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  • čas přidán 18. 12. 2022
  • Hello everybody! Welcome to another lore theory video here on the channel. Today, we are exploring the city of Darnassus and exploring the possibility that parts of it are NOT what they seem!
    All footage retrieved from Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft (2004-).
    Background Music: "Shalandis Isle Theme" from the WoW TBC OST
    #wow #wotlkclassic #mmo
    Outro Music: "You're The One Acoustic Rehearsal" by Greta Van Fleet
    Jediwarlock 2022
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Komentáře • 287

  • @Jediwarlock
    @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +68

    Important Clarifications:
    1.) Yes, it turns out the most widely-accepted pronunciation is TELL-Dra-Sil, not Tel-DRASS-IL like I was saying it in this video... I honestly use the correct way most of the time but thought it was wrong for some reason XD Will remember for next time!
    2.) I probably could have mentioned this or said this better, but yes, the Night Elves were immortal from the time of the Sundering until the end of WC3. As such, there are probably some architects/builders who were still alive and capable of building the old-style temples and monuments. However, with the general trend we see of pretty much every other modern Night Elf building in Classic WoW tending to be the wooden, organic variety, I am theorizing that it makes more sense for the temple to be from an older time. This theory is still just a theory of course, and so this point is pretty much just conjecture for fun. :)

    • @christopherdaffron8115
      @christopherdaffron8115 Před rokem

      Which is correct pronunciation of Hyjal; HI-JAL or HI-Jil ?

    • @BootyCrusader
      @BootyCrusader Před rokem +3

      Also… it’s “Auberdyne” not Auberdeen???? Mind blown. I’m gonna keep calling it Auberdeen

    • @domination2970
      @domination2970 Před rokem

      we will see when the replacement gets planted in retail. If you‘re right (and blizz doesn fk this up), there wont be any stone buildings there

    • @BlinkyB23
      @BlinkyB23 Před rokem +1

      Don't be too hard on yourself; people are so into correcting each other on the internet. I bet people have lots of funny mis-pronunciations from this game 😂 I've always been confused about Nagrand. I thought it was Nah-Grand. Then I listened to some audio books (I think, can't recall) and heard it pronounced like Nay-Grynd? I still stand by Nah-Grand. It sounds more, well...Grand lol. I thought your video was very thought-provoking and well-done, thanks for putting it out there!

    • @christopherdaffron8115
      @christopherdaffron8115 Před rokem

      @@BlinkyB23 I agree. Correct or not, some Name Place pronunciations just sound better than others.

  • @Jakeito413
    @Jakeito413 Před rokem +91

    It's worth noting that Teldrassil was actually grown on a pre-existing island named Kalidar. It's possible that these older buildings were already there and were lifted up with the tree.
    That's the only way I can see this theory holding water beyond them just having built them after Teldrassil was grown and then used druidic magic to bind the stones with vines.

    • @Hypnotically_Caucasian
      @Hypnotically_Caucasian Před rokem +16

      Druids: *use magic to raise giant tree out of the ocean*
      Tree: *resurfaces ancient kaldorei structures*
      Night elves: “It’s free real estate!”
      Sylvannas Windrunner:

  • @RetroOrion
    @RetroOrion Před rokem +48

    These are the type of videos CZcams was made for! Congrats on the massive jump in subs, Jediwarlock! I hopped in I think just after you hit 1k, and honestly the growth in subs is well earned! Great voice, great video recordings, a non-rambling script, and edited together just right!

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +5

      Thank you very much for your support! I appreciate the kind words. :)

    • @tehjamerz
      @tehjamerz Před rokem

      When youtube came out nobody was making videos like this, it wasn't worth the bandwidth

  • @Donnirononon
    @Donnirononon Před rokem +103

    Keep on going mate, you are going to be known WoW CZcamsr if you stay at it

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +11

      Thank you very much! :)

    • @kattn01
      @kattn01 Před rokem +4

      @@Jediwarlock yeah, you've got that voice and cadence too of a good wow "lore" and curiosities youtuber

    • @joshstraub6972
      @joshstraub6972 Před rokem +1

      He's got that wow tuber spirit for sure

    • @ytwoquake
      @ytwoquake Před rokem +2

      @@kattn01 He's also got that "I have to put a finger on the page when reading something so I know where I am otherwise I'm confused and get lost" vibe

  • @rikaika4178
    @rikaika4178 Před rokem +16

    There's an easy fusion of the "white stone was brought..." story and your theory. None of those ruins we've found on shores, deep in oceans, or scattered across the world were in perfect shape. After the sunken ruins were lifted by the growing tree, the elves could have been using that transported stone to repair the temple and rededicate it. I always thought of it as an "Atlantis being risen from the water" location, especially when considering it's very recent creation.

  • @cruros9084
    @cruros9084 Před rokem +13

    I always felt that the lore surrounding teldrassil was kinda a plot hole and never considered that Darnassus could have already existed on an island and been lifted up by the growth of teldrassil beneath it. Good theory.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you very much! :) I like your thinking.

