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+Alekseyev Love the video, I want all your EVE geopolitical knowledge dumped into my head! I apologize for the imposition, however, some advice please. What corp is likely to benefit me most? Or which corp would derive the most value from my services, and reward that service with sufficient recompense? I'm a really new player, I managed to PLEX in 15 days, through Exploration, and well on my way to another. I want to hunt though, and I want to help change the Sov maps you use for these videos... and of course eventually take over the universe. I'm completely addicted, and wish I'd found the game years ago. I play quite a lot, but I'm in the US timezone. Any ideas? Any help is welcome.
Hi Perni, thanks for the love. Unfortunately there's such a wide range of EVE corps that I could scarcely begin to recommend you just one. Right now the groups most impactful at actual map changes don't really have a strong reputation as being newbie friendly. TEST or Pandemic Horde or Goonswarm would be the alliances to look at that would be closest to that power fantasy. I'd offer to recruit you myself but my corp's not looking to move sov maps any time soon!
I wouldn’t mind a look at Providence. You mentioned in another video you have some history there, and there’s nothing better than a good story ;) I think NRDS is quite the perfect policy for neutrals taking their first steps in Sov-Null, they can basically come visit whenever they feel like it, especially since the region is cornered by so much High- and Lowsec space. I wonder why other alliances are not so keen on it, would they not benefit from neutrals? Anyway, keep those vids coming, good job!
history of provi has been done once already with talardar and another guy. maybe a region in the north or south like lesser known regions like maybe Tenal or maybe Esoteria?
Absolutely not, main reason is, we can't have expensive assests like roquals, carriers, and supercarriers when neutrals are in local. As far as major alliances are concerned; neuts = enemy cyno
What a fantastic content, this should be launched every quarter to keep those less involved in Null-sec wars up to date on whats going on. I would love to see more of this political landscape and war explanation.
This is great. Could you do a monthly report like this? Also, have you thought about working with Andrew Groen ( Empires of Eve ) to create a second book?
Jason Kidney S hi Jason, I plan to do a monthly region-specific update as a video series. And while I don't plan on writing a book anytime soon I do plan to have Andrew return as a podcast guest in the near future to talk about what he's up to!
Frat and Tri have been allies before C02 was dead During my time in Phoenix Fed I remember FCON beginning the blue donought war by attacking Frat, mainly to acquire more space to expand Phoenix fed with newbro highsec alliances or smaller alliances that wanted to try do their own thing after WWB. PFED Appealed to the smaller Alliances cause you could run an alliance how you wanted, and all you had to do was hit a paps requirement. Fcon Saw Fraternity as an easy target and wanted to show they too had a dick to swing around. Because of the foundation of PFED, Fcon needed to be surrounded by blues, So when CO2 had their little mutiny, Fcon deployed to help Test. The just to make sure their was never not a blue in sight, PFED joined the DRF, left completly surrounded by a blue donut, so TRI and Frat joined up to destroy FCON and give it out to Frat to prevent them being surrounded by a blue doughnut as they didn't want the space, but needed an Ally.
They get so much mining done because they bot and punish their own for reporting botters. They're literally the cancer of EVE. Great series, brother. Can't wait for more.
i belong to a WH corp!!! I love the way we play EVE online!!! we are out of everything!! so i dont know a lot about politics to this game until i met you on youtube! thanks for inform us!!! :P fly safe
Correction: Unspoken Alliance are NOT on their own. We form Volta and Skill Urself are behind them and are always coming to their important timers on T3 fleet 30-50 alpha lokis. And Skill Urself support them with superfleet, so Prothean can't use their capitals against them. Otherwise, it's really 10 or so active ppl. They wouldn't do anything without Volta and ZeroFuns.
*I don't even play this fucking game and I'm as familiar with it's large conflicts and wars as I am with most large conflicts and wars in real fucking life* EVE: online Love it or Hate it You gotta respect everything that it is I actually haven't even watched this video, either I just came here to pay my respects You might see me on many other videos doing the same, because this is one of the coolest games- no, communities- no that's still not it.. _experiences?_ Yes. This is one of the coolest- if not *the coolest* fucking *_experience_* you can be a part of, in the *entire realm of gaming*
Tri is going to break without help, wouldn't be the first time either. CVA has also been holding up quite well against PL, they have defended their space for a very long time and are very good at it. I could also see TEST and Legacy coalition helping out CVA, and Imperium is likely to 3rd party any major fights as both TEST and Goons have been relatively friendly with CVA.
