Yeah they're pretty rapid to say the least... I've got a 485bhp M140i (manual) and it definitely needs respect. 3rd Gear has such a strong pull that overtaking on a back road can easily have you above 100mph without realising. Accelerated onto the motorway the other day and didn't realise I'd accelerated so hard until I saw the gap between me and normal traffic behind, oops haha.
@@DDG-Downfall oh definitely, it’s got a tiny tank on it! It’s still a 1 series at the end of the day. I can get 46mpg if cruising on the motorway but, yeah it’ll drain fairly quick if you’re pushing on and especially on track.
@@rustler08 What's wrong with bhp? It's what manufacturers use to publish engine hp. Of course this is traditionally at the flywheel. It's just the standard. You want wheel hp, drop 15% - 30% depending on the driveline configuration.
My M140i was about the same power. He’s possibly made it too stiff which is why it’s so twitchy. I had the birds suspension kit with 3 door underfloor brace and it transformed the car.
Me too, 480hp ,lsd,other brake disc , sport brakepads, have the st xta plus3 susp. , The garagist told me he mounted how the factory raccomend, but.last week i went to nürburgring, it was like riding on a rollercoast, jeez , not really stable ...it as low- high speed compression adjust and rebound too but i dont know how to setup , i would not want too fly out of the corner because i changed wrong
This is so cool. I have an M2 CS in America, which I’m super grateful to have been able to afford and find one. Lapping the ring with it would be a dream, but I would settle for a 140i. I used to own a 135i prior to my M2 and it was such an underrated beast. No LSD but it was a champ. Sadly they don’t sell the 1 series in America anymore, but what a car for the money.
Hello again, 'Misha' it must be really gratifying to watch someone you have tutored over the years (Shmee150) control his car so well on the Nurburgring, great to see. Regards, RichardA.
I had a 84 RWD Camaro that had maybe 1/4 the HP of this BMW (ha) and it still tried to cut loose under pressure. Can’t imagine what increasing the HP on that thing would have done. Still a great video.
The AD08R is a fine road tire, but for something with this much power you want a significantly more sticky option. That likely contributed to the twitchiness. The modern crop of 200 UTQG tires blow it out of the water for outright performance.
@@Gochsener ... agreed... the short & relatively narrow chassis is evidently being overwhelmed by 500 BHP to the rear wheels, despite having Bilstein suspension.
The M140i platform has lots of potential, but it MUST be well modified in terms of suspension, wheel sizing, diff and brakes because also from the factory its a handful to drive when pushed, it will get sketchy. The chassis gets very easily overpowered by the engine.
Rwd is a lot to handle, xdrive you have more control over the car. Even with all the mods the ESC is constantly flickering. Mine doesn't flicker at all 90% of the time, even in the rain the power is usable.
Mine has a differential and isn’t this twitchy. The owner says “original differential” with that and looking at the video I suspect he has the standard open differential.
@@nascher2306 he also said it has the original LSD. Their is only one version of the LSD. So I suspect he means it’s the original open differential. The way it snaps is different to every B58 with LSD I’ve driven and I also have the same modifications as the yellow M140i in the video.
Look my Channel i have 30 HP 70 NM less than his car but the same M Diff. But i use 255/265 Nankang AR1 Semis i have zero Problems with Traktion. Suspengion not sure what he have
Wonder how the transmission and differential will hold up. Seems like a fun car. At least there are tuners there that can help maintain it if something breaks. How does TUV look at such cars?
Considering it has trouble hooking on those tires I don’t think the gearbox is under toooo much strain. It’s shock loading and torque that really gets you.
I have a Stage 2+ M135i and that's more than enough for the chassis. I also see you didn't turn traction control fully off, that's a problem on the ring. Also making the rear really stiff with an agressive LSD can cause more throttle oversteer. If the tyres are AD08R they are good, the newer version AD08RS are not that good.
I love the way how it sounds when you lift off the gas pedal. What is that called? Does all the b58 engine make that same sound? Or is it the tuning? I’m currently driving a 328i f30 with bm3 and cant create that sound on command, only in snow when tc is kicking. Planning to buy a m340i g20 hope I can let it make that sound too. I remember some bmw m2’s make that sound too.
