State of the Hobby w/ Burbank Cards, GotBaseballCards, OTIA & Sports Card Live (Best of the Virtual)
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2023
- Today we talk the state of the Hobby with Burbank Cards, GotBaseballCards, OTIA & Sports Card Live (Best of the Virtual)
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I loved Rob's comment about breakers. That is why I don't buy packs. I buy singles and lots. Those who open up packs 15, 20, 25 years old, rarely get hits of good players. Most names are so obscure no one remembers them. Love the contect!
I agree with staying out of breaks. Not a fan of it. I enjoy watching people opening personal rips. I myself am a Rookie collector and sell everything else to keep the hobby flow going.
All it takes is a losing streak I had a serious losing streak in November that turned me completely off of getting in breaks
@@cookiemang4128its just bad odds gambling
I started out participating in breaks because of the lower buy-in to a selection of boxes for a relatively low cost and to experience the "opening" even though I wasn't directly opening the boxes/packs. However, my 1st experience was a positive one, which is the worst thing that could have happened since I continued to participate in breaks to my detriment.
I have since transitioned away from breaks and currently only buy singles or my own boxes. The best "return" for my "investment" has been singles. Opening wax, while fun to go through the "chase", more often times than not, you do not get a good ROI.
As I continued to experience the hobby, the more I started to realize that breakers are really nothing more than good "salesmen". You have to sell the fact to the participant, that if they hit a card, that they hit a "good" one, even though some of us more experienced in the hobby, know that it is a complete load of crap. While extremely profitable for the breaker (don't lie breakers, it is), it leaves a majority with such a bitter taste in their mouths that it would not be a surprise if they quit the hobby because of it. That's definitely no way to 10x the hobby. You may get 10x unique people coming into the hobby, but if 8 out of 10 of them turn around and leave because of bad experiences, that's not real growth. Fanatics needs to figure out how to be more creative with their product if they want to hit their goals, and they need to find some middle ground of "cool cards" if they want to keep those that can't afford Flawless, NT, Immaculate, etc. in the hobby.
If it wasn’t for you the hobby wouldn’t be as knowledgeable as it is so thank you 🙏🏼 you are what the hobby needs 😎
So many bag holders in this hobby. Even Pacman was sad in his last video going over how much his cards used to be.
It was a no brainer after the pandemic a lot of people would move on, stop buying, and cards would go down a lot. Most will keep going down for years.
Just non-vintage @@sarahandbrettSCAM
Great video, Geoff!! Rob is the 🐐 and I 100% agree with him, as a collector since '85.
Jeremy is also a 🐐 IMO.
Have the pleasure of following all of you guys since it all started for you on YT. Thanks to all of you for the hard work and amazing content.
As a hockey player, coach & card collector, I ask for more hockey content, please 💪😀
I would be stunned if ISA is actually grading 1000-1500 cards per day. No way that company is grading 20,000 plus cards a month. In the past 5 years I have only run across their slabs a handful of times.
Yea and that Jason guy is a known card trimmer so you know he's up to something shady.
Guys we need more hockey! NHL is passing MLB in viewership, I wish that was represented in how much you spotlight hockey cards.
Is Card HQ going to bring a Burbank type card show to Atlanta/the Southeast?
Cockeyed 👀 Bobby over in Burbank knows what's good.. it's all about repeat hitters 🚬. The numbers don't lie...
I got a lamello rookie mosaic choice psa 10 for $35 at a card show last weekend nice to bye at lower prices for the PC
Awesome selection of guests!
What is their gem rate??? Since then pre screen.... does anyone know?
They don’t call him the Cardfather for nothing. He is the goat
I like Rob of Burbank’s take.
He’s looking at the bigger picture. And his take on every “impression” your card shop has on your guest will dictate the long term viability of your shop…. And every other shop in town and the hobby.
We all have a chain of impressions we send throughout the hobby. Word of mouth and relationships are everything in the hobby.
Find a way to leave a great impression on your customers and you’ll be good.