Good video. I only got 360p, so it was a bit hard to see the text/systems on the map. Are you able to get it in higher resolution? Keep up the good work.
You may enjoy Jintaan's channel for that kind of content. Or if you would like it in podcast form, my show www.declarationsofwar.com has a lot of current politics analysis
FRT and TRI are allies of the first hour of war against FCON, since the pheonix federation failed with their winter/spring offensive against FRT in Wicked-Creed.
@Alekseyev great video! Keep them coming! CCP has already been kicking the citadel conversion can further and further down the road. They touted this as "Upcoming Winter" then it was "1st Quarter" after that it was "End of 1st Quarter" now it's just listed as "Upcoming Summer." I'm not sure if someone at CCP has an axe to grind with Provi, a CSM member or they support NC. and PL. They might be having an issue with the game mechanics and truly having issues with the conversion process. If they'd have stayed with a close to original time line, this would be a moot point, but we're not and here we are.
I don't know much about the game just a small interest in it recently and was wondering why the middle part wasn't captured is that the "high sec" area that can't be captured by players? and if so what about the northern spot between xxdeathxx and panfam are those also highsec systems or just nothing useful there?
Caabooose The central area consists of High and Low security space. These are controlled by the NPC empires of EVE. The dark spots outside of that are NPC controlled nullsec space, specifically the factions of EVE pirates. The exception to that is the dark regions in the far north east, those are "Jove" space; dev regions inaccessible to players outside of events like the Alliance Tournament. If you check out my original video, linked in description, I go into more detail about those areas
Is it me or is this trend of players high in an alliance switching sides and stealing all assets of their old alliance a bit of a broken thing? Don't you want wars to play out inside the game with fleets vs fleets? Not inside real life, with hacking of passwords or whatever is done?
Long time political junkie here, so I think real world politics and economics in a fantasy/scifi game is amazing. I doubt I will ever own a computer expensive enough to play unfortunately. The players themselves have cooperated to establish/control whole regions of a fictional galaxy!
BTW I run a Dell Optiplex 780 3.16 ghz, 4 gb ram windows 7, old Amd 1 gb video card. Can I run the game or do I need major upgrades to my computer/life?
Fountain has a "core" of systems which have NPC stations, enabling groups to base out of it easily. In practice, invasions are rarely launched from there but you will see alliances base out of there long term to farm the surrounding entities for content. If those entities aren't strong enough to withstand it they'll collapse. The other dynamic is the owner of Delve traditionally exercises a lot of power over Fountain, Querious, and Period Basis. If a large power, like Goonswarm, takes hold of that region you can expect them to replace resident alliances with ones that are more favorable to their interests. That's the chain of events which caused the most recent Fountain turn over. I talk more about Fountain here: czcams.com/video/GtG5rF6jgcs/video.html
Loved the optimism in needing to do one next year as a lot will change. A lot already has changed with horde moving, tri leaving its space and becoming mobile and the like. Might have to do one next month 😄
rip perrigen Falls the renters dont got any help from the Xdeath or BoT. Razer got taken out there after that the next strongest group DFP and now all the smaller corps there.
Shadow of xxDeathxx is a rental alliance. Legion of xxDeathxx are the ones who own the supers and do actual pvp. Please make sure you are actually naming the right alliances.
I don't play eve, but this was fascinating! I think you should make more "lore" style videos and history. You could be like a journalist/historian. A journalorian,
Well, you're right, you don't call yourselves a coalition, I meant allies in war, the same way TRI and CO2 were at the beginning of the FCON invasion. In 19:20 the author says that you are engaged against TRI, and (correct me if I'm wrong) you took that space that FCON used to have by working along with TRI
please someone explain what "cant leave that station without being killed" means in reality. I mean, cant play the game at all? Before doing what? I understand the concept of "dont fly what you cant efford to lose" and things like "stealing a whole huge space hangar with all the ships, caps and money" can happen. But as someone who would just be an ordinary soldier, not involved in anything corps leaders do, i´d love to be able to log in and at least escape with my character and skills and start a new life somewhere else. Even if that means relying on charity for a week. I tried to start several times, but i dont have time for it, not even 2 hours a week, but every now and then i keep coming back to youtube videos and think that would have been a great game to play if i hadn´t been so hooked up with other games when i had the time. So just a short honest explanaition without trying to convince me it isnt that bad, or something like that, will do. I mean, things like that, without any knowledge, can scare the shit out of newbies and not even try highsec.
