Installing An Underground Propane Tank (500 Gallon)
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Installing a 500 gallon tank, complete with unexpected problems with the new excavator. Doh!
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So many projects, so little time! Lots more on the way folks! Have an awesome weekend everybody!
Is it overheating and causing it to slow down? Seems like it runs fine when it's rested and cool.
Wait !! So I was right when I guessed underground propane tank!!?? Cool
was the toad ok?
Hell yea man...you too John!
for the curious...you could also tell them you installed the worlds smallest single person underground survival shelter..
or a subterranean submarine. 😉😉
I had this exact problem on my old Bobcat x325, would run fine for 15 mins or so then cut out. Blew through with air and i'd get it back for a while but always stopped again after 10 mins or so. If i let it sit 24 hrs it would run for 15 mins again. There was a gauze on the fuel pickup in the tank that was completely clogged with gummy resin. I removed the tank and cleaned it out, cleaned the pickup gauze and put it all back in. No problems since then and it's been a good 5 years or more now. I got that machine cheap and i'm guessing it's because the previous owner got fed up with it stopping and didn't know what was wrong.
Same with my bobcat 751. In this case it looks more like a lot of dirt in the tank... my bobcat did not start anymore before I installed a new fuel pickup. The excavator got a fuel lift pump, an electric one... I would wonder, if hat is there since the machine has been new. I would think, its an aftermarket installation to get rid of that missing fuel problem...
based on the state of the machine otherwise it's pretty clear the previous owner wasn't familiar with "maintenance"
Judging from the air pressure you introduced that resulted in spraying fuel, I'd suggest that you vent the tank. Try running it with a loose cap to test the theory first, if it works, maybe all you'll need is to drill a tiny hole in the cap to relieve the vacuum. I've experienced a similar situation after replacing a missing fuel cap. It simply sealed too well.
That wouldn't explain the required pressure to blow it open, plus it would have made itself very obvious by sucking in air as soon as there was an opening in the fuel line, like when he pulled off the filter. It's worth a test, but in my opinion, there's less than a 1% chance this is the issue.
Had this problem on a fuel tank on all kinds of vehicles needing a vent of some kind. Hole in cap cheapest and easiest. There is not a big vacuum in the tank that's noticeable , it just seems to give a slight negative pressure that slows, not stops, normal fuel delivery. Not saying this is the problem in this case, just confirming it does happen.
@@BRI33NOR yes and any troubleshooting is process of elimination, and venting could be an issue, best to eliminate it before doing header work LoL
Thanks!
Aside from the farm projects themselves, I have a sense for how much work goes into editing and putting these videos together.
You do such a fantastic job! Keep up the amazing work and thanks again for what you do! 😺
On my old kx 121-2, I found the fuel tank had an inch of mud at the bottom, after refuelling it would stir it up and block the filters, fortunately kubota have left a nice big access hole, after cleaning it out I put some descaling fluid (phosphic acid) in to cover the rusty bottom, after a few hours the rust had gone and left the tank like new with layer of phosphor to protect it, over a year now with a nice clean fillter bowl.
I feel like a part owner of all this equipment. I’m so invested in it. Great work!
Fuel starvation. I had to remove and replace most of the rubber lines in my older Kobelco Mini. The routing in mine caused the supply line from tank to fuel filter to become smashed. I kept blowing the lines out, etc. but the problem would come back, machine would bog and start to run hot. Nice video sir!
Here in the UK all tanks are supplied with a concrete pad bolted to the bottom to stop it popping up when empty in wet water logged ground.
By “Supplied with” you mean
“Required by law. At your own expense, of course” right?
Not saying it’s not a good idea, necessarily or even just a prerequisite due to the environment in some places though.
Thanks for this whole generator segment, great and inspirational stuff.
Man, never heard about the possibility to prevent rust for tanks, using other metals... sounds perfectly obvious, but I never even thought about it, and that it's even in use... The more you know... :)
I have watched a number of your videos and give you an A+. You work with what you have. You actually plan your projects, sometimes even on paper. You explain what you are doing in a professional and serious manner. Your comedy is appropriate, quick and appreciated. Subscribed and rung the bell. Thanks for sharing.
I find your videos very instructive and entertaining. I always learn something new. Who knew what a galvanic bag was? Keep up the great work.
I have to tell you this video reminded me of a good old new yankee workshop episode. Little bit of tool talk, little bit of measuring, and a lot of straightforward work. Love it.