If breaking is 50% or more of your entire business. Be worried. Your days are numbered.
Breaking IS gambling and we all know what that means. 80% of people will have a bad impression, 20% will have a decent to great impression.
Card companies know this and continue to water down their products to manufacture “more” hits.
But what kind of actual impression does it leave on our customers when the case hit….. is a sticker auto with a fake jersey patch?
Everyone in the hobby gets hurt slowly.
Step back and put ourselves in the shoes of the customer.
Also, the take on the QB market.
It’s definitely education time.
We just had like 7 amazing QB prospects in the last few years and 6 of them will lose 90% of their value, and 1 guy might leave an impression on the sport for an era. And mostly likely won’t be a goat even if they get lucky and actually win 2-3 rings.
Y’all are paying goat prices for kids who haven’t even got a chip.
That’s just not “investing”.
It’s just basic common sense when you can see the big picture. That’s why this game of hot potato gambling era will crash the hobby if we don’t actually build value in other areas of the hobby that’s sustainable.
It seems like there’s more flippers than collectors and that will crash the market.
Cringe to hear major card influencers say they only hold cards for “48 hours”. Those are culture vultures and that’s the type of people that only siphon value out of the hobby.
Dropping some serious wisdom in this comment. Absolutely spot on. Well said!
Great interviews. All best for New Year
Hit the nail on the head! Why the price of sealed wax still so jacked up?! That MSRP means nothing, and a few large players (working together?) set these outrageous prices only to keep “marking them down” as time goes on. Is very thing a “reverse auction” now?
Can’t wait for February Ontario California Card Show
Rob a gentleman and Kinds great with People’s ❤🎉
As a collector of over 40 years, I’ve never seen the hobby as flooded with new material. I always advise younger collectors to go vintage. Every card show I go to is just flooded with dozens of variants of every player. It’s unappealing and I’d think devalues the product.
I wouldn’t blame the variant as an issue.. that allows people to get whatever look the want. I think it is a good thing for people.
In terms of vintage, yes it is “safer” but what if my favorite vintage player has a bad photo of his only “rookie” card?
For example, I might love a player but his only “RC” is of him and some other no name player in a double image card.
It hurts for me to see that, even though that becomes part of the “history” of that card.
@@grindstone11 i politely disagree. the variants dilute the product... very much by definition. similarly, it lessens the importance of any singular card. that's not to say there aren't good cards or good variants it just dilutes the product. hard to have several "iconic" rookies or important cards of star players. what's luka's definitive rookie? mahomes? etc. to have multiple, actually literally dozens seems a bit off for an older collector. the imperfect pictures of rookie cards of days past is part of it. they become iconic because of the limited variety. you embrace them because you love the player.
I jjst got back into the hobby. I used to collect heavy when I was younger. Always have and always will buy the vintage stuff pre 80’s baseball and I also like Basketball but generally don’t touch anything within 30 years
i'm the same way - except I made small exceptions for Luka and Curry... that's it. @@AProfilename
@@markgrace-dn5ee 👏🏽 I can respect that bro! They are both future HOF
jeremy lee is a class act and true canadian hobby champion.
Went back to buying only for my PC
158th!
This was a great video, with great guests. Great video
Best thing ever
Great show. Jeremy is my boy
Honorable mention 😂
Love seeing the guys from GotBaseballCards who lost a $500 shipment of topps pristine that I bought from them last year but never refunded me!
Nice content
Geoff are you going to the crown plaza show in Rhode Island
Sounds like OTIA is talking about my Jarden cards when he talks about dropping from 10k to close to nothing
cool ba dool snool
good
Just here for the first 10 comments 😂
It's so bad you didn't even do Top 5 this week!
