The Zanzil Conspiracy (Deep Dive & Lore Theory) | World of Warcraft
Vložit
- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Hello, everybody! I hope you are enjoying your holidays. Today, we explore one of the most intricate and well-hidden facets of the Defias: their links to the Venture Co. and the possibility of chemical weapons being used against the kingdom of Stormwind. Intrigued? Watch this video!
0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Part I: The Outcast
1:57 - Part II: The Brotherhood
4:45 - Part III: Supply Lines
9:27 - Part IV: The Loose Ends
Video Footage:
- Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft (2004-)
- Some images retrieved from WoWHead.
Background Music:
- "Feralas," "Westfall," "The Barrens," and "The Swamp of Sorrows" from the WoW OST
Outro Music:
- "Crossroads of the West (Snippet)" by Greta Van Fleet
#seasonofdiscovery #worldofwarcraft #wowclassic
Jediwarlock 2023 - Hry
Opening the box in the tower gives you a "Touch of Zanzil" curse so conection is even more obvious.
Indeed! That's one thing I had skipped over but I do remember that from doing the questline :)
This is why Jedi's lore videos are the best. They're not some copy of a copy about stuff lore nerds already knew, they're ACTUAL deep dives into something only people who are insane (i.e. read quest test lol) would even have the chance of figuring out.
Another amazing one!
Thank you so much! That means a lot and I appreciate it. :)
There is a very important part you missed out on this deep dive, the quest chain to save Yenniku on the Horde side.
This chain involves helping a troll witch doctor in saving the soul of a Darkspear troll called Yenniku who was poisoned and controlled by Zanzil, in this quest we require to gather singing crystals from basilisks not unlike the crystals gathered for Crank and in fact there's plenty of crystallized miners around the cave inhabited by basilisks. We are told there crystals are magical and can help us channel the power of an artifact called "The Mind's Eye" to retrieve Yenniku's soul from his body. In the end you manage to find Yenniku and trap his soul in the Mind's Eye, return him to the witch doctor and set his soul free even if his body is gone.
This is very in line with old voodoo folklore of zombies, while the popular depiction of zombies is the living dead the old folklore depicts zombies as brainless slaves controlled by voodoo magic through a long process of rituals. The involvement of the singing crystals points at some sort of magic being involved, whether Crank knows about their magical properties or how to use it is left untold.
It's very cool how the Alliance gets to see the side of the poison being used to build an army while the Horde gets the learn more about its witch doctor and voodoo origins.
Yeah!!! The eastern plague lands zombie troll quests
Ooh, I love those details! I had forgotten about that part on the Horde side... great comment! :D
That makes so much sense with the “playing both sides” interpretation of Crank Fizzlebub, he wants the poison *and* the crystals, literally feeding you poison & selling you the cure
Wow! I was always wondering what's up with the undead in the Westfall, though I assumed they were somehow connected to Duskwood (Duskwood having a dark necromantic theme and all). Amazing video!
Thanks so much! :)
Wow you are literally the ONLY person I've ever heard mention this, at ALL, especially on CZcams lol. I mean, as you say in the beginning, this tiny little story thread is not only spread across continents, but class quests and factions. At times I would have figured I was the only person who even had heard about this, if it wasn't for the fact parts of it were pointed out to me by others like a decade ago haha.
Haha, I'm glad there are others who have at least found some of the pieces of this puzzle! :)
@@Jediwarlock thanks! Same to you! Honestly your content is freaking awesome btw, you so often cover stuff that nobody else does at all. Like the furbolg gate in azshara or the crystal in dark shore!
Way cooler to dive into these obscure but honestly super important and interesting topics. Part of me feels these mysteries were so much cooler back in the day, because there wasn't literal gods running around everywhere. So it makes these small mysteries so awesome!
Kind of reminds me of things like the half done search for Varian quest lines, that just sort of end randomly in dusk wallow, with Varian originally being in Alkaz. Or the original Uldum gate stuff that just never comes up again. It was all so much cooler when little ends like that mattered.
Oh gosh I know I'm ranting in my comment, but then there was all the worgen stuff between dusk wood and silver pine. With that leading into the scythe of elune, as well as the Dark Riders which just disappeared. All this potentially being tangentially involved with the defias.
oh wow, im quite familiar with all the parts in this but never pieced it together. it instantly clicked the second I saw this video pop in my sub box!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching :)
oh wow after nearly 20 years you've enlightened me on connecting two major plot points. As a rogue main, I've always wondered why the Drones stood out so much in the region as unique NPC's. It was right there in front of me, but I never thought of connecting the dots.
Very cool!
Haha, that's awesome! Glad I could illuminate that for you :D
As some one who reads every quest but never played a rogue in Vanilla... I never knew the connections with all of this. I just assumed the undead at the tower in Westfall were connected to Dusk Wood but I never found a quest for it. Thank you for putting this together. One of my favorites from you so far. I really enjoy your content.