Turned out great. Really liking the content and looking forward on what's to come. Thank you for bringing us along!
fuel cap not venting maybe? building up a vacuum in the tank
really loving these videos, must be so much work to get these out each week.
Really like the easy to understand explanations along the way.
Great explanation of the galvanic properties. Huge in the boating world. Maybe american truck manufacturers could connect something to their panels to stop from rusting out :)
Easily my favorite channel on CZcams. Love your videos, man. Thanks so much for posting so much informative content and doing things the right way.
I think the excavator will be good and faithful for many years once you get sorted out it's little problems. You are a clever guy and will have no problems fixing it.
Good job.
Always enjoyable to see your projects. Makes me feel like I am doing something as opposed to being totally lazy !
The utility company will crap when they see how close ur tank is - and I'd be really supportive if the inspector doesn't make you expose that line again - you buryed one of the things they want to see... that is the radius of the bends - we always used pea gravel to back fill fuel tanks ... good luck with the inspections
Sand is acceptable as it’s a neutral soil and drains well but using a hard riser in the dome lid horrible decision, not having tracer wire/tape with the poly is definitely not legal, the depth of the poly is also questionable, and at least in my state using what seemed to be compression fittings on the poly is also not legal
Should have had sand on the bottom…but it’s way better than had you tossed that rock back in… what inspection!!! LMFFAO’. Should definitely do the warning tape or bury a board with some orange paint… you don’t want to hit that line with a shovel when you are replacing your anode!!! LMFFAO!!! Tear that tank off and clean the fuel system up!!!
It’s all ok other than the riser in the dome. States don’t regulate propane tank burying it covered in NFP58 code federal. Now they can say the line is not deep enough or no tracer wire is a no no, but the soil comp when it was buried not there job.
@@fishes4life362 well that’s somewhat incorrect as some states have LP gas commissions that oversee the installations of propane systems and NFPA 54 & 58 are in play however authority having jurisdiction can place additional rules on top of the federal guidelines
I really love your videos they are so good, i really like that they are aimed at improving your own home and life too, it gives them a deeper meaning.
If the packing in the blade cylinder looks good or it otherwise continues to bleed off after repairs, check the swivel. It transfers the hydraulic flow from the top of the machine to the undercarriage. If an O-ring in the swivel is on its way out, it can show the same symptom. You may also have issues tracking where one final is usually slow and weak. You mentioned that your left side wasn't spinning as fast in the previous video. Worth a look. It's not a terrible repair. Just a ton of O-rings after you get it apart.
Great videos. Machine looks solid. Good luck.
I stumble across your "Tong& Groove " video.'.. Then this about the tank installed today...I didn't know about the anodes... Interesting...I about the installed a generator and will be installing a in ground propane tank....I do a lot of repairs here in Florida having a machine shop. I think your location is Va. ...I live there...You did a great job in the repairs on the hydraulic cylinders.... I see that you replacing the porch on the house...Rember codes !A "square & flat bottoms in the holes" for the foundations...I made that mistake...Good videos .....Thanks..... Robbie
there is definitely something that feels good about having the right tool for the job and I can imagine that scales with the size of the tool. The property my mother in law bought has a skid steer and I will do any chore that requires it with a smile on my face.
Great video. You may want to leave a mound where you backfilled. Over time the sand/dirt will settle leaving behind a depression.
In my state you're required to have a tracer wire and caution tape over that gas line . Pretty cool how you're able to stay composed and maintain a sense of humor through the ups and downs of the project . Great job 👍.
I always look forward to seeing a new video from you on Friday. Thanks a lot of all your hard work into making these videos, I always find them deeply interesting.
I just figured something out. You seem to have a lot of money to buy equipment for your own personal use and you know a lot about everything almost like an engineer, and a chemist combined. Do you by any chance call yourself, Heisenberg. And is Jesse your friend.
I love your podcast and I have learned more than I could ever learn in a classroom. You go out of your way and explain how things work and your ability of troubleshooting problems.keep up the good work, and keep explaining the smallest of details. this is where you shine from all the other CZcams podcast.
The variety and sometimes complexity of the projects you take on never ceases to amaze me. Thank you. I loved the anode bag tutorial. Brought back lost, (well sort of lots) of high school chemistry. Thank you.
I hope that bag works out for you for many years. In Arizona I used galvanized pipe risers (because of sun) for faucets, and they rusted through in less than 2-years.
