BMW M140i - testing drive modes + LSD in the rain
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- čas přidán 3. 10. 2019
- The limited slip differential... Do you want one? Do you need one? Should you get one? How does it change the car? Here's a few thoughts to help you out... 👍
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All the Audi fanboys like "how do I do that"
Graham Reid I can drift my Audi TTs buddy 😳
Graham Reid haha
Need for Speed Passion got a vid? The only TTS drift vids I can see are either on super slippy surfaces with a pathetic angle for a second or two.
JEFF4507 Theirs a old video from when the TTs came out drifting.Think his name is Chris Harris he’s on top gear now. ahpadt the channel is called
They light up all 4 wheels instead
Brilliant video Mark! I like your usage of the multiple angles!
Thanks for pointing me here Mark. A very good video with a lot of helpful information. Think its safe to say that the M140 is still at the top of my list, but with a greater margin between it and the next choice. Thanks again.
Great video. A lot of effort gone into this! Very helpful.
Just discovered your channel after a test drove a M140 today. Deposit left and can’t wait till Friday for collection.
Great content and now can’t wait to discover the cars limits
Brilliant video !!!
So great, well worth the subscribe! I have a Xdrive 340i I use as my car to hammer thru the mountains to ski so hard driving in possible cold scenarios. I really want the LSD to help on launches and predictable traction for our culdesac but was worried it could be too squirrely if it’s snowing in the mtns.
Sounds like sport mode would still work perfectly fine
I'm surprised how decent the traction control is in the wet, makes it a pretty easy car to drive for someone that's inexperienced. I hate cars that have intrusive traction or stability control, as I find it makes the car less predictable, particularly if you have the skills and are likely to correct it yourself.
Looks like fun Mark.
Good stuff Mark. BMW traction control is the best I’ve ever come across in that it’s doing a lot of stuff but is fairly seemless. The higher the sport setting, the more obtrusive it becomes as you’ve shown in sport plus, that jarring motion caused by the brakes! In the Mustang, it’s next to useless! In normal mode It allows crazy angles of rotation before anything happens, actually I think you could easily lose it! What it does seem to prevent is then trying to use the throttle to keep it going. Not dared try that with things switched off. That said, because of the more linear power delivery and LSD, it’s so controllable and a lot of fun! LSD makes a huge difference for this sort of driving.
Expanding on my 'I don't like that' point...I had it, control, but I needed power to bring it back out of the slide...but the car just killed the throttle hence me almost coming to a complete stop. It allows small angles though without interfering too much though.
glad someone finally has a manual !
My first 20 years of driving was in cars without anything at all to 'aid' or 'save' the driver! Most cars back then were rwd also - Albeit 2-250bhp less than your M140i (which I drive today) 😁👍
Great video Mark...you’ve made my decision easy!
I’m not going to install the LSD!
Gone for winter tyres instead.
Thanks again. 😁
Glad I helped. This is the point I wanted to get across...unless you do like swinging the back end about...the benefits of an LSD are questionable.
MarkCup70 this is the problem with x drive....it brings the non swing lovers into the mix!.
I’m the other way inclined...see it as a way to make the most of the car in a more connected sense...going to get my f31 330d to birds at some point for the LSD option....but £2k is a tough pill to swallow for vanity 😉 👍🏼
You drove really well to say your on acid. Did you see any unicorns.
LSD is groovy man. Does make me miss my old RWD Skyline. Understeer in the FiST just isn't fun no matter what you do lol.
Lift off! Get that back end moving!
@MarkCup70 Did you follow any run in period/process with new LSD Mdif? just had mine fitted by BMW and they didnt seem to sure about run in period or run in oil?
seeing someone who can actually drive the car and tell you it WONT kill you with TC off is rare. so many experts say blah blah its too snappy as if you would just full throttle the car at 15mph in the pissing down rain and not expect the back to come out. Cant wait to get my self a m135i in june...TC right off mate
That was very through take on the LSD how it puts down power with and without. Plus the advice on a remap for preformance.
Awesome vid and nice control, do you know if LSDs are any cheaper for lesser powered models like the old NA 125i and 130i?
I couldn't say Christopher but I doubt it...it's still going to be a 40kg hunk of engineering regardless of what engine's spinning the prop shaft.
Driving repeatedly in circles on roundabouts on a rainy day... Typical BMW driver moment ahahahaha
Briliant Mark, thanks for the vid! Also, thats a nice excuse to hit Goodwood once again, right? ; )
Cheers.
I need no excuse, I'd be there daily if I could!
Splendid
@@mainman2999 Driving it makes me feel like a 12 year old!
Good videos mark, a question off topic with your track days with your fiesta st did you ever use a baffled sump kit or in this car?
Nope. Never had an issue as far as I'm aware.
Great video and driving. One thing I've noticed, is now slow the gear change is. Is there any way of speeding it up? It looks like the clutch pedal action is sooo slow, or is that simply a case of waiting for the lever to engage? Most things I have driven a micro switch like with their changes
I just choose not to rush the box Eddie...I like engine revs to be matched for a smoother shift. Unless you're on a drag strip fast changes are almost completely pointless in my opinion, there's far more time and pace to be gained from focussing on being smooth.
