CALLIOPE IS ALIVE! Theory God of War Will Kratos Daughter Return!?
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- Whats up Guys and Girls! Calliope died in the first God of War game! However we have new evidence that she is till alive in the GOd of War universe!
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00:00 intro
1:19 Calliope Story
2:20 Calliope's Age
3:35 Calliope The Healer
6:23 Calliope The Warrior
8:23 Calliope The Forgotten Soul
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What are your thoughts on CALLIOPE!? Will she return or not! Would love to know what you think
What is the name of the luluby in the background please
im not sure if we will see her again, but it would be nice if it happened.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@jonford you, and other forget she had ambrosa. She may be alive due to it being "the food of the gods".
@@Friegg Imagine if Cory Barlog revealed Calliope was the one who blew the horn for as of yet unknown reasons.
Imagine Kratos meets his daughter and he breakes out in tears and we see him for the very first time crying
That would be so wholesome and beautiful i hope that happens.
He cried in ragnarok in the end, when he saw his changed fate had been changed. I believe there’s another moment but I can’t remember rn
He did cry after he murdered Calliope and Lysandra.
Atreus team up with Calliope game would be interesting to me, I think there is an interesting dynamic that could explore with both Kratos' offspring.
Agreed both seeing their father at different points in his life would make for some interesting interactions
Say that it did happen…would she be older? Or still a child ?
@@kingartison I hope she’s younger than atreus while she’s technically his older sister she’s still mentally the age she died at. Give atreus the big brother type roll to his technically older sister
@@kingartison I'd make her the same age as Atreus will be in the new game. I would reverse the role from GOW 2018 where Kratos was showing Atreus how to be ready, this time, it would be Atreus being the mentor to teach how Calliope to get use to her god hood.
They can carry on the GOW franchise long after Kratos.
I'm thinking/hoping Atreus will encounter her in his travels in the next sequel. It would be really interesting to witness for sure.
Either she have love for Kratos as savior or hatred for killing and leaving the family behind.
I hope she still does love kratos because if she was angry then she would have hated kratos by now I just don't see calliope really hating her father it just not in character for her to do so and she seems to innocent to even have hate in her heart
I hope she hates him. Let's bring back some tragedy for the gods in the world of God of war. You can learn from your mistakes but that doesn't mean everyone has to forgive you.
@@JustinJulian-bq8vm Kratos did release the power of _Hope_ into the greek world at the end of GoW 3 so i'm sure that alone must have had a possitive effect in the now Elysium freed Calliope. I hold the headcanon that after she left the Elysium fields she grew into adulthood and became a goddess of her own who used her newfound godhood to help rebuild the greek world following the death of Zeus. I got this headcanon from a fancomic Jon made for a video a year ago.
I feel like it would be like mark and Nolan from invincible. Loves her dad but hates his actions with clear distain
Well she still had her physical body in the Alyssiam fields so unlike the other spirits in the field maybe she can leave just like Kratos and Persephone did
Persephone is dead practically. Hades put her in a coffin.
@@abdulazimnaushad i was referring to the fact that they all could leave since in all the games it hints that if you have some type of godly status your not bound to mortal standards
No how would she even cross the river styx??? Kratos and Persephone are literal gods... She's a 8 year old half blood at best who doesn't even know she's half God. She ain't leaving
God of war chains of Olympics take place before kratos open pandero box and became god of war. Thus by the event of god of war chains of olympic kratos was still demigod by that time also in the first god of war game right where ares killed kratos he climb out of the death of hades so it possible for his daughter to escape the underworld.@ConfusedChrysanthemumFlo-ft5up
@@rexy-mc1oy maybe escape from elysium. She can't cross the river styx tho I doubt
If calliope is still out there somewhere I could only imagine if she realized she’s part god too and was able to manifest some kind of power like Atreus
It‘d be cool if she ended up as a God of another pantheon, maybe as a savior similiar to Kratos, also ending up as a God of War. The story could revolve around Atreus being sad that Calliope is more like Kratos than he is and continue with that dynamic, maybe Atreus and Calliope end up separated from everyone else and during their adventure, Atreus slowly takes over the role Kratos had when Atreus and him were together in the Norse games
She should become the _Goddess of Hope_ within the greek realm after Kratos released the power of Hope into the world and Calliope was the only remaining demigod with magical powers who could achieve godhood.
