'Britain can learn A LOT from Singapore' - Should Brits be made to have a national ID card?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- 'Would you be prepared to see everybody in this country have to by law, have an ID card?'
Former Shadow Minister for Northern Ireland, Stephen Pound, on Britain adopting a Singapore-style national registration identity card system.
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I agree, stop paying the French 🇫🇷 for protecting our borders... Instead let's use the money to protect our own borders ourselves !!
The French don’t actually “protect” their own borders in the way people in this country seem to imagine is essential, and they don’t understand why we are obsessed with the notion. France can’t “take control of” its borders in any meaningful way - it has hundreds of miles of land borders, with six countries, much of it just across a field in the middle of nowhere. So what they - and most other European countries - do is to control who LIVES IN the country, through a process of population registration which incidentally makes it rather difficult to be an illegal immigrant (no registration = no ID = no legal recognition = no benefits,healthcare legal work etc).
They think it’s weird that we don’t just do what everyone else does.
@@davidpaterson2309 In France 🇫🇷 No paperwork, no nothing... That's why they queue up at Calais !!
@@AaRr-bn3xx That’s certainly the French view - they want to get to Britain because you have no domestic controls and if you can only get in you can vanish. Unlike France,or most other European countries, where you can get in - but it’s very hard to live a normal life under the radar without being registered.
@@davidpaterson2309 I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make but yes, without the correct paperwork, you won't get anything in France 🇫🇷
@@AaRr-bn3xx The point, surely, is that the U.K. created its own problem and that the solution to it is staring us in the face. A law was passed in 2006 introducing population registration to the U.K.- it was a necessary measure because of EU freedom of movement. It was repealed, without being fully implemented, in 2010 by the new government. Had it not been repealed, they might not be “queuing up at Calais” because we would have a similar regime for foreign residents as France (and the rest of Europe). I know it’s not a panacea and that France and others still get illegal immigrants (the “paperless ones” as the French call them) but by having no domestic controls and a weakly regulated labour market the U.K. makes itself a target.
Singaporeans don't need to update their id card every 3 months lmao, let alone go to prison for not updating an ID card. old man is outdated, get him to rest in the country already.
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking.
The British ruled Hong Kong very well, but rule their own country in mess
@@yipzoe3865 Singapore is a part of British colony, our basic law if base off Brit's.
obviously, in the liberal west....there is a obsession with losing your privacy if you have an ID. So without an ID , how do you prove who you are.....well, you do so with a passport, pension card, driving license, student pass...etc. These are technically unofficial ID....so why don't you centralized it with one ID and you streamlined all you personal administration as well as align them with the country's bureaucracy. So if you want to do anything, that is your primary link and identification. It will link you to tour medical record, your driving licence, your address, your passport and of course your criminal history too. Your work pass or permit if you are a foreigner. So unless if you are up to something criminal, it does you more good than harm.
The concept of an ID is a concept that we inherited from the British when they were our colonial master. Of course, in the early days it was just a paper card with a embossed photo glued to it. With advanced technology it has transformed to a card with a barcode that will linked it to a mainframe database.
Lastly, if you have a ID, the government will know you are a Singaporean, hence when they have too much money overflowing from their coffers or during the pandemic....they will know where you are and which bank to transfer a few thousand dollars to your account to share the country's prosperity
Wasted my time watching you guys talking something that you have absolutely no clue... explain why no way you can be Singapore because you don't understand what make a successful society
There is another key reason Singapore is doing so well. Low taxes. Their tax code is written on 2 sides of A4. Unlike ours which is 20,000+ pages!
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking
@@yipzoe3865 Singapore is a part of British colony, our basic law if base off Brit's.
@@liong5552 Singapore gained full autonomy in 1959 & left the British empire in 1963.
British colonial officers ruled Hong Kong until 1997
@@yipzoe3865 Singapore didn't start inventing everything. Till this day still a member of commonwealth. Basic law is still base off Brit's.