Twitchy , poor balance. That Porsche killed it. Nothing like a real M car M3 /M4 etc. M140i M235i etc. are not real M cars, but a publicity marketing stunt to push sales.
If it’s break away oversteer the suspension is too stiff at the back; probably needs a thinner rear ARB and or springs & damping to match. You have respect the smaller wheelbase...
Those AD08 RS tyres won't be helping. Yokohama have a disclaimer on their website saying they perform worse now thanks to the EU. A set of AR1s might get the power down better!
i have the B16 on my 125d. Daily drive is really good, only coming off speedbumps is a bit harsch. On the nordschleife is perfect, on gp tracks still a bit too soft. I think it is one off the best for the combination of road and track driving!
Anyone else notice the phantom 4 series appearing between the Porsche and the 1 series as they overtook going into Breitscheid?! 7:19 It just appears between the oher two cars from nowhere!
1 series most enjoyable solid RWD hatchback ever except for maintenance Nothing glides or powers like it, had a 123d stage 2 drove mine dust till dawn 170k then turbo damaged lol just miss how these cars handle
Sport+ is great for off the lights but the throttle response is too aggressive for Track, 30% pedal movement is closer 70% compared to other modes. Traction mode or fully off is best.
That was my thought too. I guess the car felt too unforgiven to go DSC off? But adding some traction and ESP aid comes with the cost of that non linear pedal response of the sports +, which I dislike a lot. I kinda hate you have to compromise in the non M car with throtle response - steering weight - traction control / ESP level. I guess thats BMW product distinction strategy. Would be great if we could code the sports+ mode with linear throtle reponse and sporty wheel weight.
Yes, the owner said it had the 'original' M Performance diff. As it comes with an e-diff not an LSD it sounded a bit weird. Although I believe you could get a dealer fitted M LSD so maybe he meant that?
Yeah 500hp, 1500kg. Ive got a 1400kg m135i running 450hp, I'm looking at an underbody brace and an M2 diff. The N55 I have is running an e20 tune too for that 450hp and 670Nm and the stage 3 8hp At flash. Now the B58 makes 10% more torque for the same horsepower. I don't feel my M135i, needs more power, it seems less snappy than this m140, but still at 450hp it's a fraction too much power so I need go keep the rear planted a bit better. I think the under body brace will help it, along with the diff. This M140i is very torquey and snappy.
I like these CZcams guys. They do crazy stuff so we don't have to. Like their ring cars for example. They over-boost the poor things and flog them unmercifully on the track. No way we would treat our cars like that.
I kinda enjoyed that lap, maybe because I had headphones on lol...took me a few minutes to realize Misha wasn't driving, what would you change on the car Misha?
Misha, have you tried speaking with GoPro ? Because they might have a solution for your suddenly film stops ! Other than that, if it still on the guarantee I’m pretty sure you can ask them to fix or give you another one !
Yikes, that thing has WAY more power than it can get to the ground. The ix version might be a more practical idea with all those newton meters to deal with. I checked the wheelbase vs an M3 and it’s only 70mm shorter, so the polar moment shouldn’t be *that* different to cause the unruly behavior. Tires?
@@winstonsmith313 Yes but the owner replies that it has the 'original' diff. The stock car has an e-diff, although an M LSD could be dealer fitted so maybe he meant that.
@@ollyhorne4651 I listened to that exchange before the lap began a couple of times and couldn’t really understand what all the mods were on that 140. Maybe Misha will comment. That car just can’t get power down, so maybe no LSD *is* the problem.
@@winstonsmith313 They did say it has got an lsd; "M performance lsd", or else the owner is very ignorant about his own car, but I find that hard to believe . Probably tires, alignment and maybe engine mapping is to blame.
@@ketovoreking5440 I have had it at this power for almost a year now, and it's starting to feel a bit slow :-) Saving for the next tuning steps at the moment !
@@DjNikGnashers ye I suppose you get used to it after a while but defo still a beast mate I'm getting golf r soon probably a 2015 to 2016 and then move up after a while my dream hatch is a rs3 the 400bhp standard 💯👌🙌💪
@@ketovoreking5440 I'd be very happy with any of those mate, all very capable cars. I just chose an M140i because they are a bit more 'wild' and unpredictable (and I think that's more fun).
