…. It was actually pretty cool. And I think everyone’s seen the Susano Armored Sasuke drawings n shi
I’d be curious to see a video or your stance on this, it’s my belief that in Naruto: The Last Hinata received Hmauras chakra therefore receiving 6paths chakra correct? That would put her above other female ninjas in Naruto like Temari and Ino
Fire video as always bro🔥 Yeah a Kakashi vs. Madara video would be sick! Lowkey, I feel like that'd make some people mad, but I'm here for it personally😂
He is above the same Tobirama who is above to at least comparable to EMS Sasuke, who is stated to be eqaul to Itachi and perhaps even stronger due to it being later in the war. This is extremely consistent along with being stated above itachi two different times.
@@user-lr6fy7fh9h he not above tobirama. wtf did minato even do in the war? tobirama got better feats & a higher iq than him. and even if u think he over tobirama he still can’t 1v2 sasuke & itachi
@@cantguardb3498 he got the battlefeiled faster then tobirama and scales to a kcm 2 naruto who outsped edo madara who is even with at least base hashi who is even to slightly above tobirama
i really fw this vis but i was curious where did you get the statement of madara being the strongest uchiha and how do you know its not referring to his time alive? not disagreeing i just wanted to ask out if curiosity
I know Kishimoto was rushed to end the manga, but he definitely had an awesome opportunity here. After the war, Sasuke was arrested and then freed. It’s implied that Kakashi, Sakura, and Naruto all had to defend Sasuke to get his charges pardoned. I would have loved to see Naruto expose the elders actions for what happened to Itachi. Remember, they knew the truth of Itachi being forced to kill his clan to prevent a civil war. This act, led Sasuke down the path that to him being arrested in the first place.
u seem to enjoy using the word blitz without knowing the meaning..orochimaru knew about the totsuka blade but never saw it work, the eight headed hydra was never blitzed and orochimaru didnt even put up a fight and was caught offguard
That Sasuke is stronger than Nagato against Kabuto is dubious. The Mangekyō does not make the user stronger so Itachi beginning the battle with three tomoe does not make a difference nor would it make him a league stronger than Naruto. Sasuke would not be able to "bomb" the cave with Kirin since he would not be able to create the thunderclouds for it in an enclosed environment, unless be breaks open a ceiling first. It is unknown how much Itachi contributed. If Naruto and B together are 95%, Itachi could theoretically just be last 5%. Itachi needed to blind Nagato's additional lines of sight indicating Nagato might have been able to react if he actually saw the attack coming. The Truth Seeking Orb did not have Yin-Yang Release applied to it until after Obito stabilized. Beforehand it is just the acme of Shape Transformation. The progression of the user's eyes does not determine the strength of the Susanoo, though Madara does sometimes chooses to pair it with his Mangekyō. Seems unlikely that the Amaterasu is superior to the Chibaku Tensei which the Amaterasu could not overcome. Sasuke's profile actually states he surpassed Itachi with his eyes. Madara is called the strongest Uchiha in relation to him during the Sengoku Jidai. Madara and Obito together are called the strongest Uchiha during the war by Retsu no Sho. Tobirama developed the Edo Tensei as a live-saving measure due to the fact they could be used endlessly in lieu of actual soldiers, and he did not plan on the Uchiha to go extinct, as he seemed unaware of the consequences of his actions until it was brought up to him. He also clung unto the Will of Fire still, so he is not really the best match for Sasuke in that regard, since Tobirama strongly repudiated the Curse of Hatred. Madara could have seen Tobirama when they were both in the village after the Sengoku Jidai, but Tobirama being the strongest of all Gokage does not make him the fastest, as Tsunade is stronger than A, but slower. This dynamic could also theoretically apply to Madara and Tobirama (up to a point, until the kinetic vision stops making up for it). The Hiraishin does not let users react to foes faster than them. It allows the user to move faster than their bodies can if they can react. The jutsu itachi used against B is named wrong. Madara said he would stop being so careless before fighting Tobirama, so him choosing to block the Water Release does not mean they are actually stronger than earlier attacks. Danzō can react to the arrow, he can even cast Wood Release whilst noting he cannot move out of the way in time, he is simply physically slower than it. Itachi is not slower without the Mangekyō. VIZ did not do the redraw, it was in the collected Japanese release. Hiruzen was also arguably weakened against Orochimaru due to mental confliction, followed by injury, followed by the need to lower his lifespan with Shadow Clones. Basic fatigue might not apply to Edo Tensei unless they have their chakra drained given their immortal bodies. Hiruzen also got to the battlefield ahead of Tobirama in the anime. Enma could form a Vajra Wall faster than Edo Tensei Hashirama's Wood Release, which might be thereby faster than inferior Susanoo (depending on the degree of Edo Tensei supression). The second databook actually indicates Minato used Body Flicker to move over to Kakashi, not Hiraishin. Minato's exact age is not known in Minato Gaiden, but the opening splash text suggests it is during the Third Shinobi World War, not the second, which would place it closer to his twenties.
Great video, a question with Tobirama and matching him up against someone would it be unreasonable to to assume that a battle ready Tobirama would have edotensei's prepared for a battle before hand? I simply mean we know he created and used this jutsu and we know it is in his arsenal so giving him access to his full arsenal, with that being said I now see another question if he is able to use it in battle how many summons would be alocated to him for the battle. I would argue 3 based on Orochimarus summoning of hashirama Tobirama and presumable miniato. Then would be the question of how strong these summons would be before and after there tandem bomb. Now im not unreasonable so this is purely specualation there is no feats to go off or anything which points me to Tobirama mind, he would likely have S class shinobi as he would want to stand a strong chance in battle. There is an assumption that the mizukage and tsuchikage make when they are summoned and they think tobirama had summoned them. but i belive it to be possible a stretch to say his summons would be kage level so I think it would be safe to settle on S class shinobi. What are your thoughts?
I think fans take edo tensei out because it's kind of like a bail out of jail free card. I personally would just give him a single edo that's just fodder and call it a day
This Sasuke is still growing in power, but I would not say he was better than Nagato. I don’t believe that Sasuke could’ve juggled, KCM Naruto and killer bee as efficiently.
Tobirama can use clones to aid him against the Uchiha brothers . Tag either one or both, if himself or his clone about to suffer mortal attack like enton flames,do the same thing he did with Minato when they reciprocated each other, him or his clone acting as Minato.
Remember people tobirama and izuna are equal to Madara and hashirama in base until hashirama uses sage mode and madara the mangekyo! With this i conclude tobirama wins against the duo as well.
Sick Itachi was on par with Obito who is on Par with Minato. Its the only reason he kept Itachi alive and didnt send the Pain after them. It makes sense that healthy Itachi would be ridiculously OP
@@Virhtue It has to be true otherwise the story wouldnt make sense (even moreso) and we seen Edo Itachi perform feats that sick Itachi could never do Thinking about it, Obito is definitely below Minato without controlling a tailed beast and holding a baby hostage and Itachi is definitely weaker than Obito but not by enough to make Obito sure he'd come out unscathed hence "relative". Healthy Itachi would have to be *at least* as strong as Minato probably stronger
@@gpayne3728 Scaling in Naruto really doesnt make sense honestly. If Itachi and Jiraiya are relative and Itachi NO-DIFFED Orichimaru, how the hell was he fighting both Tsunade and Jiraiya with NO ARMS Obito and Itachi's convo greatly implies that Obito is stronger but they are relative as he isnt confident he would survive the battle. Obito is stronger than Pain meaning Itachi should be stronger but Pain beat Jiraiya so wtf Then there is Edo Itachi who freakin took on KCM Naruto and Bee at the same time which makes absolutely no sense as Edo versions are supposed to be weaker Powerscaling in this show is hella inconsistent
@@gpayne3728 Also, idc how strong Obito or Itachi is, how the heck did they kill an entire tribe of Uchiha's?? And how is Zabuza comparable to the other 7 water swordsman dudes? Their swords were freakin magic and the original sword owners were friggen super powered monsters. As a kid, that never made sense
@@aymanriki1018both are significantly faster than minato in base. Minato only out speeds them with ftg. His normal speed is nowehere near Itachi’s or sasukes.
