Black Conversations S2 Ep1 Black Spirituality 1

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  • @khutsomakgamatho4930
    @khutsomakgamatho4930 Před 3 měsíci +16

    John 14:6 Jesus answered "I am the way, the truth and life. No one comes through the Father, except through me"

  • @williamtsoai6664
    @williamtsoai6664 Před rokem +41

    Just so we are well informed my fellow people, if I may say - My / our GOD is a jealous GOD. He forbids us from worshiping other god(s). Do read the book of Deuteronomy 18.9-14, Ecclesiastes 9.5-6...etc. Be very careful of what you consume lately, for these are the-end-of-days 2 Corinthians 11.13-14, 1 John 3.18-23, 1 John 4.1-6. ATTENTION. ATTENTION!! Run for your lives. (PRAYER) May the LORD bless you and keep you; May the LORD make his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you; May the LORD lift up HIS countenance upon you, and give you peace, today, tomorrow and forever. Amen.( Numbers 7.24-26)🙏

  • @sebentilezanini1085
    @sebentilezanini1085 Před měsícem +9

    I come from a powerful family that perform rituals.....but none of my ancestors ever did anything for me MORE than Jesus. They didnt die for me on the cross...and He didn't ask me to slaughter a cow He simply said He loves me and by Grace I am justified. Its been over 20yrs....Ilove my family but there arecertain rituals I do not take part in deliberately....and no bad luck followsme as a result. I honoured my parents till they passed on and they understood my stance.

    • @sunnysgreyarea2522
      @sunnysgreyarea2522 Před 25 dny

      They didn’t die on a cross for you? 😮… maybe because your ancestors died on the boat for you! Maybe because they died in the tree for you! Maybe cause they died in the field for you! Maybe cause they died in the streets fighting for your rights. You ungrateful 🤬! … colonialism is real and you are proof of it

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      Amen👏🤍

    • @sunnysgreyarea2522
      @sunnysgreyarea2522 Před 23 dny

      @@Rowlene.so you you agree with this? Our ancestors didn’t die on a cross for us because they were to busy dying on the boats for us. In the trees for us. In the fields for us. In the streets fighting for our rights. How disrespectful to undermine n minimalize the many many lives our ancestors sacrificed for us. Shame on both of you. And shame on this channel for deleting my comment as if me reminding you all of the many sacrifices from our ancestors is an issue. Wonder why. Tisk Tisk

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      @@sunnysgreyarea2522 Haibo? Shame on who? Me? This is MY LIFE❤️And I'll damn choose in what I believe in. If I don't want to damn associate myself with amadlozi then so be it. My life is so damn good without them.

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      @@sunnysgreyarea2522 Carry on believing in amadlozi wakho bhuti/sisi❤️ we're not against them,asinandaba futhi. Wena just do you and thina we'll do us...SIMPLE AS THAT. You here saying "Shame on me" because I commented saying "Amen" aii you have a problem nyani shem

  • @nomondejames6057
    @nomondejames6057 Před 10 měsíci +20

    Ok, someone please show me biblical scripture where God told people to call on Abraham and Jacob toe. Because what I understand is that we call on the God of Abraham and Jacob. We ask the creator and not the created. We say God of Abraham and Jacob as reference to the one true God and not other deities such as Baal.

  • @vicky-yx4dy
    @vicky-yx4dy Před 3 měsíci +6

    Maphonga is very eloquent...very eloquent and because we are lazy to read, we think eloquence is truth, we cannot catch up on the lies and basically ignorance of his statements.... he doesnt know as much as he claims to know and he is a clown above all else

    • @mulalor318
      @mulalor318 Před 2 měsíci

      Spot on, they should ask him if he went to Psychiatric ward for the 33 years he spent preaching the bible gospel. In so many times people exudes hermeneutic, exegetical and elequence as intelligence. is the same people that thinks accent and unfamiliar terms(big words are a major of intelligence). Maponga prey on a lot of us similiar way with the so called false prophets because they study the psych of people and capitalise on it

  • @thedukeofnkulumane7440
    @thedukeofnkulumane7440 Před 10 měsíci +33

    Europeans are enjoying when they watch how confused we are as a continent

  • @OnlyOneMellie
    @OnlyOneMellie Před 8 měsíci +12

    Our forefathers are not who we call. We don't look to the generations that went before us. We call on the God they experienced. That's the purpose of referring to, for example, the God of Abraham

  • @ZeenithMoola-nl9hg
    @ZeenithMoola-nl9hg Před 8 měsíci +12

    Whatever happened to respect each other's beliefs. No faith is better than the other. Respect and tolerance of each other's differences and Humility is an attribute needed to guide people.