I think there is plans for Calliope to return, but not in the way we expect. It could either go that shes still angry at Kratos for abandoning her and destroying greece or shes grown to be a helper of people. Being part god she likely has some powers, even if they are weak. Based on what we know she could be a healing type of god, and maybe she helped the people post God of War III and was raised to a seat of authority, like a queen or some sort. If we do get an Atreus story I believe its likely they will meet, unless we get Kratos returning to Greece first
She actually doesn't know that Kratos killed her. And honestly if she did I don't think she'd be angry. Kratos has done more good for the world
@@JonFord i hope she will return
@@JonFordthe Fact that Kratos made the sacrifice to not be there but to save the "World" of Greece is definitely a good point
Calliope isn’t exactly part god because we have to remember that Kratos was born a Demigod first, only after killing Ares and ascending to the throne did he become a full fledged god of war.
Which would make her only a quarter god, but tbh it might actually be possible because even if in some way she did have the ability to draw out her powers as a god (even as a quarter), she could have a role in restoring Greece.
@@JonFordwhat? Kratos destroyed Greece entirely.
Releasing hope would only help the strongest survivors.
I like the idea of during Loki's travels, word begins to spread of a warrior wielding blades attached to chains & he assumes it is his father, only to cross paths with Calliope which results in a brief battle due to the blades looking similar & assumes something happen to Kratos. Just like how everyone assumes Kratos hurt Faye & took her Axe until he mentions it was a gift from her. Maybe the fight ends with the two coming to realize they are siblings.
I would like Atreus to meet his older sister they would definitely get along
“Freya is in fact extremely old” Shots fired 😂
She's like a very old wine
I have a completely depressing idea for what they can do with Calliope if she comes back. So my idea is that Calliope gets freed from the Elysium Fields after Kratos kills Hades and has a second chance at life. With a new life Calliope gets her human body back and can now age into an adult. However she is forced to still have the physical scar of her death and unfortunately she hasn't found peace. Why??? Well she is completely broken and traumatized from what happened to her. Logically speaking an 8 year old girl wouldn't be mentally well if she got murder by her own father and then got reunited with him only for him to abandon her without telling her why.
When freed Calliope tried to find her mother but Lysandra was in the Asphodel Meadows which is the neutral afterlife for people who lived normal lives. If you don't know people in the Asphodel Meadows are forced to forget there past life/identity and live in tranquility. That means Lysandra lost all her memories and doesn't remember her daughter. This breaks Calliope's heart because she wants to be with her mother but there relationship can never be the same. So now not only did she lose her father but now she lost her mother as well. She's truly alone.
Which brings me to Athena eventually finding Calliope and decided to manipulate her because of how vulnerable she is. If she can't use Kratos as a pawn, then surely she can use Calliope. So Athena tells Calliope the truth of her death and the other crimes Kratos's commited. This causes resentment to from towards Kratos and she molds it into hatred and rage. She tells Calliope that Kratos has left Greece and made a new family. That he replaced her. This makes Calliope furious and Athena and encourages her to embrace her anger. Which leads to Calliope down a dark path of wanting to kill her own father and Athena helps Calliope with her goals by training her and giving her Godly power.
Tbh I just think it would be poetic if the cycle of violence Kratos tried to break continues. It's a tragic idea that such heavy trauma and lack of support changed a happy little girl into a broken woman. Btw deep down she's still has a good heart but right now she's just deeply hurt.