Thanks so much! I'm glad I was able to put the pieces together and share them with you all :)
I love that Zanzil uses the Alpha era model which itself uses a lot of animations either based on or directly taken from the WC3 Forest/Frost/Shadow troll model. Just with a Jungle Troll skin. Oddly these models are not used for actual Forest Trolls until early Burning Crusade where they were used for the lesser amani forces OUTSIDE Zul Aman in Ghostlands and Eversong, before that the in game forest trolls are all just green Jungle trolls. Then mid Burning Crusade Zul Aman came out and the brief era of the Forest Trolls using the model and skeleton from the Alpha ended!
Yes, very interesting! I like those details ;)
Masterful. The thing that is most impressive to me is the possibility that this connection may not have been planned by the big devs, but by the smaller guys making these quests. I like to think they talk to each other and come up with these things despite their bosses.
Yes! I love the grassroots-level stories that build on each other to play out over multiple level ranges/zones :) Others that come to mind are the Stormwind nobles and Onyxia holding up the movement of troops in human lands and the Scythe of Elune that covers zones from Ashenvale all the way to Duskwood! :o
Jediwarlock always makes the best and most original WoW lore videos our there. As said by other commentators, most other lore content makers are just reposting standard info you can get from Wowwiki or the Chronicle books. This is truly unique and always a delight to watch.
Platinum wow also does deep dives.
However, a lot of his videos are shallow dives.
Thank you so much! :) I had a blast researching/investigating this one!
I just did the horde rogue quest in SoD for the first time. My only vanilla rogue was a dwarf and I didn’t remember any of that questline. There is so much tied together in WoW. The Cata storyline for Silverpine and Hillsbrad actually upped the ante for part of the Forsaken trying to kill everyone.
Yeah! They go a little wild with their New Plagues after the Wrathgate in Wrath of the Lich King... hope you're enjoying SoD! :D
@@Jediwarlock very much. I played at launch (and actually in Stress Test the September before) and I came back in Feb after 10 years away. Started Classic in September but then was going back to school and disk have time to play. Y guild started a SoD guild but then almost no one has played it. I’ve been enjoying it a lot and have less desire to do Classic when I can do this. Filled my adventure log on retail and then back to SoD heh
Jediwarlock: "The land of Azeroth is one of adventure and countless mysteries."
Also Jediwarlock:
So much I didn't know. This was essentially a small scale Scourge threat. Mind domination taking over the world is a returning threat.
Indeed! And haha, still counting! :D
That was great! I never would have pieces all of that together
Thanks so much! :)
Nice video, glad you're feeling better and can't wait for the next one.
More on the way soon! :D
This was really exciting and funny and even a bit creepy! I got goosebumps!🎉
I never would've guessed that there is more to the Deadmines than the giant ship of destruction being build!
Maybe those poor miners whose union cards we need were experimented on with Zanzil's poison. I mean their friend thinks they died during a cave in. Even the dwarf's brother died. The deadmines are truly a dangerous and scary place!
Thank you, JediWarlock! 🎉 💚
You are very welcome! I like that idea about the dwarf miners... I considered them as well... who knows if they were involved? ;)
after hours and hours of lore videos by different creators, one could easily be mistaken to think they've learnt all there is to know about the wow story so far, but this was all completely new info to me
amazing especially after all these years of the game being out
10/10 vid
Thank you so much! :D
I love that your videos give actual new information and lore. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thanks for tuning in! More adventures on the way! :D
I think Crank Fizzlebubs quest chain is an open and shut case.
Kravel Koalbeard is the one that sends you to Crank in the first place, in search for "something to addle wits" to drug the gnome pit crew. Crank suggests Zanzils poison and asks you to go get it. The followup quest "Zanzil's Mixture and a Fool's Stout" is the conclusion of the cryptic mentioning of Crank finding a use for the poison.
Suggesting Crank is opportunistically getting in (late) on the action of supplying the Defias/Venture Co with the small amount we got for him, especially since the Venture Co already seems deep into their own operation, seems like a stretch to me.
I like your thoughts! I can definitely see your point of view :)
@@Jediwarlock I'm a smug armchair naysayer. But I do like your videos 😘
Great info helping tie in the nooks and crannies we may not have seen for this whole Defias plan.
Thank you! :)
Finally someone who noticed it, too! I told my dad about it back when we played together and he called me a lunatic 😂
Haha, I'm glad I could put some of those pieces together for you all :D
Pog more classic focused lore!
And more on the way :D
Wow what a good vid man I can't believe how research and time you put into these!
Thanks so much! Brawl on!
That was an really interesting take and the video was very well made.