  • @CadaverJunky8
    @CadaverJunky8 Před rokem +6

    I never liked that Darnassus was only supposed to be a few years old, because the whole vibe of the place feels ancient. All the buildings and ruins LOOK like they've been there for thousands of years. But I suppose they could have just been raised with the tree, or moved there.

  • @Lazydino59
    @Lazydino59 Před rokem +7

    A small part of me was expecting this dude to start carbon dating the marble structures

  • @jofvenom
    @jofvenom Před rokem +24

    absolutely epic video. keep em coming because this is beautiful, authentic and just what true and oldschool wow enjoyers appriciate

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Thank you so much! More adventures soon to come :)

  • @forteh
    @forteh Před rokem +18

    Another great video, I really appreciate your calm storytelling

  • @Duude34
    @Duude34 Před rokem +5

    "Ancient Apocalypse" Azeroth edition :D. Nice job, keep rocking!

  • @cole8834
    @cole8834 Před rokem +8

    Counterpoint:
    the architects who built Darnassus were also alive and kicking 10,000 years ago and carried the same style in their own head* all the way into the present.
    Talking "modern vs ancient" Night Elf society is kind of not useful. Most Night Elves are presumably over 10,000 years old.
    And talking about Teldrassil having rock... well, the thing is... in classic WoW they very consciously omitted all mining nodes from the zone. It is the only zone in the game without them. I think it's pretty hard to read that as anything other than "yeah this is just a giant tree." soil on top yes, but soil =/= prexisting rock.
    Additonally, although it's from Catacylsm; the lower city of Zin'azshari in the CoT dungeon uses the wooden architectural style you say is the "modern" style. It seems, in reality, like many real life cultures, there are tiers of building styles. The most expensive and complex Night Elf buildings are marble and built in a pseudo-classical style. The cheaper common buildings are wooden and pseudo-oriental. Compare the hut-like dwellings of rural Romans to the lavish palaces of the Emperors, for example. A single culture can have multiple coexisting styles of architecture.
    All this taken together with the novel excerpt about the transportation of stone to Teldrassil, I think we can assume that 10,000 year old architects used the same style of architecture they learned 10,000 years ago to build Darnassus recently. They did not just so happen to know the ancient building styles; they were around when said styles were taught.
    sorry for effortposting in direct opposition to the video premise lol. this is a great video or else I couldn't effortpost about it :)

    • @theoran7968
      @theoran7968 Před rokem +3

      Exactly, for example High Priestess Tyrande and Malfuion have been alive and married for over 10,000 years. Additionally, The sisterhood of Elune existed before the sundering. So of course they would want to use similar architecture for their temple as back then. Which is probably why the stone is said have been brought to Teldrassil.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Very good points! I appreciate the time you put into your thoughtful reply... this type of discussion is great! :)

    • @mw2984
      @mw2984 Před rokem

      yeah not onyl they were most likely kicking still, elves in general and mostly the kaldorei were not really the progress oriented kind of being. With immortality comes stagnation (very often hand in hand in literature) So that falls bit apart. And one other really important point... the tech was just not good enugh to have a vast variety of different assets in the coding :D IMO never fixed on only ingame stuff.

  • @Daneeeeeh
    @Daneeeeeh Před rokem +6

    There are no words to describe how much I love your videos
    You make me feel like I were young again, exploring and living wow with the same awe as the one I had back then

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Aw, thank you very much for the kind words! That means a lot :)

  • @allonzehe9135
    @allonzehe9135 Před rokem +12

    Is it Tell-drasal? I always pronouced it tel-dra-sil.

    • @PandoricaLost
      @PandoricaLost Před rokem +5

      I've always pronounced it Tel-dra-sil too 🤷‍♀

    • @RetroOrion
      @RetroOrion Před rokem +1

      @@PandoricaLost TBH, either works as long as the other person knows what you're talking about, but the official way (The original NE intro, and how Anduin pronounced it in the one cinematic) is Tel-Dra-Sil. ( czcams.com/video/mIJn2elk5r4/video.html ) I had always said Tel-Dras-ill before that, and sometimes still do when I don't instantly remember the official way.
      Also, how do you pronounce Feralas? I say "Feral-As" but I know somebody who calls it "Fer-Ralas"

    • @bashvash
      @bashvash Před rokem +2

      Same

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +4

      You all are correct, I am wrong XD I usually pronounce it the correct way but switched entirely for this video because I thought I always said it wrong!

    • @allonzehe9135
      @allonzehe9135 Před rokem +3

      @@Jediwarlock Happens to the best of us. Loving these WoW vids. It's not often anymore that there's something about that game I haven't already learned. Speaking of, video idea; deep dive on grey items.