I think you have your facts wrong about why the timers where changed. The Imperium attacked it during AUTZ which forced Panfam to change it to EUTZ/USTZ.
Dunno about that. Even Imp attacking it in AU wouldn't make switching to Imperium's strongest TZ a good idea. I think they had to make the change due to the upcoming patch and decided sooner was better than later to weather Imperium's best effort to kill it
I don’t play EVE, but the politics and mechanics in this game has me obsessed with it.
It's free now, id get it if I were you
Also pandemic horde is the best alliance for new players
2019, time to do the new one !!!
I really enjoy this geography series where you. Break down all the interesting shit going on in eve. Keep on keeping on my dude.
Thank you!
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I have started to listen/watch more Eve things. I think it might be time to go back soon. Please continue.
Dan Pettersson dooo ittttt
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Getting back to eve after a 4 year absence this was very good information. Thnx
MrYrgas welcome back!
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This is a really cool and understandable look at the EVE space, better than any I've seen. Looking forward towards the next one!
Thank you!
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+Alekseyev Love the video, I want all your EVE geopolitical knowledge dumped into my head! I apologize for the imposition, however, some advice please. What corp is likely to benefit me most? Or which corp would derive the most value from my services, and reward that service with sufficient recompense?
I'm a really new player, I managed to PLEX in 15 days, through Exploration, and well on my way to another. I want to hunt though, and I want to help change the Sov maps you use for these videos... and of course eventually take over the universe.
I'm completely addicted, and wish I'd found the game years ago. I play quite a lot, but I'm in the US timezone. Any ideas?
Any help is welcome.
Hi Perni, thanks for the love. Unfortunately there's such a wide range of EVE corps that I could scarcely begin to recommend you just one. Right now the groups most impactful at actual map changes don't really have a strong reputation as being newbie friendly. TEST or Pandemic Horde or Goonswarm would be the alliances to look at that would be closest to that power fantasy.
I'd offer to recruit you myself but my corp's not looking to move sov maps any time soon!
I appreciate the reply.
Pernicion never give up tho. Everyone started somewhere
I wouldn’t mind a look at Providence. You mentioned in another video you have some history there, and there’s nothing better than a good story ;) I think NRDS is quite the perfect policy for neutrals taking their first steps in Sov-Null, they can basically come visit whenever they feel like it, especially since the region is cornered by so much High- and Lowsec space. I wonder why other alliances are not so keen on it, would they not benefit from neutrals? Anyway, keep those vids coming, good job!
You make a compelling case sir... (also, thanks!)
history of provi has been done once already with talardar and another guy. maybe a region in the north or south like lesser known regions like maybe Tenal or maybe Esoteria?
Carebears should be relegated to highsec. We don't need a null hugbox for them.
i lived in provi for 2 years. Nrds is garbage
Absolutely not, main reason is, we can't have expensive assests like roquals, carriers, and supercarriers when neutrals are in local. As far as major alliances are concerned; neuts = enemy cyno
Very nice information for us new to EVE... Kudos!
I can’t seem to join the iron armada. I know it’s a coalition not a Corp but I still can’t seem to find them
I really love these geopolitics videos, please continue in the future
Thanks m8!
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When you are talking about a group you might want to fade your camera out if you're covering them.
Ty for the feedback. To be truly elite I should green screen but I am not quite there yet XD
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And I commented on that first one XD Will you be doing a new one in early 2019?
Where is the new one?!
Might wanne look into highsec. Tash murkon especially. Pirate groups are moving against the miners trying to make hs rental
What a fantastic content, this should be launched every quarter to keep those less involved in Null-sec wars up to date on whats going on. I would love to see more of this political landscape and war explanation.
TigerTank515 thank you Tiger!
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This was a great video. Keep up the awesome work. -Exonfang / Director, Fweddit / The Initiative.
Exonfang thank you!
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Do all imperium alliances bot or just goons?
This is great. Could you do a monthly report like this? Also, have you thought about working with Andrew Groen ( Empires of Eve ) to create a second book?