@@yipzoe3865 Singapore didn't start inventing everything after 1963. Till this day still a member of commonwealth. Basic law is still base off Brit's.
we can learn a lot more from ourselves and the way we where only 2 generations ago
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking.
The British ruled Hong Kong very well, but rule their own country in mess
@@yipzoe3865 we can also learn from our mistakes
The ID card system was introduced by British when they colonised south east Asia. Surprisingly they don’t have it in their country
I wonder why they are so reluctant writing about India after the speech sushi tharoor gave I their university 😂😂😂
We did durng the war, I had one myself.
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking.
The British ruled Hong Kong very well, but rule their own country in mess
@@yipzoe3865 UK was governed OK up to about 60 years ago, but then it went slowly downhill. It is ironic thhat we govermed our colonies better than we governed the homeland. the last ten years have been the worst.
@@bernardedwards8461 it is because all the colonial officers got promotion based on their performance, all the most senior positions in civic department were appointed by HK governor. The HK governor was selected by UK parliament, they always selected the most suitable, capable person to be a HK governor, the colonial officers came from different areas of UK, but always worked in harmony and unity , there was no power struggle among them.
Most Hong Kong people were apolitical during colonial period, we focus on developing Hong Kong, so Hong Kong was developed to the 2nd prosperous and richest city in the Asia
We don't need to update our ID cards every 3 months! Haha. We only update the details if there are changes in our addresses, contact details, etc. These days we don't even need to bring out our physical ID cards as we can use the digital ID in our mobile phones. Not everybody would have driving licenses or passports, therefore ID cards for everyone is necessary.
I HAVE LIVED IN HONG KONG IN THE 90'S AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM IN HAVING ONE. WE SHOULD HAVE ONE IN THE UK AS THEY WILL KEEP A CHECK ON ILLEGALS.
and look where Hong Kong is today lmao did anyone mention social credits
I had an ID card when I was young, we all had one during the war. Now I have a bus pass. We should deal with illegals as they do in Singapore.
@@oldshiny3012 and look where the state of Europe including the UK is too today.
@@LinksRoyal thats the slippery slope when you erode ppls freedoms
@@oldshiny3012in the 90s which over half of the decade was under british rule. 😂
Why do we need ID cards when we already have driver’s licenses and passports?
they need a new revenue stream so they can waste that money too
some people cant afford passport or driving license & no doubt an id card will cost us god knows what & then the fines if you dont have it on you & its just another way of stealing our freedonm & punishing us for the government allowing this country to be infested by the third world who hate us
Not everyone is required to have a driving license or passport... Only people who want to drive a vehicle or cross an international border...
Because it isn’t the card itself that is important (though they are useful) but what it is evidence of - legitimate residence. Most European countries don’t “control their borders” in the way that the Tories insist we should - mainly because it’s not practical (eg France has hundreds of miles of borders with 6 different countries, much of it just across a field in the middle of nowhere), so instead they focus on controlling who LIVES IN the country more than on who enters, leaves or transits. Which means that everyone has to register their residence with the equivalent of the Home Office. I still have my old French “EU Visitor” ID card which tells me that I must notify the prefecture within 2 weeks of changing address.
@@davidpaterson2309 I agree... If a Government doesn't know who it's governing, then how can they call themselves the Government ?
Singapore does almost everything better than Britain, including defence. Leaving nukes aside, it has stronger armed forces than we do. The argument that it has a huge advantage in being much smaller doesn't hold water, NZ has roughly the same population as Singapore, but is just as backward by comparison as we are. Ironically, its apparently harsh laws and punishments were inherited from Britain in the days when we were a great nation. Singars is a meritocracy and we are not, a politician like Boris wouldn't last five minutes there. Woke is banned. The Singapore government realised a very long time ago that you cant make ommelettes without breaking eggs. The only valid criticicism is that it is a little too authoritarian, but it may mellow in the course of time
And they didnt colonize to enrich themselves...
