Stories from Camp 30
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- For the complete story of Camp 30 please pick up the book "Camp 30: Word of Honour" by Lynn-Phillip Hodgson and Alan Paul Longfield, available here:
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A brief history of Camp 30, the German POW camp in Bowmanville, Ontario during World War II. These stories are told by men that were there, and give incredible insight into an important part of Canada's war history. Full interviews with those involved are available for license. The footage contains conversations with Volkmar Konig - German Navy, J. Bruno Petrenko - German Airforce, Jack Garnett - Canadian Army, and Lynn Phillip Hodgson - author/historian and consultant on CBC's X Company.
I wish so much that camp 30 could be restored and used for education rather than it be left in shambles like it is today.
It was turned into a university for islam for awhile before it was abandoned and fell into ruins
In the 1980's I corresponded with Otto Kretschmer, Volkmar Konig and many other former pows of Camp 30. I also attended a reunion in town where about 40 former pows attended. In the 1990's a film crew arrived from Los Angeles and we met at the camp and spent an entire day filming a documentary on the site. They represented the American "A&E Television Network" and the documentary was entitled (I believe) "More Great Escapes of WW2". It has appeared often around the world.
Was Otto the successful wheat germ Baron?
What blows my mind is that this video only has 45 thousand views.. This is a great video!!
I was in camp 30 aproximately 20 years after these POW's. At the time it was called Bowmanville Training School for Boys , a reform school for boys. The buildings are familiar. There are videos of camp 30 as it is today, an abandoned shambles. The only building I barely recognize in those videos is the mess hall. I was a 15 year old juvenile delinquent at the time and had no idea of the important POW's that were incarcerated there before me.
I was born and raised in Bowmanville. The local recreation department used the indoor pool for our swimming lessons. I gained my RLSS bronze and silver medals in that pool in the early 1960s.
Haha telling 15yo delinquents ‘we’re sending you where we sent the bad guys from ww2’ might be counterproductive to rehabilitation.
my dad was there too around the same time . Shayne Adams ,and his brother Scott .. I went and explored the camp 4 years ago , pretty crazy learning about the history and the fact my dad was there at one point.
@@EddyBunter that's cool! Do you happen to know what year the pool was installed?
This camp 30 would make a good movie...
These were the most fortunate of German POW's. Imagine the difference between going to Canada or going to Siberia. Twists of fate, good ones at that. Canada is still a great country and the people there seem to have less problems such as crime that people in similar living conditions to the southerly neighbors. A fine military as well. Respect to all that fight in these senseless wars for the benefit of politicians and the rich manufacturers.
Canada or Siberia. I don't think there's much difference regarding climate.
In Siberia (USSR)was not that good attitude for Germans just because they didn't come in Canada with weapons in hands to kill, like in USSR...
My grandfather was in Siberia for 4 years as a slave doing forced labour. The soviets often tortured prisoners in the most inhumane cruel ways. When my grandfather finally returned to his family, he was nothing but skin and bone. It haunted him for the rest of his life.
My Opa was a POW in France.... and after the War ended that french family that had my Opa POW in their farm house.... took him and family to Canada.
Dunning Kruger Good for them!
So nice i'm a french canadian i took a dna test because theres alot of secret in both side of my family and i am 53% french and german... 17% irish and british .. 19,1 % broadly northwest europeans. The rest is from the iberian penninsula and like 0,1% west african !!
(Sorry i suck at english)
Maybe we are related ? 👀🤔
I dont know nothing i dont own pictures of ancestors or know their names -.- i can't even make a genealogic tree
I Spent Time In there Throughout The 70s 👀🤠🇨🇦
I took swimming lessons here as a boy. Too much water up my nose, I quit .
Hitler said that if any of his men were mistreated he would use chemical weapons. Canada was not mistreating the pows but they hurriedly made a film showing medical facilities, the men well fed. Most ended up staying in Canada. They worked the fields, the farms, lumber. Very dignified, handsome men they were, no trouble. Canadians treated them with kindness not brutality. Watch the Enemy Within. It is more detailed than this one.
No POWs were allowed to STAY in Canada - or in the US - as, under the Geneva Convention, they all had to return. However, many, many immigrated to Canada - and the US - after the war, many sponsored by families where they had worked, or later through churches and labour programs and families - under the Canadian Council of Churches for the Resettlement of Refugees (most displaced people from eastern territories or those who had lost family and homes)
@@helengillespie8389 There is info on here about those German soldiers who were kept in Canada. I stand by what I said in my 1st comment.
@@sparx180 Interesting as, according to the Geneva Convention, ALL POWs had to be returned, some went to the UK first before returning to Germany. And treating the POWs well was part of that Convention and the medical films were done to prove same to the AXIS. I know some German POWs in the UK did not return (an uncle of mine had a family member who was a POW there and he met and married a girl in England and stayed there) The US were required to do the same - even if the POWs wanted to stay. And many did return as new immigrants under various schemes. My Dad included. legionmagazine.com/en/2012/03/the-happiest-prisoners/
God bless and THANK YOU
I taught public school here for one year in 2002. A school was relocated here during renovations.
I'm glad such a lovely story could emerge from this ugly chapter in human history. Canada is more important than American or European headlines would have you think. And as their neighbor to the south (where i am) abandons its historic values, Canada will play a more important part in world affairs! God bless Canada!
Canada was definitely underrated for their part in WW2.
Why France got a permanent seat on the UN security council and why Canada didn't is a mystery to me.
