6 Gamers, 1 GPU? VMWare Makes It Possible!
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Code 43 = Pay NVIDIA more money
Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
VMWare, simple defeat, hypervisor.cpuid.v0 = FALSE
@@sumless This can have pretty significant drawbacks in terms of performance, at least for windows in the VM.
lol thats not the case anymore fortunately
code 43 = buy amd instead
That setup's a thing of beauty, thanks Wendell
Linus: 7 gamers 1 (2) cpu
Wendell: Hold my beer
/s
this dude is insane ... ly smart and geeky
Citrix Engineer here, I wish I had a Tesla card to play with lol.
Random gamer here. Wish i had a Tesla card to play with. 😊
Citrix user here! Do you know how to get Edge to detect receiver / workspace properly ?
@@jonesconrad1 nope, I dont support edge, it has too many issues. Use chrome or Firefox.
@@Chris_Cable no worries thanks
Isn't it as simple as hitting the Skip to logon button? @@jonesconrad1
You love doing this, and we love seeing it :D
Now let's work on this sriov driver, so we get consumer gpu support ;]
I really like your channel. I just had my home server crash (yes, it's backed up), and I have kids wanting me to upgrade the older family gaming machine. I've been using Xen at work, and everybody got on a big AWS train, and I think we're spening too much money on it. We're looking at Proxmox, and due to my home server going out, I figured that it might be best to make a Proxmox machine with a Windows gaming VM with a dedicated RTX card, and then my Linux VMs and containers for work and home automation, etc. I like the idea of a data center GPU because I could share it between the VMs. I don't know if I'll go that route at first, but I'll be watching your channel to find a good data center (or at least a sharable) GPU.
Hey Wendal. Thanks for the info. Some new things to try out in my own lab, when I can find the time.
Can you make a blog or video post on how you got it working ?
I want to try it on a similar type of potato rig using my friends sick new hardware!
@DayzMennis multi user 1 gpu and multi user 1 cpu are completely different. Things like limetech unraid shit cant do vGPU.
Great video! I have 2 gaming VMs on VMware and use them exclusively for gaming with either the nvidia shield, or steam streaming, and the latency isn't too bad. I don't use it for any FPS games, but I've essentially offloaded all RPG/Casual single player games onto these gaming vm's to free up space on my main gaming computer. I'm not using pro grade hardware so I had to overcome that code 43 error using a gtx 1080 and gtx 980, and the unmentioned problem of trying to game on one of them without a monitor plugged in. I'm very interested in trying out your method, and seeing if it's even supported on a gtx 1080, as it could allow me to finally decommission that gtx980 and free up two additional pci express slots in the server.
Wendell I just wanna say that you've taught me so much and I just genuinely appreciate you!!
Excellent Content Man keep it up exactly the projects I have planned to do
Hey Wendell, idk if you'll ever read this since this video is so old, but when I watched this video I had a "server" with 4 different VMs
2 with GPU pass-through via VFIO and 2 regular VM using KVM.
My server is actually hooked up to fiber 2x1Gpbs (1Gbps dedicated 1Gbps shared), except it's actually a little bit more special then just "high speed fiber" it's situated 2,577km from the center of europe (poland)
Together with my brother we've been able to play GTA and Counter Strike and not failing even getting top 4 (in gun game so not that amazing) over high speed internet from 100km over 4g, then 600km, 1500km and 2600km from the server over high speed (200mbps) :)
This video has really motivated me to learn more about VGPU not just for gaming with my brother when he's several thousands of km away from me, but I've started to set up more then a personal computer, I've had interest from fellow students from my brothers shool who's looking into using VM instead of buying expensive computers.
I wish VGPUs were more common, but for now we're going to start out with 6 physical one virtual GPU server.
Really like these deep dives. You do an amazing job at showing off the potential of these technologies
VMware Engineer here .. 10 second login for my clients on w10 1803 8)
Wow 10 seconds that's alot what about 6s
I presume you could probably override the device id and vendor ID and enable RTX features for games, as for everything else Im slowly learning a bit more about this super technical stuff.
can confirm, worked for a big box tech store that used VDI for store inventory and POS and it's pretty awful. It wasn't even local either, it was 8 hours away and the thin clients only had 100 Mbit nics. Fun times.
If you had a bad experience then it wasn't optimized correctly. Our datacenter is in the US, we have people in Europe and Asia using Citrix without any issues.
Also, 100mbit Nic is just fine for VDI. You're not utilizing as much bandwidth as you think.
