Messmer The Impaler's Story Explained - Elden Ring Shadow Of The Erdtree DLC Lore
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Most of the events of Elden Ring and due to the of Queen Marika the Eternal and her Demi-god offspring's, Ranni, Rykard, Radhn,
Godwyn the golden, Malenia and her scarlet rot and Miquella the unalloyed/ saint Trina,
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Elden Ring is set in a dark fantasy world called the "Lands Between." The world was created by the Elden Ring, a powerful object that has been shattered, leading to chaos and turmoil. Players assume the role of the "Tarnished," a character who has been exiled and embarks on a quest to restore the Elden Ring and bring order to the world.
The game features a diverse cast of characters, including gods, giants, dragons, and other mysterious beings, each with their own motives and agendas.
Elden Ring is known for its intentionally cryptic and enigmatic storytelling style, where much of the lore is left open to interpretation and speculation. Players need to piece together clues, engage in speculative discussions with the community, and make their own interpretations to fully understand the lore of Elden Ring and its intricacies.
Elden Ring is also an action role-playing game played in a third-person perspective with gameplay focusing on combat and exploration; it features elements similar to those found in other games developed by FromSoftware, such as the Souls series, Bloodborne, and Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. Director Hidetaka Miyazaki explained that players start with a linear opening but eventually progress to freely explore the Lands Between, including its six main areas, as well as castles, fortresses, and catacombs scattered throughout the open world map. These main areas are interconnected through a central hub that players can access later in the game's progression-similar to Firelink Shrine from Dark Souls-and are explorable using the character's mount as the main mode of transport, although a fast travel system is an available option. - Hry
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What made me feel sad was what he says if he beats you in his first phase you can feel the tiredness the resignation the emptiness he feels at saying that he's just reapting the order he was given an order he follows yet has no belief in anymore
It’s truly tragic, I love his story, but it just makes me wish more and more Marika wasn’t a twat
@@theemeraldgecko310 she was afraid of messmer and had vengeance in her heart for the hornsent she was a person broken by circumstances and used her pain to justify her crimes
I’m so glad we got more into the history of Marika really wasn’t expecting such concrete information!
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@@theemeraldgecko310I get what you’re saying about Marika, but she was doing for him, in terms of his affliction, what Miquella did for Malenia. Does make me wonder if Malenias eyes were taken by scarlet rot or did Marika and or Miquella try to use their eyes to do for Malenia what Marika did for Mesmer. I also don’t think the genocidal rampage Mesmer was partaking was unreasonable. Marika wanted revenge for her and Messmers people being turned into jar saints.
Messmer: Mama's boy
Malenia: Daddy's girl
Radahn: Daddy's boy
Ranni: Mama's girl
Best comment of all time
Miquella: brother lover
Huh, I never knew Malenia had an attachment to Radagon? I need to catch up on my lore again.
Rykard: forgotten middle child.
@nebunezz_r poor rykard :(
What I love most about Messmer are the little details we get about him through his followers.
Gaius and Messmer were friends, and both acted as older brothers to the lion (this is radahn, the spell you get from Gaius’s remembrance name drops him) Gaius was an albininuric, an artificial race that was hated in the lands between, but Messmer felt compassion and a kinship towards him instead of hatred, and the two became friends because of this shared cursed birth, so much so that Messmer trusted him to lead his army.
Rellana was carian royalty, second only to her elder sister Renalla, for whatever reason, she decided to give up everything and stand by Messmer, despite knowing that not even the brilliance of the moon would give him the help he needed. She disavowed her own lineage and royal line to become known as the “sword of Messmer”. She would give up everything, willing to be forgotten and abandoned, all so she could chase after him. Even though it isn’t stated directly, I feel like Rellana could have some unreciprocated feelings for Messmer, she chased after him to stand by his side despite knowing she wouldn’t be able to grant him succor, she gave up everything nonetheless for him.
The fire knights, his personal order, are stated to be the only ones who truly knew Messmer, the painful fate that accompanied his cursed form, his flaming serpents. Fire serpent even states that even though Messmers flame would not find purchase within them, they still used fire for the sole fact that it honored their bond, between each other and Messmer most likely. The winged serpent was even the symbol of Messmer’s army, a wise friend who kept the base serpent at bay. Messmer granted them the power of his flame, and even though they couldn’t use it to its fullest, they attempted to in order to honor their bond.