I had the same theory but mine was like that calliope after returning from Elysium to life she faces traumatic life having endless nightmares she becomes a thief to for living
Monsters attacking villages so she doesn't have any place to call home then she discovers about her father cause people frequently talking about the Ghost of Sparta she finds Kratos paintings and learns about his stories for what he has done then after a while she discovers her Godly blood so she decides to join remaining Olympian Gods but she is afraid but finally she tells her truth to an oracle that people lost believe in and that's when Athena finds out about her from this Oracle so she Gives her what she couldn't even ask for a comfort life a home making her too close to herself after these Years passed their bond got stronger so now no matter Athena is right or wrong she would anything for her and it would be too much of a challenge for Kratos.
I wish that when we get a Atreus spin of I hope we see her in search of her father from hearing about a pale warrior that killed norse gods and meets Atreus now knowing he is her brother and Atreus trying to help her find her dad also not knowing the truth
Hmm i just reliezed we never found out what type of godly power she possed
Considering her father and 2 brother's powers (Hercules and Deimos) i would assume superhuman strenght and endurance. She could very well become a "Goddess of War" in her own right albeit with a more mellowed down personality similar to Tyr and the current Kratos.
Imagine if Caliope maried someone who originat from egypt or a greek who wants to settle down in egypt (politician, noble, peasent, genral or warior), and we see her in egypt
Unlikely but still a fun possibility.
It would be cool is she did stayed in elysium and stayed at the age of 8. In that way if artreus ever meets her it could be the same dynamic of a older family member taking care of a little younger inexperienced family member like god of war 2018 and ragnarok. Even though she is technically the big sister
Let’s say a prison’s (the underworld/tartarus) wardens die, the inmates escape, there’s no one to keep them contained. Than there’s an orphanage (elysium) whose overseers are gone, the children flee as well. So my theory is, she indeed is outside of elysium and maybe there was some remnant of magic left behind or some godly divine power that allows her to live and age slower, OOOOR variation 2 where she inherited THE ability of Kratos to absorb powers, since you know the draupnir spear is made with his blood, and what does it do, siphon the powers (elements in-game) of the enemies
Great theory which in my opinion makes a lot of sense considering the power of _Hope_ which could (and should) be able to affect Calliope just as much as it affects every single mortal within the greek world following the events of GoW 3. As i've commented in other threads i feel she could become a "Goddess of Hope" similar to Kratos courtesy of her still been technically a demigodess with magical powers which can be enhanced by the power of Hope.
She'd have been about 14 in Chains of Olympus but was still a child.
There's a lot of yellow unexplored questions and swamps of God of war Theories. Yellow is opposite of grey areas. Meaning it's hinted but not really for sure until writers confirm more about the other characters or details
There's still a part of me that wishes that Kratos would find out that he had another son that when Kratos killed his wife and daughter his wife just so happened to be newly pregnant and when died the gods took the baby from Elysium and after the fall of Olympus the remainder gods has him wanting to kill Kratos almost similar to what happened to Deimos
Nah sounds too edgy and out of place after all the character development Kratos has gone through across 2 full fledged games.
Thank God fans don't write gow because this is horrible💀
like u said ghost of sparta is considered a saviour in greece. maybe shes alive and hears about this ghost of sparta and then later find out that he’s kratos and decides to go look for him to hunt him because he killed her and her mother + left her in elysium
My guess is that she will return when Santa Monica studios decides to do Roman Mythology. And that's still years away considering they do Egypt or Japanese before it.
Thats like saying Faye is alive because Kratos went into the light when he heard her voice. The Elysium fields is the afterlife for mortals in the ancient greek religion. Anyone who enters can physically interact with the dead but the soul cannot leave unless Hades granted them permission and a body. You only stay long enough for your soul to achieve peace before being cleansed of all memories and reborn into the world. Calliope in all likely hood has been reborn and her memories of Kratos gone forever
Remember this is _God of War_ not an accurate adaptation of the greek myths (Atlas and the Blade of Olympus says hi) so as far as anyone is concerned nothing has been written in stone as to wether Calliope underwent any "cleansing" of her soul like it happens in the actual greek myths. It's far more likely that after Hades was killed her physical body was allowed to leave Elysium in order to become a part of the living world once more.
great video as usual Jon!!! i think she is still alive somehow too.
it would be nice to see her interact with Atreus as the next DLC or sequal during his travels to find other giants
Another dope gow theory video John Kratos 😅🍻
Caliope is a muse of Eloquence and Epic Poetry, the muses inspired creation, creativity
I think that maybe Santa monica should do another DLC so they could cover it up but i feel like him being God of War they show put Tyr and him to travel to the new Greece and get calliope
we really need to see greece again
Well maybe with God DNA (I'm taking Viltrumite Blood Logic here) it overwrites other genetics after a certain point.