  • @joe1478
    @joe1478 Před rokem +11

    The night elves were immortal, so it could be the same architects that built Azshara. It wouldn't be long lost knowledge... Just playing devil's advocate, I actually prefer your take on it.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you for the feedback! I like your thinking :)

  • @GhostWarrior334
    @GhostWarrior334 Před rokem +8

    I remember leveling here as a kid, love this video. They could have also used the white stone to help rebuild it (but idk if rebuilding it could have been possbile, plus here is the Kaldorei language Darnassian we have never been given a reason its called that. It could be when they raised this ancient city of Darnassus they named their language after it to show a new start for an old race/city.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      I like your thoughts! Thank you for the thoughtful comment :)

  • @TRG29338
    @TRG29338 Před rokem +4

    This is like the warcraft version of tartaria

  • @DrFunk-rk6yl
    @DrFunk-rk6yl Před rokem +3

    Darnassus is my favorite capital. The whole starting area for the night elves (pre-cataclysm) is gorgeous.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Yesss! One of my faves! :)

    • @johnotero7714
      @johnotero7714 Před rokem

      That's why I could never level anything in eastern kingdoms. You REALLY get the fantasy while leveling there. Fighting demons and nagas, harpys. Imagine your first toon as a human in West fall?? Borrrinnnggg

  • @s1cktrcks
    @s1cktrcks Před rokem +6

    another Jediwarlock banger

  • @GustavoNoronha
    @GustavoNoronha Před rokem +4

    Great choice of song ;D

  • @Moormanar
    @Moormanar Před rokem +6

    As always one of the best video on WOW!

  • @SnugMoney
    @SnugMoney Před 9 dny +1

    While I think the reason is mainly that the programmers forgot that the island is only four years old, I very much prefer your theory. Keep of the good work, Jediwarlock! These videos are highly entertaining.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před 4 dny

      Thanks so much! :) I'm glad you're enjoying them.

  • @warlordtf9608
    @warlordtf9608 Před rokem +6

    I thought the asset was just used to tie in the Naga and the night elves personally. More of a technical constraint rather than a lore implication. Although you make a point the marbled structures are solely used for High elf, or naga construction. Understand that Hyjal was going to be part of the base game and it connects the dots a bit more actively as I'd imagine they would've paid that off at that point. But suspending the technical part of this. Teldrassil was planted in retaliation to losing the World tree, so assuming Kalidar is an island that once married to aurberdine, of which there are many ruins of white marble so, plausible i guess

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you for the thoughtful comment! :) I like those points a lot!

    • @warlordtf9608
      @warlordtf9608 Před rokem

      @thewanderingm2670 all of the 'dorei stem from highborne no? I thought it was only the loss of the font that lead them to find other sources of power, hence the divide of Moonwell elves, sunwell elves, nightwell elves etc.

  • @IceCaller01
    @IceCaller01 Před rokem +1

    Randomly came across your video and I’m so glad I did! 10+ year WoW Alumni here and seeing the places in your video was so nostalgic!! Really enjoyed your theory as well!! Subscribed!! ☺️☺️

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words :)

  • @Amalgtaid
    @Amalgtaid Před rokem +1

    Very nice :) I played a long time as a night elve, but I never saw this kind of obvious different between buildings

  • @Aerthal
    @Aerthal Před rokem +2

    You're bringing some great lore and logistical points. Probably devs at the time didn't give much thought into it but finding a way to make it all click is a great way to revive our collective love for lore and warcraft stories...
    Thanks for such a great video, it's great content, keep it up!

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! You are very welcome :)

  • @zerofailepic7762
    @zerofailepic7762 Před rokem +1

    Good video! I like the focus on the old zones

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you! The Old World is what I'm all about :)

  • @danielclow
    @danielclow Před rokem +1

    I like your videos, it helps me with my English, you pronunciation is clear and calm, I can understand the 99% :D
    Darnassus is my fav city too and I never thought about its age, your theory is good but as always, the scriptwriters of Blizzard would say: "It was magic :D"

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you very much! Haha, yes, I think Blizzard does use that as an excuse sometimes XD

  • @vanhasydan4754
    @vanhasydan4754 Před měsícem +1

    Considering there are multiple locations in the would that match the temple especially, yes, it only makes sense that some of Darnasas is ancient but cleaned and repaired.

  • @goshlike76
    @goshlike76 Před rokem +1

    never put much thought on that, but this makes me want to dive deep into the lore of Darnassus. Great video!

  • @murphybeats8695
    @murphybeats8695 Před rokem +1

    This is a pretty cool theory! Great content as always Jedi!!

  • @ensar3752
    @ensar3752 Před rokem +1

    Earned a new sub, keep this up. Good stuff!

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you very much! :) Welcome to the Jedi Order!

  • @MrKaar9012
    @MrKaar9012 Před rokem +2

    love this, glad i found ur channel

  • @roundninja
    @roundninja Před 9 měsíci +1

    I feel like the devs were just running out of time and reskinned a few ruin models to use as Teldrassil buildings. But it would be nice to get a canon explanation of why the city has two drastically different types of architecture mixed together, and why some of it looks at least a century older than the rest.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Yes! You make some good points. :)

  • @Draedaja
    @Draedaja Před rokem +2

    Ooh, it's been so long since I've seen Darnassus...

