BIG SECRET To a STRONG Pivot & SHOULDER Turn in Golf Swing! 🏌️♂️
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- In today's video, Mike and Shaun are showing you exactly how to make a powerful shoulder turn and pivot with your LEAD shoulder in your golf swing. We've talked often about how much speed and power players lose in their shoulder turn, and the majority of golfers we work with have this exact problem.
We will show you the shoulder turn in the golf swing SIMPLIFIED with video swing analysis and will show you whether you should turn your shoulders in your golf swing or not.
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Really appreciate this content and video. When improving the turn and backswing, how important is it to consider eye dominance and maintained eye contact on the ball?
I’m a right-eye dominant and right handed player who’s always struggled with a shorter turn but then after seeing a short clip Mike posted and this video, I experimented with closing my right eye and just using my left -turn was much bigger. Any guidance on this or future videos that touch this?
Priceless info delivered by two very affable likeable blokes.
Great Channel.
Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words!
Finding you guys has been a blessing. For 20 years I played off my back foot, your re-centering lesson has completely changed my game. I'm no longer casting and coming in steep. For me, the gears software provides the visual learning I respond to best. Thank you.
Awesome, thanks for letting us know the instruction is helping 🙏 Great job incorporating the re-centering into your swing!
Thanks guys, great stuff.
The issue I always had was that despite doing the shoulder turn correctly, I didn't correctly shift the weight into my trail foot (weight went outside of foot late and caused a horrible late hip sway). This caused a reverse pivot, and from there the only place to come is steep and over the top.
Its still something I have a continuous fight with. What really resonated with me was Shaun's comment about how changing something like this and suddenly fix something else that you had no idea were linked in the first place. Its the reason I love golf so much. The worlds most complicated puzzle.
Keep up the good work! (handicap of 6.3 but hope to get a bit lower this season with your help!)
This was great. I'm 53 with little flex but I was able to swoosh my shoulder under my chin and it was very comfortable. Couldn't do it before!
Great video. A golf instructor that works in one of the retail sporting goods store I frequent pointed out this exact issue as being something that I needed to work on before considering upgrading my driver. It feels awkward and very short at first, but when executed properly, it allows me to hit the ball further than I ever hit before.
I was spending loads to time ok the backswing positioning and failed coming back. This drill with the club gave me the right feel and plane. OMG. Now left shoulder past the ball and I don’t have to think about right elbow leading etc etc. it all comes naturally. I am on plane. Didn’t expect that result almost dismissed it. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️Simple feels can make a difference. But everyone is different. Thank you thank you
Glad it helped!!!!
I started thinking about my drives like my tennis serves. Load up the back foot, make sure my right shoulder is turned further than the left, push to the left foot and, keeping the wrist loose, explode to the ball. My drives starting going consistently 320 plus when I started doing this
love it. Keeps it athletic!
I started doing this drill (pivot with club shaft on shoulder) as my practice swing on the course. I immediately started hitting solid shots. Thanks!
Let’s go🙌
@@AthleticMotionGolf I am one of those golfers who tries to pin his lead arm against his chest in an effort to stay connected. This drill is a good antidote.
I find your videos and information more actionable and efficient than any other instruction I have encountered. Would you be willing to discuss the mechanics of hitting draws, fades and straight shots, and what the actual differences in those trajectories entail in the "pro" swing? I've never really seen anything that clearly shows, beyond anecdote, what is happening in the swing for different flights paths. Thank you.
Great idea👏
Brilliant, I think it’s some of your finest work. (I appreciated you guys Not wasting time showing / dwelling on amateur mistakes, you got right to the message, well done).
Hi Mike & Sean, firstly, another great teaching video !! What sets you guys apart is the GEARS technical evidence to back up the information and ideas. I have learnt so much since I became a subscriber. To be honest there are lots of pieces that take some time to grasp or have a ‘oh yeah now I get it’ moment. I’m still battling with working out exactly how the hands/wrists move through the swing (Basically mine had developed poor movement patterns to compensate or resulted from to swing flaws that I’m gradually sorting out) so a deep dive around the hand’s perhaps for a future vid? - I’m a 12 h/cap.
All the best to you fellas and your subscribers for 2022 and beyond.
That's a great idea for a video! We will add it to our "to do" list 👊😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf Glad you like the idea, one more for you to consider, would be to include a ‘close up’ or insert of the hands, as the movements are too ‘subtle’ to really pick up when seen as part of a head to toe view of a golfer.
Another suggestion for you is ‘effective practice’ i.e. how to construct a practice session. I see probably at least 90% of people at a range I use drag, hit, cuss - drag, hit, cuss some more and leave an hour later having learnt little or nothing. I use P.A.R. - Plan, Action, Review to help me work out why I’ve hit a good bad or ugly shot. And I mix it up by working in skills, routine, block practice etc I’ve also started videoing myself which is a great aid. Again hope you are both well and don’t mind me replying to you.