@@rodgerhargoon3402 They didn't blame their misfortunes onto the British, they just got to work and made something of themselves in a very short time, though unlike Britain, their island has no natural resources and they have to import half their water. Brilliant leadership.
We by and large don’t resent our colonial past at all. We generally like Britain (or at least, what Britain used to be and what it stood for), and have largely embraced our colonial heritage (architecture, history, institutions, etc.). There wasn’t an acrimonious ousting of the British. You left largely on your own accord. We’re still part of the commonwealth. Pretty placid decolonization and transition to sovereignty and independence, all things considered.
You can't have your cake and eat it....if you like the current British political mess and social unrest. Keep it.
Singapore has zero natural resources and it is one of the best run country.
You need a tough government and policies that Western world shun to make it works well for Singapore.
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking.
The British ruled Hong Kong very well, but rule their own country in mess, Hong Kong is evan more prosperous than Singapore during colonial period, Singapore had sent someone to learn from Hongkong
u dont actually need to carry a physical id card around, they use singpass which has all ur government virtual cards and its an acceptable form of identification
we already have id cards ( drivers Licenses) and now to vote in this country you have to show proof of id
What if you don't drive ?
Not everyone drives or travels abroad. As an ex forces veteran I have no problem with this, it's for security.
I can just correct you on one point. Public housing in Singapore is not the same as council housing. Public housing is run by HDB who is the freeholder. The apartments are sold to the public on the open market. The advantage is that housing remains affordable as cost of HDB apartments appreciate within an affordable range. 80 percent of housing in Singapore is Public housing. The remaining 20 percent are landed properties and condos.
Identify cards in Singapore don't have be he updated every 3 months. This would be too time consuming..
Congradulate of getting worst and worst Drug Situation... Capital punishment works.
Read Albert Pierrpoints autobiography, he hanged over 400 people, he said it doesn’t work.
Singapore is a beautiful country to live in. The law is reasonable and caning is only given to rapist, armed robbery etc and not to non serious crimes. Billionaires and millionaires try to get in to live in Singapore, that speaks louder than……. Your facts about Singapore are not all accurate.
I carry my car licence which is an id card.
We are okay it what about all these illegals, if we brought it in then at least we can know who they are
And what if you don't drive?
A bus pass can have you picture on which could be classed as ID
@@ElaineAgar-vo7ey ah. makes sense. but can an illegal immigrant apply for a bus pass?
@@WasLostButNowAmFound I'm pretty sure anyone can apply for a bus pass...
Singaporean do not update ID cards once they are issued to you unless you have to pay for a new ID when you lose them .
Excuse me, flogging was a legacy from the Brits back in the colonial days! For criminals, no pain, no lessons learnt!
Singapore has digital ID card now. No need to update every 3 months.
Singapore is the safest place I have have ever been. I remember when me and the girls were on a night out at Clark Quay and were shocked how we could leave our bags or purses unattended when if going for a dance or to the bar. Stunning place.
and its isn't because they have ID cards either and more to do with the insane criminal justice system
@@oldshiny3012 I never said it was. I said it was the safest place I have ever been to. And I know it is. People know the law there and respect it.
@@JasmineH88 i was just stating a fact
@@oldshiny3012 And so was I. Here in Spain people respect the police because they know they will get a crack if they don't. The UK has gone way too soft.
Police whip criminals, be careful in Singapore it’s not as nice as you think
nobody has ever gone to prison for not updating ID cards in Singapore LMAO
We have ID cards. Driving license, CSCS card etc.
Speaking from the former British colony under discussion, am confused about the national ID needing to be updated every three months. Where did that come from? Gone mine as a teenager. Got my updated one when I turned ... 50. Nothing in between.
No brits already have an ID card it's called a, national insurance card you get it at 16. That's your ID number. However, illegal immigrants foreign students legal immigrants they should get an ID card. Don't punish everyone else
But your NI number is not evidence of legitimate residence, which an ID card is (in most European countries). In fact it’s the population registration that’s important - the ID card is just evidence of it.