Boom
The hobby will only improve and get to what it needs to and has to once fanatics/topps finishes these court decisions and takes over the license, or the courts decide that everyone gets a license. On top of that cheaper starting prices for shops and end consumers is realistic and reasonable and affordable. When scammers and retail flippers are gone. When breakers don’t charge ridiculous prices for divisions or teams. When grading levels get back to $10 per card or less. When more shops have direct access to topps instead of having to go through distributors. When stores constantly stay stocked on product and don’t let their employees and stocking companies have delays or withhold items in the back. When the leagues and the athletes care more about the hobby to finish fulfilling auto obligations
If I win, can i get a raw Wemby RC instead? 😂😂😂
Best economy in all of history
Except not really tho
@@bradcrowe668stock market at all time highs📈🤑
Third
I dumped a ton of modern football .in the summer of 2023...
andrew luck... rough
Top 5 commenters are 20mins into the video, have refreshed their screen 8x and still haven’t a clue what Jeff is doing in Burbank or something and who’s he talking to 😂
Fourth lol
Jeoff, did I miss the Give aways?
Second comment
First
People buying up boxes just to hold on to them is making it unaffordable
State of the hobby from the clueless
Do you realize how many Years of experience are in this video or do you just openly disregard facts?
@@grindstone11 Do you realize how over 68% of sports card businesses started between 2019-2022 have failed in bankruptcy. And that Burbank Cards had been long established in the normal ebb and flow of the hobby, when it had zero hype. Overleveraged/Big investments made in 2021-2022, has engulfed the hobby. There is no golden outlook.
Rob, Breaking is the future of cards. Rob’s example of 85 people is foolish. He is comparing buying over priced singles at a LCS to buying over priced sealed wax. The difference is the upside and that’s why they pay over and over.
I like Joe’s sub service. Might have to check this out. Will SCI still use Joe’s for subbing in the future. I have to say it’s weird to open a store so close together
Thanks for watching! Yes, we will continue to work with SCI to assist their submitters with grading submissions.
@@ozsportscardcollector2.512 that’s bull poop. Is everyone drinking an alcoholic? Is every card collector a gambler?
IMO the younger generation can’t take responsibility for their actions so they make up for excuses
@@ozsportscardcollector2.512 thank you for agreeing with me.
Yes, like alcohol and gambling we need REGULATION either self or govt.
I’d be happy to talk live about this too. I am a father and a gambler. I have said for YEARS the hobby is NOT for kids and hasn’t been since they added chase cards. If the hobby was for kids, then print like they did in the 80s. All the same damn cards. But the truth is the hobby is 99% gambling or people taking advantage of gambling UNRELATED
My point above is Rob is clueless on breaking. I chatted with him on IG live and had agree if breaker paid out cash for hits “it would be ok”. IMO Rob runs a pawnshop that prays on people that need to sell for cash.
My other point is fanatics is not growing the hobby with Burbank. They can sell a whole lot more to the right breakers. Hence breaking is the future and YES it’s as dangerous as alcoholism, but not ALL are bad.
FYI. They are building sports programs in colleges and professional on the foundation of gambling.
Yes we need a conversation.
I apologize if I was too rude in my reply. I am passionate about those topic.
Happy new year.
ISA has the best slab in the industry. I won't grade with any other company.
You're straight lying 😂 they copied sgc and psa which is pathetic. ISA is nothing more than junk knockoff but keep pushing them...i hope they're paying you well!
@@robglobal1 if they were junk knockoff then why would Geoff Wilson endorse them on his channel? Their grading is much tougher than PSA but you wouldn't understand that because you have convoluted ideas as to what the "standard" is. They don't pay me a dime although I wish they would.
its a junk company run by a known card trimmer. Cards are worth more raw you're a fool.
@mikeywestside8509 I hope you're not serious lol. Be well I can't waste my time entertaining nonsense. I feel bad for you if you're making judgements based off what an extreme casual is saying just caus he has videos on CZcams. My 19 yr old godson has more knowledge of the sports cards industry than Geof does and I'm not hating I like him but have to be honest he is the last person you should be taking advice from. Stick to PSA BGS and SGC and don't waste money on this garbage knockoff company you will appreciate this advice in the future
clown show and main clowns in the hobby carp
State of the hobby is poor and will get far worse in 2024!