It’s fascinating that the main two characters in this dlc contrast each other so much. Miquella is wildly known, and Messmer is forgotten. miquella is seen as a kind and benevolent being, but uses magic and power to charm others into liking him. Messmer is seen as a tyrant and a monster, but naturally attracts good company that genuinely care for him, enough to give up everything to stand with him. Miquella is perfect and angelic, while Messmer is blasphemous and demonic, yet miquella is much more evil than Messmer when you look into his story. Messmer is by far my favorite fromsoft character, a cursed being who likely deals with self hatred and disgust, is cursed to be eaten from the inside by an abyssal serpent, and is banished to the shadow lands to be a tyrant and a monster, yet finds himself accompanied by loyal knights and friends, the only other character I can think off that has this many references to people adoring him is Radahn and Godwyn, who also naturally attracted people to their sides. He was close with his knights, his friend Gaius, and Rellana gave up everything to stand by him, despite being forced to be a tyrant, Messmer could’ve been one of the greatest and beloved demigods in the land between, if only he wasn’t stuck in such an accursed form.
On top of all that, they did all of this knowing they’ll be shunned by society and erased from record with their deeds unsung and forced to wage an unending war without mercy or honor. They also have no real reason to stay in the Land of Shadow anymore. Sure, you can also attribute this to being sealed away with no hope of actually escaping their predicament but by the time we arrive to the Land of Shadow, the Golden Order has collapsed, Queen Marika is imprisoned in the Erdtree and the Lands Between was ravaged in the Shattering, and the Tarnished may have killed any and all remaining demigods left. Messmer and his army could’ve deserted the Golden Order, splinter up and resort to banditry. Yet, even after all this time, Messmer’s army remained at their posts, unaware of the developments in the Lands Between, with little to no hint of any rebellion or mutiny aside from a few black knights such as Andreas and his son, Huw, who rebelled Messmer after discovering his “serpentine nature”. Even after Messmer quashed their rebellion, he gave them an honorable burial and mourned for their loss.
Oddly heartwarming for an army of genocidal fanatics sent to commit a brutal ethnic cleansing with no honor or glory in their name.
I've always felt as if Rellana had feelings for Messmer it kinda mad sense in my head, it might also explain that ring on his middle finger. Maybe a gift of some kind?
This was beyond beautiful to read Raiden and I agree with all that you’ve said, this was an amazing read, thank you for sharing!
Great write up and excellent points. Him and Morgott are such tragic figures. They didn't choose to be born or to be cursed, yet to the very end, they served the Golden Order, long after it had fallen, and without the benefits of mass adoration/fealty. Incredible warriors capable of going toe to toe with the strongest of their siblings. It's actually a mercy that we put them down, allowing them to end their lives with the utmost honor. Neither of them like us, but we respect the hell out of them.
loved reading this. this is exactly why i love messmer. i never thought about that parallel between him and miquella , great stuff
Rykards manor has winged serpent statues, the same winged serpent statues that can be found in Mesmer's castle. He must have some knowledge of Mesmer.
I didn’t know this! But this just reinforces my theory! Thank you for letting me know!
@@theemeraldgecko310 I agree I believe it goes with your theory as well, I love all this new lore as it confirms things and raised questions. For months I was convinced Miquella bewitched Mohg, Mallenia and his soldiers. It's great to have some theories finally get confirmed, but it's also raised so many more questions.
@mcsquared5005 I had the same theory! Was so chuffed it turned out to be true! Some people aren’t liking the lore, but imo I’m loving it
@@theemeraldgecko310 it's weird because it's definitely original lore. Everyone always talked too well about Miquella. (Except for Morgot, he knew probably). Miquella actively and sneakily destroyed all his demigod competition.
One very interesting thing in the dlc:
Miquella was able to fully cure Freyja of her scarlet rot. In my opinion that means Miquella could have cured Mallenia but didn't to keep her subjugated to him while waiting for a cure that would never be given. What do you think?
But nom of the serpents have matured to the winged form... Not rykard's not messmer's
Marika literally gouged out mesmers eyes and replaced it with a seal . And much like what she did to Godfrey she made him do her dirty work and then threw mesmer away once its done.
This dlc does give some sympathy points to Marika, but then she does shit like this..