Here is a quick rundown of the stats run through a combat simulation: base Hashi: loses 9/10 Sage Hashi: wins 8/10 Tobirama: loses 10/10 Hiruzen: loses 99/10 Minato: loses 10/10 edo Minato: loses 9/10. Characters like Sasuke, KCM Naruto, and Kakashi were able to react faster than KCM Minato. His base form is getting pounded into dust. Itachi with Koto: wins 10/10 all matchups
Great video. I've always find the Itachi beads scaling against the chibaku tensei false. It doesn't has the same AP as a Biju bomb. You have to be extremely generous to assume Itachi put out same amount of damage to the core as Naruto and bee
nagato >>>> itachi Itachi has no answer for chibaku tensei, bee's bijuu bomb and naruto's rasenshuriken did by far the bulk of the damage. it was a 3v1 etc etc Also, the firestyle didn't "damage" bee, he said ouch because it was kind of hot As for itachi vs naruto, naruto was literally speaking with him, and itachi was an edo with no free will so he was going hard. Naruto was casually speaking with him and not even feeling pushed vs an edo itachi which had no control over his actions. The itachi glaze is crazy. Nagato >> kcm1 naruto > early ems sasuke >= itachi
So you know how EMS Sasuke and KCM2SM Naruto sorta did a fusion against Obito? What if Itachi and Sasuke did that. Sorta made a perfect Susanoo that can fly and has the spiritual weapons from Itachi. Shit would be cracked
I disagree with the tobirama and minato sections you already know my scaling for tobirama I think he beats itachi and kabuto fight sasuke and I think minato loses it’s still a great video i just disagree with some of your scaling and interpretations
Ranking the speed of each character in this fight. Top tier Minato and Tobirama Middle Tier Madara, Hashirama, Itachi, and Sasuke Lowest tier Hiruzen That’s just based off all these Hokage plus levels of power and speed. Nothing suggest that full power Madara or Hashirama are speeds demons like they lore does for Minato and Tobirama, especially with flying thunder god. These two are blitzing anyone in mid tier due to their advance reaction times. Speed in most of these match ups won’t be the deciding factor.
Edo madara is stronger than his alive form.. he has A RINNEGAN and kabuto amped him with hashirama dna.. hes got his whole face on his shoulder.. i think kabuto states directly that ive made you stronger than your glory days.. not to mention madara is in edo and has infinite regeneration and unlimited chakra so..
Dude still trying to say it never needed all 3 to destroy Chibaku Tensei! Also only the Sasuke that can wrap his Susanoo over Kurama avatar is above Nagato.
It would add consistency to the tier that regardless of Tobirama’s speed it couldn’t beat Madara. Meaning with FTG surprise attacks he wouldn’t be able to beat him
@@PlayTari one more talking like if they were to just throw hands cuz obviously amaterasu and tsukiyomi are game over some more just testing ninja skills and then it's Batman so you know they would make something up, not to mention it is Arkham Batman although I do agree with you
@@benogle4951 well itachi can see every move batman can make before he makes it and is bare minimum faster than lightning. batman has lost to ppl like bane in a hand to hand fight so its not like he can compete with super human ppl in hand to hand consistently or anything. main thing is itachi can just predict every move batman can make and batman moves in slow motion to him because of the sharingan enhanced vision.
I hope I'm not overhyping him, but I believe tobirama and hashirama clear the Uchiha brothers. remember tobirama gets a 50% boost when going up against an Uchiha 😂
@AidenB1010 1 it was a joke, 2 now depending on version of tobirama it was he would definitely give sasuke Arun for his money and seeing itachi and tobirama battling it out with intelligence would be interesting since the can both cast genjustus and use shadow clones. The man literally has access to all 5 Chakra nature and mained in water to counter Uchiha fire and invented flying rajin to counter the sharingan that's why I at least made the joke but it also would be to far off because tobirama also had massive Chakra even though it's not like his brothers it still huge
If this was peak ems sasuke who has the perfect susanoo and is relative to kcm 2 sage mode naruto he easily wins every fight except for hashirama that would still be a tough fight
Ems sasuke having the perfect susano automatically clears Tobirama, hiruzen, tsunade, and minato if we’re talking hokage minato. There’s absolutely nothing any of them could do against a perfect susano besides run away. And people like tsunade and hiruzen wouldn’t even be able to manage that much. The only contentious battle would be hashirama vs ems sasuke and edo Itachi. And edo minato still loses as well, but he at least puts up a fight with the Kurama avatar.
Tsunade punched through Madaras Susano, meaning having enough chakra reserves and strength can break it. Tobirama spent more than half his life killing Uchiha..
@@TheDeadGunslinger she broke a ribcage which is the lowest version of susano you can use. She’s not doing anything to a perfect susano. She pretty much admits defeat with the rest of the kage when they piss their pants at the sight of madara’s susano. And what’s tobirama and his knowledge going to do to defeat a perfect susano, and a mini susano that has an impenetrable shield, and a blade that can seal anything it touches?
Let’s see Shikamaru: This man definitely gonna get cooked Tsunade: Yeah she getting cooked Kakashi: Unless it’s DMS he’s folded Old Hiruzen: Couldn’t even beat Orochimaru Prime Hiruzen: Maybe but honestly I don’t think he has something for yata mirror Tobirama: He might be too racist to lose but honestly idk 🤷 Flying Raijin was literally made to deal with Uchiha and Tobirama has been dealing with them his whole life so he might be able to pull through but honestly if Kotoamatsukami somehow lands he’s done for but I don’t really see that happening Minato: He has an improved version of Flying Raijin so he might stand a better chance than Tobirama but Tobirama got the experience so it might even out but Minato also has sage mode but he himself said he’s never used it in battle however with KCM he definitely winning because Kurama would just dispel any genjutsu besides Kotoamatsukami but I don’t see itachi landing that with Minato’s speed and I don’t see Itachi landing totsuka blade either Hashirama: He beat EMS Madara when Madara had Kurama on his side do I need to go further Naruto: Honestly hokage Naruto will beat their asses it’s not even funny they ain’t Jigen so Itachi and EMS Sasuke not gonna be like “You only got Six Paths Power” like Jigen was
Disagree on Tobirama, Sasuke alone beats him .. Itachi with Sasuke is overkill. KCM Minato can go either way, he beats both of them in a 1v1 but 2v1 .. dk can't really call Agree on the rest👍
@@kumarayush9950 Kurama would just dispel any genjutsu and Minato is fast enough to place Raijin markers on Itachi and Sasuke midfight so not even Susanoo saving them and according to the Data Book Madara and Izuna were equal and Tobirama killed him so that’s why I consider that he could beat Sasuke and Itachi. I’ve heard that the Madara and Izuna being equal was a mistranslation but I’ve only heard that from one person and it was in a Quora form I’ve heard from multiple people that the data book states it so naturally I’m going with the majority here
@@TheAwsomeManny On Itachi I think he would be able to but Sasuke is very fast, fast enough to tag Juubito so it wouldn't be so easy going past his perfect Susano to place the marker, that's the reason in think it's close
Compared to wat we saw naruto clones doing through out the battle fields, the original naruto's performance seem a little weak. One naruto clone was able to fight madara & create barrages of rasengans, plus fight old raikage. So itachi was fighting a weaker naruto. 👍
itachi and nagato being able to shit on the real naruto after he fought relatively to the raikage isnt inconsistent at all and doesnt change anything, nor does it mean naruto was weakened. do you really think itachi, with the strongest genjutsu, ninjutsu, sharingan(at the time), and susanoo weapons plus the highest intelligence in the verse plus nagato who has perfect mastery of the rinnegan and both have unlimited chakra arent able to easily beat the raikage? ayy isnt doing shit to them
@@AidenB1010 Naruto instantly ran out of chakra after that fight, he barely even did anything. Prior to that, he made 1000 clones & scattered them all over. He was far from top shape. Admit it. 👍 It was a clone that fought old raikage, plus fight madara. Look at how he was shitting on pain after he went killer mode 😂. The original body, barely did shit. Meaning he was weakened. 👍
@@Virhtue the performance of the main body was lacking. His clones did even better. Instantly after hardlying doing anything ( jutsu), he ran out of kcm chakra. Nagato didnt take his chakra. 👍
@@Virhtue i really do enjoy your contents, even though i might not agree with all your views. So dont take me the wrong way 😂. Your content's are amazing, i really enjoy them, good job, keep it up 🙏👍
Please be just joking because the Itachi base has enough unnecessary hate haha 🤣 . Comments like this doesn’t help. He’s a beast no doubt but I think this video is overall pretty close to being accurate to how these fights would go.