Anyone who think they hit 500bhp stage 2+ on pump fuel are deluded or you have seen a lottery dyno. They make 460-470bhp absolute max on stock turbo unless you’re running an e30 map. Then you’ll be around 490-500bhp max.
7:17 this was so strange lol 2 cars pass you and suddenly there's 3
Wtf yeah hahaha
The bmw was just at the side of him but slightly in front, had to watch it again in slow motion a few times but you can see it through the glass :P
yea bro wtf
Just look at the way the speedo is climbing. This thing is fast as hell. The BS Merc was still pulling ahead. Tells you the levels of that thing.
one of the first things I noticed, he needs a bigger speedo lol
Yeah they're pretty rapid to say the least... I've got a 485bhp M140i (manual) and it definitely needs respect. 3rd Gear has such a strong pull that overtaking on a back road can easily have you above 100mph without realising. Accelerated onto the motorway the other day and didn't realise I'd accelerated so hard until I saw the gap between me and normal traffic behind, oops haha.
Whats even more impressive is how fast the gass is gone xP
@@DDG-Downfall oh definitely, it’s got a tiny tank on it! It’s still a 1 series at the end of the day. I can get 46mpg if cruising on the motorway but, yeah it’ll drain fairly quick if you’re pushing on and especially on track.
@@a20axf yeah, highway is oke. But normal driving and not alot 40€ evry other day. It adds up as a daily.
Nothing beats watching the analog speedo climbs like a rocket. Digital screens just doesn't do it for me
Yeah
Crazy that a simple decat,tune and upgraded high pressure fuel pump will get you to around 500 bhp or more
B58 is magic 👌
Easy mods = high hp only works if you have a turbo engine.
I’ve just dyno’d at 431bhp with just a tune. The engine is a monster.
No idea why people talk about bhp. Get your car on a dyno, stop making up numbers.
@@rustler08 What's wrong with bhp? It's what manufacturers use to publish engine hp. Of course this is traditionally at the flywheel. It's just the standard. You want wheel hp, drop 15% - 30% depending on the driveline configuration.
love the sound of the 3-litre engine while he looked at the rear tires. :D
Brilliant vid as always Misha.
THat car was seriously fast. 220 through the first compression is pretty good. Tims skill has improved greatly. He just pulled away.
My M140i was about the same power. He’s possibly made it too stiff which is why it’s so twitchy. I had the birds suspension kit with 3 door underfloor brace and it transformed the car.
Thats my thought as well.
Me too, 480hp ,lsd,other brake disc , sport brakepads, have the st xta plus3 susp. , The garagist told me he mounted how the factory raccomend, but.last week i went to nürburgring, it was like riding on a rollercoast, jeez , not really stable ...it as low- high speed compression adjust and rebound too but i dont know how to setup , i would not want too fly out of the corner because i changed wrong
This is so cool. I have an M2 CS in America, which I’m super grateful to have been able to afford and find one.
Lapping the ring with it would be a dream, but I would settle for a 140i. I used to own a 135i prior to my M2 and it was such an underrated beast. No LSD but it was a champ.
Sadly they don’t sell the 1 series in America anymore, but what a car for the money.
Whatta hell happened at Breidscheid?!? That M4 (?) just appeared out of nowhere! 👀
i rewatched it 3times to see wtf happened 🤔
@@xXxH8TERxXx I used slow motion and my x-ray vision trying to locate it from behind the other car.
It overtook the m140i
time stamp please
7:19
Every time I hop on your channel I get slightly jealous! Living the dream misha
Hello again, 'Misha' it must be really gratifying to watch someone you have tutored over the years (Shmee150) control his car so well on the Nurburgring, great to see. Regards, RichardA.
I had a 84 RWD Camaro that had maybe 1/4 the HP of this BMW (ha) and it still tried to cut loose under pressure. Can’t imagine what increasing the HP on that thing would have done. Still a great video.
The GT Black is a menacing looking bit of kit
A "bit" quicker than my MR2 :-D - Cool Video again!
Woah this was an amazing level of speed and acceleration 💯
1:17
Might have just made me wanna do the same to my e92 m3.
Oh and I definitely did not expect Shmee to be such a good driver.
Schmee’s MB is like the honey badger of the ‘ring: it just don’t care!