Turned out great! I went with an above ground tank the same size, and had them install a portable tank refill adapter setup. I can fill my own 20lb tanks from my big tank; comes in handy for filling up the tanks on my RV camper. You have to have them install this before they fill the tank though.
The parts needed can be installed anytime even with propane in the tank without issue as long as the large tank has the proper valve for liquid withdrawal
LOL, love the backhoe that doesn't need repairs. The area I live in won't allow propain tanks to to be buried, so mine has always been above ground. Did some hand sanding on my tank due to some surface rust, then repainted it a couple of years ago. It's been out here for over 50 years, very little rust but figured I would prevent it from rusting out. We got a whole house generator last year to supplement the solar panels we got the two years ago. Personally, even if they allowed us to place our propain tanks underground I wouldn't want to, simply because the anode bag would have to be replaced every 20 years or so and our above ground one hasn't had any problems since it was installed over 50 years ago. Still, great video and enjoyed watching.
Looks like you worked thru the bugs to complete the task at hand. If the main cylinder doesn't leak to bad, you can use the bucket to help turn the machine. So you can get a little more time out of the tracks but repacking cylinders and the track tensioner ain't to bad of a job. I would clean it well on the track tensioner,it makes removal alot easier. Enjoy watching,keep em coming
I Love watching you work on things, and you do it right. Don't know if you where trying to scare the wife or what. Great job, something always needs fixed. I bet the fuel tank has crud in it, but the fuel looks clean. Maybe a bigger fuel filter after you clean the tank out.
I have an 06 Terex. As soon as I bought it I had to put in an inline filter like yours has, 12-15 filters later no issues. It is a whole lot easier than getting that tank off.
You should build a small removable barn over the plastic lid. On the side paint an ad for Strickland Propane
This is quickly becoming my new favourite CZcams channel. Keep up the good work John. Cheers from Hamburg, Germany
I put a 1,000 gal tank in a few years ago. Propane company recommended filling with pea gravel, which I did. Worked fine. I put some landscaping fabric over the gravel at the top to keep the dirt out and covered the rest with top soil. Two anode bags on a 1k gal tank.
John great video. My Bobcat skid steer did the same; run for a short time and loose power and stop. The screen in the tank was plugged up with gunk. Cleaned and now works great. It sat with little use for a few years till I purchased it. Great machine. Good luck with the excavator, seems to dig well as it is. Some much needed maintenance will make this a good machine for you
It’s great when you pull science into normal life. So interesting. Thank you , love it!
Nice job! Now you just need a gravel filled trench to drain the water to a level to your access tub doesn't fill the next time it rains :)
Huh.... I didn't make a comment as to my guess in that last video... but I was thinking "propane tank" or something... but then I saw those cable tie-downs (or whatever you might call them). I don't know what they are securing... but I gotta wonder if having the propane tank right next to them will cause any issues. Just found your channel and I'm loving it... excellent use of the time lapse and ALSO the slow mo stuff. You just do a really nice job with this stuff. Again, thanks for sharing these projects with us.... quite entertaining AND educational.
I had the same question. Those anchors are I think keeping a power pole vertical. Did he have to check with power company before hand?
Don't you just love when your expensive equipment helps you out by giving you video ideas!?!
I look forward to your videos.
Amazing the hard work and the ingenuity you show!
Just found your channel and love it! I work on power lines, i would not be to happy to have some one dig up our anchors. The pressure of the soil holds them down, and they go down in about the same angle as the anchor wires, so im affraid you are just above them.
i love how when watching your videos the exact question that i have is answered a minute or two later genuinely learn alot thanks for that
Interesting to see the way things are done in other parts of the world. In my country above ground tanks seem to be the norm, I think mostly for ease of maintenance and flood protection. Definitely uglier than underground tanks though.
I only just found this channel and I'm already addicted; the creativity and production value of your videos are top notch. Looking forward to future projects, keep up the good work 👍
Australia 🇦🇺?
John I don’t want to tell you how to cook eggs but a tip for digging trench’s wider than twice your bucket , use the main arm slew and dig one side, then before you shift slew the other way and dig the other side, then clean out the middle. Doing this reduces side pressure on your boom from trying to scrape the sides of the hole.
Hope this helps next time
Cheers from Aus
Really enjoy your thought process on projects. 😎
Once again I am enjoying watching your video whilst I should be cutting my grass!