Itachi is inferior to Sasuke by mid to late war. Look up thunder god's video on it for more information. To put it short Sasuke was heavily nerfed and more than once could have killed Kabuto off rip
When Sasuke gained EMS, it was stated that it was at that point where he surpassed Itachi. Itachi basically had more of a plan against Kabuto than Sasuke since Sasuke JUST got his new eyes and Itachi has way more experience
When Sasuke gained EMS, it was stated that it was at that point where he surpassed Itachi. Itachi basically had more of a plan against Kabuto than Sasuke since Sasuke JUST got his new eyes and Itachi has way more experience
I know what the replies to this are gonna be but screw it.... Edo Itachi + EMS Sasuke mid diff Hashirama - Itachi & Sasuke _individually_ have a higher Battle IQ than Hashirama. This isn't even partially close - Itachi & Sasuke _individually_ have higher versatility than Hashirama - Itachi alone has WAY more One-Shot abilities than Hashirama, add Sasuke's Amaterasu + Genjutsu - Hashirama has shown _zero_ Genjutsu resistance, when has Madara even attempted to Genjutsu him.... never. That's just not Madara's style, but it is Itachi and Sasuke's style - Amaterasu _hard_ counters most if not all Wood Style attacks because that's just how fire & wood & physics works. - I argue EMS Sasuke definitely has Perfect Susanoo but even if you don't want to say that, both of their Susanoo have hax that Hashirama has never seen or thought of before - Tosuka Blade, Tsukuyomi, Kagatsuchi, Kotoamatsukami & Amaterasu are all One Shots that Hashirama is not aware of and this combined with Itachi and Sasuke BOTH being FAAAR smarter..... it's very likely they'll be able to trick or catch Hashirama out before he enters SM
Prove that they have a higher battle IQ. Also Madara put A under genjutsu. The sharengun is known for genjutsu, and yet you assert that Madara never used it on Hashirama in any of their battles. If genjutsu would have worked on him then why wouldn't Madara a person with a mastered EMS have used it then? Another point, what about deep Forest emergence? That attack literally creates a forest that exudes poisonous pollen. I'm sorry but they're just outclassed. Hashirama fought a far stronger EMS wheilder who had the Ninetails which was wrapped in a perfectSusano.
@@thmistrapillay1811 edo tensei is a jutsu that revives the dead by using a sacrifice to be a vessel for a summoned soul. They are granted an undying body. His old age is nullified therefore those limitations can not exist so he would have to be near his prime because he was brought back near full power; let’s say 90% *leaf Jonin voice*
Tobirama can use clones to aid him against the Uchiha brothers . Tag either one or both, if himself or his clone about to suffer mortal attack like enton flames,do the same thing he did with Minato when they reciprocated each other, him or his clone acting as Minato.
Hashirama: stand proud, you are strong.
As Itachi seals him after blitzing him with the Totsuka blade
@@Virhtuebro hashi makes 1 wood clone with 50%cha, both become sages and both make wood golums(perfect susano counter) and they’re cooked, if hashi get Buddha statue then it’s even faster
Thing is Hashirama would actually say that. Although different to Sukuna he'd be genuine. He'd be like "you two Uchiha lads are strong. Don't feel too bad for losing."
@@starplus1890 Just a comedy bro 🤣
Hashirama would low key adopt them😂
i love how tobiramas section of the hokage vids is always the longest😂
The Madara just remembers Tobirama several years ago is just the dumbest downplay.Like we all know if you just asked kishimoto he would just say naw it means Tobirama was the fastest.Madara’s statments about the past have just been the facts.Does hashirama not have the best healing now because madara would just remember the last time they fight?Hashirama lived a good bit longer after that like tobirama.
Like This isn’t dragon ball Z faster doesn’t mean you win automatically.Like madara would mangle Minato despite the speed difference.A sharingan sees the moves before they happen.Sage mode senses the moves before they happen.Hashirama and madara can be slower ,but perfectly capable of handling Tobirama.
Yes we clearly all know as that’s why there is debate over it
@@Virhtue The debate exist because Tobirama don’t like Uchiha’s lol.Its really making a mountain out of a mole hill.The series has plenty examples for this statement not to be up for debate.
Ever since part one,and even the last fight of shippuden this logic has been prevalent.Sasuke and naruto are the same damn speed in the final valley,but you wouldn’t know that till sasuke’s sharingan turned off and they were completely equal in base.Sage mode and dojutsu always grant an advantage in speed disparities,or give an edge to equal stats.
I think if Kishimoto wanted Tobirama to unambiguously be the fastest he would not have had Minato beat him to the battlefield, have Tobirama say he was faster than him, or call Minato the greatest in speed in Jin no Sho without giving a note in Tobirama's page.
As shown against Lee, the Sharingan fails against foes who are significantly faster than the user.
@@Arcadia_warlic No use your head Minato wasn’t born when Tobirama was the fastest.The statement has ZERO ambiguity.Its either made that way from people who like Uchiha too much,or people trying to dragon Ball-ize Naruto.
Significantly faster yes the sharingan is overwhelmed,but Madara and hashirama have really good combat speed.And another problem with that Lee example is sasuke had relatively bad taijutsu skills to begin with.
@@Archer170 I would say there is ambiguity in the other direction given Madara would not know if anyone got faster than Tobirama after he boasted the title, doubly so when Minato is heaped so many accolades, including faster movement by Tobirama himself.
The Third Shinobi World War was only a few decades out from Tobirama's lifetime and shinobi who would have known how fast Tobirama was, like Hiruzen, do not hold Minato's title of fastest of all time in contention, so I would say the lore still leans in his favour.
Sasuke's taijutsu was better than Naruto's who was above-average given his Academy scores, and this was after further training in the Land of Waves. It was simply that Lee was so much faster that he was that the Sharingan's precognition failed (that is, he could see it but could not use the visual input in time). It would seem Tobirama does not cross this threshold given Madara is confident only Hashirama can face him in combat. Does not even seem Minato would, if he is faster.
I appreciate your takes as always but I think you're using headcannon a bit much with Minato and Tobirama (I get that there's this massive debate between the two). The ideologies you contrasted are not exactly accurate but let me stick to battlestyles for these two:
Minato is like an armored soldier who utilizes speed to blitz, eliminate, move onto the next. He recycles this stratagem because 98% of the verse cannot figure out his FTG. So yes, Minato does send himself into the throngs of battle.
Tobirama is the opposite in that he is more of a Grand General/Delegator who plants traps and pawns on the chess board and waits for his opponent to move first... only then will Tobirama strike. This style is boosts success/victory rate and allows you to learn about the abilities of your foe without needing to put oneself in harms way.
It's misleading to suggest Minato is someone who can do it all on his own and it is also misleading to say Tobirama would just sacrifice anyone and anything for the village... that's Danzo. Danzo puts himself above the village despite ironically living below it.