I can't believe how good I struck it tonight after watching this video and the "Pros vs Ams: Shoulder Rotation and Arm Depth!" video...it finally all clicked...I've been working on re-centering and wrist angles forever and this was the missing piece. Thanks so much AMG!
love it!
Thank you for providing another tool in my teaching. Every video helps me as a player and instructor. I’m very, very happy to hear you’re both playing more. Mike, how’s your shoulder feeling post-surgery?
Feels great when I don't play😂. We always appreciate you taking the time to watch🙏💯
@@AthleticMotionGolf where can I get this exact mobility stick?
@@oxtharhino9784 I think it’s called the stretch stick by Randy Myers
Love your content. Mind telling us what Swing Analysis App you use for drawing lines, angles, etc on videos? Looking for something on iOS that doesn’t require uploading the videos from my device. Thanks!
Lovely stuff guys!!!
You guys are the best teachers better than anyone I’ve seen by far
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
The drills are brilliant, thank you
thank yoU!!!
Hi,”swing mirror” is a good way to look at yourself.it’s not a camera with all advantages ,but a good working tool.thank you
Huge help! Great comment👊
Thank you for the post. Whenever a new issue comes up you guys always have a video to fix exactly what I’m currently struggling with. Recently I’ve been focused on my lead shoulder turn, and more specifically how to properly turn to not push my hands away from my body. I’d be really helpful to see a DTL view of how the hands stay on path while turning your shoulder out.
ok we will shoot a video to cover that
That’s a great drill. Jim flick showed me the drill back in the 80s. He called the four step drill. Mike Malaska also had me do the same drill.
Do you have any live lessons with a senior golfer and the adjustments you made? I think many of the senior golfers would find it interesting and helpful
Good reminder. I tend to lift my head slightly approaching the top of my backswing. Perhaps this drill will help me feel the correct position. Any other ideas would be appreciated
I've been following you guys for a couple of years. You continue to provide insights into the various aspects of the golf swing that not only clarify, but also inspire.
So, I'm off to my launch monitor to try to more fully absorb what your video provides.
You can also be sure that I'll re-visit this video several more times in order to internalize and apply the message that you have provided.
As always, thank you!
Love it 🙏 Tell us more about your setup! What size, what LM, etc?
@@AthleticMotionGolf opinion on George gangkas teaching methods?
@@jeffyeah4256 everyone is free to teach what they want :)
This is so helpful. So easy to get wrong. One question. When we get to the end of the backswing and our shoulders have turned 90 degrees hopefully. And we are looking at the ball from that point should it look like the ball is ahead of the tip of the shoulder or more or less in line with left upper part of the left bicept. Not sure what is enough turn when looking from that positionin the backswing. Help😢
Great work, I believe I was dipping instead of turning so I will practice your drill! Thanks
This is really clear. Complements a lesson I recently had but fills in some gaps with the clear explanation, graphics and drill. Thank you.
P.s Could you do an episode on how golf swing is like a throw (side arm?) and how its like a tennis forehand? Comparisons to other athletic actions are really helpful.
It was an article years ago in Golf magazine, a series really, about the X Factor comparing ams to pros, that flubbed me on this correct move. Discussing the difference in spine tilt and how the "pro" turned away from the ball threw me and I truly believe I turned my shoulders almost exactly the way you guys just demonstrated the "incorrect" sway over to the right. Ha, if only I'd known that back then. A little knowledge can be dangerous, thanks again guys for clearing all this up!
You not alone in learning to adopt that shoulder movement based on that article. We still it brought up in lessons this many years later. Has to be one of the all time misapplied bits of info on the swing.
@Athletic Motion Golf The problem with stressing shoulder turn is that the shoulders can turn without moving the rest of the body. IMO, what should be used is turning the chest, which will turn the shoulders, which brings the arms & hands along for the ride. If you turn the chest, the shoulders have to move in sync rather than independently, which will result in only an arm swing with no power.
Thanks fellas definitely helps my slow nights at work be productive 😂🤙🏼
i like that left shoulder movement because i'm left handed but golf righty. i just have to be careful of pulling the right elbow and tricep behind me too much because then i get stuck. thnx for the help.
Love to know how to hinge the wrists in detail. Very much enjoy your videos. Thanks, Russell from Perth, Western Australia
We can cover that for you 👊😊
Love the shoulder movement. I would like to see a down the line view because I have trouble getting my arms deep enough in the backswing. Is there a good time to move your arms up and rotate your forearm slightly to get in a nice slot in the backswing?