Great video Misha!! 💛 I’m looking at my M140i now, and thinking… hmmm.. 🤔🤣
The AD08R is a fine road tire, but for something with this much power you want a significantly more sticky option. That likely contributed to the twitchiness. The modern crop of 200 UTQG tires blow it out of the water for outright performance.
7:17 is like a magic trick - 2 cars pass, but there are now 3 ahead of you. Ta da!
My eyes have been fucked
Confused
What a Sound 😂👌
It goes very fast 👍
Regarts ✌
@ 7:20, I thought that green car appeared from a time portal, it was hard to see next to the BMW.
Unbelievable to what level they can bring a M140i
we know the engine can do the power but I think the wheelbase just is too short and it's too light on the rear, mods give or take
@@Gochsener Track width is the main limitation this car has compared to F80/87 in my opinion
@@Gochsener ... agreed... the short & relatively narrow chassis is evidently being overwhelmed by 500 BHP to the rear wheels, despite having Bilstein suspension.
I really like this colour and the accents inside.
The M140i platform has lots of potential, but it MUST be well modified in terms of suspension, wheel sizing, diff and brakes because also from the factory its a handful to drive when pushed, it will get sketchy. The chassis gets very easily overpowered by the engine.
Rwd is a lot to handle, xdrive you have more control over the car. Even with all the mods the ESC is constantly flickering. Mine doesn't flicker at all 90% of the time, even in the rain the power is usable.
Damn that is fast!
Never underestimate the 1 series 🤣💪🏼that things a weapon, sounds awesome. Great video
6:58 That porsche is so quick
A danish appearance… Awesome!
(Btw the car is for sale)
There is an error in the matrix between 7:18 and 7:21 ...where did the green M4 came from ? :D
Im so surpised that with all the mods its still twitchy! Mines standard and also handles like a Lada.
Mine has a differential and isn’t this twitchy. The owner says “original differential” with that and looking at the video I suspect he has the standard open differential.
@@sinbad666 The Car have BMW M Diff he said car have LSD.
He doesn’t exactly modulate throttle either, sport + is a no no in my opinion on track.
@@nascher2306 he also said it has the original LSD.
Their is only one version of the LSD. So I suspect he means it’s the original open differential. The way it snaps is different to every B58 with LSD I’ve driven and I also have the same modifications as the yellow M140i in the video.
@@MrAshLloyd why? Should he use traction mode or full off?
It's nice to see Shmee driving his Black Series like that on the ring haha
I had 740hp at the back wheel in a commodore with kw suspension and with LSA chev power. My mate has over 1000hp with LS7 and yes lack of traction
Mad car!
Looks like the m4 poped out of nowhere at 7:20 lol
I was thinking the same 😂
So how would this compare drivability wise, to like a M2 CS? Weren’t they dyno’d with over 450 hp?
Good video
It must have an open differential rather than an LSD. Mine doesn’t spin up anywhere near that and has less sticky tyres.
Look my Channel i have 30 HP 70 NM less than his car but the same M Diff. But i use 255/265 Nankang AR1 Semis i have zero Problems with Traktion. Suspengion not sure what he have
Wonder how the transmission and differential will hold up. Seems like a fun car. At least there are tuners there that can help maintain it if something breaks. How does TUV look at such cars?
Its 3L 6cyl engine its made stronger than the 2L
Considering it has trouble hooking on those tires I don’t think the gearbox is under toooo much strain. It’s shock loading and torque that really gets you.
Sorry Tim, but;
M140i >>>>>>> Your GT Black
(Still liking both of them)
@7:17 when the Porche and BMW hatch pass by a yellow car appears between them as if by magic.
Please tell me this is a hidden feature of the GoPro !
When you say 500bhp, that with upgraded turbo? Or you mean with stock turbo but stage 2+ with e30 racefuel?
I have a Stage 2+ M135i and that's more than enough for the chassis. I also see you didn't turn traction control fully off, that's a problem on the ring. Also making the rear really stiff with an agressive LSD can cause more throttle oversteer. If the tyres are AD08R they are good, the newer version AD08RS are not that good.
Ca 600Nm ?
You were lifting off the throttle all over the place. Was it sliding around under hard acceleration?