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      It's been a while since Battle for Azeroth :')

  • @teej143
    @teej143 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Gosh I love and miss Darnassus. I hope the new night elf home will be worthy of it's beautiful, yet doomed, predecessor. I just might visit it again tonight before tomorrow's patch.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před 7 měsíci

      I hope the new capital city will be awesome! :D

  • @vernemeton
    @vernemeton Před rokem +1

    night elves who "just so happen to know the ancient building style" ... i mean, there are several night elves around that were alive during the sundering. sure, the most well known are their leaders, but it's also possible that every day folk survived the sundering, so it is neither inconceivable nor far out there to think that maybe an architect or two survived the sundering and they would definitely know the ancient styles.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I like your thoughts... you make a good point! :) I mentioned that a bit in my pinned comment... definitely there would be some people still around who would know how to make those buildings!

  • @theonetruemorty4078
    @theonetruemorty4078 Před rokem +1

    "That which was sunken shall rise." I think we're going to see the ancient Kaldorei Empire emerge from the sea.

  • @Leid4733
    @Leid4733 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the fresh take on the wow content community!

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      You are most welcome! Thank you for the comment. :)

  • @tysondowney3659
    @tysondowney3659 Před rokem +2

    Yay, a new channel to binge

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I’m glad you’re enjoying my videos! :)

  • @Garouwerks
    @Garouwerks Před rokem +1

    First time I have heard this theory. Really great take on things!

  • @depressedpacito7024
    @depressedpacito7024 Před rokem +3

    Giant hole in your theory. In the lore of WoW before the Sundering the Elves all lived closest to the middle of Azeroth, closest to the Well of Eternity which was a massive source of arcane energy the High elves as they were initially magic users and post sundering all elf tribes ushered their own origins. Blood elves kept magic, night elves went to nature, trolls are deformed elves. And so on. In the end Teldrassil is just another landmass that was once the elven capital, hence the architecture being similar to all elven structures. Before Teldrassil became their home however the dragon aspects gave them Mount Hyjal and a world tree seed, which they gave another after the destruction of Hyjal by Archimonde. Now Teldrassil has a world tree without the magical properties.
    The magical properties came from the tree's location being on top of magic ley lines. Hence giving the Elves immortality, same thing with the well of eternity. Elves are ancient, and due to that their architecture is everywhere on all sides of the globe. Even pandaria and Northrend before the sundering.
    Just a reminder also that the more wooden structures are a night elf only structure. Meaning those are their recent developments. Including making homes in trees.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you for the thoughtful comment! I am not seeing exactly what you are emphasizing as the theory hole in this, though.
      Not all Night Elves lived close to the Well of Eternity, the Kaldorei Empire stretched across a vast region of Old Kalimdor and included the west coast as well (old Darkshore, area near Teldrassil, etc.). You can see this in Classic WoW in places like Ameth'Aran where there is lore discussing how those cities fell during the Sundering.
      As far as I know, the elves' immortality does not come from the new Well of Eternity at Hyjal as it did at the original Well; it is dependent on the blessings of the Dragon Aspects placed on the tree, specifically Nozdormu, who did not grant his blessing on Teldrassil and is the reason the elves do not get immortality from the new tree. Nordrassil was created to shield Azeroth from the Legion's attempts to use the new Well... the energy source itself does not grant the elves immortality, hence why when Nordrassil is damaged at the end of WC3 by the wisps, that is when the elves begin to age. The energy source here is still intact as we can see when it re-opens in Cataclysm.
      I am agreeing with you the wood structures are recent, Night Elf-only structures. My main point here is that when Teldrassil was created, the old marble parts of an ancient ruin were lifted up and possibly restored to their current state, and the wooden houses and shops were added alongside them to complete the city.

    • @mw2984
      @mw2984 Před rokem +1

      Just one thing. Trolls are not deformed elves because I believe the elves origin was that the massive arcane magic formed trolls into the elves. So basically elves are deformed trolls... guess that was the intent joke with that from the story writers

    • @NealioSir
      @NealioSir Před rokem

      "In the lore of WoW before the Sundering the Elves all lived closest to the middle of Azeroth, closest to the Well of Eternity"
      Incorrect. the Kingdom of the Elves spanned over 70% of the continent with remote outposts and cities everywhere.
      "Blood elves kept magic, night elves went to nature, trolls are deformed elves"
      Incorrect. After the Sundering Malfurion exiled all elves who chose to continue using arcane magic. These were high elves. The night elves continued to practice nature magic imparted them by the Wild Gods. Technically from game mechanic standpoint they still used arcane spells as Moonfire and Starfire are arcane. Blood elves was not even a term until after Arthas sacked Silvermoon City. Trolls are not deformed elves. Elves evolved from a specific clan of dark trolls that first discovered the Well of Eternity and were altered by the arcane magic within.
      "Before Teldrassil became their home however the dragon aspects gave them Mount Hyjal and a world tree seed, which they gave another after the destruction of Hyjal by Archimonde. Now Teldrassil has a world tree without the magical properties.
      The magical properties came from the tree's location being on top of magic ley lines. Hence giving the Elves immortality, same thing with the well of eternity"
      Mostly incorrect. Nordrassil was planted by Alexstraza in the center of the Well of Eternity. It was the blessing of Nordrassil by the Aspects that gave elves their immortality. Teldrassil was grown by Staghelm planting an acorn from Nordrassil. Teldrassil is indeed a world tree with magical properties. It was not blessed by the Aspects to impart immortality.