So she could get powers when she found out Kratos was a god and maybe think she could be too.
Got a theory for you too. Since Kratos didn't know he was a god as a kid before unlike Atreus, do you think that Kratos didn't fully mature his powers. And maybe could've been more powerful if he did.
Is atreus even aware of his sister's existence? I never heard Kratos tell atreus about her?
True it's possible that they'll release another DLC soon to finally allow Atreus to learn the full history surrounding his father's past and everything he did before arriving at the norse realm.
Great video, I like your Idea of she's got kratos old weapons But it's better to have her own weapon ,As for her divinity ( godly ) I believe that she can be promoted to a full goddess through a process called (apotheosis) by strong being like Zeus or primordials , for her backstory ( since gow3 ) I really like to be a grimdark story , where she faced all the remaining gods who hated her father, such as Athena, Demeter and Dionysius and Iris and other gods, maybe even remaining primordials.
Sounds sadistic for poor Calliope and contradictory of what Poseidon says to Kratos: _"The death of Zeus means the death of us ALL!"._ Also it would be weird for all those other gods to cast blame on a little girl who did absolutely _nothing_ to be worthy of such treatment. Don't buy it.
@@javiervasquez625 In fact, I miss the kind of grimdark story that we saw in gow1, where in my vision Calliope is exposed to suffering and tragic events at the hands of greek gods and entities ( like primordials ) that make her a stronger person, the same thing that made Kratos a stronger person , however, I think that some of them become her allies.
@@HaiderAli-kb2on Like i said above that sounds too over the top especially after how mellowed down Santa Monica Studios has taken Kratos's character making me confident in the fact this scenario you suggest is never going to happen.
@@javiervasquez625 In that I agree with you and hope that they stop their story way of ( be better ), this topic has been fully addressed and became redundant.
Idk if this is how it would work but if Kratos killed Thanatos, the God of death, then would death even be possible anymore because Kratos inherited that role but he is not there anymore.
Maybe Calliope became the newest "Goddess of Death" after been the only physical being left in Elysium.
Calliope would basically be Wonder Woman if she grew up
Since she's more mortal than god, she'd be less powerful and therefore I think the first theory of her just having healing powers just makes sense. She could be the one to play a major role in rebuilding Greece perhaps.
It would be awesome if somehow they could bring her back and see the reaction from atraus seeing his sister for the first time
Calliope being a boss would be insane. Like imagine id she was better than a Valkyrie
Plot twist angraboda is caliope
Plot twist Freya is calliope
Mimir!
ATREUS NO, NOT ANOTHER LUKE AND LEIA MOMENT
She's s giant not part god... plus that's incest
KRATOS IS JORMUNGANDER!!
Hold on you said she doesn't know that kratos killed her. But in gow 3 or 1 i forgot, there was a flashback of her saying "no father noo" which would mean she do know. But also usually the flashbacks in gow series keep showing him slashing both his wife and child at the same time, Idek anymore lol
Great analysis I hope they bring Caliope back❤
A lot of people suffered under Zeus and his cruelty. Kratos ended that suffering.
Now it's up to Calliope to heal all those wounds caused by Zeus and Olympus.
Hey Jon there’s a theory I read somewhere that basically goes like this after the events in god of war 3 calliope leaves the fields and wonders the earth like her father eventually ending up in Egypt and settling there and either changing or being known to the locals and cleopatra and it could be where the next game is centered don’t know but I liked that idea
Does she become THE Cleopatra from real history or only shares the name?