Kudos to you, Mr Jediwarlock
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed this one :)
This was great, Ty!
You are very welcome! :)
Wake up way too early in the morning, be pissed, see jedi warlock video, day saved! ❤
Aw, I'm glad I could help out your day!
5:04 Should have said Green Hills, go all out.
XD I was considering it!!
Always happy to see a JediWarlock video! Keep up the great work my man :)
Thank you! :) More adventures on the way!
Best video so far!
Aw, thank you so much! :) I appreciate that!
i remember the first time i did the rogue class quest and saw Zanzil and i was like ive heard this name before
Haha, it's all connected! :D
I love your videos on stuff like this. Anything lesser known in Terokkar to look at? It's my favourite zone! Or perhaps the off-screen death of Fenris Wolfbrother and what happened to his clan between BtDP and TBC?
Thanks so much! Ooh, I'd love to investigate Terokkar sometime! I'll add it to my list ;) I am less familiar with WC1/2 lore but I could always see what I can find :)
@Jediwarlock Beyond the Dark Portal is my favourite Era of WoW lore. The first generation Death Knights and the orc clans deemed too uncontrollable to go to Azeroth are my two favourite subjects. Terokkar nearly certainly has something, especially with the MU Arakkoa, but Fenris and the Thunderlord would be a good story as well - so much was added retroactively, and yet still they seemingly just disappeared in universe.
Maybe not the strongest evidence but Crank Fizzlebub also happens to dress purelyin red which reminds me of the the red bandanas of the Defias.
Ooh very interesting! :D
Very nice
Thanks! :D
BROOOO THIS IS DEEP REALLY THANK U! VERY RICH IN ESSENCE OF LOOOOOREEE
Glad you enjoyed it! :D
😮 what is this!
:o
Do you think that there is a relation between the mixture of Zanzil and the plague in warcraft III that came over Lordaeron? I think that one was created by Ner'zhul, but it sounds familiar because it also transforms humanoids into undead.
There are definitely some parallels! I thought about this a lot after reading your comment and I think they are ultimately different. The Plague created by the Scourge/dreadlords of the Legion is magical in nature, while Zanzil's poison is derived from a mix of jungle plants. It is interesting how similar they are though! :)
@@Jediwarlock Oh, yes, indeed. I've read Arthas, Rise of the Lich King now. The book confirms that the Scourge's corn plague is magical. :) The aim of the plague was to weaken Azeroth, in order to prepare a demonic invasion (which happens later on with Archimonde).
Zanzil teams up with someone in the zul gurub dungeon
Yes! I hear there is more lore to his story in Cataclysm where he is eventually defeated again. :)
This story continues in Cataclysm.
Oh yes, I did hear about that! Interesting how they brought Zanzil back in the new ZG :)
technically you aren't supposed to even fight klaven
you're supposed to sap him and loot his chest
makes the lore even more hidden
Haha, I didn't realize that! Very cool :)
very cool
Thank you! :)
1:23 I have never found any playable version of the troll on the right's shoulders there.
I think it would be super cool to have as an item!
@@Jediwarlock It's so very si.ple and oldschool (literally a player model compatible slight upscale of the geometry built into the alpha bandit model) but it's unattainable.
Was the poison not sold to Kravel Coalbeard, for making Fool's Stout, and committing some serious betting fraud.
I believe it was! I left that part out of the story but yes, he definitely used the poison as well! :D
How does Zanzil in the Zul'Gurub rework tie into this?
I would imagine some retcon happened or was he reanimated?
It appears it was a bit of a retcon that he was allowed to return in the new ZG as he is still considered a "Humanoid" and not an undead (so I'm thinking he was not reanimated). I found it interesting that they brought him back, but he is a pretty significant figure in the Stranglethorn lore so I guess it makes sense! :)
hey, you should tackle who REALLY summoned Arikara and who was it's REAL target
Ooh yes the Arikara quests... I may have to revisit those soon! :D
I love me a good deep dive
I'm glad to hear that!! :)
More like this. Me like.
Thank you! :) More on the way.
Hi Jedi!
I believe you!
Thanks! :)
Ok so, in lore, Zanzil did not die in vanilla. He actualy returned to the Gurubashi under the request of Jin'Do, after Hakkar had been defeated in vanilla. Zanzil in lore died in Zul'Gurub many years after the fall of Hakkar, and the Defias.
Besides this fact... I always thought it was a bit dumb how Zanzil was just a random troll in some small ruins in vanilla. Like he was obviously to important to be just there in the open. /shrug.
Good detail! I usually don't talk about the lore past Classic/Wrath but I do find it interesting they brought him back in ZG in the update :)
yes?
Yes
This script screams AI
I actually write and voice all my scripts on my own :)
This video is NSFWestfall.
Better watch out! :o