Excellent info as always, thank you.
I mean this in a good way,please don't take me wrong. I myself wouldn't put the tank next to the guild cables of the power pole. Lightening can do some very wild things. And the cables here at home are also used for the main earth ground . Liked,shared. All my best.
Forget the excavator for a sec. What are support anchors for and why are you digging so close to them?
I like your channel, and you have far more talents than I could ever imagine. I would have put the tank on the ground behind some bushes.
I prefer the sounds of trucks and tools and nature and your voice over to that of music.
I hear ya. The drone doesn't have a microphone, so it's music or silence. And when I speed things way up I have a similar problem. The audio becomes noise. I try to find royalty free music that isn't terrible...
Music sucks 👎👎👎👎👎
All that sand around the gas tank will make a nice collection point for the rain and any groundwater to accumulate. I'd be looking down that access port after any large rainstorm.
They are supposed to be bedded in sand and backfilled with sand and screened fill ... unless your in an area that code requires you install a concrete liner first.
The sand prevents any rocks from rubbing against the tank and wearing a hole in it. Sand is part of the gas code for installs
i found you from your outboard series, and have watched almost all of your content so far. finally got my '39 johnson 2.5 hp humming last week :]
Great machine once you get all the problems sorted ,so very useful!
Mr. John appreciate what you do and how you do it and how you explained it
Easy way to backfill a tank when you can’t get a dump truck close by: order sand slurry from your concrete company. It’s just sand and water, no cement. It can be placed by the concrete truck chute or by by concrete pump. It flows easily and is self leveling.
Great idea!
Darn it, I honestly thought he was digging an elephant latrine... I love elephants. That being said it's actually fun to see a farmer with a sense of humour who doesn't take himself too seriously :) Can't wait to see how he's going to cure his ailing johns... I mean, dumptruck... must be another farmer's survival trick
John, it amazes me how well you can problem solve. You are very bright, talented and a gifted teacher. I enjoy your videos tremendously. Please keep sharing. Thank you also for being a strong second adm. advocate!
In a wet area that has poor drainage tie down straps with anchors should be used to eliminate the possibility that the tank would float up when it is low on fuel it flooding occurs. Also digging next to the utility guy wire anchors should be evaluated for integrity, especially back filling with sand.
I must say, I am impressed with your work skills!. I am a 54 Yr. master mechanic & I feel qualified enough to say you have mastered your skill sets. For someone who 'picked it up' as you went, I am only wishing you lived closer so as to pick your brains :)
Nice neat exelent installation great job not like some sloppy Carless installs with full of rocks !
You're having way to much fun with your toys :D
That ending was great!
That’s what you want to do…bury a propane tank next to a guy wire. If lightning hits the shield wire or the conductor goes to ground and there is an issue with the pole ground…yeehaw. I do enjoy your videos. Please continue to publish
I think you have ADD for more projects! Like myself, LOL. The sand idea was a example of looking for perfection when the regular dirt would've been good enough. What diff does it make in the final outcome?
Tanto trabajo y nunca pierde el sentido del humor ! Siga así....
Just beautiful when a plan comes together looking forward to more videos
Better keep that tank full!! With the sand allowing water to collect there (at least until it silts in) i'd be worried about spontaneous un-burying.
Very similar to ships, when they put zincs bars on the hull do prevent/delay rusting.
Congrats FC101 on digging the hole and putting in the Propane Tank. Looks Great.
Improper tank installation and if the propane company that the guy works for sees this video he will at least have a final written warning for several issues
I certainly agree with you about the downside of buying used equipment, but my friend bought a high end $32,000 camper pop up thing and had major issues the first two times he used in the desert and the mountains. He is planning to upgrade to a Mini Wini so things happen. Or life happens while we are busy making plans. I will always remember your last video where you came up to your wife and pretended to measure her and she laughed and sprayed water at you and that was charming. Thanks again.
I had a truck that got some chunks of rubber in the fuel tank. It was rubber debris from the inside of the hose from our own fuel pump from our on-site 2500 gallon above ground tank.
The chunks of rubber in the truck's tank don't float, they swish around the bottom of the tank and get sucked up the pickup tube usually when you are taking off from traffic lights! So the truck would usually stop in the middle of an intersection.
But the thing would either run properly or it would stop dead, none of this loss of power after 15 minutes. I'm thinking you have a blocked breather in the tank.