@@javiervasquez625 I think she becomes the cleopatra of real history I mean from what I know cleopatra was Greek in real life
@@eperez3041 ¿You do know that the historical Cleopatra was born the daughter of Ptolemy XIII and not an immortal genocidal psychopath named Kratos of Sparta right...? Sorry real history already prevents this "theory" of your from been plausible.
Plot twist Calliope is the girl in heavenly sword bit of a stretch but I can see the father daughter traits
Lol i've seen some videos online pairing Nariko with Calliope for some reason. Never understood the joke.
Isn't Kratos over 1000 years old currently???🤔
Hasn't been explicitly addressed yet but according to Kratos it's been at least a hundred years since he left Greece to arrive at the norse realm.
@javiervasquez625 Not necessarily... It's not confirmed. But if we're doing it mathematically, The destruction of Sparta by an earthquake in 464 BC
The volcanic winter of 536 AD. A similar event happened in GOW.
So, if Kratos leaves Greece in 464 BC and Fimbulwinter starts in 536 AD, that makes him at least 1,000 years old! Just a theory!
@@Khaoz1300 The GoW universe isn't the _real one_ so i wouldn't use natural disaster depicted in the game as basis to pinpoint a specific gap between the many games in the timeline.
Man don't say those words now that Mattpat has just confirmed he's leaving The Game Theorists for good. 😔 Time sure flies...
One thing I didnt think about until after watching this.... in God of War 2018 Atreus had a sickness that was caused from him not knowing he was a god but living as a mortal.... is that sickness only a thing with the Norse region? Kratos didnt even know he was a god technically until God of War 2 when Athena told him Zeus was his father?? Or didnt even actually become a god as far as he was concerned, until after killing Aries in God of War
Hmm maybe he did fell into an illness during his teen age like Atreus?
Whatever happened to Kratos first wife after she died? Where did she go? It would be cool if they could bring her back in some fashion as well.
I am convinced calliope blew the horn
That would be such a cool twist to be honest.
Athena trains her to the new god of war like ares did to Kratos .
I always thought that the demigods and gods will take the place of those who died. Example, Calliope becomes Persephone version of roman lore. Afrodita turns into Hera.. or something like that
If they haven't all died out because of Zeus's death that might be a possibility.
Calli should be a minimum age of 200 years. When I hear "centuries" I always think at least 200 years. It cannot be less than that or it'll be a century.
If she's 199 years old she still wouldn't be centuries old.
Calliope is cleopatra and we are going to Egypt next 🔜🔥
Lol no way the historical Cleopatra is the daughter of the Ghost of Sparta.
Wait does this mean it possible that Atlas is still holding greek/Roman pantheon ?
Its been stated multiple times tgat the blades of athena and blades of exile are simply the blades of chaos infused eith first athenas godly power and then later eith athena higher dementional power. Which is why the blades of exile seemed so muvh more powerful. Cuz they were powered by the higher demension.
Where has that been stated and also has it been confirmed by Cory Barlog and the rest of SM?
Jon how old is freya?
i hope Sparta and the last Spartan will comeback
1. Zeus destroyed it
2. Kratos killed him (the last spartan)
@@jordansimeonov1501 the fandom wiki says he will return in a new timeline
@@ahmedalanzi. it could be possible in this very same one, if that story in the end of gow 2018 that Kratos tells about Atreus of Sparta, I believe if his son discovers about time travel he’ll go way back in time to see what it would be to be a spartan, and maybe it’s him
@@jordansimeonov1501 maybe
You are right kratos did went back in time to prevent Sparta from being destroyed that means in timeline one Zeus won and now timeline two kratos stop Zeus so that means timeline two is our timeline now and the Spartans should be alive sense Zeus never got the chance to swing the blade of Olympus at them
You know if they do bring her back I think she needs to be mad at Kratos and is just as ruthless as the old kratos. And she tries find him in the Norse mythology.
I hope santa monica returns caliope on the series
I know it isnt part of greek mythology but wouldnt be cool if she came back as Hel the god of helhiem. I think she wouldnt make a good god of hell especially that she isnt an evil god she could take care of the dead
I think she's alive and she is searching for her fother kratos and in gow2018 she blew the horn
What is the name of the luluby in the background please 🙏
You talking about I
Raebs lament ?