I love the way how it sounds when you lift off the gas pedal. What is that called? Does all the b58 engine make that same sound? Or is it the tuning? I’m currently driving a 328i f30 with bm3 and cant create that sound on command, only in snow when tc is kicking. Planning to buy a m340i g20 hope I can let it make that sound too. I remember some bmw m2’s make that sound too.
brap sound can be adjusted depending on the muffler/exhaust. b58 straight pipes sound kinda like that
The car is actually for sale right now on the danish market Bilbasen
Greetings from Denmark! ;)
Rebound on the suspension is too fast, feels like it's riding at the top of the travel and geometry on the rear needs work.
If the b14 bilstein has progressive springs that would explain the handling. Still nice car👌
What’s the topic/reason with progressive springs vs linaer springs
@@vollcare4076 linear is more predictable and stable. Just more suited for track. For the streets progressive give a bit more comfort.
@@TheTechnoaddict yes. They are progressive.
Twitchy , poor balance. That Porsche killed it. Nothing like a real M car M3 /M4 etc. M140i M235i etc. are not real M cars, but a publicity marketing stunt to push sales.
It always bothers me when the tachometer isn't in sync with the engine (at the beginning, the smoothing applied to the tach).
Holy exploitive ***! That must be a handful. Having a Shmee sighting on top of it. Awesome, thanks Misha
If it’s break away oversteer the suspension is too stiff at the back; probably needs a thinner rear ARB and or springs & damping to match. You have respect the smaller wheelbase...
all those horse powers and it took him that long to catch the gti!
Those AD08 RS tyres won't be helping. Yokohama have a disclaimer on their website saying they perform worse now thanks to the EU. A set of AR1s might get the power down better!
What do you think of Bilstein B14? Is it ok for both daily drive and track driving?
i have the B16 on my 125d. Daily drive is really good, only coming off speedbumps is a bit harsch. On the nordschleife is perfect, on gp tracks still a bit too soft. I think it is one off the best for the combination of road and track driving!
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Anyone else notice the phantom 4 series appearing between the Porsche and the 1 series as they overtook going into Breitscheid?! 7:19 It just appears between the oher two cars from nowhere!
Nice driving
It’s crazy to see just how fast a gt3 and Amg gtr are compared to this incredible m140i. Just go to show suspension is a key part also.
GT3 should be same speed in straight line,
But for sure a lot faster in the corner ;)
I was hoping to see the car from outside or quick walkaround at least. Good video though!
Happy Thanksgiving!
nice colour bmw great machine
The way the car wakes up at 7:45 🥺
Who/what tune is the car? Is it on 102?
Not surprised with those tyres...
Quick question please. Does the car have Powerflex subframe inserts? Thanks
Yes according his description
Great car. How is the Oil Starvation on this model? Does it need upgrade for that, to run on big tracks?
Not as the N55 (m135i)
If heavy on track days would recommend baffled sump and catch can. Few instances of 140s engine popping on track due to oil issues
1 series most enjoyable solid RWD hatchback ever except for maintenance
Nothing glides or powers like it, had a 123d stage 2 drove mine dust till dawn 170k then turbo damaged lol just miss how these cars handle
NO! Such thing as to much power! But a diff / Suspension / brake upgrade looks needed.
The 140i is the car from hell!
Funny how modern hatchbacks are just as fast as proper sport/race cars :)
They also cost as much sadly...
Sport+ is great for off the lights but the throttle response is too aggressive for Track, 30% pedal movement is closer 70% compared to other modes. Traction mode or fully off is best.
That was my thought too. I guess the car felt too unforgiven to go DSC off? But adding some traction and ESP aid comes with the cost of that non linear pedal response of the sports +, which I dislike a lot. I kinda hate you have to compromise in the non M car with throtle response - steering weight - traction control / ESP level. I guess thats BMW product distinction strategy. Would be great if we could code the sports+ mode with linear throtle reponse and sporty wheel weight.
@@LuizPauloDT Yes unfortunately Sport+ and Traction both have their own issues. Like you said maybe someone can code it the way you like 🤔
lol all those places you were backing off that you're usually up it
Hi, it was not perfectly clear if the car has an lsd or not? Also what kind of bushings does it have on the rear? Subframe? Thanks
Yes, the owner said it had the 'original' M Performance diff. As it comes with an e-diff not an LSD it sounded a bit weird. Although I believe you could get a dealer fitted M LSD so maybe he meant that?