Big facts. Danzo even admitted when their team was pinned down and Tobirama appointed Hiruzen the Hokage before sending them off while he fought and died to the Brothers and 20 s ranked jonin is something Danzo could never have the balls to do. He wanted to be just like Tobirama, but wasn't even half the man or ninja the younger Senju was
@@richborn6700well spoken
Nothing to do with the powerscaling but man the Tobirama segment really showed me why I flunked literature classes😂😂 I never even thought about Minato's and Tobirama's respective narrative roles in the Juubito fight!
Btw even the base Sharingan abilities are op like Genjutsu, copying Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, and the perception ability that lets predict opponents moves and see in slow vision. Now the fact that all of that is used by these two is just an overkill to anyone other than Hashirama
I hard disagree with how you interpret Itachi, Killer Bee, and KCM1 Naruto vs. Nagato.
Firstly, during the Amaterasu clash, Nagato is actively trying to be eliminated. We know he was resisting the Edo control as it's explicitly stated in one of the volume covers and we know that based off of Nagato telling Killer Bee and Naruto how to defeat him and alerting them to Itachi's Amaterasu. Nagato calls out the Amaterasu, notices Itachi's intentions, and decides to let himself get hit. Again, we KNOW Nagato is actively trying to die at this point and resisting the Edo Tensei. It isn't until after Kabuto takes over Nagato that we see him actually counter the Amaterasu because, again, Nagato is TRYING to die. Which I bring up to say Nagato wasn't blitzed by it, he saw it coming and allowed himself to get hit so he could die again.
Secondly, we know Kabuto has taken over Nagato's body, and by that point, all of his actions are limited by Kabuto's reaction times and not Nagato's reactions. We know Kabuto is in control 1. because Kabuto is actively thinking of strategies to capture Naruto and Killer Bee 2. visually, Nagato's eyes are darkened when Kabuto takes over. This is actually a very big deal because Kabuto is not in Sage Mode yet when he takes over Nagato, and it isn't until Kabuto goes in Sage Mode against Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke that Kabuto shows any relativity to Edo Itachi tiered characters. Not only that, Itachi actively mentions how he uses Kabuto's psychology against him to thwart his plans, so we know Itachi understands Kabuto well enough to stop him right when he needs to. We see this mentioned when Kabuto is about to capture Sasuke, and Itachi mentions it as a character flaw he actively exploits and this is the same exact exploited character flaw we see Itachi take advantage of in Naruto, Killer Bee, and Itachi vs Nagato. Then there's also Kabuto actively talking about how he's not actually good at using the Rinnegan abilities and even forgetting what it can do. So, to summarize, Kabuto being in control is a big nerf to Nagato because 1. Base Kabuto has no feats showing relativity to Itachi 2. Itachi actively exploits a major character flaw in Kabuto 3. Kabuto actively acknowledges he's not adept at using the Rinnegan.
Thirdly, and this is kind of a minor point, but I don't think the Yasaka Beads can maintain their shape after 3 beads making it a less potent attack. We see when Itachi adds the fourth bead the chain connecting the four beads breaks when he finally launched it at Kabuto. Since the three beads are able to stay connected they'd be a more powerful concentrated attack compared the scattered four beads spreading the damage out on multiple targets. We actually see a similar thing happening when Madara uses 14 Yasaka Beads that the chain connecting them breaks. That and Itachi not wanting to kill Kabuto AND Itachi telling Naruto and Killer Bee they HAVE to use their strongest attacks leads me to believe the four beads variarion is weaker than the weaker than the three beads variation (think of the three beads as an RPG and the four beads like a shotgun. One is a concentrated more powerful shot and the other one has a more spread out effect)
Lastly, Itachi never DIRECTLY confronts Kabuto controlled Nagato. When he first uses the Susanoo he only does so after hiding AND blinding the animal summons when Kabuto was focused on something else. And then during the aftermath of the Chibaku Tensei Itachi attacks Nagato while concealed by smoke, which we know is an effective strategy to counter the Rinnegan. So, in neither exchange is Itachi directly attacking Nagato and is actively hiding and waiting for Kabuto to be distracted before attacking.
I wrote a novel, I can't blame Virhtue if I he "tl;dr," me
Uhh…I’m always objectively correct, jk some decent points
@@Virhtue 🤝🤝🤝
@@CH1C4N0444whenever people misinterpret the Nagato Vs Itachi fight, it be clear bias for Itachi and nothing more. If Nagato was a fan favorite Uchiha, he wouldn’t be downplayed as much. Bro said early EMS Sasuke is stronger than Nagato, can’t tell me that isn’t bias.
Nerfed Nagato easily man handled Naruto and Bee, early EMS Sasuke isn’t doing that
You should do naruto vs some opponents but to actually see which version of naruto can beat them
For example naruto vs akatsuki, what version of Naruto can beat each members ect
Lemme write this down
But we kinda do know. Kakazu he first does the FRS and sage mode tangled with pain.
Itachi wins due to genjutsu and kisame loses to sage mode bc he can't steal sage chakra wo turning to stone.
Deidara actually might be a crazy good fight for Naruto pre sage mode.
The fact that tobirama can teleport means he is faster than hashi & madara. But, they are more superior to him in overall chakra & other aspects, but not speed. 👍
Combat/reaction Speed and FTG speed aren’t the same
@@Virhtue I understand that ftg is not the same as reaction & combat speed👍
Tobirama with out it is on par with hashi & madara, its shown, you even made reference to that. Good analysis 👍
But he surpasses them in speef when he uses FTG. But they are superior to him because of their other " factors". 🙏👍
Early EMS Saskue is getting rolled by Edo Nagato , he literally has no way to put down Nagato and gets all his jutsu absorbed .
for one sasuke is faster and he’d blitz him with chidori
@@cantguardb3498 How is he faster ? Remember this is early EMS Saskue not peak EMS during the war. And what is a chidori gonna do even if it hits he’s and edo…plus Nagato can absorb all chakra on contact like he did against bee .
@@217superninja nigga it don’t matter he still faster. nagato don’t got any speed feats only reaction feats. as we seen in the war. and i’m talking about nagato not being edo. he can just chidori his head off
@@cantguardb3498what? Edo Nagato Negs and at best low diffs EMS Sasuke and badly.
Here’s how Edo Nagato vs EMS Sasuke goes.
Sasuke: shoots Amaterasu …
Edo Nagato: Absorbs, enters hand to hand combat.
Sasuke: gets grabbed, SOUL RIPPED (just like Naruto) except Sasuke HAS NO HELP. - GG’s.
For fun, Sasuke escapes this grab.
Nagato: CHIBAKU TENSEI!!!
Sasuke DEAD. Sasuke has to Answer to this. NON.
@@cantguardb3498 how and what Jutsu’s does EMS Sasuke have to Answer Edo Nagato’s:
.1) 6 Path Animals: Non. EMS Sasuke won’t even have enough time to shoot it off when Nagato is on his ass.
2.) Chakra Absorbtion - GG’s Susanoo like GG’s Naruto’s Chakra Cloak lol.
3.) CHIBAKU TENSEI!!! Sasuke gets shit stomped.
I like that Tsunade and Danzo aren't even factors in this discussion 😂🎉
I most definitely would not say Sasuke is on Itachi's level at that point that entire fight has Sasuke being saved multiple times by Itachi
that's because edo itachi can take much more risks since he's edo and can regenerate. plus already stated itachi considers sasuke his equal
@@aymanriki1018 itachi does have better genjutsu, izanami and the totsuka blade+yata mirror though
How are they equal? Itachi is superior in every way. The statement means itachi acknowledging sasuke that he became stronger than before. You don’t need databook for that. Even in the manga itachi said. You can probably kill that boar. This video can be debunked very easily.
Ems sasuke is FAR more powerful than itachi i don’t know what yall watched but it wasn’t Naruto. Itachi doesn’t even have a susano with legs lol. Ems sasuke has THE PERFECT SUSANO… What do you expect Itachi to do besides literally get stomped lol. Not only that but ems sasuke scales to much more powerful characters once he no longer has to hold back his power after joining the war.