Thanks,
Tom
Awesome video! Thanks for the drills!
Similar to the helicopter or windmill drill with the arms. Super effective at training the proper body motion
Great video guys!
🙏👊
Excellent. I did kind of go, WHAT NOW when you mentioned about letting the right upper arm come away from the body. I guess that’s the golf glove under the right armpit concept out of the window. Great video.
That's it 👊
Great video, I really enjoyed this format
Do you guys have a video where you drop lines outside both shoulders like the line you put on the left shoulder in this video?
Awesome content and even though I don’t have this issue I forwarded it for 2 of my friends that it would help!
You're too nice! My playing mates wouldn't share anything that might help 😂
Mike’s calm voice, video length and the academic content usually have me napping just before you get to point.
Hes the Bob Ross of golf instruction....Happy Trees :)
Does Adan Scott stall his hip rotation in the backswing until his hands are in front of his right keg in backswing, or does it just look like he does tks
Always look forward to your videos. Especially like the full player lessons. Can you answer 1 thing for me though in regards to downswing aining? Should I consciously try to make it get duvit/lowpoint in front of ball, or trust the swing will do so in reaction to everything else?
Like this video. I struggle to get the correct movement with the shoulders. I will try these drills. When I strike the ball best is when I can get the inclined torso rotation correct. Doesn’t happen often enough.
thats a big deal for sure!
The comment wasmade to get both the lead shoulder and lead hip behind the ball. Is this correct? Which one leads the movement? Do the shoulders follow the hips or vice versa?
shoulders turn the hips on backswing
You guys are crazy good!!
Thank you!!
more great instruction. thanks guys.
thanks!!!
Shawn and Mike… how can we use the trackman 4 simulator app on our phones to improve… most sim operators are have little experience… the sim records great videos if you understand how to use the trackman system in conjunction with the phone app
Really solid drill
What about pulling the trail shoulder behind the head to stay centered in the backswing? Are there drawbacks to the technique?
Excellent video guys!
👊🙏🏻
I straighten slightly as I approach the top. My shoulders become more level, and my right elbow is behind rather than above the left. I can bend as you show with the stick, but as I swing to the top I lift slightly. Any help?
Continue to love the posts. This is one area that I struggle. Is there a trigger or feel you recommend to start the pivot. 🙏🏻
just a little shift into the lead foot works wonders.
So how does this work for stack and tilt players?
If I was hitting a 70 ward wedge would the shoulders work the same way?????
I was wondering if you advocate lifting the left heel on the takeaway?
What would be the benefit?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I was curious if it would take pressure off the lower left side of the back?
Great video - exactly what I am working on right now - a breakdown on Adam Scott’s swing did not show a left hip transition move - assume it was the camera angle???
What’s the left hip move your looking for?
My assumption is that back swing ends with a sling sway when club is parallel to ground.
@@brianmclean7576 sway forward will START before club is parallel. Many won’t reach club parallel at the top. It does for Scott as well too. Does that answer what u we’re asking?
Seriously what have i improved in 5 years,with the help of AMG, getting down from 11-3 hcp.1 my physical strength and condition 2 i set up behind the ball better(hard to do if like most of us your right eye dominant) 3 Lateral motion is a response to athletic motion not a cause 4 "connection" is an illusion caused by good sequencing, not stuffing things under armpits! 5 my backswing apart from arms is over between club= and left arm = 6 i massively grab/push in to the ground with my feet/glutes against the stretching of my back and chest (this takes strength/conditioning)7 i have taken at least a second off my overall swing from start to finish
great!!
@@AthleticMotionGolf I know,biomechanically, you cant stretch or coil muscles to respond or store power, but thats what it feels like! I must be feeling resistance pressure into the ground. i practice a lot of swings/strikes having stopped at the top,why, to avoid too much strength/effort in the backswing,the paradox being as Hogan said you do want live tension! whatever that is.Every sport ive been good at b4 golf, tennis,cricket etc you could start from the top sure that applies to baseball too.
Great Video ⛳
What's Your Location 🏌️♂️
We teach in GA and now FL👍
Yep, we’re all working on the same issues
100 percent
Can you do this move and lift your left heel without swaying?
Sure. But what’s the point of wanting to lift your heel?
So how will I be able to watch all your videos before the golf season? In sweden we have about a month before it starts and I need to digest every single bit!!! Jokes aside, great chanel and insights!
thanks!!!! :)
Good video.
Does it seem that a one piece take away allows the front shoulder to start at the same time? Rather than the hands going back first with limited shoulder turn?
It a big fan of a OPT, there is a sequence to when things move to start the swing.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Do you guys agree with that most golfers learn the wrong things well, so we’ll, that they can play golf, but it’s why most don’t get better. The challenge is for golfers to relearn the right things poorly at first, practice what you guys say and teach, then golfers can play knowing the right things well!