Hi Wendel, did you try the blast protocol from VMware? Maybe I missed it. Like I said in a post a few video’s back I ran a pretty dense cluster on vsan. If you want some more info about that you can shoot me some questions. I managed to get 300 people on a 4 node cluster with ~10 sec logon times on a full blown Windows 10 enterprise vdi. Even with the skype for business offloading working :)
That's actually interesting. I've been using vmware to mess around with virtual machines for a long time, though I've always had an input lag of about 500ms, either the guest was running Linux or windows. Guess using horizon with VDI eliminates that?
Also, if this was polished enough for the average Joe to do it, a how-to guide would be great.
U could but uh the licenses u need for grid and gpu is gonna break ur bank unless ur super super rich
I used that to play Minecraft on windows xp
This vid' is great. I wanna know more about this because I'm looking forward to setting this up at home
Linus: 7 gamers 1 CPU
Wendell: Hold my breakfast beer
more like breakfast m&ms
Super excited for cluster, but really waiting to see offsite vm access performance
You can do this with linux and oVirt as well, do it at work all the time. Have to tune some of the compression settings in spice, but not too hard to do.
I have been thinking about getting this done for a gaming ESL summer school.
No delay in lighting up......nano seconds to micro seconds probably depending on hardware.
have been dreaming of a multi seat super computer for like 4~5 ppl's daily office work, with dynamically distribution of cpu & ram resource utilized depends on what the users are doing...at the same time being the company's data server and all other wonderful features...hopefully can do this setup more easily in the near future...
Do you own a business looking for a solution?
What's your take on the Linus' VFIO Mac setup?
Could something like this work with KVM/Virt-Manager? I am working on converting my desktop computer into the entertainment "hub" for the house. I am planning to run CentOS with Cockpit for a headless system as NAS for the gaming VMs and as a Plex Server. Then I was planning to do Multiple Gaming VMs via Windows. I only need 2 for now but it would be great to be able to scale it in the future. I am really hoping that Intel or AMD bring SRIOV to consumer cards, especially now that you are starting to see game streaming going more streamlined.
Your move, Linus!
Using a similar setup that isn't GPU accelerated, a half dozen WTware Pi thin clients connected to W10 VMs running on an R720xd with ESXi (free license), curious if there's any free license option for using SRIOV for example to accelerate the desktop experience and make it much smoother.
So... will there be a way for vGPU under Linux without a Grid-Card and/or License? It's funny, i researched this recently - and found only Nvidias Grid Licensing... a few days later, stadia was announced. I really love to do something like this for my home. I'm currently running an dual E5-Server with 148gb Ram as a AIO Server (NAS, Firewall, Routing, Games) for my entire house. But the catch is, that every client needs a dedicated GPU - at least for gaming. So, there has to be a way around this. A Geforce with hacked drivers maybe - but who hacks the drivers?
nice video. do you have any documentation you can refer to?
1:28 went full on golden cobra with that audio sync LOL
Instead of using an expensive Thin client e.g. Dell Wyse or EVGA, you should try Stratodesk that run on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ or 4 and recycled PCs.
It provides full hardware H.264 acceleration over PCoIP and Blast Extreme with Horizon 7.
You also get centralized management for all your 'Thin Clients' through a Web based interface.
Works great with NVIDIA Tesla cards as Stratodesk always bring the latest official VMware or Citrix clients.
I'll have to find that video about 2 gpus and passthrough. I've got an HD3850 that I'd like to put to good use.
What type of PC/hardware specs do you recommend if you want to run 10-30 plus VM's? Can you assign different IP addresses to each VM? If yes, how?
Great job as always!
YES exactly like I'm doing, I got a threadripper 1950x and pass my 2080 ti through to windows and it works GREAT! i keep my frontier edition for linux host :D
I use VMware stuff at work so I'm not surprised you used it as a hypervisor.
this is interesting. I've been looking for something like this. the only problem now, is that vmware horizon is very costly😄. i wonder if there's open source alternative 🤔
I remember we had thin clients or what ever they called in School in the late 90's but only a few and none used them because they where so slow, bad enough that the regular systems where getting old and slow already. I'd love to be able to run Windows and Linux at the same time on my system at home but think my system is too old for that. But i'm not sure, did a quick google, maybe its possible. I even have two GPU's but then I'll have to worry about my PSU because the second card is a power hungry beast.
can you try a software called Aster from ibik. its a multiseat software for windows which doesn't need any virtualization and all users can access the full fat 16/32 core threadripper/xeon/i9. I am using it in my office for 3 video editors in the same machine with a threadripper. Sometimes they even play AAA games too without any problems.