@@reignjudgment1028 lmao
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Edit: stopped at 9:17 for predictions like you asked. I’ll be brief because I’m itching to get back to it. So I’ll list from how I think they preform worst to best. First is Hiruzen and Tsunade…. This is not a fight, if you take just Itachi alone he’s someone that narratively scales blatantly above Orochimaru. Who old man Hiruzen considers not only to be in his weight class but maybe even above it. And yes I know he was holding back and then he mollwaps Oro after his mental amp, but Oro was also holding back so even if you say it’s on a low end they’re still comparable. This same Oro just says “nah bro Itachi is something else, I’ll pull up on the strongest Kage and box the four tails with no arms, but Itachi… nah”. With just his 3T Sharingan Itachi would be a life threatening opponent for them and as soon as his Mangekyo comes out it’s over. Now there are two of him… Danzo would belong here too if he’s included.
Next is Tobirama and while he’s no joke and honestly my favorite Hokage this is an all but impossible matchup for him. He may be arguably faster than them in speed when not using their Susanoo but the as showed in the Juubito fight Sasuke’s Susanoo can rival that base speed, however FTG should definitely be able to give him some room for era as even a stabilized Juubito has trouble reacting to Tobirama’s FTG. However aside from that I think base Tobirama, MS Itachi, and EMS Sasuke are all hyper relative with you potential arguing Tobirama stronger than them or vice versa depending on your stance. They also have potent fire style to contest Tobirama’s water style which he mains in character and even if you argue him beating out one of their fire styles he’s not going it to a combined fire style or even contesting the Amaterasu in terms of ap so he’ll have to avoid that which he can arguably but most likely do in base but certainly do with FTG, the problem is he’s dealing with two fighters of a similar tier to himself that can counter his strong suit being water style, have chakra avatars that are faster and far more durable than themselves and also possess potent genjutsu and kinetic vision due to their dojutsu. Tobirama also doesn’t have an infinite number of kunai to mark and transport to as a means to avoid attacks he otherwise couldn’t. Meaning no matter how much of a fight you think he puts up, he inevitably loses. In conclusion I think Itachi and Sasuke take it 7 out of ten times for if Tobirama is alive, and 5 out of 10 times in Tobirama’s favor if he’s Edo. As with tandem paper bombs he should be capable of destroying at least Sasuke’s Susanoo, and if not destroy Itachi’s depending on your interpretation of the Yatat Mirror, then forces Itachi to expend too much chakra to keep the Susanoo up but considering in his fight against heavy Sasuke Itachi’s Susanoo doesn’t dissipate until his literal death so Tobirama may be tagged in between attempts at barraging Itachi with explosions.
This comment long as hell and I don’t anyone is gonna read this far anyway. But if you did thanks because it was fun to make.
Edit 2: After some much needed thought, I have decided I was tripping on my Tobirama analysis, I think as long as you argue him at or above a base MS Itachi and Base EMS Sasuke then while alive it’s probably unlikely he takes them out more than they take him out especially because of their wordless synergy, I think it’s like a 5 or 6 in the Uchiha Brothers favor but lower if you argue Tobirama can place a marker on one of the two which is a fair chance considered it’s a two on one but with large water style as a distraction I think he can go pretty crazy if he lands a maker and his odds go up to like a solid 6 or 7 out of ten. Basically I think this battle is determined by how early you think Tobirama can take out either Sasuke or Itachi and I think if he can take down Sasuke first with enough chakra left over the fight is in the bag, because even at equal stats I think in a one on one Tobirama can certainly create an opportunity with his arsenal overwhelm Itachi enough outside his susanoo or as long as it’s not the full powered version to set up a flying rain slice to decapitate him or even tag him to make taking him out easier. So unless Itachi camps out in his V3 to V4 Susanoo the whole fight Tobirama should clutch out a one vs one but since Itachi does have infinitely regenerating chakra(which I forgot up until just now ) he could very well do just that. As for Edo unless you argue Yata Mirror can also tank a Ten Tails bomb then Tobirama clutches out with Tandem Paper Bombs 7 or 8 out of ten times. As expected the most difficult thing for Tobirama is breaking through their defenses. Also Itachi’s Skeleton Susanoo Kirin which is stated to be the pinnacle of all lightning release jutsu.
I read it my goat❤️
When you scaled itachi off nagato remember kabuto didn’t even know how to use nagato properly, he was nerfed
Actually, when Kabuto took control, he used the Rinnegan masterfully like he had had it for years. It was VERY impressive.
"Blitzed" Nagato with Totsuka - as in: used cover to hit a stationary target. There is not a single instance in the series where Itachi used Totsuka on a moving target.
Let’s talk about it.
1st Hokage: Not much debate with Hashirama winning besides reanimation Hashirama getting bullied by Itachi and Sasuke.
2nd Hokage: I appreciate the Tobirama hype because he use to my favorite Hokage back in the day. I’ll start by saying it’s a debate if Itachi or Sasuke could beat Tobirama 1 v 1 so in a 2 v 1 , 9 out 10 times Itachi and Sasuke is winning.
3rd Hokage: all forms except prime Haruzin is getting boxed up by the brothers 10 out of 10 times.
4th Hokage: maybe the most interesting one. Obviously he’s fast but the moment I saw Bee react to him is when I realized Naruto speed is built different than other animes. Wildy inconsistent and up for debate always. Minato is not blitzing Itachi and Sasuke at this level without them reacting and countering. I do think this is a 6 or 7 out of 10 times for Itachi and Sasuke, especially since they are both above KCM1 speed arguably and KCM2 my favorite Naruto form doesn’t seem to be to wildly faster but do think is faster than Itachi, Sasuke, and ALL THE 4 HOKAGES. Minato when he went to his own KCM would be faster. Minato is faster than all the Uchichas that’s not up for debate, but they definitely have the reaction speed to counter. Plus just like Minato they are Geniuses. Ya there’s now way I see Itachi and Sasuke losing this fight more than they are winning.
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Off topic, but Madara really has to be the most skilled susano user. His doesn’t possess as many OP weapons or has someone like Itachi, with this totsuka blade and yata mirror, or Sasuke and his flame-controlled amped arrows, or DMS Kakashi, but it’s fine because he’s MADARA…. Dude’s already OP. But ignoring all that, he’s able to summon random parts of his susano to use as a shield of some sort, or to use offensively. Something that we don’t see from many other people.
Like, Sasuke and Itachi they summon parts of their susano using their rib cage, like when Itachi covers sasuke with his hand, or when Sasuke is evading Obito’s truth seeking orb…. We never see those 2 summon like just a PIECE of the susano. I find it interesting, leads me to wonder what else Madara could have done with hi susano
I made this one fan-animation when Madara tears apart his perfect susano, and makes it into sets of armor, and gives it to an army of white zetsu to fight against Momoshiki and Kinshiki…. It was actually pretty cool.
And I think everyone’s seen the Susano Armored Sasuke drawings n shi
Fatigue for Tobirama in Edo? (When you're talking Hiruzen fight) Good Video regardless! 👍 I totally agree with Minato being very much underrated.
Glad you enjoyed!
I’d be curious to see a video or your stance on this, it’s my belief that in Naruto: The Last Hinata received Hmauras chakra therefore receiving 6paths chakra correct? That would put her above other female ninjas in Naruto like Temari and Ino
Fire video as always bro🔥 Yeah a Kakashi vs. Madara video would be sick! Lowkey, I feel like that'd make some people mad, but I'm here for it personally😂
hokage minato beating itachi & sasuke? wtf. delete your channel asap😂
he does
He is above the same Tobirama who is above to at least comparable to EMS Sasuke, who is stated to be eqaul to Itachi and perhaps even stronger due to it being later in the war. This is extremely consistent along with being stated above itachi two different times.