I am in the same boat! So many projects and not enough time! Lol
Clean the gas tank out and the entire system. That motor sounds excellent!
As a gas fitter I highly recommend AGAINST burying propane tanks. I know they are unsightly but it just makes more sense. Of course I live in Canada which brings all sorts of other issues like propane vapour turning liquid in the dead of winter. At any rate good luck with that!!
Burial tanks perform better in extreme cold, burials are at near 50° when it's below zero outside, less likely to lose pressure, and they can be drawn down to 10%, above ground tanks will only draw down to 20% in extreme cold. Burials can be filled to 89% whereas above ground tanks only 80%.
And in the states, burials of any size only have to be 10' from a building, an above ground 1,000 Gallon tank would need to be at 25' away.
Burial tanks are a luxury. We install them regularly. We just buried 3 x 1,000 gallon tanks as a single system.
@@nicvazqueznic ok that’s good to know. You don’t they rot out a few years?
@@Pskawt there's redundancy in tank protection these days, the new burials come with Electrolysis preventing paint on them to keep rust from eating the tank, additionally since early 2000's an Anode bag is required for install, the anode bag is 20lbs approx of pure magnesium, it has a wire lead that is attached to the tank, if there were any scratches in paint it would rust without the anode bag, the bag reverses the polarity of the tank so it will actively repel ferus metals in the dirt that would otherwise rot the tank, the anode bag is a lot like a zinc plate on a boat in Salt water, the zinc plates corrode so the boat doesn't. It's sacrificial so they go bad over time, but should last at least 20 years or so, the theory is, if you replace the anode bag every 20 yrs, the tank should last over 100yrs.
I’m no expert on this subject but I built numerous pole barns on agricultural properties. Seems to me with all the wind you have at your farm you would be well suited for a wind turbine to get free electricity to your entire operation. You would be shocked at how much energy you can produce if you have a steady wind source.
My dream is to own property like yours. Beautiful and peaceful.
It might be that when the engine gets warm, the cylinder sealant might start to leak.
Also really like the music you added, it's a bit on the loud side in relation to the rest of the sound in the video. But the theme is nice.
Great videos! You and your wife go together well . If your wife had taken classes on outboard repair and maintenance she could have lend you a hand with yours two stroke Johnson
Great video. I’m addicted to these.
Not too bad for a first timer. Next time you are going to be digging, it is a lot faster if you don't have to dodge obstacles like the guy wires. Just for reference, I usually have the tank buried, gas line connected, and driving off in about 2 hours. Of course, there always " those days" days that just stink.
I love the Dune Cascades (sandvalanche) you seem to have put a lot of thought into this, its like you know what you are doing LOL
Another thing that happens is people pour in a ice-o-gas treatment or a cetane booster and the little foil cap falls off in the tank. Then it plugs the fuel I let intermittently.
25:30 Damn, they stole your tracks 😂
Change the spark plugs and the ignition coils and it will run like a champ! :)
Its diesel....
@@JuzzyQld :)
Never dig so close to guy wires.
I used to watch a lot of videos about the narrowboats in the channels of great britain. They attach anodes to the hulls to prevent rusting. I don't understand the science but I also haven't tried to study the science behind it.
Great video!
On point. Realistic because there's always a breakdown, when there is a deadline looming.💪
Bottom line...
You completed the job
And the video.🥳
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I have seen where rust in the tank can cause a problem, Condensation in the tank causes the rust over time. I have put a magnet hooked to a string or wire then put the magnet in the bottom of the tank, pull it up once in a while clean it off put it back in. Works good. Try to find a place at the top of tank to hook the string or wire to.
you can't have an opening in the propane tank to drop a wire/ string thru. The minute you opened the tank to atmosphere. the propane would all vent to the air. creating a very hazardous situation.
An EXCELLENT example of how and why anodes prevent rust. Wouldn't have clicked for me in a chemistry class situation. I assume 'galvanized' metal refers to the galvanic series?
Yes. Most specifically, galvanized steel is generally coated in zinc. You might also hear about aluminized exhaust pipes for cars and such. Basically same thing, except the steel is coated with aluminum instead of zinc - but with the same anticorrosive effect.
The time lapse footage of the excavator moving things looks almost like old school Claymation.
Great video. Keep them coming
You explained better than my Chemistry teacher.
Excellent chemistry explanation. Anode what?? Too funny
Love your videos, keep up the good work👍🏻