Why These F1 Wing Designs Were Banned
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- F1 is a tech testbed where teams have always strived to push their cars to the limits by improving their aerodynamics, often by adding new components. But sometimes, these new parts can have negative effects, are deemed dangerous, or are just downright ugly. Enter the FIA to sort things out and get it BANNED.
In this first episode of a brand new series, "Banned", we take a look at the various banned wing tech we've seen on F1 cars. From X-Wings to midwings, to Viking horns and everything in between.
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Random midfield team: finally, i've spent millions of dollar and months of research trying to create aurodynamic devices that aren't illegal in the sport, and now their here! Maybe our team can turn things around after all.
FIA: Well yes, but actually no...
100%
Remember Brawn and the double diffusers?
Classic FIA
@@Mattsretiring well, perhaps not that perticular example. They got to keep it. But it does happen many other times
@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO but banned from the next season onwards. They are kind of restricting aerodynamical research...
Don't like this, especially since there will be a budget cap, witch should even more encurage new designs.
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.
@@ivangamer8022 just no...
Team: look at our new design!
FIA: Good idea. It's banned right away!
Team: Well if you're going to be like that then why not just give us identical cars?
FIA: Because we don't want to stifle innovation.
Team: ....
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.
@@ivangamer8022 The ability to speak does not make you intelligent
@@evann5451 the ability to type doesn't make you intelligent either
@@dr.science_0177 Who asked you?
Which design should we ban?
FIA: *YES*
2000's Ferrari: _we strongly suggest you remove that_
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.
@@ivangamer8022 Yes you are correct.
I propose a new racing series: Fauxmula 1!
It's the same as Formula 1 but we throw all the bans out and give each team a fixed budget and see what they can make
I think "Formula X" would be a better title.
Wait, shit, somebody already named a nail polish "Formula X"...
I second this
Yes! Also, create a version if the olympics with no doping control. I want to see what a human is capable of with no limitations.
There's formula libre, but without the big money of a big championship it's not worth spending a billion dollars a year on aero development. CanAm racing in the 70s was that kinda spirit, but the cars got so bananas they would just kill people. It can be hard to understand why a lot of aero stuff gets banned on 'safety grounds' but you've got to remember the forces involved are *massive* and if something goes dodgy mid-corner then cars end up in grandstands (see 80s ground effect). WEC is a lot more open, but only Toyota are willing to spend the money on it. I'm really looking forward to the return to ground effect in F1 now we've got the tech to do it safely. I like the lines of my racing cars sexy, not looking like a space station, but that's just me :) I do totally understand your desire for crazy tech battles though, it is one of my favourite parts of motorsport :)
@@ben_1 That exists. Google: 'tour de france' ;)
FIA: those winglets will obstruct the drivers view!
Also FIA: H A L O
Except the halo improves safety drastically
The HALO barely affects visibility if at all
@@1m3agle I know just tryna lighten the mood
The halo actually doesn't limit visibility at all. It's this funny thing with your eyes where it basically just becomes a blurry shape unless you focus on it. It's the same reason an Eotech sight doesn't hamper visibility
@@filmandfirearms "at all" can you explain this a bit better, i'm struggling. As a bug on my visor sure affects mine.
I'll be honest, I actually loved the X-wing idea. Tyrrell's was by far the best. They should have only banned the detachable ones.
I also loved the X-wing. Those 1998 era cars looked a bit simple without them but it will still be my favourite era regardless
During the time, I didn't like the.. But now I appreciate them.
I agree. If they were properly braced and integrated into the body of the car they wouldn't be any more of a safety risk than any other wing currently in use. It was those questionably skinny mounts that simply bolted onto the body that were concerning.
I noticed this with a lot of bans. One team will do something in a way that's doesn't impact safety, but then another team does it in a way that is dangerous. So the FIA will ban the concept outright instead of just banning the unsafe implementation.
It's frustrating to watch but it happens so often.
Eh they make the cars look absolutely silly
Team:what a great idea
FIA:it's banned
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.
Ironically there's no Red Bulls in this list.
Under-rated!
2:38 the original Halo
That one did not even affect visibility, just like Halo today.
More like TALO
TheRomanRuler
Yet it was banned and the Halo is not banned.
FIA: iF wE DiDNt ThUnK oF IT fIRsT, We bAN!
If Romain Grosjean had needed to trust his life to that thing, he'd have died.
4:02 That Ferrari actually qualified for that 1982 Long Beach race with a standard wing. However, they got the green light to race with a new wing, only to be disqualified after the race by the complaint made by Ken Tyrrell, since his driver Alboretto finished 5th and he wanted one extra point for 4th place. Villeneuve was the best turbo driver on a racetrack that does not favor turbos. Such a shame that Ferrari was taking a gamble to prove a point which no one remembers anymore. Anyway, one of the classic races with Lauda's comeback, which propelled Rosberg in the chamiponship contention which he would eventually win, marred only by the disqualification of otherwise excelent Gilles Villeneuve.