@@user-lr6fy7fh9h he not above tobirama. wtf did minato even do in the war? tobirama got better feats & a higher iq than him. and even if u think he over tobirama he still can’t 1v2 sasuke & itachi
@@cantguardb3498 he got the battlefeiled faster then tobirama and scales to a kcm 2 naruto who outsped edo madara who is even with at least base hashi who is even to slightly above tobirama
in kcm he woops them
i really fw this vis but i was curious where did you get the statement of madara being the strongest uchiha and how do you know its not referring to his time alive? not disagreeing i just wanted to ask out if curiosity
I know Kishimoto was rushed to end the manga, but he definitely had an awesome opportunity here. After the war, Sasuke was arrested and then freed. It’s implied that Kakashi, Sakura, and Naruto all had to defend Sasuke to get his charges pardoned.
I would have loved to see Naruto expose the elders actions for what happened to Itachi. Remember, they knew the truth of Itachi being forced to kill his clan to prevent a civil war. This act, led Sasuke down the path that to him being arrested in the first place.
I actually it was better originally
u seem to enjoy using the word blitz without knowing the meaning..orochimaru knew about the totsuka blade but never saw it work, the eight headed hydra was never blitzed and orochimaru didnt even put up a fight and was caught offguard
That Sasuke is stronger than Nagato against Kabuto is dubious.
The Mangekyō does not make the user stronger so Itachi beginning the battle with three tomoe does not make a difference nor would it make him a league stronger than Naruto.
Sasuke would not be able to "bomb" the cave with Kirin since he would not be able to create the thunderclouds for it in an enclosed environment, unless be breaks open a ceiling first.
It is unknown how much Itachi contributed. If Naruto and B together are 95%, Itachi could theoretically just be last 5%.
Itachi needed to blind Nagato's additional lines of sight indicating Nagato might have been able to react if he actually saw the attack coming.
The Truth Seeking Orb did not have Yin-Yang Release applied to it until after Obito stabilized. Beforehand it is just the acme of Shape Transformation.
The progression of the user's eyes does not determine the strength of the Susanoo, though Madara does sometimes chooses to pair it with his Mangekyō.
Seems unlikely that the Amaterasu is superior to the Chibaku Tensei which the Amaterasu could not overcome.
Sasuke's profile actually states he surpassed Itachi with his eyes.
Madara is called the strongest Uchiha in relation to him during the Sengoku Jidai. Madara and Obito together are called the strongest Uchiha during the war by Retsu no Sho.
Tobirama developed the Edo Tensei as a live-saving measure due to the fact they could be used endlessly in lieu of actual soldiers, and he did not plan on the Uchiha to go extinct, as he seemed unaware of the consequences of his actions until it was brought up to him. He also clung unto the Will of Fire still, so he is not really the best match for Sasuke in that regard, since Tobirama strongly repudiated the Curse of Hatred.
Madara could have seen Tobirama when they were both in the village after the Sengoku Jidai, but Tobirama being the strongest of all Gokage does not make him the fastest, as Tsunade is stronger than A, but slower. This dynamic could also theoretically apply to Madara and Tobirama (up to a point, until the kinetic vision stops making up for it).
The Hiraishin does not let users react to foes faster than them. It allows the user to move faster than their bodies can if they can react.
The jutsu itachi used against B is named wrong.
Madara said he would stop being so careless before fighting Tobirama, so him choosing to block the Water Release does not mean they are actually stronger than earlier attacks.
Danzō can react to the arrow, he can even cast Wood Release whilst noting he cannot move out of the way in time, he is simply physically slower than it.
Itachi is not slower without the Mangekyō.
VIZ did not do the redraw, it was in the collected Japanese release. Hiruzen was also arguably weakened against Orochimaru due to mental confliction, followed by injury, followed by the need to lower his lifespan with Shadow Clones.
Basic fatigue might not apply to Edo Tensei unless they have their chakra drained given their immortal bodies. Hiruzen also got to the battlefield ahead of Tobirama in the anime.
Enma could form a Vajra Wall faster than Edo Tensei Hashirama's Wood Release, which might be thereby faster than inferior Susanoo (depending on the degree of Edo Tensei supression).
The second databook actually indicates Minato used Body Flicker to move over to Kakashi, not Hiraishin.
Minato's exact age is not known in Minato Gaiden, but the opening splash text suggests it is during the Third Shinobi World War, not the second, which would place it closer to his twenties.
Great video, a question with Tobirama and matching him up against someone would it be unreasonable to to assume that a battle ready Tobirama would have edotensei's prepared for a battle before hand? I simply mean we know he created and used this jutsu and we know it is in his arsenal so giving him access to his full arsenal, with that being said I now see another question if he is able to use it in battle how many summons would be alocated to him for the battle. I would argue 3 based on Orochimarus summoning of hashirama Tobirama and presumable miniato. Then would be the question of how strong these summons would be before and after there tandem bomb. Now im not unreasonable so this is purely specualation there is no feats to go off or anything which points me to Tobirama mind, he would likely have S class shinobi as he would want to stand a strong chance in battle. There is an assumption that the mizukage and tsuchikage make when they are summoned and they think tobirama had summoned them. but i belive it to be possible a stretch to say his summons would be kage level so I think it would be safe to settle on S class shinobi. What are your thoughts?
I think fans take edo tensei out because it's kind of like a bail out of jail free card. I personally would just give him a single edo that's just fodder and call it a day
do a madara//juubidara vs the Boruto era leaf village gauntlet 🙏🏼
How is early EMS Sasuke Stronger than Nagato?
Exactly, what is EMS Saskue gonna do to Nagato .He’s getting cooked badly .
lol he isn't, a kcm1 naruto clone would body him
@@aymanriki1018 that’s what virtue said
The only somewhat debatable matchup here is Minato. Every other Hokage either slams or gets slammed
Bro is the biggest tobirama hater of all time trolling with the pfp 😂
Itachi & Sasuke > Tobirama sure
@@espritsaincorpsain I agree but still
just not wanking him lol
because "certain people" love to take his feats outta context and push an agenda of he some secret madara slayer 😭
@@user-lr6fy7fh9h huh
This Sasuke is still growing in power, but I would not say he was better than Nagato. I don’t believe that Sasuke could’ve juggled, KCM Naruto and killer bee as efficiently.
Why didn’t he discuss Tsunade or Danzo in the video? I would have loved to listen to that.
because either itachi OR sasuke would win low diff
Because they get shit stomped
Tobirama can use clones to aid him against the Uchiha brothers . Tag either one or both, if himself or his clone about to suffer mortal attack like enton flames,do the same thing he did with Minato when they reciprocated each other, him or his clone acting as Minato.
7:21 Didn't shinra tensei laugh off Amaterasu? I sm jor eyee how much weight that has. Chibaku Tensei is better too
where do you find these colored manga panels?
Remember people tobirama and izuna are equal to Madara and hashirama in base until hashirama uses sage mode and madara the mangekyo! With this i conclude tobirama wins against the duo as well.
Sick Itachi was on par with Obito who is on Par with Minato. Its the only reason he kept Itachi alive and didnt send the Pain after them. It makes sense that healthy Itachi would be ridiculously OP
This just isn’t true and is misconstrued and I’ve talked about this many times
@@Virhtue It has to be true otherwise the story wouldnt make sense (even moreso) and we seen Edo Itachi perform feats that sick Itachi could never do
Thinking about it, Obito is definitely below Minato without controlling a tailed beast and holding a baby hostage and Itachi is definitely weaker than Obito but not by enough to make Obito sure he'd come out unscathed hence "relative". Healthy Itachi would have to be *at least* as strong as Minato probably stronger
Obito got beat in seconds by Minato. How are they on par?