The Mask (Brok Death Scene)
If that’s true will Atreus meet his Half-sister?
I personally think the creators lied about weapons being destroyd becaus one they still glow with theirs magic and two in the scene they are not split in half or something like that if the creators really want the destroy the weapons they could just simply split in half them or just delete the color of weapons and that leads to their is no magic in them
You are right the blade of Olympus is not broken it's just no longer have the energies that it's have and aren't there two blades of Olympus the one kratos have was from the past when he prevented Zeus from destroying Sparta and the one at the beginning of god of war 2 and the blades of exile are not destroyed kratos just left them behind after he beat Zeus in his astral form and those other weapons should be fixable if they lose magic that does not mean there broken they are just regular useless weapons like the blade of Olympus the only way to repair the weapons is hope
@@JustinJulian-bq8vmthat would explain the paradox
@@JustinJulian-bq8vm the claws of hades for example they are fine in the cutscene they glow with magic and they look fine so other weapons are also fine
You know....they do say that cleopatra was greek....just....food for thought
Really!? Cleopatra is Egyptian isn't she?
Yeah...but she had greek ancestery apperently...so...yeah.....
@@BlueMoon56832 Yet her father wasn't a deep white skinned genocidal immortal God of War but a greek named _Ptolemy XII_ so i seriously doubt there's any chance Santa Monica Studios is turning Calliope into the historical Cleopatra.
if kratos returns to greece to rebuild do you think callipoe will forgive him for leaving since he did it reluctantly
Like if calliope is very understanding of why kratos left to save the world than yes she will do more than just forgive him she would be happy to see her father again and kratos has asked his wife to forgive him
With the power of Hope also affecting her as well it's very likely that she'll love him no matter what and might be willing to forgive Kratos for all the things he's done since GoW 1.
Perhaps she could calm people down with her music
What happened to the spirit of Kratos wife after he killed her? I really need to replay the original games
She went to the underworld. Guess she wasn't pure of heart. She is a Spartan woman maybe. She probably killed in the past let's be honest lol
That seems possible because we really don't know a lot about her
Image freya is calliope she is like 1000years old and kratos 1055 and kratos was 40 at the end of gow 3 so IT could be posible
Freya is the daughter of the norse god Njord if I remember correctly so I dont think she is Calliope.
@onlyinoniontown4987 She still had a _physical body_ while in Elysium so it's possible she might have regained her mortality after Hades died and Olympus was completley destroyed.
Well, alive isn't quite the word but...
She still had her physical body while in Elysium so it's possible she could be partially "alive" courtesy of her demigod status.
She wouldn’t have powers considering he was just orator captain of the Sparta army as to his son who he had as a god.
Like Atreus would she be sick not knowing Kratos was a god or did she know kratos was a god when he joined her, I know someone knows what I mean . Would she know she’s a god ? Would she not get sick ? How does she live on
If she managed to leave Elysium after Hades's death she might have been able to develop god powers with which to affect the natural world. Seeing as i don't see why she couldn't be able to leave Elysium it's possible that she became a goddess in her own right.
Is this video an off season april fools joke?
More like an excited fan spreading theories out of sheer excitment at the prospect of Kratos reuniting with his daughter after centuries of not knowing what has become of her.
5:00 "Remember to get into the Elysium in the first place, which is pretty much heaven in the Greek world, you have to have a pure heart with no hatred inside of you. And I think EVEN THOUGH she is at a young age I think that she just is innately is just a loving person."
Redundant grammar aside, why would you phrase this in such a way that would suggest that young people are not innately loving?? Using "even though" suggests that her loving nature would be directly contradictory to her nature as a child.
Bro, you need a writer or a proof-reader or something. Make your words intentional and clear. This video feels more like a chaotic stream of consciousness because you cannot stop your run on sentences. Slow down, think of what you want to say, write it, and then support it.
Do you need someone to read and correct your scripts?