  • @simbarashemusvipwa8416
    @simbarashemusvipwa8416 Před rokem +29

    A pastor who seeks power elsewhere is not a Pastor period

  • @annamsimango2367
    @annamsimango2367 Před 27 dny +4

    Maponga is toxic,he doesn't respect people

  • @OnlyOneMellie
    @OnlyOneMellie Před 8 měsíci +19

    So basically, Maponga forces people to believe what he believes in. He believes he's the know and end-all of spiritual knowledge and yet he misses a lot of truths. He has learnt to sound learned but there's nothing from him on revelation.

  • @mbalimadonsela6901
    @mbalimadonsela6901 Před rokem +49

    One must know that it is suicidal to be in a debate/ conversation with Maponga😂 that guy has an answer for everything

    • @hope_mj
      @hope_mj Před 11 měsíci +18

      Yet he misses the truth everytime

    • @kamvamgwaza7142
      @kamvamgwaza7142 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@hope_mjwhat is your truth?

    • @dimphomokhoantle
      @dimphomokhoantle Před 8 měsíci +6

      Not really hey, I used to think like you. But he is not all that.

    • @user-fy3cp7my2n
      @user-fy3cp7my2n Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@hope_mjwhich truth my good sir?😊

    • @siyabongaoriginmbele7993
      @siyabongaoriginmbele7993 Před 3 měsíci

      He made Christians hate him by truth that they can't question

  • @mapule2780
    @mapule2780 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Just because you're doing something now, doesn’t mean it will be perfect 100 years later. Same applies to what our ancestors did 100 years ago. They did what they did given their circumstances at that time. Death does not perfect their deeds

  • @NtsentsengDintso-ox6uu
    @NtsentsengDintso-ox6uu Před 5 měsíci

    😂it's hitting up here, I love it

  • @atinimyataza1961
    @atinimyataza1961 Před 11 měsíci +13

    The Bishop is indeed over these people in terms of intellect ... these are just nuggets to him, they don't have facts at all

  • @kamvamgwaza7142
    @kamvamgwaza7142 Před 10 měsíci +14

    People from the previous episode to this can only complain about Maponga's arrogants because they cannot withstand facts and thats his only weakness. He was spot on the entire time.

  • @princezitha9161
    @princezitha9161 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The Mind is God. Whatever you put in your mind, and believe it's true... especially things that make sense sticks in the mind. Be careful of what you put in your mind, your mind will have an opinion later. Christianity and African Spirituality exist because we want them, we can also make them not exist if a new Wisdow arises. I know it's hard to believe that, the mind is sensitive to repetition, implementation, and traumatic experience. There's nothing wrong with believing in your God, Jesus, and your Ancestors if it keeps you sane when you die...nothing will matter anyway

  • @faithing88
    @faithing88 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Maponga is running mad, he doesn't look sane.
    The lady in orange YES you are not christian if you Mix God. God is ALL powerful by Himself. If you don't like that well that's OK, but it doesn't change the TRUTH,

  • @owaminkwanyana9398
    @owaminkwanyana9398 Před rokem +19

    😭The guy in black is the most delusional. All my days!

  • @ZOE_NtombiYaseManwabeni
    @ZOE_NtombiYaseManwabeni Před 7 měsíci +2

    I got over the question; Why are you not a christian? And why I believe in Idlozi?
    This question often comes from a place of ignorance, arrogance and superiority.
    If I say African spirituality over everything and one doesn't agree to it, that's fine, that's you. However, uMvelinqangi ngyawazi and I honour too. I also value the value of Idlozi lami. So no, I am not a christian, but it doesn't mean I don't believe in God. If you are a christian i honour your belief, im not bothered by it futhi. ❤

  • @NaledzaniTshifhesi-hm9fy
    @NaledzaniTshifhesi-hm9fy Před 8 měsíci +17

    Maponga is far from these people. 😂.

  • @hope_mj
    @hope_mj Před 11 měsíci +18

    How does Maphonga think we're getting to heaven?
    'Ancestors' can't save you on Judgement Day

    • @kamvamgwaza7142
      @kamvamgwaza7142 Před 10 měsíci +8

      Heaven does not exist.

    • @NdumisoKhumalo-pc3ue
      @NdumisoKhumalo-pc3ue Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@kamvamgwaza7142 so do you

    • @tshegokgolane4610
      @tshegokgolane4610 Před 9 měsíci +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @nuttyziyanda3333
      @nuttyziyanda3333 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @hope who told you there is heaven? And dis they prove that to you

    • @hope_mj
      @hope_mj Před 7 měsíci

      @@nuttyziyanda3333 who told you there isn't a heaven? Did they prove that to you?