The statue behind Messmer and the "Blessing of Marika" item description makes me think that Marika actually did love him and tried her best to heal him of his affliction multiple times and in multiple ways, but there came a point where she decided that the danger he posed to the Erdtree, though not his fault at all, was too great and she sent him away out of fear
And Morgott and Mogh were likely the same. She couldn't heal them of the Omen curse that reminded her of the very people who took her family away from her the first time but also couldn't bear to see her children be killed for it, so she banished them underground instead. A terrible thing for Marika to do, but knowing her past it is one I can understand to a degree
She wanted to create a world of perfect, eternal order and life, but not even her own children were safe from chaos and the meddling of outer gods. I think she tried to tell herself that how she treated them, as well as her many other sins, would be worth it in the end once she created her perfect world without any more death or war or disorder. And then the golden boy Godwyn actually died, despite everything she sacrificed to make sure that could never happen
And that was the moment she realized her dream was impossible, and all the terrible things she had done to enemies and her own children alike were for nothing. And that guilt and regret is what drove her to shatter the Elden Ring. Too little, too late for poor Messmer though, unfortunately 😢
im not sure but i believe messmer is blind and his snakes are deaf and thats why the snakes are looking at you when entering the arena instead of messmer himself the snakes are quite litterally his eyes. thats something i heared.
Love this, also to add onto this, I know this because I have snakes, but snakes use their tongues to figure out where things are, the snakes tongue flicks in the cinematic…
Love this idea! Messmer has my favorite intro line. Just his cadence when he says "Mongrel intruder," it sounds so intimidating and then he's taken by surprise for a second when he realizes that we're Tarnished. Up there with Rykard's "Very well," and Morgott's "Foul Tarnished"
All of the kids Marika made with Radagon are afflicted. You'd think they would stop after the first afflicted kid.
I mean, two out of the three childrren she had with Godfrey were also afflicted.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 She's the problem 😭 spreading faulty genes
She just couldn’t help herself lmao
I think the greater will want her to have those children. She probably just did what she was told.
@coreydx8602 that’s actually a great theory, would explain her detachment from them!
another important information is also that messmer's sister is melina
I might have missed this big time but where does it say this?
@@theemeraldgecko310 they both have flame unlike their siblings
@@theemeraldgecko310also something with eyes which I don't remember
I think it was in his remembrance where it says he had visions of fire as a child like his younger sister
@ZanderC334 oh my god how on earth did I miss this
Something that you really should’ve mentioned: At the bottom of the Shadow Keep is what appears to be a sick bay for the Living Jars. Given what we learn from the DLC about what the Hornsent did to the people of the Shaman Village, it's heavily implied that for all the atrocities Messmer commits in Marika's name, even he cannot stomach what the Hornsent have done and does his best to care for them. It also seems to be another reason that fueled his brutality towards them.
This is a massive oversight on my part, I didn’t come across this part in the shadow keep! Thank you for letting me know about this!!!
This makes a lot of sense given the lore of the Bonny Village (sp?) and what's actually inside the Living Jars! I won't spoil it, just in case, but the contents of the Living Jars play a massive role in Marika's whole war in the land of shadow, so the fact that Messmer's forces seem to care for the Living Jars is incredibly interesting.
It's crazy the connection he had with the Carians. Rykard clearly took inspiration from his snake curse when everything fell apart, Messmer and Gaius were as older brothers to Radahn, and he impressed Relanna enough that she rejected her royal heritage in favor of fighting by his side. Does anyone else suspect that Messmer might have caused the first burning of the Erdtree? He certainly seemed capable of doning so, especially with his kindling (also explains why his sister Melina is burned and bodyless) and it would explain why Marika was so scared of him. She essentially imprisoned him by veiling these lands in Shadow after his successful crusade against the Hornsent. He even seems the have taken the fall for the whole ordeal, at least at first, asking his loyal soldiers (made up of convicts essentially) to blame only him. Once he realized that it was ruse to isolate him from the Golden Order though, him and his troops cut the heads off damn near every Marika statue. God Marika was such a shitty parent, but at least now we know WHY she was such a maniac. She had some crazy trauma, and responded by inflicting crazier trauma on others, rejecting a pair of own twins for reminding her of the Hornsent.
I hate Marika but I can see why she became what she did, god if you look at it, if the hornsent were not the hornsent elden ring wouldn’t have happened… I don’t know how people don’t like the dlc story
Marika and Messmer really remind me of Tywin and Tyrion Lannister from Game of Thrones, it is almost similar
You know what? I hadn’t noticed it but you’re right!!!
