Veritas got it WRONG! Sharpening System Review
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- I’m in the shop today checking out the Veritas Sharpening System. The honing guide is really well made, but the bevel setup tool needs a redesign. I’ll go into detail about how I get it to work for me, as well as a good look into how the system works. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss upcoming videos! @themountaintopjoinersshop8422 @WoodByWrightHowTo
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Which honing guide do you use? Do you free-hand?
I have the "Veritas Sharpening System" and used it for the first time. The only thing was making sure the chisel or plane iron was square. A small square would fit to line up the chisel. Your video was helpful. Thanks again
@waltjwinjo8689 thank you for watching! My goal is to always be helpful and make your day better.
I use the same guide but find the same issue with it. It is accurate if you have the patience to use it. I have checked it’s accuracy with the use of a digital angle finder also marketed by Lee Valley. The setup blocks on a sharpening board work well if you take the time to set it up correctly. Different strokes for different folks. 🇨🇦👍👨🦳
I mostly free hand, but I use a jig when I lose the plot, or if there is damage to grind out. I often recommend that people have the no brainer tool as a backup but try to be primary with the more efficient, or versatile manual technique. There are lots of tools one can't jig, or at least there is no jig for. Sharpening is the most important foundational skill.
Another example of the crutch is a cornering tool for drywall. I try to lay corners in off the knife, but I don't do a lot of drywall. If I goof the corner, I will whip out the tool.
So here is another similarity for those two processes. Plasterers, sometimes regarded as more skilled, have to use a cornering toll because they don't have a firm surface to rest a taping knife on. And I was a little shocked to learn that master Japanese planing contest contestants, used the most extreme jigs I had ever seen for sharpening. Also using microscopes to tell whether they had finished with a grit. So in each case, the image of master craftsman was that they had the magic hand skill, but it also turns out they used jigs when they made sense. No surprise really.
This answers the questions I had about this guide. Many thanks.
No problem! Hope you enjoy the channel my friend
@@Pynefurnishings Subbed thanks to this. Cheers.
So, you do indeed have the original Veritas sharpening guide. Don't despair, I've been using it for over 25 years and don't plan to change. Some suggestions: when setting an angle, the individual angles have a flat facet under the rotating piece, so simply ensure your iron/chisel is flat against this surface, then slide the guide on so the big roller is flat on the base. I will do this on the edge of my workbench, then crouch down and look at the side to ensure alignment. A quick check with a small square ensures alignment. I do use the microbevel feature, makes things fast and repeatable. Keep at it!
Thank you! The build quality is very good on the piece. It’ll just take some practice haha
I have their original guide from the early 80s. It was a thick block of aluminum with 4 angles on it, I think the 25 and 30 where on the same level, and could be spun. But one had to unscrew the whole block to get the other two bevels. This version had a much larger registration surface. The long time ago redesigned one they still market has all the bevels on the same plane, and you can just rotate it. Not an improvement.
Using either system is a feel thing, not an eye thing. One could do it eyes closed. It doesn't mater if the bevel blocks are square to the surface. Or as Franz Klauzs would say, "maybe you need a square if you are very beginer". But no, one doesn't need it to be square, so long as the roller catches the flat. Just drop the blade in there and let it flop against the angle, then snug the guide into position. Easy.
That said, your extension method is great, and one doesn't end up saddled with a gauge for the following 45 years.
If you are doing micro bevels, you should be better off using the adjustment on the roller. It is the jig's best feature. Low angle micro bevels are better as you don't need to remove as much material when you go back to the coarser grits. It should also save you a lot of time, as all you need to do is rotate the adjuster a quarter turn, rather than reset the angle entirely.
You’re making this into a much bigger issue than it is. If you read the instructions carefully, they tell you to use a small square to set the tool in the jig. Sighting the tool to the correct angle is no big deal.
Good point. I tend to blow things out of proportion regularly haha. It’s a good jig overall. Thanks for watching!
In addition to those design shortcomings, another is that the spindle is not stainless steel, so it corrodes inside the brass/bronze roller if you use water stones. Also the threaded brass clamp has a tendency to slack off during use. Feedback like that to Veritas would be a good springboard for a product update to address and remedy the flaws pointed out and make a market leader
This is one of the best and most helpful comments I have ever received on a video. Thank you for sharing it. I’m hoping the Mark 2 is a better choice, because I do enjoy Veritas. They have that modern flair
You bought the wrong one. The Veritas Mk II Honing Guide is amazing and easy to use. It is more money of course, but it is very well made and worth it. I can't believe they sell that thing.
Agreed. This must have been “Mark 1” and then they followed “continuous improvement “ and made the MK 2. I want it so bad, but my budget is going towards getting my shop more CZcams friendly and finished haha. I really enjoy your thoughts, and thank you for watching honestly. It does mean a lot to me.
Wow! Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Interesting video, I have the same guide but haven't used it yet. Will let you know how it works out. Thanks. Hello from Canada
Please keep me updated! Thanks for watching, it’s great to have you as part of the family.
BTW did you happen to read the instructions for the honing guide ,on the Lee Valley website? @@Pynefurnishings assets.leevalley.com/Original/10091/33001-veritas-sharpening-system-c-01-e.pdf
Good video. I like your approach. I'll be watching and wish you well with your channel. I had the same issue with a Trend honig guide and setup jig. I like the DIY stops myself. Take care, Darren
Thank you sir! I hate having to shop on a budget, because I feel like over the years I have wasted so much money being cheap rather than buying premium. But with a wife and three kids, you gotta try stuff like this out haha. I will definitely be ordering more Veritas. Thanks for watching. Your support means more than you know.
I hope you continue to grow your channel. Good luck. I am actually surprise that Veritas still sales that sharpening jig. I think the new side clamping is a better guide and cheaper. You should buy one and review it and the make your own registry jig.
I’ve seen that one! I need to get it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family.
What are the measurements off the edge?
Well I set mine up to match the guide, and each jig may be different. Lie-Neilson has a free PDF with measurements on their website. Here is the link: d3h1zj156zzd4j.cloudfront.net/pdf/LNT-angle-setting-jig-2019.pdf
I have the same one as you!@@Pynefurnishings
Just get a Worksharp. Using a slope is enormously better than a honing guide and measuring protrusion. It’s quick and repeatable. No accessories needed. Also cheaper in the long term and no water or oil mess. Polish with a buffing wheel.
I’ll check it out. I’m all for simple and quick haha
Gadgets, unnecessary gadgets. White collar tools for blue collar workers. A perfectly sharpened plane iron, chisel, spokeshave, router or plow plane can be achieved without all this fancy nonsense.
I’ve been practicing with freehand sharpening my chisels. Hopefully soon I can graduate beyond these training wheels haha. Thank you for watching!