@@gpayne3728 Scaling in Naruto really doesnt make sense honestly. If Itachi and Jiraiya are relative and Itachi NO-DIFFED Orichimaru, how the hell was he fighting both Tsunade and Jiraiya with NO ARMS
Obito and Itachi's convo greatly implies that Obito is stronger but they are relative as he isnt confident he would survive the battle. Obito is stronger than Pain meaning Itachi should be stronger but Pain beat Jiraiya so wtf
Then there is Edo Itachi who freakin took on KCM Naruto and Bee at the same time which makes absolutely no sense as Edo versions are supposed to be weaker
Powerscaling in this show is hella inconsistent
@@gpayne3728 Also, idc how strong Obito or Itachi is, how the heck did they kill an entire tribe of Uchiha's?? And how is Zabuza comparable to the other 7 water swordsman dudes? Their swords were freakin magic and the original sword owners were friggen super powered monsters. As a kid, that never made sense
we need that kakashi vs madara video
I think they destroy most of em except for like hashirama
neither are faster than base minato and plus he can go sage mode if he wants to
@@aymanriki1018 edo itachi alone beats minato
@@aymanriki1018They have sharingan and armor minato can’t penetrate.
@@aymanriki1018both are significantly faster than minato in base. Minato only out speeds them with ftg. His normal speed is nowehere near Itachi’s or sasukes.
@@reignjudgment1028 His normal speed probably is faster but its just not gonna over take them usung a susano
Here is a quick rundown of the stats run through a combat simulation:
base Hashi: loses 9/10
Sage Hashi: wins 8/10
Tobirama: loses 10/10
Hiruzen: loses 99/10
Minato: loses 10/10
edo Minato: loses 9/10. Characters like Sasuke, KCM Naruto, and Kakashi were able to react faster than KCM Minato. His base form is getting pounded into dust.
Itachi with Koto: wins 10/10 all matchups
W video
Not at all LMAO
Thanks
Great video.
I've always find the Itachi beads scaling against the chibaku tensei false. It doesn't has the same AP as a Biju bomb. You have to be extremely generous to assume Itachi put out same amount of damage to the core as Naruto and bee
That was a small Susano. Bigger the susano bigger the bead. Madara used it with bigger susano.
Why tho, they deadass have zero anti feats
I’d like to see that hokage kakashi vs madara
nagato >>>> itachi
Itachi has no answer for chibaku tensei, bee's bijuu bomb and naruto's rasenshuriken did by far the bulk of the damage.
it was a 3v1
etc etc
Also, the firestyle didn't "damage" bee, he said ouch because it was kind of hot
As for itachi vs naruto, naruto was literally speaking with him, and itachi was an edo with no free will so he was going hard. Naruto was casually speaking with him and not even feeling pushed vs an edo itachi which had no control over his actions.
The itachi glaze is crazy.
Nagato >> kcm1 naruto > early ems sasuke >= itachi
So you know how EMS Sasuke and KCM2SM Naruto sorta did a fusion against Obito? What if Itachi and Sasuke did that. Sorta made a perfect Susanoo that can fly and has the spiritual weapons from Itachi. Shit would be cracked
I disagree with the tobirama and minato sections you already know my scaling for tobirama I think he beats itachi and kabuto fight sasuke and I think minato loses it’s still a great video i just disagree with some of your scaling and interpretations
Ranking the speed of each character in this fight.
Top tier
Minato and Tobirama
Middle Tier
Madara, Hashirama, Itachi, and Sasuke
Lowest tier
Hiruzen
That’s just based off all these Hokage plus levels of power and speed. Nothing suggest that full power Madara or Hashirama are speeds demons like they lore does for Minato and Tobirama, especially with flying thunder god. These two are blitzing anyone in mid tier due to their advance reaction times. Speed in most of these match ups won’t be the deciding factor.
Edo madara is stronger than his alive form.. he has A RINNEGAN and kabuto amped him with hashirama dna.. hes got his whole face on his shoulder.. i think kabuto states directly that ive made you stronger than your glory days.. not to mention madara is in edo and has infinite regeneration and unlimited chakra so..
Talking wise could improve , otherwise it's not bad
Dude still trying to say it never needed all 3 to destroy Chibaku Tensei! Also only the Sasuke that can wrap his Susanoo over Kurama avatar is above Nagato.
Spicy
I don't think Itachi and Sasuke are better than Itachi and Nagato. Nagato was about to defeat KCM Naruto and Bee by himself. You should
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Thank you
17:43 only thing is, why does him saying he is the only match for him disprove him being faster. Both could be true
It would add consistency to the tier that regardless of Tobirama’s speed it couldn’t beat Madara. Meaning with FTG surprise attacks he wouldn’t be able to beat him
I'd love to see you do a video on Itachi vs say Arkham Batman to help settle a debate between my brother and I
Itachi takes that 10 out of 10 times my guy WTH whoever said Batman takes it is brain dead 👍 hope that helps
@@PlayTari one more talking like if they were to just throw hands cuz obviously amaterasu and tsukiyomi are game over some more just testing ninja skills and then it's Batman so you know they would make something up, not to mention it is Arkham Batman although I do agree with you
@@benogle4951 like equal stats or is he saying that batman is faster than lightning
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 he is just giving me the typical because he is Batman argument
@@benogle4951 well itachi can see every move batman can make before he makes it and is bare minimum faster than lightning. batman has lost to ppl like bane in a hand to hand fight so its not like he can compete with super human ppl in hand to hand consistently or anything. main thing is itachi can just predict every move batman can make and batman moves in slow motion to him because of the sharingan enhanced vision.
I hope I'm not overhyping him, but I believe tobirama and hashirama clear the Uchiha brothers. remember tobirama gets a 50% boost when going up against an Uchiha 😂
how does that 50% boost make him strong enough to solo 2 people stronger than him
@AidenB1010 1 it was a joke, 2 now depending on version of tobirama it was he would definitely give sasuke Arun for his money and seeing itachi and tobirama battling it out with intelligence would be interesting since the can both cast genjustus and use shadow clones. The man literally has access to all 5 Chakra nature and mained in water to counter Uchiha fire and invented flying rajin to counter the sharingan that's why I at least made the joke but it also would be to far off because tobirama also had massive Chakra even though it's not like his brothers it still huge
Yessir, the Portuguese 14th yr anniversary guide, W statement I totally forgot
To be fair I don't think Naruto or Itachi were going all out
I wonder who would be a good opponent for Madara post war. How would he stack up to boruto?
Probably really badly
Hashirama, obviously a great choice, i mean theyre all good, good enough to be kage, but i say 1st, 4th, 6th, and 7th kage are strongest
If this was peak ems sasuke who has the perfect susanoo and is relative to kcm 2 sage mode naruto he easily wins every fight except for hashirama that would still be a tough fight
Ems sasuke having the perfect susano automatically clears Tobirama, hiruzen, tsunade, and minato if we’re talking hokage minato. There’s absolutely nothing any of them could do against a perfect susano besides run away. And people like tsunade and hiruzen wouldn’t even be able to manage that much. The only contentious battle would be hashirama vs ems sasuke and edo Itachi. And edo minato still loses as well, but he at least puts up a fight with the Kurama avatar.
Big fax
Sasuke would only get this if they fight went on for a very very long time
@@Virhtue prove that ems sasuke wasn’t always capable of using the perfect susano.
Tsunade punched through Madaras Susano, meaning having enough chakra reserves and strength can break it.
Tobirama spent more than half his life killing Uchiha..
@@TheDeadGunslinger she broke a ribcage which is the lowest version of susano you can use. She’s not doing anything to a perfect susano. She pretty much admits defeat with the rest of the kage when they piss their pants at the sight of madara’s susano.
And what’s tobirama and his knowledge going to do to defeat a perfect susano, and a mini susano that has an impenetrable shield, and a blade that can seal anything it touches?