Old man ID card? Updated every 3months? From which cave? We now have digital ID. Includes driver licenses, medical records etc.
“Listen, Mate. I don’t have any mirrors in my house… for obvious reasons”.
We don't update our IDs every 3 months, it isn't even viable as the resources required would have been enormous. Singapore is known well for its efficiency, not the other way round.🤦♀️
Didn't we do this one?
Anderson EX MP this year talking more bollock s
Britain can also learn from El Salvador?? Nudge nudge wink wink…
Yes, I wouldn't say El Salvador is as good as Singars, but it has been transformed from a crime infested hell hole to a civilised country that tourists might want to visit in only a few years.
Never know UK is a 3rd world country . Who need to carry a ID card when singaporean can use mobile apps to show their ID . Surprised to see them not so digitally updated yet. Lol
Be like Singapore um no go to Singapore speak to there everyday people, the reason crime low is they have extremely restrict rules a.k.a selected migration.
The totalitarianism of Singapore isn't the answer to Britain's problems!
Bring in ID cards, we need them more than ever now!
Haha, I dont think they understand how Singapore works at all. But it is okay. Each country will find and have its own way. Whatever works for that society. It is not just about ID card.
"PAPERS!PAPERS! SHNELL!"
as people have said - you've already got a drivers ID and most have passports - why is this such a big deal? You understand why they other 2 exist, why should 1 more be a problem for things like healthcare, benefits and voting? Each of those are subjected to MASSIVE fraud.
@@rafezetter8003 and this wouldn't be. your kidding yourself if you think it wouldn't be open to fraud especially with our civil service who can't track the people they let in already
You've watched too many war films !!
@@AaRr-bn3xx
They've just taken ullsssterrr and the ucraine🤨
@@richardgallagher4880 Who ?
you want to own a car in singapore you better have a cool 100, 000K in your back pocket to be able to drive it for ten yrs , then you got to pay again . sometimes its less sometimes its more
No but I do think all non-uk entries should be DNA'd,biometrically put on a database
30p not long now before you loose your seat good luck getting another job.
We have - it's the National Insurance number......................
There are ID cards and there are ID cards.. An ID card needs to contain nothing more than a photograph, date of birth, NI number and NHS number.
I brought my ID card out from my house not more then 10 times since 2017 (for commecial's application). We hv digital ID card (Singpass) on our phone.
Britain can learn a lot FROM RUSSIA….?? Protect our boarders at all cost….
Cable the fool who privatised Royal mail ..
No to national ID for obvious reasons.
There are many countries in the world where an ID card is a simple requirement. And fine in my opinion.
Didn't you think eukrain pledging allegiance to the Euu was a good idea?
@@richardgallagher4880 What does the question have to do with ID cards?
@janpetersen7440
It has everything to with your ridiculous opinion.
@@janpetersen7440 It's got nothing to do with ID cards, it's just 'Richard' being his/her usual self. No matter the topic he/she will usually somehow manage mention Ukraine, the EU, a spring offensive, remainers and 'n azzis'...
@@severanze9065 Okay just one of the net trolls.
Authority can be a facilitator of liberty... No one is free when there are people roaming about with machetes... ID cards are Great... We have them in France, a free Western country and there is no problem with them whatsoever... As Vince says... We've all watched too many Second World war films !!
😂😂😂😂
You have them in gerrrmany.
Did you miss the rykke take over your land🙄
@@richardgallagher4880 Sorry, I obviously don't have your sense of humour...
WEFminster can go EFF itself.. They get nothing because they are nothing.. Respect is earned not bought
Lee looks like an addict at a wedding…
Independence in the 60s was a problem when allowed to leave they aligned with Malaysia that seemed as a why off aligning with their roots. after finding out the truth. they became legitimate straight on their own
Now I have slightly British values And have all of the best of everything else Apart from having complete political power
you dont need an ID card all new passport and driving licences you need a finger print after 18 you need to get your finger print scanned in about 10 years time the police can scan your finger prints and if your not registered your taken to the station as for visiting people at the boarder you get you print scanned which takes about 1 minute.they will never do this because they like low paying wages.