I built a retro gaming server for in home LAN parties and it all runs great!
Actually my childhood friend Jeff Friend.. (that's his name) Works at VMWare. He's responsible for this. Great work Jeff!
THIS IS MY FAVORITE CONTENT
mooooooore
I just finished backing up all my HDDs/SSDs on my gaming rig so I can reformat them to VMFS.
i have an old dell precision T7600 laying in my shop's store for years with 2x(xeon e5-2630 6cores) 64gb ecc ddr3, also got gpus like asus 670gtx zotac 760gtx tesla k10 tesla k20x and i have no idea what to do i was thinking to put them into good use and make something like that u explained in the video but i dont know how im an amature in vmware
I opted not to go with thin clients / virtualization at work for the simple reason that it does not work well when using 3 - 4 (or in my case 5) monitors per machine. Even then buidling pc's for around 100 people is pretty afordable currently you can run 3 monitors on a ryzen apu and if you want to run more you put in something like a gt710 which can run another 3. and the monitors are around 130 each so also pretty affordable. Sure one could save money with virtualization but really it was never worth the drawbacks.
THIS! Is why i subscribe! I have 2 girds, 2 hosts and a the entire vmware suite! expect to see me in the forums!
This is wonderful Wendell!
What did you use to connect the VM to the raspberry pi? I'd love to test something like this out on a few pi's.
Wow awesome video Wendel
Fun Fact: You can get those insanely awesome 100GBit network cards on ebay for much cheaper than the price of a current gen high encd GPU.
Also awesome video! Really looking for more videos on clustering, distributed systems, etc. And im jealous of those V100s. Would love to have them at work :D
This setup a perfect niche for Nvidias 1660. It's capable of really killing it at 1080p, and with the rapidly decreasing price of 1080p monitors; this type of gaming setup becomes actually a hell of a lot more cost effective than an entire system per gamer.
Lets say you buy:
4 1080p panels, 4 1660s and a threadripper. You got yourself a super interesting setup where you can your friends can all sit around together, either play on LAN or online, a much better experience than console local multiplayer at the very least due to mod support and not having to splitscreen. super cool project.
What software have You used to stream video (desktop) from server to other PC ?
soooo what's the final latency numbers XD ?
Can you provide more details on the pies and VMware?
Would this setup be possible using XCP-ng? Because of the different license structures...
That's something I'm interested in Also
If I have a linux system and my computer is a Ryzen build but I still need to use adobe products like After Effecst for video compositing, it will work just as good as using the Adobe product on a native windows system?
Can you make a practical video about clusters? Always found it hard to get into, but you always can explain it :)
Well... what kind of cluster do you want to know better? Hypervisor, Application server, database server and so on...
Personally? I'm interested in clusters for CFD (fluid dynamics) simulations
Weeeird i was looking for Linus's video and this came up ?!?!?!??!
Y'all trying to compete with stadia?
I'm pretty interested in doing my own cloud gaming platform for my own use or for friends. Sooooo yes ! 🙂
What's the performance comparison vs 10x 1080 tis a generator to cover the additional power capacity and enough fuel to absorb the rest of the cost difference?
1:09
Wendell: "…we're halfway there"
Me: "WOA-OH! LIVING ON A PRAYER! TAKE MY HAND, WE'LL MAKE IT I SWEAR!"
Wish there was calculated some actual numbers on the delay, just showing slowmo video is not that tangible.
This is my future VMUG Home lab. The challenge is hosting it with the rtx 3090ti. For my kids afcours 😉Love it! Want it!
Aster is a windows program that allows you to run multiple windows users simultaneously, you are only limited my the hardware. My gf and I played rust together on medium settings both windows instances running off an i7 7700 and a gtx 1060. It was amazing. How does that work , if the 1060 shouldn't support it?
This is very nice tech... Is it possible to perform such thing with GTX 1080Ti from linux distro? Obviously the card has less memory but i would love to have a a linux host and win vm with allocated 6-8GB of virtual RAM for games instead of buying a stand alone gpu for passthrough .
Where did you get the bookshelf?
i have used a software trial of aster by ibik i dont know what the software type is called but it basicly lets you have more a second user on your pc so i used it with sandbox and had 2 people playing games on 1 pc with 1 gtx 980 is there another software like it or is it better to do it like this
Great work indeed!
Wendell, amd cards for a while had the ability to be flashed to firepro. If you can flash a firepro vbios on a vega64, will that feature be enabled?
Radeon to FirePro conversions haven't been a thing since the HD6xxx days IIRC
Watching this a few days after the Ethereum merge and wondering if a mining rig could be repurposed for this...