One thing of note: in Norse mythology there is a "Root Serpent", Nidhogg, who gnaws at the roots of the World Tree along with the souls of the guilty. Kinda like our Base Serpent Messmer, who was set up by Marika to be the villain who would take all the bad reputation for the extermination of the Golden Order's foes. Also I think that the horns of the Omens, the Hornsent and the Wormfaces are meant to be roots. Both snakes and horns are symbols of evil in the Golden Order and they both are aspects of the "base" or "roots" of the Erdtree. Basically, the Golden Order wants you to revere the Erdtree, but it does not want any questions raised on it's origins, so it denounces "horns" and "serpents" as evil.
This is super interesting and awesome! Also to add onto this, you could say Messmer’s crusade is a bit like Nidhogg gnawing at the roots, exterminating those it has to
Dont think the Base Serpent has any relationship to Nidhogg. Its pretty likely that Nidhogg is actually Godwyn considering his position and broader lore
When I first saw the dlc trailer the first thing I thought of was if messmer was marikas son did she throw him away like her other 2 sons
Marika really has a lot to answer for
The snake outer god could be the god of blasphemy and rykard is its lord
I could definitely see this! If the snake is the god, Rykard it’s lord, who is the outer god?
Favorite child Shadow Realm unfortunate twins Sewers!!!
Messmer =best guy
Beautiful video 🙏 I think messmer is my favourite boss in the whole game. His fight is well balanced, visuals stunning, voice acting impeccable. The status in his arena really did make me feel bad for him, it seems like he held hope that she had not completely foresaken him until the very end. It’s devastating to think of him sitting in that room with that statue of a smiling gentle marika and his newborn self.
Fun fact: Messmer uses the oh mother emote during his phase transition before he removes his eye.
I think mesmer and melina are both cursed empyrian children of Marika and radagon, who are both cursed by the fell god of fire.
We know mesmer has a sister who has visions of fire, well I wonder who that could be. This also aligns with the popular theory of melina being the globe eyed queen. Melina also has a curse like her younger twin siblings and her older brother, she is burnt and bodiless, sounds cursed to me.
This honestly seems like the most logical answer to these questions, plus it explains how she knows what to do with the fire giants flame! Awesome stuff!
@theemeraldgecko310 thanks. And right back at ya for being one of the people getting the convo started. I love talking about lore, and sharing ideas is always fun and it's helpful.
I've already come to change my mind on whether or not radhah was willing or not thanks to some info and a perspective someone shared on a comments section.
Specifically, it was a quoted from the eccentric hood about ierren and radhan making a vow they'd insure eachother an honorable death, which explains the whole radhan and melania war.
@Cman04092 you’re very welcome dude! Honestly, you’re comment helped me come to a conclusion on why Messmer might have actually been banished in the end… Melina had visions of fire.. what if that fire of Messmer struck out at Melina?
i felt the emotion when you said shed a tear…
It honestly was really emotional man
Messmer Is the BEST.
MESSMER IS THE GOAT
@@theemeraldgecko310 CORRECT!!!!!
@NikTheGreek753 HE IS THE BEST GOAT OF ALL BLOOD TIME
@@theemeraldgecko310 Blood time? (He is the best character fromsoft was ever created)
Held off watching your vids until I beat it, great one as always! So much is still unclear, I agree that Marika used Messmer to do horrible things, then sealed him away because I think she saw the crusades as a bloodbath, putting it out of sight and out of mind, sealing the whole realm away, wanting to dissociate herself from all of it. Marika is truly the villain in all of this :/
Thanks so much dude! I agree, Marika really is the villain in all of this, never despised a fictional character so much lmao
my prawns are at the ready
You sir are a green flag
Great video brother!
Cheers man thank you!
As bad as I feel for Messmer, I feel just as bad for Marika in some ways. Marika was born to a small village, the people of which were butchered and used as the primary ingredient in living jars. She grew up watching her friends and family be butchered by the Hornsent. So Marika finally becomes a god, and what does she do? She sends her first born to obliterate the Hornsent, the ones who tormented Marika’s people for all that time. Marika does a lot of messed up shit, but she isn’t evil, not really, just like all the other characters in Elden Ring, she’s tragic af.