Blades of exile aren't left behind.
Blades of chaos and exile are 2 different blades. Kratos threw them on the ground Before foghting zeus
@@JonFord I know what you're saying, but how does he have blades of chaos in GoW 2018 then? Did he go and find blades of chaos after Ares took them from him? They must be Blades of Exile.
@@temrenalican4570 According to the canon God of War comics which follow the ending of God of War 3 the Blades of Chaos have literally been "following" Kratos everywhere he goes with any attempt on his part to be rid of them such as throwing them into the sea or burying them underground leading to the swords magically appearing before him every time he awakes after sleeping. No explanation has been given yet as to why the blades won't leave his pressence.
The blades of chaos follow Kratos
What about lysandra
Seeing as she was a full blooded human mortal like Callisto (Kratos's mother) she probably remained a spirit bound to the Underworld before eventually getting released following Hades's death. It's a mystery what her spirit could be able to do aside from floating through the world aimlessly.
Honestly i don't want GOW without Chris Judge. No one will even come close to his performance. They should just move on to new ip's. Let GOW rest
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How is Calliope god? Didnt kratos make her before he was made a god XD
Well going by the logic of the Norse games, a child of a god is already born a god. Technically Kratos is a demi-god but they always just use the term "god" which is something I've always been confused about in the newer games lol
The Curious thing is wether it's Kratos or his Bloodline that can free themselves from death. Like can Atreus just leave the afterlife when he dies and is determined enough
As portrayed in the both Greek and Norse Sagas there is a "genetic" factor which grants a certain level of goodhood to an individual. Seeing as Kratos was able to become immortal even after loosing his goodhood at the start of GoW 2 it's always possible Calliope might be able to achieve the same feat as her father.
But how could she be alive we all saw her in the elysium fields which is the the Greek after life that you can only get into if your DEAD. Interesting theory but i Don't get it
Even though she died still retained her _physical form_ and the ability to interact with the physical world whereas every other soul within Elysium seemed like a translucent spirit devoid of physical "substance". Since Calliope still had a mortal body when Kratos meets her that leads credence to the possibility she was able to escape Elysium following the events of GoW 3.
@@javiervasquez625 ok, true but how can she survive the fall of Olympus and Greece as a whole when most didn’t, also she was a little girl and I don’t know about you but she may be the daughter of Kratos but I highly doubt she could survive all of that and more.
@@leviathan17 She was inside the utopian Elysium fields where nothing bad happens, has a _physical body_ able to interact with the physical world and most important of all has the power of *Hope* at her side to survive the chaos unleashed after Kratos killed all the major gods of Olympus. Calliope has every chance to survive on her own given the 3 main factors stated above.
How can somebody who died age? Not possible.
A demigodess with magical powers and the ability to retain her physical body while in Elysium might. It's all a theory based on the current Lore as of her appereance in Chain of Olympus.
@@javiervasquez625 when Kratos saw her in Elysium she was still a little girl. She can’t age cause she is dead. People should be talking about how come the mother Kratos wife is not in Elysium and where is she.
@@GRUSTLER Yet she was bound to Hades's _control_ unnable to do anything but to stay put as a prisioner in Elysium without the chance to do anything. Now that Hades is dead and the power of _Hope_ has been released into the world there's the lingering possibility that Calliope might be able to _revive_ very much like how it happened to Kratos himself after he outright stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus.
As to why Lysandra wasn't also in Elysium the reason is obvious: she didn't have a pure hearted soul like the innocent Calliope. Seeing as she was an adult Spartan woman it's safe to assume she must have commited some wrongdoing in her past before Kratos killed her leading the 3 Judges of the Underworld to deem her soul too impure to be granted entrance into the Elysium fields.
I got to say, I think it’s way more interesting if we never see calliope again. Kratos’ sacrifice of leaving his daughter is way more impactful if it was truly his last chance getting to see his daughter.
Yet that feels like a lingering plothole very much like what became of Athena after she transformed into an "astral being" and wether she has been doing evil things ever since Kratos departed for the norse lands. Should Santa Monica make a sequel addressing Athena's whereabouts it only makes sense that they'll also address Calliope's.