Jason Kidney S hi Jason, I plan to do a monthly region-specific update as a video series. And while I don't plan on writing a book anytime soon I do plan to have Andrew return as a podcast guest in the near future to talk about what he's up to!
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I hope to see more of these. Being up to date is always good.
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This is awesome, I just started playing Eve. I'd like to see the 2020 year
Can we get a 6th month update? There's been quite a shift as of late up north from what I gather.
Frat and Tri have been allies before C02 was dead
During my time in Phoenix Fed I remember FCON beginning the blue donought war by attacking Frat, mainly to acquire more space to expand Phoenix fed with newbro highsec alliances or smaller alliances that wanted to try do their own thing after WWB. PFED Appealed to the smaller Alliances cause you could run an alliance how you wanted, and all you had to do was hit a paps requirement. Fcon Saw Fraternity as an easy target and wanted to show they too had a dick to swing around.
Because of the foundation of PFED, Fcon needed to be surrounded by blues, So when CO2 had their little mutiny, Fcon deployed to help Test.
The just to make sure their was never not a blue in sight, PFED joined the DRF, left completly surrounded by a blue donut, so TRI and Frat joined up to destroy FCON and give it out to Frat to prevent them being surrounded by a blue doughnut as they didn't want the space, but needed an Ally.
delve is a must. Ive heard so much about that area
Alexander Howitt delve belongs to us goons
A shit-hole filled with shit people. There is little of value there save it's resources.
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All you need to know about Delve:
Autistic edgelord tryhards who bot all of their wealth. You're welcome.
When r u doin another update video? Please do!!!
Just start alphabetically with Aridia - low sec pirate hole and the place Test evacuated to years ago to regroup (didin't go well).
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They get so much mining done because they bot and punish their own for reporting botters. They're literally the cancer of EVE.
Great series, brother. Can't wait for more.
COMOOOON MORRRRREEEEE
Develope strategy for your idea man
You are awsome keep going dont stop
i belong to a WH corp!!! I love the way we play EVE online!!! we are out of everything!! so i dont know a lot about politics to this game until i met you on youtube! thanks for inform us!!! :P fly safe
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Correction: Unspoken Alliance are NOT on their own. We form Volta and Skill Urself are behind them and are always coming to their important timers on T3 fleet 30-50 alpha lokis. And Skill Urself support them with superfleet, so Prothean can't use their capitals against them. Otherwise, it's really 10 or so active ppl. They wouldn't do anything without Volta and ZeroFuns.
Noted!
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Yo! Homie! Do more videos I like seeing the geography stuff
could you please make a 2018summermap? because if im not wrong there is now someone else in pure blind
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*I don't even play this fucking game and I'm as familiar with it's large conflicts and wars as I am with most large conflicts and wars in real fucking life*
EVE: online
Love it or Hate it
You gotta respect everything that it is
I actually haven't even watched this video, either
I just came here to pay my respects
You might see me on many other videos doing the same, because this is one of the coolest games- no, communities- no that's still not it.. _experiences?_ Yes.
This is one of the coolest- if not *the coolest* fucking *_experience_* you can be a part of, in the *entire realm of gaming*
end of summer 2019. how about another part? make it a trilogy lol
Important to note that a large portion of Cloud Ring is owned by neutral entities, not Panfam.
Most of the region actually.
Important is a strong word ;p
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We need an update good sir.
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Tri is going to break without help, wouldn't be the first time either. CVA has also been holding up quite well against PL, they have defended their space for a very long time and are very good at it. I could also see TEST and Legacy coalition helping out CVA, and Imperium is likely to 3rd party any major fights as both TEST and Goons have been relatively friendly with CVA.
I agree with your read on Provi but I wouldn't be so sure about TRI breaking. I think if they were going to break it would have been long before now.
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How long till we get an update for half year 2018?
Good video. I only got 360p, so it was a bit hard to see the text/systems on the map. Are you able to get it in higher resolution? Keep up the good work.
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I need someone to make a politics news channel for Eve to say all the new things happening
You may enjoy Jintaan's channel for that kind of content. Or if you would like it in podcast form, my show www.declarationsofwar.com has a lot of current politics analysis
FRT and TRI are allies of the first hour of war against FCON, since the pheonix federation failed with their winter/spring offensive against FRT in Wicked-Creed.