What was the point Ferrari were wanting to prove?
@@friggincanvee About the ridiculous pushing of the regulations, with teams exploiting loopholes everywhere
Well, Rosberg wasn't really in contention till the end of the championship. What propelled him was Pironi's accident several races before the end of the championship, of which if he got few more points, rosberg wouldn't had caught him in the title race while Pironi was in hospital.
This is going to be a great series. Whenever I think of banned innovations in F1 I always think of the 3rd pedal in the MP4/12
McLaren Viking horns were badass
The X-Wings were banned on PURE aesthetics, despite what the official reasoning was, and I was ALL for it at the time!
FIA: If it's ugly, it's unsafe.
@@anonincognito617 Well... there was the time something (a wheel gun's cord I think?) got tangled up in a Sauber's X-Wing and tore it clean off. So yeah, there _was_ something unsafe about them.
Explain the halo 😁
@@perfectlap9379 Are you trying to say it's ugly? Because you clearly haven't seen how the teams have incorporated them into the design of the car
Meerkat More f1 cars past 2014 just look ugly in general and the halo just makes them worse. Not to mention they genuinely feel less powerful then a Renault R26. My best in a r26 around spa 1:49 best in a 2018 red bull was 2-3 seconds slower. I don’t know why but the F1 cars of the 00s were just so much better.
It's a same FIA bans everything that looks innovative. That's why today all cars looks the same and the small teams can't reach the bigger ones.
That’s kinda the FIAs job. They don’t want loopholes.
Maybe with loser regulations a small team once a century would hit on something amazing and win a championship. But ... that's not realistically going to happen, as it'd just make the big teams even more likely of finding advantages that others won't and driving even further away from the rest.
Nostalgia is all well and good but you can't turn back to clock to times when F1 designers didn't understand aerodynamics.
Also, incidentally, don't exaggerate on the "banning everything". Just look at how different F1 cars are nowadays from back then; clearly they do not ban everything.
@@Sp4mMe They ban anything that's practical...or, in the case of DRS, mandate it.
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better than before you brainlet.
@@PeRRXX A majority of the things they've banned aren't loopholes - ground effect, winglets, front wing, flexible wing, fiddle brake, etc etc
I love each and every one of these oddities, long may they continue to pop up.
Don’t be stupid, that would be fun and the fia don’t want that.
"Obstructs drivers vision"
Now we have a literal rod 12inches from the drivers face..
Yeah, but it doesn't obstruct the driver's view. Lando Norris has said that you don't even notice it. It's kinda like your nose, it's there, but becomes invisible when you're looking beyond it.
How many designs do you want to ban? FIA: Yes
Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better than before you brainlet.
I remember at least one occasion where an X wing was ripped off leaving the pits on another teams gantry - not the safest place to lose some bodywork.
Sounds like the other teams gantry was in an unsafe spot to me, not the x wing...
It was a Sauber that had it torn off
@@trentwerner366 All the teams that used the x wings had a hard time when refueling because those stupid things were on the way. It was just a matter of time till disaster happened... Glad they got them banned.
Deer Lord
All the teams that Raced men inside gasoline powered metal things around tight tracks at insane speeds had a hard time staying safe. It was just a matter of time til disaster happened... Glad they got them banned.
The viking horns and nose winglets are still so cool!
2008 BMW and McLaren nose winglets are the only ones that I liked, also the Viking Horns McLaren and BMW used to have
I wanna see a Formula X where every team is free to innovate to their hearts content within a more relaxed rule set. The cars can only be so long and tall and wide and all the teams have the same budget that's it. I wanna see what engineers and designers can really do to push the technology forward.
If the Brabham fan car doesn’t appear in this series...
Mercedes: look at our cool new steering innovation.
FIA. Does it work?
Mercedes: Yes, works great.
FIA: Well then. No.
Am I the only one who thinks they looked amazing on the '97 Tyrell ?
I always picked that car in the N64 game because of them, lol
2:37 I almost thought that was the first Halo.
Talking to one of the Sauber team members when they ran the “twin towers”: “They were pointless and we just wanted to see what other teams would do when we came in with them, they provided no benefits to us whatsoever” -Sauber team member who taught one of my engineering classes
If that's true, then that's a such a smartass move.
I absolutely love it!
Wish there was a racing series with no rules. And all focus being that of fastest possible laptime.
For now stadium supertrucks will do. 😀
The T-Wings of 2017, placed at the top of the shark fins. For 2018 the fins were gone, and so were the wings.