Very good. thanks. I have a question. I have VMware Workstation 12 pro and VM machine doesn't use my main PC GPU Nvidia graphic card.
How can I make VM machines use host PC GPU card?
are you using App Vols? or are you using Full clones?
Is it possible to do the inverse? I.E. have 1 VM that has 2 teslas, but without mucking arround with sli/croswfire?
Do you use discord? Im really looking for a fellow tech head that wont give up on the first error and quit just for nerd talk maybe games
I remember people claiming you could solder Nvidia consumer cards to make it look like Quadro cards. Didn't AMD consumer GPU'S work for VGPU?
Hyper-V you can do VGPU with Nvidia consumer cards. But games didn't load because it detected I was running remote desktop.
How much did the licenses cost to create that setup?
i tried to understand your video thank you. i will try it few times more. one question: i want to play a race game on pc called "dethkarz!" with my brother on multiplayer. but we never managed we are not smart enough even tho the game has a multiplayer option!!! we would like to play on the same pc and online too. maybe you can help us.. have a nice day.
You can do same with proxmox correct? Im vmware fan but can afford that software license.
Interesting.
If only those S7150´s weren't that blody expensive...
If only they were faster than R9 280/380, or at least on the level of an RX 470/570...
What are the licencing costs like to implement a solution like this.
Can´t be said clearly. Depends on your Hardware.
But you will need (Software)
1 x vCenter License (Somewhere around 5000$)
1 x Horizon License (Somewhere around 3000$)
1 x ESXi License ( Including vGPU ) (Somewhere around 4000$ per Year, single CPU Limits to 6 Cores.)
1 x NVIDIA GRID vPC License (2GB VRAM Limit) or Quadro vDWS ( Yes you have to pay the Premium for the Tesla Cards and a Software License ) (Arround 300$ per User/VM for 1 Year.)
can we use the mining cards in a vm? hmm
Wendell asked my prays yes I love this with ryzen
3:20 where is the link for that?
Wait what about Adobe Suite?? I need to know!
13:37 dayum
like the idea of running windows as vm from linux
I'm working on a gpu accelerated virtualized server to be able to stream a powerful workstation to anywhere in Tokyo, and maybe rest of Japan. The IPV6 backbone here is extremely low latency, amounting to a mere 4ms (test PC on wifi) to self hosted websites on google cloud/amazon aws. The server I'm building is running on the older c612 platform, using dual xeon e5 2680s & 128GB REG ECC RAM on an Asus Z10PE-D16 WS motherboard. Ideally it would be great to be able to setup multiple gpu accelerated VMs that can encode a videostream for 60fps desktop streaming... Any suggestions? Gaming performance is not a priority, rather photoshop, lightroom, premiere pro, blender, fusion 360, rhino, etc
Still looking for a solution? If not did you solve your problems? How?
Is it possible to do this not in VMware but in something more free like KVM Qemu or Xen?
Love you’re work
Your
You can bypass the code 43 error in VMware on Nvidia cards. I currently run a 32 core 2990wx with 4 Nvidia graphics cards and use parsec to access the VM's.
How could I bypass that code 43 ?
@@maximravinet9950 Edit the VM configuration with "hypervisor.cpuid.v0 = FALSE"
I vaguely remember having to SSH into esxi at one point and adding some sort of config line that related to the model of card I was using (1080 vs 1070). There are various reddit threads that explain how to do it. Currently I run two 1080ti's and two 1070ti's on a 2990wx
@@ctark thank you very much 😉
Wendel. I need you to Netlfix bomb this content. I need to binge on this knowledge.
6 Gamers, 1 GPU... Demonetized!
if you don't get it I won't explain. Cheers!
Will this also work on Unraid?
It may not look like much but she's got it where it counts :P
My VDI at work is lagging while minimizing a window. It takes about 3s per frame and there are about 5 frames. I'm not joking here.
Cab this be done with virtualbox? could it be done with a 1080ti? Or perhaps 5 1080tis in one server?
If you’ve got a server with x5 1080ti’s you might as well assign each GPU to a dedicated display. Providing you’ve got enough CPU power to share in VMWare however, any modern Epyc, Threadripper or Xeon should have no problem sharing their colossal core count.
@@xSwxve i asked how to do it in vbox / how does one tell the vm it gets gpu 3 ti itself
If Linus made this video he would have used 2 GPUs ;P
hmm I wonder if google got permission from nvidia to do that, their licensing doesn't permit data centre use of consumer gpus DOES IT GOOGLE?