Abandons its historic values? Which ones would that be?
I guess sometimes you must go through hell to realize not all places are like that.
"I never felt like a free man until I was a prisoner in your country." Quote of a German PW in an American PW camp in WWII.
Wondershoun fair story of German soldiers,should be more like this.It would be a good film,my husband is German I am English in our 60s so both ageing hippies now but I know from his parents that there are two sides to every story and my dad fought in ww2 in Europe and he thought the German soldiers were brave.
And now, let’s do a comparison to the Japanese POW camps.
Bowmanville where I live its way too scary there we saw somthing move it was a bird it shit on my friend ::(((
I also live in bowmanville here is proff camp 30 is on lambs road
I wish I would’ve been able to hear more from these men what they thought about the atrocities that was happening at the camps. Since they seemed to have been there at the beginning of it all.
Atrocities? Not at that camp
My mother's cousin was captured in Africa and sent to a P.O.W. camp in Oklahoma. He wanted to remain in the U.S. after the war, but was told he would have to return to Germany and then immigrate to th U.S. He decided to stay in Germany.
They did make a movie about this called mcKenzies break with Brian Keith
They did a movie about German POWs in a Canadian camp, and that's where the similarity ends.
Too bad the Germs didnt treat the prisoners the same
Until the chaotic last months of the war, prisoners from the U.S. and Western Europe and Scandinavia were relatively well-treated.
The former prisoner at 3:48 still has a slight resemblance to the photo of himself in his youth.
Some old and even middle-age people morph into a look unrecognizable from their younger selves.
That Cat definitely looks the same! In his mug Shots he looks like Eddie Haskel
The war was over
They were treat a lot better tha our P.O.W.
Shows countries like Canada and most of the allies did what was necessary but did not go over the line punitively like what happened with Versailles.
Could have been no treaty at all. Could have been the annihilation of German citizenry. I'd say Versailles was an appropriate punishment for the death of millions.
A remainder to anyone making films r youtube videos that too often edited over music interferes with the the narrator or in this case the eye witness's oral account
Lior Holtslag a remainder to anyone making comments on youtube, grammar goes a long way.
The British sent those men here for... DARN, I forgot, WAIT, WAIT, I know it, I know it, I remember, it made no sense at all...
That's how you de-nazify someone, not by starving people like the occupation forces in Germany are intentionally doing.
Those pows got treated way too good
czcams.com/video/5Ywe5pFT928/video.html thats better isnt it! You like that, I am sure!
@@theluckyegg3613 What's the rape of Berlin got to do with a few pow's captured and sent to Canada?
It's just basic civility. How we treat others says nothing about them, and everything about us.
why are the voices for the old people all on the left side on the headphones? i have checked and they are not broken
spartain117beta
This is all rough video and sound, nothing corrected or mixed. The audio was recorded in mono and never mixed to stereo
@@ryancopithorn9413
Ah... mono. The soundtrack of my youth.
Hearing some of the stories from the boys that stayed at the reformatory school that was there before is truly the shocking part. We treated nazis infinitely better loooool
You know they weren't all "Nazis". I have dozens of German relatives who were in the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht but never joined the Nazi party. One of them was Erich "Bubi" Hartmann, the famous WWII Luftwaffe fighter pilot. Look him up...
Actually we weren't treaded that badly, but that kind of environment for a 15 year old was extremely depressing.
Lol theres no way they would have been able to get a submarine to bowmanville. It would have had to go through the st lawrence lock system. The closest it would have been able to get was quebec city and those waters were patrolled. The prsioners never would have been able to escape
Please be clear that Nazi was a political party and most military were not Nazi. Do some research. I'm not trying to be rude.
As the video description reads, this is all rough footage and voice, nothing is finalized. However, the German army fought to achieve the goals of the Nazi party, so when historians say "The Nazis took Paris", etc. They aren't out of line. We spoke to many men who didn't identify as Nazis but were still fighting a war for them.
Joseph Dockemeyer Some were supporters of Hitler, some weren’t - that’s all that can be said. Percentages are impossible to ascertain and no amount of research can do so. Certainly amongst the high command support grew with his successes and then declined with his eventual defeats.
How stupid for Italy to declare war on the allies🙈
My parents lived on farm nearby . They told how they had to drive through road checks . A guard pointed a gun in the car at a road check . My dad told him , don't point that gun at my passengers ! ( they were my older brothers and sisters as children )
"had swelled"? Should be"had swollen".
One in every comment section
Sez the pendant
No, it "had swelled" and became "swollen". Swelled is a verb, the past tense of swell. Swollen is the adjective that describes something that has swelled. The confusion probably arises from someone saying "It's swollen", and then another person interpreting "its" to be " it has" instead of "it is", which leads that person to be believe that swollen is the past tense of swell. What's next, dragged vs. drug? Hanged vs. hung?
Kilroy
Hung? Not me😈
@@12yearssober I see what you did there.
And now canada lets muslims do the same........
Moviestar Memories Why don't you find out the truth before spewing horseshit. Canada let in 25,000 Syrians. All their backgrounds were checked out. They just did not walk in. These are good people who work and cause no trouble. What do you expect the US bombed 7 countries in 5 years (Gen. Wesley Clark) beginning with Afghanistan. They have nothing to live for there. The US once was good but not anymore. They do the dirty work for Israel.
Moviestar Memories…take your xenophobic bullshit elsewhere, moron.
Pronounced Durnitz......
Doughnuts?