Pakistanis etc know how to get British passports and our NI numbers illegally ,ID cards will not be any different.
You could do ID checks much easier than that using compulsory iris scans or fingerprinting everyone linked to a database that all police and civil authorities could use. With the caveat that it would only be used to stop and deter illegality.
It goes against my freedom principles but as Lee Anderson said, we live in different times at the moment.
NEVER!!
Sure SG seems great but there is NO FREE SPEECH. A SLAVE
Where did you get your sources from? Singapore has free speech! It just don't tolerate lies, slanders, misinformation, etc. What we want is responsible speech! A concept which often get misunderstood to be lack of free speech.
If it means the British government can no longer lock me out of foreign crypto exchanges, to prevent me from trading, then I'm all for it.
These days, if you don't have a passport or a driving license as photo ID, you basically don't exist to companies as soon as they've been contacted by our government.
I have a few grand on one exchange that I can't touch without photo ID.
I was learning a lot until they stuck their oar in.
Who is who..
4:40 🤣😂 - we will NEVER acknowledge cheap labour builds strong economies cuz history
Go away 30p Lee. 😂😂😂
Always remember this presenter Brough them all in.
Singapore learned from Hong Kong originally, the British colonial officers issued ID card for every Hongkong citizens in 1949, Hong Kong always have low tax and low benefits during colonial period, it attracted lots of foreign investments and everyone is hardworking.
Singapore had sent someone to learn a lot from Hongkong during colonial period
Nope. Both Singapore and Hong Kong inherit the same system from British.
Singapore kept the same system and improve on it. Hong Kong change some of this system to adapt to China. The UK abolish the system.
@@Salasaur no, British ruled Singapore until 1956, but ruled Hong Kong until 1997.
Hongkong was always prosperous and richer than Singapore after WW2 from 1945-1997, Singapore has sent people to learn from Hongkong after independence
@@yipzoe3865 Nope. In Singapore, the Identification papers were introduced in 1938 when registration of births and deaths became compulsory under the 1937 Registration of Births and Deaths Ordinance. The 1948 Emergency Regulations (Registration) legislation that made it compulsory for all persons above 12 years old in the colony to be registered and issued with identity cards as a deterrent against communist infiltration.
Hong Kong introduced the identity card in 1949 to strengthen its sovereignty and quell immigration from mainland China.
Singapore gained independence on 9 of August 1965, and reintroduce the National Registration Act on 9 May 1966, except this time as a sovereign state and not just a colony.
Don't really need to "learn" from Hong Kong which was still a British colony under the same system.
@@Salasaur Singapore left the British empire and united with Malaysia in 1963, then kicked out by Malaysia in 1965.
Singapore had sent people to learn the public house, Independent Commission Against Corruption and some other stuffs from Hong Kong during colonial period.
British colonial officers ruled Hong Kong very well, we are overall satisfied with their rule
They are not good at karaoke with a name like that.... Sing a poor.
singapore is wealthy because of its location
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British was wealthy because of their arrogancy
Singapore is wealthy because they invest in things that benefits the nations and provide returns unlike other countries
in the 1960s we were in the same location..... were not poor....but dirt poor!! So it is not 100 percent location.
@@korkor279 yea it is do some research....
I lived in Singapore… it’s a totalitarian state. Vile place where the Singaporeans have no freedom.
closer you look the worse it becomes
Thank you for your compliment.
If Singapore is totalitarian state than what is north Korea? Majority of people around the world even freedom loving ppl would happily like to live in Singapore
a person who claim to lived in Singapore and claims we Singaporeans have no freedom gave me a good laugh. i rather have what you claim as no freedom than the state of Europe right now. Im Singaporean.
It's time for you to leave Singapore. 😂
I was an expat in Singapore, you need there visa system, your 20 years behind me.
Chloe dobbs is a fine looking lassie and very articulate aswell..