    • @johnotero7714
      @johnotero7714 Před rokem

      @@NealioSir all the elves had their own wells. Sunwell, the Well of Eternity , the Nightwell, kinda wild.

  • @iwidowqueen2276
    @iwidowqueen2276 Před rokem +2

    Keep up the good work love your wow videos:)

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Thank you very much! Your WoW selfie profile picture is very cool! :)

    • @iwidowqueen2276
      @iwidowqueen2276 Před rokem

      @@Jediwarlock ❤

  • @tranquilcoast
    @tranquilcoast Před rokem +1

    Love the deep dives! I got really into WoW again this year and these are so interesting

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you very much! I'm glad you are enjoying them :)

  • @CoverCode
    @CoverCode Před rokem +3

    They could also just have moved parts of old structures up there, it’s very common in real world history to take parts of ruins as building blocks, so it could just be that

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      I like that idea as well! Instead of building brick by brick more of a large-scale transportation… very neat idea! :)

  • @andreaskallstrom9031
    @andreaskallstrom9031 Před rokem +1

    Absolutely amazing video. Thank you so much!

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      You are most welcome! Glad you enjoyed it :) I plan on making more in the future!

  • @joaoandarilhodosol1781
    @joaoandarilhodosol1781 Před rokem +2

    Great as always!!! 👏👏👏

  • @yetigaming8711
    @yetigaming8711 Před rokem +2

    Dont need to use jedi mind tricks on us to click on the video looking forward to more!

  • @cristian_marino
    @cristian_marino Před 4 měsíci +1

    The ruins of Isildien have some buildings that are exactly the same like in Darnassus , the Temple of the Moon for example. So I would guess Blizzard just uses the same building models cuz its more practical.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před 4 měsíci

      That's probably the most likely scenario :D

  • @GuyverQ30
    @GuyverQ30 Před rokem +1

    I am sad that this city is gone. It was beautiful and I loved leveling my night elves there. =(

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Agreed! When I heard about if burning down in Battle for Azeroth I was very sad! :(

    • @johnotero7714
      @johnotero7714 Před rokem

      Can't wait for the new one!!! They BETTER make it a capital city in a later on expansion.

  • @Machuell_DuLac
    @Machuell_DuLac Před rokem +1

    I'd imagine that when the world tree grew, it pulled up ruins in much worse shape than we see in game (ie no two stones on top of each other). I imagine they basically used them as lego blocks to build some of the pretty buildings, but since the temple of the moon was so large, they had to import more stone from the mainland to finish it. After all, there's plenty of old ruin blocks on the beaches of Night Elf territories.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I like that idea! It makes sense that the ruins wouldn't be fully intact at that point in time.

  • @maricelsereda1169
    @maricelsereda1169 Před rokem +1

    nice theory man, it does explain the stone

  • @nakenmil
    @nakenmil Před rokem +2

    Damn, I've been theorycrafting on and off (mostly off these last years lol) in WoW since vanilla, but I've never seen this before. I really like this idea, it makes a lot of sense, and perhaps more importantly, it just adds something interesting to Teldrassil.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you very much! If you think of any ideas for future videos let me know… I’d love to make a theory or two with ya! :)

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish Před rokem

      I did always wonder about the marble yeah

  • @Shredow2
    @Shredow2 Před rokem +6

    Ahh, the old "Darnassus were Highborne Ruins lifted up by the growing tree" theory. There's a great deal of evidence that this is true as you've covered. It's a shame Darnassus is no more but maybe now that Metzen is returning somebody can ask him about it.
    Also, yeah, the Stormrage novel crap is just another example of Knaak not thinking too deeply about World Building. A VERY common problem with the majority of WoW's novelists.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you for the thoughtful comment! You make some good points :)

    • @havokan45
      @havokan45 Před rokem

      Reports are a new Night Elf Tree will be add back to the game the fun part is where it will end up . One of the rumors it may end up in the Gilnaes revamped area but we aren't given a timeline when both are said to be updated .

    • @Shredow2
      @Shredow2 Před rokem

      @Jack Marcuson You're an idiot. Metzen created the warcraft lore. Warcraft 1 was a barebones warhammer clone, warcraft 2's story was Metzens brainchild. Its so silly that people are still angry about the Draenei Retcon nearly twenty years later and also blame Metzen for TBC's character deaths when those were almost certainly pushed for by the game design leads who wanted big name figures as raid bosses.