Those two roundabouts over A27 are brilliant! Ask me how I know :))
Last two E92 - N54s I have had LSDs.. Wavetrac and Mfactory... Current E92 is an IS with a DCT, Tune and suspension... - Oh, and use a Coding tool to disable Ediff braking..
Hi Mark, great video. Would have been great to see exactly how far the car moved when going around the roundabouts. the 50/50 split just covered too much of the view out the front window. next time!
Yeah, unfortunately because of the nature of this one I thought it best to keep the windscreen view limited at certain points.
Ah yes of course. I know what you mean ! 😀
Informative review. However I disagree that you have to drive with DSC off in order to experience the value of an LSD. I had one fitted on my M140i from factory in July. In the dry I floor it at every opportunity and get all the power down in full confidence. Traction, even in the wet, is leaps and bounds above any FWD and non-LSD RWD car I have owned, including an F30 320d. Last month I also fitted an underbody brace and Birds B1 Suspension to replace my adaptive suspension. What a world of a difference. The car now handles better, drives with more emotion, is more planted and more comfortable over very bad roads. It feels finished :)
Agreed, completely, the traction benefits are noticeable in both wet and dry...but for me, unless you like swinging the back end about, it's a lot of money for a slightly improved 0-60 time.
MarkCup70 a set of MP4Ss are a more affordable mod for those who find that the MPSS have poor traction on wet roads.
@@hl236 I'd have them if they were avilable in the sizes I need...but PS4 is the best I can get as a Michelin road tyre.
Minor correction, sport+ turns DSC off, but leaves traction control on. This means it should give you a bit more control over the amount of grip as you try to put more power down but it won't help you if you start fish tailing around much at all
A minor correction to your minor correction, sport+ is just the same as Traction off (not DSC fully off). Both the traction control and DSC are relaxed but still active. It will wheelspin, up to a point, and the same with getting it sliding, it allows it, up to a point before it jumps in and stops the fun. The DSC in sport+ is most definitely still on, I can feel it braking the wheels to stop excess yaw.
@@MarkCup70 Quoting verbatim from my 2018 M140i driver's guide, "Sport+ is displayed in the instrument cluster. The DSC OFF indicator lamp is illuminated: Dynamic Traction Control DTC is activated"... Did a bit of googling based on what you have experienced and found this definition of DTC, which apparently is from BMWs website, "Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) allows more wheel slip and thus a more dynamic driving style with higher wheel traction and DSC controlling stability. A small amount of spin on the drive wheels improves traction when pulling off from a standstill in snow or on loose terrain." It goes on to explain that, "DTC can be activated by pressing a button and this allows more slip and reduces the DSC’s curbing of the engine. The result: better traction and more thrust." So, there it is; it's just a derivative of DSC rather than a different feature altogether, like the driver's guide would have had me believe!
@@sAmiZZle82 then I stand corrected!
Have you thought about getting the car coded, and maybe an exhaust? I think the active sound in beemers sounds horrendous
I like the active sound so that's staying and it's a definite no to an exhaust. All noise and no point IMO...plus the fact that I live in a sleepy village with elderly neighbours...I couldn't do it to them every morning at 0600!
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Welcome!
You ever considered getting into auto journalism? Really informative and answers questions I didn’t no I would have
Not at all, none of this comes naturally to me, it takes a lot of effort!
@@MarkCup70 it’s great to watch tho pal sure there loads of videos of the 140 online but none are as in-depth as yours and practical. How does the Porsche compare to the 140? What it like running cost wise?
Wow the effects of lsd is like drifting with bmw? Now i see why... 👽
I predict the future of this BMW into a hedge.
I'm thinking a tyre wall is far more likely myself 🤣
Mark if you haven’t done so already might I suggest you get some protection behind grills. Had two radiators holed, one pheasant and second stones. That first radiator is part of the low pressure cooling system for charge cooling:/ air con and is very fragile.
@@markbroadheaf1593 That was done by the original owner of my car thankfully 👍
Mark Broadheaf Hey, I’ve just bought an m140i, can i ask what the protection is you’re referring to? Thanks
@@CallumRoberts17 wired mesh on the inside to prevent stones from hitting the grill, gives it some more protection.
I feel like they should have added more lock to the m sport diff. The derlex (I think that's what it's called) and the queife (no idea how to spell this shit) LSDs make the mod more worth it, cuz they lock up more. The m sport just doesn't lock up enough, not to say it doesn't lock up, cuz it def makes a pretty big difference but I don't think it's a very drifty diff just kinda a tease. The m cars have fully locking diffs, wish the m sport was at least like 50% lock on acceleration, just to give it more of an m car feel
It's actually the other way around. The Quaife, Wavetrac and Blackline do not lock at all. Those are all open LSDs. They work via a torque biasing system which switches the power to the opposite wheel when losing traction. The M Performance differential locks to around 30%, which is of course much more aggressive than than the quaife or other ATB differential. The M Performance differential provides enough slip to allow it to be used both for tack and street use, but it's absolutely better for the track than any of the ATB diffs like Quaife for track use, as it still works with one wheel off the ground. If the diff was more than 30% lock it makes more clunky for everyday use. Many track drivers favour 40% lock, so 30 is absolutely fine for both road and track use.