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Do another! Do another! :D
R.I.P Tri!! we did our job now we coming to get ya FRT RAC
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Thanks for the clear and concise update.
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very good keep it up man
@Alekseyev great video! Keep them coming!
CCP has already been kicking the citadel conversion can further and further down the road. They touted this as "Upcoming Winter" then it was "1st Quarter" after that it was "End of 1st Quarter" now it's just listed as "Upcoming Summer."
I'm not sure if someone at CCP has an axe to grind with Provi, a CSM member or they support NC. and PL. They might be having an issue with the game mechanics and truly having issues with the conversion process. If they'd have stayed with a close to original time line, this would be a moot point, but we're not and here we are.
My read is the conversion got pushed back due to the Upwell 2.0 changes which were prioritized to defuse community rage.
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Excellent video man, just started Eve and this gave me a nice look into the political side of it.
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interesting stuff! subbed
Esoteria would be a good start. with events like steve
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great vid can you keep them coming?
I don't know much about the game just a small interest in it recently and was wondering why the middle part wasn't captured is that the "high sec" area that can't be captured by players? and if so what about the northern spot between xxdeathxx and panfam are those also highsec systems or just nothing useful there?
Caabooose The central area consists of High and Low security space. These are controlled by the NPC empires of EVE. The dark spots outside of that are NPC controlled nullsec space, specifically the factions of EVE pirates. The exception to that is the dark regions in the far north east, those are "Jove" space; dev regions inaccessible to players outside of events like the Alliance Tournament.
If you check out my original video, linked in description, I go into more detail about those areas
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Is it me or is this trend of players high in an alliance switching sides and stealing all assets of their old alliance a bit of a broken thing? Don't you want wars to play out inside the game with fleets vs fleets? Not inside real life, with hacking of passwords or whatever is done?
You should make a new one for 2K19!!!
I believe FRT is allied with TRI.
Love this video concept. It's super interesting.
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Considering INCANP is making it big this needs an update
As a new player, this is very cool! Glad to see someone do all of this. Thanks a ton.
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If u wana talk about a region the surly you have to start with Delve. History is made there
"Delve through the years" oh man...
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"Delve: The Botters Dream"
Kinda has a ring to it.
do Cobalt Edge
alex whens the next update ?
Long time political junkie here, so I think real world politics and economics in a fantasy/scifi game is amazing. I doubt I will ever own a computer expensive enough to play unfortunately. The players themselves have cooperated to establish/control whole regions of a fictional galaxy!
BTW I run a Dell Optiplex 780 3.16 ghz, 4 gb ram windows 7, old Amd 1 gb video card. Can I run the game or do I need major upgrades to my computer/life?
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I play on a toaster. fiddle with settings, I guarantee you can play it.
alpha account so free so nothingvto lose
Thanks for the encouragement!
make a 1 year update!!!!
Fountain, Black Rise or Syndicate plz :)
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I wonder how many bananas can fit in mouth..
How come Fountain seems to be such a hot zone with so much power change in the last few years?
Fountain has a "core" of systems which have NPC stations, enabling groups to base out of it easily. In practice, invasions are rarely launched from there but you will see alliances base out of there long term to farm the surrounding entities for content. If those entities aren't strong enough to withstand it they'll collapse.
The other dynamic is the owner of Delve traditionally exercises a lot of power over Fountain, Querious, and Period Basis. If a large power, like Goonswarm, takes hold of that region you can expect them to replace resident alliances with ones that are more favorable to their interests. That's the chain of events which caused the most recent Fountain turn over.
I talk more about Fountain here: czcams.com/video/GtG5rF6jgcs/video.html
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Wait wait wait... PL and CVA and Test in Provi Bloc? What about HTP and TRC?
Time to update this :) CVA is farts
Loved the optimism in needing to do one next year as a lot will change. A lot already has changed with horde moving, tri leaving its space and becoming mobile and the like.
Might have to do one next month 😄
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Next one plz
rip perrigen Falls the renters dont got any help from the Xdeath or BoT. Razer got taken out there after that the next strongest group DFP and now all the smaller corps there.
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Well i got all my stuff out eve my scaps.
Judge is the one who told gigx to fk test, solar was blue to tri when tri started stomping fcon. etc etc but good work nontheless
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Time for a spring 2018 update! Lots has changed in the first quarter of 2018, and tomorrow the patch should hit.