You make a really good point and I agree, it’s a stupid mistake on my part, but I missed a few key items on my playthrough that I’ve only been made aware of after this video, never felt more sorry for Marika
@@theemeraldgecko310 nah man I wouldn’t call it a mistake really, your video was focused on Messmer not Marika. Also, aside from the info gathered from the DLC, I have felt Marika was a victim and puppet of the golden order for the entire time. She cast out Messmer, Morgot, and Mohg because they disrupted the pure image of the Golden Order. But how much of that was her and how much of it was a compulsion forced on her by the Golden Order itself? When Godwyn dies Marika is like, “enough is enough fuck this shit”, and breaks the Elden Ring. If it was solely Godwyns death, yeah I guess I could see it, however it makes more sense if Marika had multiple grievances building up over time that pushes her to the point of being utterly fed up. I think Marika took up the Golden Order’s offer for godhood, thinking she’d be able to avenge her people, and like Miquella, make the world a better place, but the Golden Order was the one truly in control so she really never stood a chance.
Messimer having a heart of darkness episode 100%
Messmer is the most non evil person out there 🐍🐍🐍
Maybe rykard adored Mesmer because he was Marika’s very first pretor ?
Is this directly stated? If so that’s massive!
Mesmer the empaler was cursed by the flame god which is why Marika crusaded against them. You can also see the spears piercing the giants on the mountain top which look an awful lot like mesmer's
I actually really like this theory!
My theory is that Messmer isnt the first born but He, Melania and Miquella are actually Triplets
I love this theory! Plus it makes a lot of sense considering the butterfly’s!
No way they could be triplets
Great video! It made me think, shadows are dark reflections.
In base game, snakes are blasphemous because they wage war on gods. So in Shadow snakes are honored because they worked with Merika to wage war on gods in a crusade.
It kinda fits with other stuff too, omens are these special people are hidden away or hunted, the hornsent are special people who are seen as holy. They also look similar.
Maybe even the pots, it was done to Marika’s people, now she does it to fuel the Erdtree.
Also, Midra was from the shaman village. The implications of that could be really big.
i think mesmer and melina might be siblings as both of them have smth relatedwith their eyes and it makes sense since melina knnows alot about marika
Yeah! Maybe they were twins?
Excellent video but i'm a bit skeptical about messmer being the firstborn cause marika didn't have that much power before godfrey, so assaulting the hornsent before it would be a bit strange imo.
Thanks dude! I totally get where you’re coming from!!
Great work King
Thanks dude!!!
I wonder if rellana and messmer were a couple?
We know the significance of greatswords to marriage with carian royalty. Hers is styled not only after herself but also messmer. If so it makes sense that she was willing to give up everything to help him.
This would be such a cool and interesting plot point! This is my head cannon now lol
EDIT: I double checked a couple of items but I tihnk I was incorrect in it being stated explicitly, but it is heavily implied by the description of her swords and her helm that she "chased" after Messmer and forged swords that read "here and here alone were moon and fire ever together". So it's probably more like she followed him because she was infatuated and it wasn't reciprocated, that's the vibes I get from the whole thing.
I believe there's an item description (perhaps the talisman you pick up where the Messmer soldier spirit is, I don't quite remember) that specifically states she followed him because she loved him? I feel like I remember reading a couple of item descriptions that hinted heavily if not outright said that she followed him for love.
I got 2 questions. 1. If Messmer is the oldest child of Marika and Radagon and was there way before Godfrey it means that Radagon was there before Godfrey too. Then why did Marika choose Godfrey over Radagon as her consort but then changed her mind? 2. If Messmer is Radagon's son why does he have the red hair since the red hair of Radagon is a curse of the Giants? Didn't the war against the Giants start way after Messmer was born?
To answer the first question, this was something I stupidly forgot to mention, I’m thinking maybe Messmer was a bastard of Marika and Radgaon, this would also explain why not many people know of him, Marika hiding away her dark secret! Maybe radagons curse is from a long time before the war?
@@theemeraldgecko310Yeah that could be the case. Maybe Radagon started to shine later in the Lands Beetween and was passive in the Lands of Shadow. But I am sure the curse happened after Messmer was born. Why would Giants curse Marika/Radagon while Marika hadn't come to the Lands Beetween yet? For a final boss Radagon is still a mysterious character for me.
@Dragonslayer76810 maybe! Honestly, a bit stumped here too, maybe the answers are here but we haven’t discovered them yet?