Have you driven your car in the snow or icy conditions yet? How was it?
Loose!
Looks really manageable Mark. You need to get to a car control day to really learn the balance in a safe environment. I need to do one in mine as the MR layout is a right handful. JB21 👍
MRS-2ZZ interesting. I went from an MR2 Roadster to an M135i and thought the MR2 was easier to manage when it went
I really wish Rockingham's wet grip facility was still operational. I had a blast there in my RS, but in this it would have been even better.
Would have preferred to see the road than the pedals or dials.
It looks very snappy in the wet. I think you needed a much bigger roundabout, looked like you were about to stack it at one point.
Track Time Videos most probably due to knocking it down into 1st gear approaching the roundabout 🤣I doubt anyone would use such a technique in normal driving.Pointless operation in my opinion and points to being a tad scared of the taller gears and bigger speeds.I usually like Marks videos but his attempt at a “dick swing” drift video on public roads is a fail this time.
Track Time Videos you sound jealous lol
@@JEFF4507 how would I be jealous? I have 2 cars worth more than an M140i. Moronic comment.
Another butt hurt focus rs fanboy why don't you just follow another RS channel? Oh that's right everyone is getting rid 😂😂😂
Disco Inferno rs is perfect ! You wouldn’t no because you couldn’t afford one you bellend
Why are you heel and toeing? That gearbox has autoblip
It doesn't rev match for you when you have DSC fully off.
I was wondering when you'd show up LOL
MarkCup70 ahhh no way, I’m glad u bought the auto then 👀😂. I wonder if you can get it mapped in?
Glad to be of service!
You need the best mod ever.Its called Quattro mate 😂 Great video 🍻👍
Quattro is too boring.
comes with free check engine light!
M50B25 Turbo That’s what all none audi owners say buddy.I can drift mine in the wet 👍
Zoltan Roka Never happened on mine 10 years old 🤔
I'm completely baffled as to what your trying to achieve? You put the LSD on to gain traction but you said you don't like the way it saves the back end so you turn everything completely off and then your happy again?
He's talking about Sport Plus mode when he's talking about it saving the slide not the LSD. I don't like it on mine either because it's very easy to overcorrect as the car thinks its time to save you and you end up correct the slide at the same time as the car. DSC completely off won't intervene.
drumdone I don't have LSD on mine and I will admit I don't take on track days like Mark does. I think unless you are pushing the car to the absolute limit a lot of the time there isn't any need for LSD. Good tyres (pilot super sports) are the most important thing you will need.
@@simonnelson7770 As said above my comment about not liking it was regarding how in Sport+ it just killed it...the car was moving, I had it controlled and needed power to bring it out, but the TC robs you of that.
You soiled your self at Goodwood on a mildly damp day.
You can tell when Mark is about to have a squeaky bum moment, he crops the view of the road out ;)
Just a note to those who like to indulge on public roads, if you end up having an accident and your insurer (or depending on severity, police forensics) interrogate the engine management logs and find that you had DSC and TC defeated at the time of the incident, you could be in expensive trouble.
Proves nothing
Is this not just a myth? The car is provided with various driving modes...and BMW say nowhere that it's dangerous to use them. My insurance policy wording, which I've just looked through in its entirety, mentions no such limitations. You have examples of this happening? People genuinely being denied a valid claim solely because they were in a particular driving mode the insurer deemed unacceptable?
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Don't look for donuts
Why av you got the diff you cart drift 😂
1 series is a death trap in rain and cold. It's a pile of shit lol, very nice to drive on a sunny day however. Xdrive in the UK all the way. My old M135i nearly killed me about 10 times. Now got a 435d with a shade under 400bhp and it laughs as rain (BMW laughs in rain language) M340i xdrive next once the depreciate lol.
You should know what you're getting into with a short wheelbase rwd with fairly wide rears. Ofcourse it wont be as good in the rain as an awd lol
@@BarbecuedPossum yes you are right but that inline 6 with rear wheel drive for around £20k was too good not to drive for a few years. Just wish they had done the xdrive model in the UK 💁♂️.
@@TeacherToolkitDemo The Xdrive would kill the USP of the 1 series...the point of it (to me) is that the rear is mobile if you want it to be.
@@MarkCup70 try pushing a 1 series in cold weather on a B road it's a hazard. The wheel base of the car isn't wide enough just for power through the rear wheels. My xdrive 4 series is way way more capable and put the power down in all weather. The 1 series would surely benefit from xdrive in the UK.
@@TeacherToolkitDemo Agreed it's more capable, with twice the driven wheels it's always going to be...but with just RWD it's not a hazard at all. I drive DSC fully off, always, and rattle along damp b-roads at pace just fine...of course if I give it a bootfull of throttle with steering lock on it's going to break traction and become a handfull...but it only happens if I do that. Which I don't. 👍