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Shadow of xxDeathxx is a rental alliance. Legion of xxDeathxx are the ones who own the supers and do actual pvp. Please make sure you are actually naming the right alliances.
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Haven't played in 6 years, still enjoyed the video
BigFrakkinOgre thanks bro!
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i like how you say test is not in the fight when we just joined with drf to kill tri's keepstar. lol
Heh literally recorded the day beforehand. It's v cool to see TEST going hard though
Well, if it was fighting, it wasn't very effective at preventing FCON from being deleted
Its Delve or Fountain...They have both had lots of conflict and fail alliances
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Can you tell more about TAPI the next time?
Its Test not TAPI. Took me a hot minute to figure that noise out. Bloody Europeans.
TEST said to themselves, "How can we sound MORE annoying?"
She's clearly a member of panfam trolling on test, panfam started that stupid acronym.
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Does anyone bother to claim the middle I mean look at it it’s ripe for the taking
Controlled by NPCs, ability for players to effect it is extremely limited
Alekseyev oh I thought the players were a brain dead when it came to the centre
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DRF is 90% renters
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I don't play eve, but this was fascinating! I think you should make more "lore" style videos and history. You could be like a journalist/historian. A journalorian,
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We need a update pre summer 2018 ;)
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Well done. Very interesting.
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can you do a vid on provi first since they are actually fighting for once
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I vote Fountain
I stopped playing in 2012 and it seems like not much has changed, it is still Russians vs Pandemic Legion vs Goonswarm. :/
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Geopolitics in a spaceship game.
Welcome to eve online
You mean retook fountain?
My fav kind of Eve video, keep it up!
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Got some idea how crazy wealth has gotten in Imperium. I feel like a scrub, for only ratting in a carrier haha.
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FRAT and TRI are in the same coalition
FRAT is Serenity, TRI is Vanguard. They've started working together against DRF (relatively recently) but that's not the same thing
It's not a long standing coalition, but it was already in place for the events you were explaining in the video.
Well, you're right, you don't call yourselves a coalition, I meant allies in war, the same way TRI and CO2 were at the beginning of the FCON invasion. In 19:20 the author says that you are engaged against TRI, and (correct me if I'm wrong) you took that space that FCON used to have by working along with TRI
Good to know!
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please someone explain what "cant leave that station without being killed" means in reality. I mean, cant play the game at all? Before doing what?
I understand the concept of "dont fly what you cant efford to lose" and things like "stealing a whole huge space hangar with all the ships, caps and money" can happen. But as someone who would just be an ordinary soldier, not involved in anything corps leaders do, i´d love to be able to log in and at least escape with my character and skills and start a new life somewhere else. Even if that means relying on charity for a week.
I tried to start several times, but i dont have time for it, not even 2 hours a week, but every now and then i keep coming back to youtube videos and think that would have been a great game to play if i hadn´t been so hooked up with other games when i had the time. So just a short honest explanaition without trying to convince me it isnt that bad, or something like that, will do. I mean, things like that, without any knowledge, can scare the shit out of newbies and not even try highsec.
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great video :)
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dude you gotta do more of these
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Syndicate!! Do syndicate!!
A region near and dear to my heart...
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Damn...Almost feel sorry for CO2
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A note on Legacy vs Co2, Test and Brave had started the invasion of Impass before Judgement Day, and the war was already heavily in our favour
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is it possible that goons attack provi before pan get it?
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Captivating! Subbed :)
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I think you have your facts wrong about why the timers where changed. The Imperium attacked it during AUTZ which forced Panfam to change it to EUTZ/USTZ.
Dunno about that. Even Imp attacking it in AU wouldn't make switching to Imperium's strongest TZ a good idea. I think they had to make the change due to the upcoming patch and decided sooner was better than later to weather Imperium's best effort to kill it
Wait so NC / PL / horde / GOTG, who have a very strong AUTZ, the strongest AUTZ game changed it out because they were scared of goons ?
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He betrayed his friends for money. How can people do such things and live with there self. Hopefully his ancestors shame his soul it’s
Horrid.
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the home of content: Catch
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Great work. I have just left an alliance in the DRF, that zone was toxic. With skill urself and even WH corps like Volta are camping all day unchecked
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Providence is going to be providence for ever let keep freedom in provi
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