Thanks for the effort to help golfers.
I feel like I'm watching a southern version of Me n My Golf with the way yall are wearing the same thing 🤣
Looks more like a weight loss before and after to me 😂
How about showing an above head gears view on pros with a look at left shoulder, right shoulder, and center/neck point (like you've done for depth and width videos) since face-on video show illusions and don't display the 3-dimensional aspect of the movement?
We’ve done that in the past and will certainly do more of it in the future, but we also get a lot of requests to show what those 3D movements look like in traditional 2D views. We have always captured players in 3D while simultaneously capturing them in 2D. It’s super beneficial to “see” what the 3D data looks like in 2D 🤓
What are those matching T-Shirts that say, "Sinko De Moro?" You've stumped me and Google Translate.
Sinko Se Moro = Sink Some More 😄 For our new putting training aid.
You're basically are teaching great info. My concern is leaning towards internal cues, and who you are showing. Novice or low handicap players. Studies have shown using external cues are much more effective than internal cues when it comes to accomplished players. Where as internal cues may be more helpful for novice players. Agree?
ive been doing this over 20 years. It just depends on the person in front of you and how they can make a change. I will say this...no amount of external cues will help someone that has a bad concept.
The sad fact is you are showing great athletic golfers producing great athletic motion to unathletic and /or old weekend warriors!Its taken me 2 yrs of strength /conditioning, and your great videos, to finally enable my back,core and most importantly my chest muscles to stretch/load whist keeping my arms soft.Yes im hitting it 20yds further but at 61 somethings gonna go soon! Just hope i shoot some sub-par rounds b4 it does!
I basically stretch my chest into my right toe,obv rubbish but works for me! Seriously ive done a 101 types of turn and 101 drills and 101 home made teaching aids! Istill use the rope,the see-saw,the stick in handle But an old towel on the end of an old shaft and kettlebells has finally given me athletic motion!
Stick mobility! The secret to my distance gains!
i love that thing. Do you do the whole golf program ?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I do but I find any of their work outs are great on CZcams
Shouldn't this drill include some spine tilt to the right?
Tried this, a lot more of a body turn but for the life of me can’t stop swaying head , my head does seem to almost recenter at the top but too much movement 🤦♂️
Does the head movement stop you making good contact with the ball? I. Struggle to keep my head still, always told to stop moving it, then I watch the pros and Rorys head is all over the place! But I don't hit it like him so I'll keep trying to stay central
Trying feeling the right shoulder turn behind you and back towards the target. This usually corrects the head sway off the ball.
Impressive flexibility, Mike!
Just to add: The drill you show here is great but spending a few minutes working using a foam roller or doing some T-spine mobilisation first would make it a lot easier.
As would working on correcting the internal rotation of the shoulders that you mention. You will never hit a golf ball correctly if you are not able to correctly move your shoulders when you are not hitting a golf ball. Same applies to the other main movers in the body such as the hips.
It surely will 👍
You ought to show this move from the down the line view....
An old drill advocated by Jim Flick
Never seen Jim do this drill, but it's not surprising. He had some great ones.
Too cute u wore the same shirt
bahhaha not on purpose
I love your stuff but I do wish you would stop repeating the stereotype about "old" golfers not having range of motion.
I'm 62 and move more freely with less pain than at any time in my entire adult life.
The reason is not rocket science. I simply spend a few minutes every day concentrating on improving my movement patterns. Each and every time adds a bit more range and repeated over days then months then years this ends up being transformational.
The main reason people have issues moving is not age but decades of moving only in a limited way and often in the wrong way. This can be reversed.
There is a clue in your name "Athletic Motion" can be trained and even if seemingly lost it can be regained. You may not get to 100% of what you were at 25 but you can for sure get a lot better.
IMO all golf instruction should include basic mobility drills that simply do no more than aim to diagnose and fix basic issues that affect everything you do, not just your golf swing.
e.g. if you cannot easily lift your arms straight over your head or are unable to squat with good form you have an issue that not only affects how you will hit a golf ball but how you will live your life.
I think you should reach out to guys like Kelly Starrett and work with him so that your subscribers take steps towards simply being able to move freely, normally and without pain.
This has to start with a positive message that, at any age, if you do little and often in terms of mobility it can make a positive change. It will make you a better golfer but also be one of the most important ways to ensure your later years lived well.
Point taken, but it's not a stereotype at all. Mobility can always be improved with the proper work, as you pointed out. But it is a physiological fact that we lose mobility as we get into our senior years. I think it's great that you've made it a point to stave off the affects of Father Time 👏