  • @charlesv5h975
    @charlesv5h975 Před rokem +1

    Great vid! Love the pseudo-history! It’s fun to speculate

  • @jameschristophercirujano6650

    Yes. It seems that the point is moot, since those structures are probably rubble, or disintegrated from the extreme heat of the burning tree.
    However, for the sake of discussion, it can go either way, that its new, however, it has to do with the assets made for reusability, but its newly made in reality. Or they scooped an old ruin from the island or sea as the tree grew.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you for your thoughts! I appreciate the comment. :)

  • @hotshot461
    @hotshot461 Před 11 měsíci +1

    ...my guy... Darnassus (and TELDRASSIL) were created 10,000 years ago, so yeh thats why the marble buildings look ancient instead of brand new, and the rest of the buildings look [somewhat] new too, though im pretty sure they have been very well maintained over the millennia. it even states in the first cinematic for WoW "After *10,000 years*, the drums of war sound once again..." xD

  • @danieliliev1028
    @danieliliev1028 Před rokem +3

    ahahah, teldrASSL :D . Obviously old gods messed up with staghelm

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      I usually say it the correct way but thought the way I usually pronounce it was wrong :')

  • @christiangladwell9899
    @christiangladwell9899 Před rokem +1

    Love these cozy videos

  • @deviltrigger187
    @deviltrigger187 Před rokem +2

    Im horde but i do miss darnassus

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Yes, I was very sorry to hear it was burned down! :'(

  • @Wayclarke
    @Wayclarke Před rokem +1

    You are the successor to Hayven Games.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Haha, thank you so much! That means a lot :)

  • @Bramandin
    @Bramandin Před rokem +1

    Oh man, I am so thirsty for this type of speculative vanilla content that looks deep into meat of the world and picks apart everything that doesn't make sense in the lore.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Haha, I'm glad you are enjoying this type of video! :)

  • @janchada710
    @janchada710 Před rokem +1

    I love it. Im Jediwarlock casual enjoyer.

  • @SoftClip_Q
    @SoftClip_Q Před rokem +2

    I personally chalk it up to old blizzard reusing assets being smaller and newer to the games design and how every small detail has implications in an mmos story. I think there’s a chance your right too maybe time will tell. Very interesting perspective can’t wait to see more videos.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you for the thoughtful reply! :)

    • @johnotero7714
      @johnotero7714 Před rokem

      I swear the writing team watches videos like this to come up with their ideas. We think we are predicting the storyline but really they are just using the idea they think they can make fit into their story. The jailer was a perfect example. Blizzard scraped all of the zone story lines and focused on retconning the jailer into stuff and ruined a LOT of lore.

  • @blackefeltsch7459
    @blackefeltsch7459 Před rokem +2

    The white marble structures look Greek/Roman inspired.

  • @Dabluekitten
    @Dabluekitten Před rokem +1

    After years of playing this is the first time I noticed the bear 😮

  • @lycos94
    @lycos94 Před rokem +1

    i audibly laughed when he said tell drassle

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I will improve on that for next time XD

  • @donjan007
    @donjan007 Před rokem +4

    Nice

  • @TE-eq1dc
    @TE-eq1dc Před 11 dny +2

    False advertising. You’re right it looks beautiful in pics but when I go there it’s just a bunch of ash and ruins with no elves well except the burnt ones.😎

  • @mauritsponnette
    @mauritsponnette Před rokem +1

    Very interesting theory, I like the points you make! The only thing I was thinking that breaks the theory is: how do you lift up a city when you're starting out with a sapling of a tree that has yet to grow as big as Teldrassil? Of course, this is but a small scientific nitpick as I'm sure Warcraft druids are capable of something more than would seem possible 😅

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Very good point! :) thank you for your idea!

  • @MrSanctuarys
    @MrSanctuarys Před rokem +1

    Good watch thanks!

  • @stevek4070
    @stevek4070 Před rokem +1

    Honestly I think it's a split between druidism and priestly structures. Vanilla wow it was just reusing assets because of time and not worrying about it all that much. There was a time before the tree that an island stood there and as the tree grew it consumed the whole of the island. Another thing to consider is that the elves were immortal for a majority of time on Azeroth which means that a lot of the builders of those original sites could still have been alive and easily remade certain structures to reflect their past memories. I hope in the near future there's an elf questline that takes us back into the tree now that it's been turned to a charred ruin and we get to see what remains. We could collect momentos for survivors and help put spirits to rest.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Thank you for the thoughtful comment! :) I like your points, especially with how the Teldrassil story could continue in the future!

    • @johnotero7714
      @johnotero7714 Před rokem

      Ugh. This is an AWESOME idea. I'm really hoping they make the new seed into a capital city in the future.

  • @shii5795
    @shii5795 Před rokem +1

    I had a similar theory. But mine centers around growing Teldrasil beneath an island.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Great idea! After hearing some other people's comments, it seems like Teldrassil was grown on an island named Kalidar, and so maybe that's where the scooped-up earth and ruins came from? :)

    • @shii5795
      @shii5795 Před rokem

      @@Jediwarlock Good chance of it. And if the Elves did import stone. It probably was just to repair structures, rather than build anything holey new.