I would love to see what the current F1 teams with their available resources could come up with if they were given vastly more freedom like Porsche did with the 919.
Another series from Autosport that won't see a sequel for 500 years.
Oh ye of little faith...😉
i remember seeing the 6 wheeler for the first time in the nikki lauda and james hunt themed movie rush and i was like HOLD ON i need to google that...
Seems more like Red Tape racing more than "Grand Prix",.
Viking horns, skate fins and dumbo ears look kind of cool when you consider all the other pokey awkward winglets on a modern f1 car
How about the T-wing, the Shark fin, the 2007(?) double front wings, blown diffusers, numerous brake and side pod aero winglets, the ground diffusers? The list goes on. Heck, just the said suggestions could probably be an entire video. You’re welcome.
The Aero bits from 06-08 made the cars so much sexier. The Ferrari McLaren and BMWs were especially stunning.To bad the fia killed that.
5:25 These winglets were one of the few to actually look kinda cool.
Viking horns were really cool and I like to think that they would be legal now if Honda hasn't introduce dumbo ears and all other crazy winglets. Hondas and BMW Saubers were just winglets on top of winglets and 2008 Honda F1 car is probably my least favourite looking racecar of all time (excluding 2014 cars).
My favorite banned cars were the fan car by Brabham and the six wheel Tyrrell. In third place I would put the ground effect cars.
The viking horns looked bad ass
There better be a better pub quiz this Friday
Anything Lotus in that black and gold livery is a favorite of mine.
There should be a committee which should be chaired 1/3 rd by vetted team representatives, 1/3 rd by vetted car mechanics and engineers, 1/3 rd by FIA stewards. This committee will review the appeals of FIA to ban innovations of teams. This will be a fair and swift tool for F1, also will remove the dogmatic monopoly of FIA politics in the sport which will empower team’s innovations and give them more sense if control.
@Autosport, maybe the early 90’s rear-wing extensions used on low-downforce tracks. Or the smaller versions used by Minardi, Simtek and Forti during the mid-late 90’s
I never noticed the mirrors of Red Bull at 6:45 before
A lot of the teams used this solution but if I'm right it was banned in the early stages of the 2011 season as drivers couldn't see the mirrors easily. I think I'm right
@@billlittlecoverartist1551 Spain 2010 I believe
Ferrari's "mirror supports" off the halo in '18 worth a mention?
Fia: let's ban the twin vertical fins because it could obstruct the drivers view.
Also Fia: let's make the halo mandatory with a support post directly center of the drivers view
Me: genius!
If I recall correctly Prost had to run with one X-Wing or Tower Wing at first. They were so eager to apply them they'd forgotten to clear the fuel flap.
Le Mans wear always the test bed for Car development... F1 is taking that technology and seeing what extremes these techs can be taken to... Hybrids have been in Le-Mans for the past 5-10 years. F1 have only had Hybrids for the past few seasons
You can only ban so much before everyone gives up. Obvs some things are 100% needed for safety. But others just ruin it. We would have some absolute monsters with less rules
I wonder if those winglets in front of the driver (2:40) will make a comeback, now that we have the halo
yo, they should have F1 ULTIMATE, in which they battle their brains more than their cars, let's see how thruly of a monster can a f1 get without ANY LIMITATION. i want to see 90* corners took at 300 km/h. they should be able to use fans to suck the air from the car, any kind of aero they want, any tires, just make the fastest possible f1 car, that would be even more insane than the f1 we got
I thought that Arrows tabletop wing was weird.... Until I saw that Ferrari asymmetrical rear wing!
6:08
FIA: **bans "Twin Towers" over driver visibility concerns**
Also FIA: **introduces a giant pillar smack in the middle of a driver's POV**
I understand that why the Halo is in place, and I don't disapprove it. I just would like to know why they made a big pillar in the middle of the driver's line of sight, instead of using two pillars off to the side.
The fact that it is in the middle doesnt actually obstruct a drivers view that much because of how our brain merges the images of both eyes to see around something. For example put your thumb like 10cm away from the center of your face and look at it, you should be able to see through it.
@@eliasredlich3425 I dunno. It personally drives me nuts when I play Automoblista.
Dat-Mudkip because when you play games it’s like you’re viewing everything with one eye
Always wondered and hoped to see what a car would look like when all those banned wings would be on them. So X-wings, Mid-wing, double rear-wing, Bull horns, etc. Just to create a maximum downforce car. I know, it won’t get up to speed at all and it’s not like it’ll be any of a winner. But just some sort of aerodynamic funcar as you will. Don’t know if there are any designers on here or on sim-platforms, that’ll maybe want to create something like this for fun. I for one would be very grateful.
while not a wing, an aerodynamic feature I miss are the long plates that connected the engine cover all the way to the rear wing, seen in 2010.