  • @tumelokoboekae611
    @tumelokoboekae611 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Jackie Phamotse was the worst prepared and I read her book interesting yet I feel most guests in this episode were ill prepared for Maponga As he debated in good will and not getting emotionally charged and we are here trying to get the best representatives of the subject but it felt more like a battle of egos the presenter should have controlled the flow of conversation more focusing on facts knowledge ideas rather than watching adults insulting each other but it was a good watch

  • @monde5920
    @monde5920 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I just would like to know who ever said we can not believe in both? or one is greater than the other.

  • @uglyhomies8276
    @uglyhomies8276 Před 6 měsíci +4

    They shouldn't have brought in Mapnga, he is way far ahead from them

  • @bonganitshabalala252
    @bonganitshabalala252 Před měsícem

    the problem about us the African generation of today is that we are exposed to a lot of knowledge and we turn to focus on the knowledge that benefit us only and we forget that we as we are alive now we are a connection between the past and the future so our knowledge as Africans our four fathers had we need to pass it to the next generation, and other races understands this very well hance we practice their beliefs but not ours

  • @mphora2002
    @mphora2002 Před 3 měsíci

    Pastoring is a gift. Enhancements are driven by financial end goals. Stop undermining the creator's gifts.

  • @namiesnature
    @namiesnature Před 8 měsíci

    Please upload the most recent one

  • @siyabongamjwara2982
    @siyabongamjwara2982 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I've only gotten half way through this discussion. And I can say that there is a lot of misinformation going on here. And an individual who isn't able to discern this information.
    Leviticus 19:31 which states "" Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God"" this is clearly showing that humans aren't meant to pray through traditional healers or any other mediums like star signs or tarrot cards.
    When people speak about Abraham, Issac and Jacob,
    These were 3 men who God promised the land of milk and honey, for them and their families for generations to come. When people pray and mention those names, it reminds god of the promise which he had made to those 3 men because they had unbelieveable faith in God. And if you have the same amount of faith, God will give to you what you ask for. This isn't praying to an ancestor as much as people believe. Remember your heritage and where you come from yes, but always remember that God created the earth and the people who have dominion over it.
    The act of slaughtering is something which was practiced in the old testament. And it was done to please God. Now God doesn't believe in those acts, because all he wants is for people to have faith in him. You don't have to slaughter or do any other worldly acts to prove that you have faith in God. For he looks at our heart, not our works.
    I pray that people are able to see how such small details can cause confusion on these things.

    • @siyabongamjwara2982
      @siyabongamjwara2982 Před 8 měsíci +2

      The reason why God put Jesus on the earth, was because the world was filled with sin after Adam ate the apple. Jesus Firstly was a physical manifestation of God, who came into the earth with blood that isn't filled with sin. And his act of dying on the cross, was to take the sins of the people of the earth.

    • @ceciliachibwe3788
      @ceciliachibwe3788 Před 13 dny

      well spoken.no wonder people are getting lost because of missing the truth from the bible.

  • @thamizwide508
    @thamizwide508 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Mamponga Is A Goat 🐐 🤣🤣🤣🤣These People

  • @compton8301
    @compton8301 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Jackie is confused.

  • @lindelwazondi2196
    @lindelwazondi2196 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Guys uban lo man in black refusing to call baba maponga a bishop... I am shook❤

    • @masontahantoi5630
      @masontahantoi5630 Před 7 měsíci

      I would also refuse..ke bishop holona...he's too arrogant for that tittle...he undermines people

  • @sincedilexaba8746
    @sincedilexaba8746 Před 8 měsíci +3

    U can never mix God wix madloti it never happens...people should stop wanting to shove down our throats their beliefs and let us be.i for one has no problem with those who believe in madloti and all i only believe that nothing beats the blood of Jesus amd only wish for all to repent as we all sinners all this dramaa and conversations i feel they are not really that important.we come from different backgrounds and you cant force me to believe what u believe in just because u feel u know better, thats totally wrong ingat yenkhukhu nje mine ayingsebentel only the blood of Jesus nkosyam and please tell me why i should believe in all madloti things loku ekhaya nje azange sesikwente azange nabogogo bakwente nabokhokho bebangakwenti and we are just ok

  • @phathutshedzoramunana7500
    @phathutshedzoramunana7500 Před 6 měsíci

    This podcast is so heavy.

  • @loveyourinnerself
    @loveyourinnerself Před 11 měsíci +7

    That whole 30 minutes that is muted🥴🤧

  • @helmutnamwandi6815
    @helmutnamwandi6815 Před 6 měsíci

    The problem with us black people is that we identify ourselves with a religion (Christianity), which shouldn't be the case. You should identify yourself with your race!