Marika had to cast off radagon to enter the gates, but somehow they reunited
@Based_investor If you are comparing this with Miquella's case, Miquella had to cast off St.Trina because St.Trina was scared of becoming a God and was standing on Miquella's way. However, there is no proof that Radagon was against Marika's godhood and that Marika had to cast off him(at least I haven't found yet)
What's the names of the songs you use? Worked really well with the vid.
I put it in the pinned comment, but it’s a mix up of some of AlexRoe’s stuff!
@@theemeraldgecko310 Ah yeah big fan of Alex. Thanks
@splinter360 his stuff is incredible! Hopefully bandi decides to stop striking 7 year old videos soon!
5:50 the crusades were also evil, slaughtering innocent people. Knowing Marika she got Mesmer to slaughter innocent people
This is a great point! Forgot to mention this!
TBH Elden Rings deserves another sequel or a DLC on Marika or on Ranni and why her mentor said to fear the dark moon. Good video, and I learned a new word "Bra fucking vo".
Thanks so much for the lovely comment, glad I could help out lmaooo
Nice video!!!
Just to add in the comments, we got a few goddies from the Shaman Village what confirms it is Marik's origin place and the why Marika did war of genocide on the Hornsent and she hates the Crusible
*"Golden Braid: A braid of golden hair, cut loose. Queen Marika's offering to the Grandmother. Boosts holy damage negation by the utmost. What was her prayer? Her wish, her confession? There is no one left to answer, and Marika never returned home again."*
*"MINOR ERDTREE: Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without Order. Creates a small, illusory Erdtree that continuously restores the HP of nearby allies. Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal."*
*"Tooth Whip: Whip bestrewn with rotting, misshapen teeth. Filthy and seething with disease, the teeth are embedded in the whip and dose the victim with deadly poison upon each strike. As the wounds ripen they grow inflamed and ooze pus. The flesh of shamans was said to meld harmoniously with others."*
*Dialogue of a Hornsent Ghost: For pity's sake, your place is in the jar. Nigh-sainthood itself awaits you within. For shamans like you, this is your lot. Life were you accorded for this alone.*
*Attire of the shamans who perform their worship at gaols. They offer their prayers to the innards of the greatjars, such that they might be reborn one day into sainthood. This is the cycle of death and rebirth, taken into the hands of mortal men.*
I had missed out on a few of these things on my first playthrough and I can’t help but be annoyed with myself, thank you for letting me know about these they’re incredible!!!!!
Really paints Marikas actions towards the land of shadows in a tragic light!
@@theemeraldgecko310 Yeah, the entire world of the Elden Ring is just one massive cycle of vegance and destruction of the old orders and abussed people making the new hierarchies.
It specially paints Marika's relationship with her Omen sons in a new light. More like rage rather than shame what two of her own sons are Omen
@josetapia9714 I hadn’t even considered this but you’re right… shit, that really is even more tragic
Also would explore the fast travel coffins. It's akin to the living jar but without the formation ritual. You enter, you die, you revive, now you're somewhere else :)
After what he did to me in that fight (i was severely underlevelled) I am now happy he had a shitty back story as a hater😭
What do you mean mannnn, this story IS AMAZINGGGGG
Watch elden ring make another dlc and have messmer actually be a twin
Fromsoft said there's only gonna be one DLC.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 no they said they only had 1 dlc planned for now
Am I missing something? Did fromsoftware make a tv show 😳
All seriousness, maybe he is!
Pegasus, the dlc was supposedly 2 dlcs that got combined, so I’d be surprised if they did make another dlc, but I’d be mega pleasantly surprised if they do
I will honor messmer tomorrow..... this is jus tragic man hits too close to home
I know what you mean man, HONOUR HIM
Mongrel Intruder...
I will not suffer a lord devout of light…
Fuck this phrase , why the stupid tarnished did not respond to him and reback that embarrassing sentence
Quick question: Since the main story of Elden Ring happened in the lands between, and the dlc happened in a place called lands of shadow. Does that mean, there'll be another place called lands of light? Because, the way I see it, take the lands between as mortal world, shadow as underworld, in a way. So, the next place, where the future dlc would probably happened, is a higher realm where it's a literal realm of the gods/the greater will.
P.S: Was what I'm writing clear?
I could totally see them doing this, amazing stuff! maybe an Elden ring 2?
It was clear don’t worry!
Maybe a place where the Golden Order hails from, but not the outer gods. The outer gods hail from the stars.