  • @joaovitorreisdasilva9573

    Hmmmm, they could've built it tho. Remember, Night Elves are REEEEEAAALLY fucking old, there is probably a handful of builders/masons who were familiar with the "old style" and they could've built the "this look's older" structures. The problem with this, my counter, is that I can vaguely remember Darnassus being mentioned as one of Azshara palaces so it should be at least 10k y/o.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Thank you for the thoughtful reply! I added the elves’ age in my pinned comment… I like your thoughts! :)

    • @joaovitorreisdasilva9573
      @joaovitorreisdasilva9573 Před rokem

      @@Jediwarlock hey ty a lot and sorry for adding to the pile, guessing other people also pointed that out, another thing, sadly blizz don't do this kind of world building, might be access to material. New buildings might be made out of "organic stuff" because that is basically what they have around. They probably can't mine/find the old building materials so they gotta work with what they have. This can go both ways tho, it might support your theory since they couldn't actually have built the stuff with white marble (it was aliens, THE LITTLE GRAY MAN OF WOW), buuut it could also be that they had limited access to it and made the "most important stuff" for their culture/society out of the fancy stuff.
      Jesus I've way too much free time, I am sorry fren but keep up with the cool/great content!!

  • @diablo.the.cheater
    @diablo.the.cheater Před rokem +1

    Yes, it turns out it was not a tree but a island sized campfire

  • @Wordslay
    @Wordslay Před rokem +1

    Nightelves are just trolls that got corrupted by the degen minds of Moonguard roleplayers

  • @grafspe807
    @grafspe807 Před rokem +1

    I dont think a lot of ppl who play wow know that Darnassus isnt very old its not really shown in game out side of maybe a few mentions in quests or npcs perhaps

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      You make a good point! People who are not paying attention to the lore aren't given many other indicators about this.

  • @randomusernumber1
    @randomusernumber1 Před rokem +1

    this would explain several mysteries and my biggest peeve of all .
    Why was that giant wall built at the entrance ? It does not connect to the nearby mountains so it is not a gate . It is solid so it is not anything other that a big stone wall .And if it was intended as a gate who was it meant to stop ? It is on an island with the only way in being inside of the city .
    There is not enough wild life so that is not a legitimate threat to the city ,the sentinels can easily handle the furbolgs and the rest of the wildlife and the only other danger are the rogue druids ,and i doubt a handful of druids justify the effort , and those lame druids from 10000 years ago with 10000 elves could barely trap C'Thun , in present day 40 people went in and killed him and all his minions who had 10000 years to prepare . We only had a few weeks . I KILLED SO MANY BUGGS FOR NOTHING !

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Haha, I love that comment! XD I briefly thought about that darn wall too… if the theory is true they raised it up out of the ocean and just put it there as a decoration I guess?

    • @randomusernumber1
      @randomusernumber1 Před rokem +1

      @@Jediwarlock I absolutely believe that they did .There is just no reason for it at all . And i would have preferred if it were not there to be honest. Night elves are a favorite of mine and that wall just never fit the hippy vibes they give out .

  • @BenjaminCronce
    @BenjaminCronce Před rokem +2

    Need more story telling

  • @cujoedaman
    @cujoedaman Před rokem +1

    Well, just one small problem now. Everything got extra crispy after everyone's favorite undead waifu torched it because she was on the rag.
    Thanks, blizz. Ya dun guud.

  • @evsanger
    @evsanger Před rokem +1

    I subbed. Had to do it. No other choice. Content too good

  • @josejuanandrade4439
    @josejuanandrade4439 Před rokem +4

    Ok so.... Tyrande, Malfurion, Fan dral, etc... they all were alive before the sundering. This "old style" of architecture, is not old style. Is the Style they knew.
    The Sundering happened 10 thousand years ago, it was at the end of the War of the Ancients. It was caused because of the manipulation of the Well of Eternity by queen Aszhara to open a portal to bring Sargeras into Azeroth, then Illidan, Tyrande and Malfurion closing it.
    Tyrande is a priestess of Elune. When building the new city, she would have made the temple be built like the ones she knew before the Sundering.
    The wooden style of the houses was also used in the elven architecture before the sundering. You can see the city in the Well of Eternity dungeon looks like this. A part of it.
    The style of architecture used in the important parts of Darnassus is akin to the style they used in their big cities such as Suramar or Sin'Ashari. But the less ostentous style of buildings were common in places like Val'shara and other smaller elven settlements.
    The night elves that studied druidism are the ones that liked to build in this less ostentous, more nature friendly style. The followers of elune, and the high ranks of the elven society were the ones that liked the temples and white cities. As an example of this, the elves that migrated to the Eastern Kingdoms built their city in a more advanced way using magic, with their architecture being an obvious evolution from the old white temples. None of the elves that followed Anasterian was a practicer of druidism. They were all upper classes, practicers of arcane magic.
    The elves that built Darnasus were basicaly druids, priests... no arcane users... in fact, they were against it, blaming the arcane for the destruction of their society, and aware of the addiction it caused in their kin. That is why most of the city was built in this nature friendly way, because most of them where druids, or hunters, and the rest were priests, and it was the followers of elune who solicited to have the temple build the way it was.
    So there you have it, That is why the city looks the way it does: Most of the population were practicer of druidism, hunters, and then there were soldiers (warriors) and finaly the priests. The temple was built for the priests, the part in the middle was built for the soldiers and the rest are the houses of the rest of the population. Absolutely understandable the city looks like that.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Thank you so much for the thoughtful comment! I appreciate your feedback and that all makes a lot of sense! :)

  • @benjo_5
    @benjo_5 Před rokem +1

    *was* a beautiful combination.....