I like Viking horns, skate fins, and dumbo ears
Honda: "Let's set the tone for the 'How to Train Your Dragon' franchise."
How to Train Your Dragon 3, the shape of the horn of that huge dragon that Meatlug's baby befriended: 6:23
Shame they put the Twin Tower wings on the Williams before Maldonado came around. They’d have doubled as crosshairs for him.
FIA=government bureaucracy. Both are similarly intense headaches.
I miss the shark fins of late 2018. Those were badass.
Aw c'mon. No mention of sliding skirts and all of that stuff? There was an "F1" prior to 1990 ya know....
It literally says “Wings” not “Any form of producing downforce”. They also literally talked about cars from before the 90s if you watched the video
I remember a crazy system used on the 1991 or 92 Benetton which was effectively a Le Man style in car jack, that Benetton believed would enable the car to make faster get aways off the start grid when it was dropped down onto the track with the wheels spinning. It was rubbish, and didn't work, but maybe worth a mention. Anyone else remember this?
What about the tea tray wings on the early-70s Marches? Shape sure doesn’t seem like the obvious choice.
Think you mean Wacky on the thumbnail guys. Small point but whacky isn’t actually a word
0:00 this bit is my mums ringtone
FIA: HmMmMM twin towers? Oh yeah they obstruct vision
Also FIA: hmMmMm Halos? Yeah this don’t obstruct vision
Me: Halos, they are literally a pole in the middle of the goddamn car
The ‘Whale nose’ was a pretty inventive, at least Williams (or was it Sauber?) thought so...
Are you going to do the F flap that McLaren used and the teams that followed esp with Alonso driving no handed at Circuit de Catalunya
Those late 90's x wings looked like someone attached two overhead projectors to the side of the cars!
F1 doesn't have to worry about electric cars killing it. The FIA seems to be doing a great job of that on their own.
And to think that in the not too distant future all teams will have to use a stipulated design for all wings.
Why is it that the FIA seems to be putting so much effort into rule changes designed to limit the amount of down force a car can produce? Isn't it a GOOD thing when an F1 car makes more down force?
Because only the first car in line gets that downforce. Everyone running behind them gets "dirty air". This makes it even harder to overtake, which is difficult enough already. More downforce means the first into a curve has a even bigger advantage coming out the other side, as they get clean air and nobody else does.
More of these sort of videos, please!
These viking wings looked great but shame.
5:48 That red-black Ferrari is supersexy.
Better than the orange one from 2019
If they banning everything on all new concepts on prototypes is defeated purpose for car prototypes developing new design moving forward to newer engineering technology.
FIA: No you can't have those winglets, they obstruct view.
Also FIA: You can have this halo that will absolutely obstruct view
It doesn't obstruct the driver's view. The Halo becomes invisible, just like your nose when you look beyond it.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that in an article about WINGS....
There are no RED BULLS?
Does anyone remember the double rear wing that William's tried a couple of years ago? Reminded me of the late 90s
Blown Diffuser is intresting
1:29 Oh look! It's the Tosser!!
I wonder if the Jordan wing directly in front of the driver was banned in visibility grounds?
Because thats where the Halo is now.
If f1 without fia....nowdays f1 will be so cool
Jordan running the first halo
Oh you've got a safe good idea .... be. Shame I've it got taken away...
How about Red Bull's flexiwings?
Flexible Front Wing on the Redbull.
Tower wings banned for safety reasons just being on the side of the car and blocking a portion of visibility.
HALO blocks the same amount of visibility just in front of driver's eyes but it's ok? Ok..
Imagine how interesting F1 would be if they didn't have all those idiotic regulations.
We need more *D O W N F O R C E*
I wonder how an F1 car would look if nothing was banned
3:33 "aerodynamic understanding firmly in its infancy..."
This was 1969, the first year the Boeing 747 flew. Aerodynamic understanding was nothing new!
Maybe not the understanding of aerodynamic principles was in its infancy but application of those principles towards downforce on a racetrack as opposed to lift on a runway was.
Why were the flush wheel covers banned? was it safety?
I have an idea
Make the halo as a spoiler
Wasn't the fan-car technically a wing-related exploit (for cooling ;))
Ferrari's horns looks like Samurai Helmet
Best Regards 🏎
My friend:oh you watch formula one
me:what???no! I watch formula Ban One
FIA: Banning twin tower because obstructing driver visibility
Also FIA: *Every car must have a halo*
The Halo doesn't obstruct the driver's visibility. It becomes invisible, like your nose, when you're looking beyond it. Lando Norris confirmed this.
Coming to a video in the near future... "Why Engines In F1 Were BANNED"
And content would be "Because it drastically made the sport safer. YABBA DABBA DOOO!
Also, AHOY MATEY as teams develop sails.