I'm fairly certain the word you're looking for is sequestered, not secreted. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
If it is sequestered then I admit I’m stupid, but I think it said secreted In game? Could be wrong
@@theemeraldgecko310 Secreted is exactly the right word (and the one used in the game) and it's SUCH a good word for it, it's very similar to sequestered but has a much more negative connotation of hiding something away like a dirty little secret which fits well with what Marika did to Messmer. Banger video btw, bra-fucking-vo is right!
i now hate that we cant side with messmer, i was looking for this options to do so since this elden ring peak but dont give option to side with him, they let us side with ranni thought they at least have sense to let us side with messmer
not marikas birth place its where she lived when her people entered the lands between
good video really excited to learn more from the dlc
Bit of an oversight on my part! Thanks so much for the lovely comment
It's amazing how much I've reacted to this dlc. I got genuinely angry reading Ymir's lore, because it made me realize just how utterly heartless Raya Lucaria Academy became after their split. Someone like him would have gone a long way towards tempering the cold logic of the scholars, and it makes me wonder how different they would have been.
Some people really don’t like the lore of the dlc, but imo I’m bloody loving it
@@theemeraldgecko310 People only dislike it because it ruined their own, rather far fetched, theories of the base game's lore.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 I think you nailed it on the head. I made it a point to go into the DLC WITHOUT any theories because I know Miyazaki's storytelling style well enough to know the man loves to misdirect. There's a couple points that didn't make sense to me, but I think overall the lore in the DLC makes sense and explains a number of things about the lands between without revealing too much
I'm sorry for being that guy but secret and secrete are two different words entirely my friend, and I was like 😳 why are they so leaky? Also a fun tidbit, from my understanding "scadu" is an old English word that's been modernized to the word "shadow", but both are pronounced the same. So Skadutree is literally just Shadowtree.
Im glad to see lore finally. Although i really wish the no spoilers kids would go away already. It's their fault if they find any.
I'm glad to finally talk about it!!!!!! I agree to an extent, not a fan of videos mega spoiling in title/thumbnail, but I've tried really hard not to spoil anything in the thumbnail/title :)
100% if you "don't want SPOILERS" why are you looking up lore at this point?
Bro think twice. Last week I was spoiled who the final boss was with a yt thumbnail. Not everyone is spending their days and nights playing.
@@theemeraldgecko310Title/thumbnail is pretty bullshit but if it worked through on the content of the video itself I'm good with lore/spoilers.
@@raerants While I agree with you that a thumbnail shouldn't spoil it before getting into the video I do question searching for lore on CZcams if you don't want to be spoiled.
Are the base serpent and Rykard's God serpent the same?
It definitely could be, but the dlc is set in the present!
Two different entities, probably from the same outer god.
@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 could definitely see this being the case!
I would love to know more about his relation to rykard
God me too, me too
So he is older than Godwin
Are Marikas actions not justified? Not against Mesmer but sending Mesmer in general.
Kind of but imo, I do think there was some resentment from Marika to Messmer, I don’t think her reasonings lie solely in the hornsent
i love blastphemy
Amen brother
So who is Messmer father ? It never specified is it radagon?
Personally I just kinda assumed it was radagon dude to the red hair!
Red hair and cursed by an outer god, means it's gotta be Radagon. That would make him the older brother of Malenia and Miquella.
Snake, SNAKE!
SNAKEEEEEEE 🐍
@@theemeraldgecko310 there's a snake in my elden ring lmao
@DJIronChef ayo bro leave the snake alone 😭🙏
Marika is from outside the lands between, she and the numen came by ships. She wasnt born on shaman village.
The tablet near mohg palace shows a prophecy of a group of people coming via ships, and they would bring the tree religion
Oh? If this is the case that is a massive oversight I’m sorry!
I’ve just looked back on the video, I said the numen were the shaman not that they 100% originated at the land of shadows :)
Yes, marika is from outside the lands between, but nothing suggests that she came via ships, and even though the shadow realm is a mirror of the lands between it is a separate plane? I think? But even so there is a lot of evidence that she originated from there, like the existence of the golden hair, the small lesser erd tree spell, and the placement of tree sentinels, almost guarding it
@@swagzsunfire6645 I was thinking the same thing, I’m not sure if it says she came on ships? Could be wrong
Where does it suggest she come from anywhere by ship?