If madara usee 9 tails and susanoho at the same time without fuisoning them together he would win
This isn’t fair! Only madara and maybe bee and kcm 2 Naruto could stop itachi
Bruh
I give you a dub cuz you said tobirama cooks yah Boyz
I hate tobirama
@@Virhtue 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let’s see
Shikamaru: This man definitely gonna get cooked
Tsunade: Yeah she getting cooked
Kakashi: Unless it’s DMS he’s folded
Old Hiruzen: Couldn’t even beat Orochimaru
Prime Hiruzen: Maybe but honestly I don’t think he has something for yata mirror
Tobirama: He might be too racist to lose but honestly idk 🤷 Flying Raijin was literally made to deal with Uchiha and Tobirama has been dealing with them his whole life so he might be able to pull through but honestly if Kotoamatsukami somehow lands he’s done for but I don’t really see that happening
Minato: He has an improved version of Flying Raijin so he might stand a better chance than Tobirama but Tobirama got the experience so it might even out but Minato also has sage mode but he himself said he’s never used it in battle however with KCM he definitely winning because Kurama would just dispel any genjutsu besides Kotoamatsukami but I don’t see itachi landing that with Minato’s speed and I don’t see Itachi landing totsuka blade either
Hashirama: He beat EMS Madara when Madara had Kurama on his side do I need to go further
Naruto: Honestly hokage Naruto will beat their asses it’s not even funny they ain’t Jigen so Itachi and EMS Sasuke not gonna be like “You only got Six Paths Power” like Jigen was
Disagree on Tobirama, Sasuke alone beats him .. Itachi with Sasuke is overkill.
KCM Minato can go either way, he beats both of them in a 1v1 but 2v1 .. dk can't really call
Agree on the rest👍
@@kumarayush9950 Kurama would just dispel any genjutsu and Minato is fast enough to place Raijin markers on Itachi and Sasuke midfight so not even Susanoo saving them and according to the Data Book Madara and Izuna were equal and Tobirama killed him so that’s why I consider that he could beat Sasuke and Itachi. I’ve heard that the Madara and Izuna being equal was a mistranslation but I’ve only heard that from one person and it was in a Quora form I’ve heard from multiple people that the data book states it so naturally I’m going with the majority here
@@TheAwsomeManny On Itachi I think he would be able to but Sasuke is very fast, fast enough to tag Juubito so it wouldn't be so easy going past his perfect Susano to place the marker, that's the reason in think it's close
This MF don't miss....... 😁 He don't miss
Thanks my man
That's bs almighty push put out the amateurs flames gravity can nullify it
It’s still stated to be a worse offensive force so your opinion of its is bs doesn’t matter
Compared to wat we saw naruto clones doing through out the battle fields, the original naruto's performance seem a little weak.
One naruto clone was able to fight madara & create barrages of rasengans, plus fight old raikage. So itachi was fighting a weaker naruto. 👍
itachi and nagato being able to shit on the real naruto after he fought relatively to the raikage isnt inconsistent at all and doesnt change anything, nor does it mean naruto was weakened. do you really think itachi, with the strongest genjutsu, ninjutsu, sharingan(at the time), and susanoo weapons plus the highest intelligence in the verse plus nagato who has perfect mastery of the rinnegan and both have unlimited chakra arent able to easily beat the raikage? ayy isnt doing shit to them
Whilst also talking in a three Tomoe
@@AidenB1010 Naruto instantly ran out of chakra after that fight, he barely even did anything. Prior to that, he made 1000 clones & scattered them all over. He was far from top shape. Admit it. 👍
It was a clone that fought old raikage, plus fight madara. Look at how he was shitting on pain after he went killer mode 😂.
The original body, barely did shit. Meaning he was weakened. 👍
@@Virhtue the performance of the main body was lacking. His clones did even better. Instantly after hardlying doing anything ( jutsu), he ran out of kcm chakra. Nagato didnt take his chakra. 👍
@@Virhtue i really do enjoy your contents, even though i might not agree with all your views. So dont take me the wrong way 😂. Your content's are amazing, i really enjoy them, good job, keep it up 🙏👍
Itachi solos
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Uh probably not
Itachi solos.
Please be just joking because the Itachi base has enough unnecessary hate haha 🤣 . Comments like this doesn’t help. He’s a beast no doubt but I think this video is overall pretty close to being accurate to how these fights would go.
@@midsectionmark8956 This video is nothing. No one watches these videos.
Kakashi vs madara haha
Itachi is inferior to Sasuke by mid to late war. Look up thunder god's video on it for more information. To put it short Sasuke was heavily nerfed and more than once could have killed Kabuto off rip
When Sasuke gained EMS, it was stated that it was at that point where he surpassed Itachi. Itachi basically had more of a plan against Kabuto than Sasuke since Sasuke JUST got his new eyes and Itachi has way more experience
When Sasuke gained EMS, it was stated that it was at that point where he surpassed Itachi. Itachi basically had more of a plan against Kabuto than Sasuke since Sasuke JUST got his new eyes and Itachi has way more experience
I know what the replies to this are gonna be but screw it....
Edo Itachi + EMS Sasuke mid diff Hashirama
- Itachi & Sasuke _individually_ have a higher Battle IQ than Hashirama. This isn't even partially close
- Itachi & Sasuke _individually_ have higher versatility than Hashirama
- Itachi alone has WAY more One-Shot abilities than Hashirama, add Sasuke's Amaterasu + Genjutsu
- Hashirama has shown _zero_ Genjutsu resistance, when has Madara even attempted to Genjutsu him.... never. That's just not Madara's style, but it is Itachi and Sasuke's style
- Amaterasu _hard_ counters most if not all Wood Style attacks because that's just how fire & wood & physics works.
- I argue EMS Sasuke definitely has Perfect Susanoo but even if you don't want to say that, both of their Susanoo have hax that Hashirama has never seen or thought of before
- Tosuka Blade, Tsukuyomi, Kagatsuchi, Kotoamatsukami & Amaterasu are all One Shots that Hashirama is not aware of and this combined with Itachi and Sasuke BOTH being FAAAR smarter..... it's very likely they'll be able to trick or catch Hashirama out before he enters SM
Oh brother
@@Virhtue what, nothing I said was wrong 😁
But legitimately, their combined Hax and UNBELIEVABLY higher Battle IQ win it for them
Prove that they have a higher battle IQ. Also Madara put A under genjutsu.
The sharengun is known for genjutsu, and yet you assert that Madara never used it on Hashirama in any of their battles.
If genjutsu would have worked on him then why wouldn't Madara a person with a mastered EMS have used it then?
Another point, what about deep Forest emergence? That attack literally creates a forest that exudes poisonous pollen.
I'm sorry but they're just outclassed. Hashirama fought a far stronger EMS wheilder who had the Ninetails which was wrapped in a perfectSusano.
Yes his is slower than itachi unless you think war ark and adult sasuke are the same speed has 5 kage summit
Yeah it does increase linearly
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I believe hiruzen was near his prime self in edo
No not really. His body was still that of his incredibly old self
Why
@@thmistrapillay1811 edo tensei is a jutsu that revives the dead by using a sacrifice to be a vessel for a summoned soul. They are granted an undying body. His old age is nullified therefore those limitations can not exist so he would have to be near his prime because he was brought back near full power; let’s say 90% *leaf Jonin voice*
@@vendettabout2runup347 He is a old man think next time.
@@newtype79 next time read 😳
Sasuke not stronger nagato, that’s insane
Sasuke and Itachi both are not stronger than Nagato (individually)
@@Pain-106 bias coming from someone named pain but I kinda agree. I think nagato beats Itachi more times than not
@@bawtrawt377 🤣🤣.. Bro I'm not kind of someone who says pain beats madara and Hashirama that kind of shit so....
@@Pain-106 😂
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So was the Slug Princess, Granddaughter of Hashirama. Medical Genius, and Reason Konoha won the 2nd Great Shinobi War not Hokage???
Tobirama can use clones to aid him against the Uchiha brothers . Tag either one or both, if himself or his clone about to suffer mortal attack like enton flames,do the same thing he did with Minato when they reciprocated each other, him or his clone acting as Minato.
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