@@ollyhorne4651 Thank you. I was trying to understand why the rear of the car felt so “twitchy”
It looks like this car would really like to take a bite out of the driver. But sometimes a handful like this can be fun to drive.
Yeah 500hp, 1500kg.
Ive got a 1400kg m135i running 450hp, I'm looking at an underbody brace and an M2 diff.
The N55 I have is running an e20 tune too for that 450hp and 670Nm and the stage 3 8hp At flash. Now the B58 makes 10% more torque for the same horsepower.
I don't feel my M135i, needs more power, it seems less snappy than this m140, but still at 450hp it's a fraction too much power so I need go keep the rear planted a bit better.
I think the under body brace will help it, along with the diff.
This M140i is very torquey and snappy.
I like these CZcams guys. They do crazy stuff so we don't have to. Like their ring cars for example. They over-boost the poor things and flog them unmercifully on the track. No way we would treat our cars like that.
Damn that thing is squirrelly 😂 put a leash on it!
7:19 where did the green car come from? 😳
@7:15 from where does the BMW come :O
Needs upgraded anti rollbar in the front
What the shit? Where did that new M4 come from at 7:20?
Ouuu…until 4:46 I said, thats not fast for 500hp. After you pull full gas…and I said, thats is fast, crazy fast 🤩
Tim disappears at the end.....lol
Looks just about right to me.
7:18 where did that bmw come from???
It's a beast....
0:17 update de software van de gopro. Geen problemen meer erna
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Where the hell the yellow bmw? came from @ 7:21? It came out of nowhere 😅🙄🤯
I kinda enjoyed that lap, maybe because I had headphones on lol...took me a few minutes to realize Misha wasn't driving, what would you change on the car Misha?
He wasnt? Didnt catch that, what makes you think that? Because I think he was...?
Misha, have you tried speaking with GoPro ? Because they might have a solution for your suddenly film stops ! Other than that, if it still on the guarantee I’m pretty sure you can ask them to fix or give you another one !
7:16 where did the bimmer come from wtf this is matrix
Yikes, that thing has WAY more power than it can get to the ground. The ix version might be a more practical idea with all those newton meters to deal with. I checked the wheelbase vs an M3 and it’s only 70mm shorter, so the polar moment shouldn’t be *that* different to cause the unruly behavior. Tires?
Open differential is what I think. Sucks you have to get a M car to get a proper diff.
@@matt2m @ 2:30 Misha says it has an LSD as an aftermarket mod (I think?). 500 hp w/ an open diff *would* be a recipe for disaster!
@@winstonsmith313 Yes but the owner replies that it has the 'original' diff. The stock car has an e-diff, although an M LSD could be dealer fitted so maybe he meant that.
@@ollyhorne4651 I listened to that exchange before the lap began a couple of times and couldn’t really understand what all the mods were on that 140. Maybe Misha will comment. That car just can’t get power down, so maybe no LSD *is* the problem.
@@winstonsmith313 They did say it has got an lsd; "M performance lsd", or else the owner is very ignorant about his own car, but I find that hard to believe . Probably tires, alignment and maybe engine mapping is to blame.
Based on this video Misha, would you like to do a lap in my modified volkswagen golf gti clubsport in the future? Let me know!!
I wish the M140i was sold in Canada.
RWD M140i life !!
Love mine, even though it only has 455bhp/634nm, it's enough for a daily :-))
Only 👀👀
@@ketovoreking5440 I have had it at this power for almost a year now, and it's starting to feel a bit slow :-)
Saving for the next tuning steps at the moment !
@@DjNikGnashers ye I suppose you get used to it after a while but defo still a beast mate
I'm getting golf r soon probably a 2015 to 2016 and then move up after a while my dream hatch is a rs3 the 400bhp standard 💯👌🙌💪
@@ketovoreking5440 I'd be very happy with any of those mate, all very capable cars. I just chose an M140i because they are a bit more 'wild' and unpredictable (and I think that's more fun).
Anyone who think they hit 500bhp stage 2+ on pump fuel are deluded or you have seen a lottery dyno.
They make 460-470bhp absolute max on stock turbo unless you’re running an e30 map. Then you’ll be around 490-500bhp max.