  • @cjfoshu
    @cjfoshu Před rokem +1

    Can druids raising entire city though? I feel like that is more a job designed for a shaman.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      Very good point! I am not sure, but it is fun to speculate :)

    • @cjfoshu
      @cjfoshu Před rokem

      @@Jediwarlock I'd have to brush up on my history, but if I recall correctly the Shamans did some world sculpting work post Cataclysm, and while fighting Deathwing.

  • @radeon_7745
    @radeon_7745 Před rokem +1

    Shame that only capital cities that are used are only Stormwind and Orgrimmar

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      True! Darnassus is very sparsely populated most of the time :)

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge Před rokem

      Used to be ironforge and Orgrimmar before they created linked flight paths.

  • @Nopeahuoli1
    @Nopeahuoli1 Před rokem +1

    Was just thinking... there is this massive landmass missing west from Ohn'ahran plains near greendragon place on dragon isles, could they have summoned that area from there to be landmass for teldrassil? I mean it almoust fits it if you check world map.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Interesting theory! I always like hearing new ideas :)

    • @AbzuLifeweaver
      @AbzuLifeweaver Před rokem

      Nah thats for the new teldrassil ;)

    • @RandomGuy-uj4hn
      @RandomGuy-uj4hn Před rokem

      I don't think so, since the dragons severed their connection since the wars of the ancient and reconnected quite recently on other side teldrasil were built somewhere after wc3 and beforr vanilla.

    • @Nopeahuoli1
      @Nopeahuoli1 Před rokem

      @@RandomGuy-uj4hn yeah its more likely area that is linked to emerald dream and made it vanish from this "dimension"

    • @RandomGuy-uj4hn
      @RandomGuy-uj4hn Před rokem

      @@Nopeahuoli1 hmm, maybe I should look at the dream bough questline again to confirm is the dreamway connection to Ohnaran plains also dormant during that time or not. Interesting theory, btw 👍

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish Před rokem +1

    6:23 I mean the elves that originally built them probably WERE still alive

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Check the pinned comment! ;) I agree!

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish Před rokem

      @@Jediwarlock Odd it doesn't seem to show first on my mobile

  • @Johkah
    @Johkah Před rokem +1

    or the structures are reused.... why do you think a lot of blood elves in vanilla are night elf models or their own and poorly made? bc blizzard didnt want to put a whole lot of work into something that wouldnt matter that much at the time.

  • @Solo_Traveling
    @Solo_Traveling Před rokem +3

    It's TELdrasil, not TelDRAsil.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +2

      Thank you for the feedback! XD That is actually the way I usually pronounce it but I thought it was wrong so I somehow ended up messing myself up more by switching to the actual wrong pronunciation!

  • @ArcaneEther
    @ArcaneEther Před rokem +1

    Oy, it is prononced "Tel Dra Sil", not "Tel Drassel". It is a play on Yggdrasil.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I put that correction in my pinned comment :) I will correct this in my future videos... thanks for pointing that out!

  • @itsRiske11
    @itsRiske11 Před rokem +1

    Darnassus is a pile of ash and rubble. It's exactly what it seems like.

  • @josephteller9715
    @josephteller9715 Před rokem +1

    Druids can't work stone... more likely that there were Elven Shamans that worked stone... and that there was a falling out between them after the events that created Darnasus and the Shamans left the rest of Elven society....

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      I like your thoughts! I hadn’t thought about elven Shamanism before :)

  • @networknomad5600
    @networknomad5600 Před rokem +1

    Darnassus? Never heard of her.

  • @denisblack9897
    @denisblack9897 Před rokem +1

    i dont think stoned bearded dudes who built this knew as much as you do

  • @666baby7
    @666baby7 Před rokem +1

    Love it thank you

  • @JulianaBlewett
    @JulianaBlewett Před rokem +1

    Tell druh sill, not tell drassle. They even pronounce it in game. I see your corrections but you might want to pin it to the top of the page so people read it first. Just a suggestion.

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem

      Pinned it! Thank you for the feedback, I have no idea why I decided to switch but I will say it correctly for now on XD

  • @gcp5898
    @gcp5898 Před rokem +1

    "Burn it!!"

    • @Jediwarlock
      @Jediwarlock  Před rokem +1

      I was very sad when that happened on retail WoW :’(

  • @mrtianflo7728
    @mrtianflo7728 Před rokem +1

    Yay wow lore CZcamsr!

  • @Foba_Bett
    @Foba_Bett Před rokem +1

    Niiice!!👏

  • @laetusabnoba
    @laetusabnoba Před rokem +1

    I loved Darnassus.