  • @bomssa88
    @bomssa88 Před 7 měsíci +1

    It sad that Christianity is not well represented in this conversation...

  • @user-gc4ul4hz9r
    @user-gc4ul4hz9r Před 2 měsíci

    So the God who spoke a word for the Earth to be formed...o rwetse???

  • @kagisonongngoepe6297
    @kagisonongngoepe6297 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Sekgowa guys🤦‍♂️..THE ENGLISH
    Maponga o chabile ka Jackie. Figures of speech

  • @thabangtsosane5806
    @thabangtsosane5806 Před 11 měsíci +13

    Christians can be stupid 😮

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      Uyahlanya wena,you're the one stupid.

  • @thembachaza7718
    @thembachaza7718 Před 9 měsíci

    i understand lights camera action is an interesting space and people like to be heard and be seen to be opinionative wityy and all but that last statement about God and sacrificing blood is just regrettable ......

  • @masibongesibiya6315
    @masibongesibiya6315 Před 6 měsíci

    The comments 😅

  • @micPrinc3
    @micPrinc3 Před měsícem

    The guy in black is wack , I wish they brought more inclined people in this debate because it feels like maponga is the only academic here so evidently he is bored being in this debate . I’m bored by the guy in black he is loud for nothing

  • @ishmaelhloni6946
    @ishmaelhloni6946 Před 7 měsíci

    It's so sad that to see this foreign journalist leaves his country and causes confusion to himself and our country. Funny on how he is full of opinions in a foreign country meanwhile he left his country without comments.

  • @innocentkunene9683
    @innocentkunene9683 Před 8 dny

    No audio this side 😢

  • @lindelwazondi2196
    @lindelwazondi2196 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Guys uban lo man in black refusing to call baba maponga a bishop... I am shook

  • @President.mabuza
    @President.mabuza Před 3 měsíci

    Lebo uct

  • @strictlyzimbabwean
    @strictlyzimbabwean Před 5 měsíci

    Next time please don’t put Maponga with people who don’t match his intelligence. It was supposed to be the 4 of them

  • @tebogomalele2953
    @tebogomalele2953 Před 6 dny +1

    Maponga is a genius

  • @busangphalama8686
    @busangphalama8686 Před 2 měsíci

    Ntate Maponga 👏

  • @rajirodiyat4670
    @rajirodiyat4670 Před 6 měsíci

    The two people who has come to represent the Christian are naive .sincerely.....I think you really have to know the indepth of so.ething before you start condemning it

  • @Bheki1wp
    @Bheki1wp Před 8 měsíci +4

    I have never seen a confused person like Maponga.
    He argues that he is a “Bishop” and he earned that title.
    This is what a Bishop is according to the scripture; AN OVERSEER
    And these are the qualification of a Bishop👇🏽
    “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”
    ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
    Seeing that a Bishop title is in Christianity and not in African spirituality, how then does he fight for a Christian title whilst denouncing it?
    It’s like someone who says i do not eat meat but i can only drink the soup from the meat. This is a sign of mental agitation. Maponga must know that he can not have it both ways.
    And lastly by saying Christianity was in Europe before Africa is ignorance of highest degree. Christianity was in Ethiopia first before going to Europe.

    • @bigbrasi4132
      @bigbrasi4132 Před 8 měsíci +1

      He no longer refers to himself as bishop but academically he is.

    • @Bheki1wp
      @Bheki1wp Před 8 měsíci

      @@bigbrasi4132 Read the scripture brother, a Bishop is not an academical achievement but the key scriptural requirement for a Bishop is, 1)they MUST be a convert, that is they MUST be born again
      2)They must be able to teach the doctrine of Christ which apostle Paul preached
      ❇️Hence by these two factors above, Maponga was never a bishop in the body of Christ❌
      He might have been a “bishop” in a religion where the gospel of Christ is not known nor preached.

  • @user-xo9hk2gm6z
    @user-xo9hk2gm6z Před 2 měsíci

    The guy in black is very confused, he is speaking crap

  • @MDubz1856
    @MDubz1856 Před měsícem

    Next time you engage with people who have knowledge that has facts and intellectual understanding

  • @leratocharity9248
    @leratocharity9248 Před rokem +9

    The guy in black is lost .

  • @LehlogonoloChuene
    @LehlogonoloChuene Před 9 měsíci +3

    Maponga is the liberation blacks need....Lol not even gonna argue with any brain washed being. Danko

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      Who's the brain washed being? Excuse you?

    • @Rowlene.
      @Rowlene. Před 23 dny

      Let's respect each other's beliefs by all means please❤.

  • @trishgore9668
    @trishgore9668 Před 11 měsíci +2

    He called Jesus a deity?