*secluded
It's just all bad. You can blame Marika, or blame the Hornsent, but if being stuffed in a jar to be made a saint is the product of worship, then you could say it all begins with outer gods. Life sacrificing life for a mere chance at getting closer. Seems like the most atrocious will be the only to succeed as it's the shining quality of the stars. Control over life and death.
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Eyyyy wassup Messmer
I hate marika.
Marika just needs to go take a chill pill
Miquella is far worse.
It’s hard to care about from soft games stories because they are not good at telling the story. They write good stories but they fail at telling them effectively. If they could get that under control they’d have perfect games
Imo I think they did a really good job, which bit are you referring to?
The whole point of Miyazaki's style of writing is that we have to find the pieces and put the story back together. None of these games would have thrived nearly as long if not for that.
@@theemeraldgecko310 personally I don’t have issues with it but Reddit is loaded with fans who hate either A. Having to piece the story together or B. How you can miss large portions of the story if you simply miss an npc , thereby losing their questline and their part of the tale. It’s a genuine issue, I have answered countless posts online and Reddit about that very thing. Like in the DLC, without finding a missable ladder you can get locked out of a large part of the map and story content. Or by missing npcs you can get locked out of questlines. I enjoy that but there are so many out there who don’t and they are correct in a way. By doing that you’re making your game harder to enjoy for lots of people. Which I don’t think is Miyazaki’s overall plan. I’m sure he would prefer the more people enjoy the game the better, why else make games but for them to be enjoyed? I love the way you have to discover every portion of the map and make sure you don’t miss things but lots of people don’t.
Miyazaki's storytelling relies heavily on the Completion Principle, which is the human inability to leave a thing unfinished (it's a real psychology thing which is super interesting and so irritating at the same time). It's why the games have drawn such a cult following and why they're so beloved, I think. They exist to keep you guessing and thinking, and never intend on filling all of the gaps. They find a balance between having a massively overblown story that spans hundreds of characters and multiple universes, without compromising on gameplay and bloating the game to make a 50 hour long movie. But I can understand how that kind of storytelling doesn't appeal to everyone. Personally, I don't think I would enjoy the Souls universe games as much if they weren't as complex as they are. But it's all down to personal preference.
Messmer totally felt like an endgame boss. The final boss of the dlc just felt out of place? Idk maybe it’s just me, but i was expecting something as cinematic as messmer’s fight yet we got radahn 2 electric boogaloo with mounted femboy 😢
Honestly I do get where you’re coming from, personally I loved both but I certainly see what you mean!
12 minutes of yapping 😭
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Wtf marika is a shaman or Numen and who tf is messmers father and why is there a trailer this doesnt make and sense and the grand betrayal not even chatgpt vidya can save me now😭
Shits so confusing and I love it
Think the dlc was 10/10 untill i Finished the Story was probably written in a phentanyl moment and half the theme the Trailers represented was Changed and Looking back probably 90 percent if the items half the weapons and 40 of the map is cut centend (I think they cut the Story of the dlc again to pump out a elden ring 2 sequel in 2 years)
I saw another video that basically said the shaman and numen are one in the same basically
@tiny631 that’s my thinking as well, just the land of shadows name for them imo
@schmitz8073 I get where you’re coming from, maybe I’m sniffing Elden copium but maybe the trailers were red herrings? I actually am quite enjoying the story, maybe that’s just me though
Who cares lol he’s now left out to pasture that no good snake 🐍 😂
MESSMER IS A GOOD SNAKEEEE
@@theemeraldgecko310 it didn’t feel like it fighting him ha
@coltonconner782 no but he is best snake boy 🦎🐍
It is blasphemy not blasTphemy ffs
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Cry about it.
Knowing Messmer "fled" the Lands Between on the orders of Marika, it would make sense why there's already those serpent insignia all over Volcano Manor. And maybe Rykard saw in Messmer a role model (same way Radhan looked after Godfrey), a path to take. Marika might have send him in the "two birds one stone" way but the irony is the Serpent found a way to still remain in the Lands Between, exercing his threat against the Erdtree, via Rykard when Messmer was off limits.
It truly is sad, Marika sacrificed her son Partially for the threat to her order, but it was all for nought. This just gets sadder and sadder
Messmer’s story was all kinds of fucked up he just did his part and was fucked over for it and the level of guilt and emptiness and longing for his mother’s approval is just so heart breaking.
Seventh lair of hair
The luscious locks of Messmer