@@javiervasquez625 We know where Calliope is, she’s “among the pure souls of the elysium fields.” It’s a metaphor for heaven, she’s stayed a child ever since and probably will forever stay a child there. I do agree that Athena’s ethereal form wasn’t really elaborated at all, but Calliopes fate definitely is not a plot hole.
@@greenlandsharky Except this "metaphor" does not apply to God of War's depiction of Elysium given how blatantly innaccurate it is to the real deal from the greek myths as a _physical_ realm which Kratos is freely able to enter and leave like nothing all the while killing a bunch of souls who were minding their own business despite what the myths say regarding the "pure of heart" enjoying an everlasting existence devoid of _suffering_ (Chain of Olympus would like to know your location).
As revealed in Chain of Olympus Calliope still retained a physical body which allowed her to interact with the physical world around her so in all due respect i see no reason why she wouldn't be able to simply walk away from Elysium and return to the mortal world given the sheer fact that we don't know what became of the Elysium fields following Hades's death and the release of all the souls of the Underworld into the mortal realm.
@@javiervasquez625 from a mythology standpoint I can see why you feel there are too many unanswered questions, but I think these questions only come from it needing to be a video game, it doesn’t dwell too much on how everything works and clicks together, it’s exactly why they don’t show kratos’ journey to the Norse lands except in a side comic. They are more focused on using these concepts to show a story, which is why I don’t feel a need to know what happens to calliope or Athena, a vague answer is enough to not over complicate the narrative. We understand kratos left his daughter to fulfill his mission, and that’s enough for me. I certainly wouldn’t mind some more details though, I love both the worlds and characters, and I understand that sometimes they have to compromise aspects of both sides so they can reach a certain balance.
@@greenlandsharky Just because it doesn't "expand the Lore" as you propose addressing Calliope's whereabouts would do doesn't mean it isn't still a lingering _plothole_ which cannot simply be shoved aside without coming off as lazy on the part of Santa Monica Studios and extremely out of character for Kratos and Atreus who will most likely end up travelling to Greece in their search for other Giants and wathever new plotline Santa Monica has in store for the next God of War sequel. There's is every reason to know what has become of Athena given her megalomaniac desire to *rule* the greek realm as shown at the end of God of War 3 and there's every reason to know what has become of poor Calliope given Kratos's very intimate connection to his daughter which would FORCE him to want to know what has become of her after he left her in the Elysium fields back in Chains of Olympus.
Just because it might be "enough for you" doesn't mean it's enough for Kratos and the God of War fandom.
I disagree. Kratos had no godly powers until they were gifted to him Zue’s son or not. Also not all of Kratos’s powers came from the gods or the Titans. His daughter was born before a lot of things happened so were she might have some of Zues’s blood she was 1 dead at a young age and 2 not conceived after kratos had been through all that he had endured. Plus his son is half giant and giants have their own abilities.
It’s not a theory…. It’s fan fiction.
Every theory ever made is fan fiction
I would love to see calliope return as a villain😊
Why do you even want calliope to be a villain that would not even make sense
I could see Athena either manipulating or mind controlling Calliope to oppose Kratos and Atreus but there's no way she would become a villain given how off character that would be for the innocent, pure hearted Calliope who was granted entrance into the Elysium fields.
Could Caliope become Hela 🤔 and maybe rule Helheimes
I doubt she would ever become hera
@@JustinJulian-bq8vm _Hela_ as Hera is dead as of GoW 3 and i doubt Calliope would want to use the name of an established goddess.
@@JustinJulian-bq8vm by Hela meaning the Norse Goddess of Death
nah I don't think this theory is plausible, Calliope is dead. Plus, the vases of Kratos' rampage in Greece doesn't seem like they were picturing him like a hero...
She still had a physical body while in the Elysium so maybe she was able to retain her body all the way into the events of GoW 3 at which point she was able to literally walk out of Elysium and into the mortal world.
She is not coming out of elysium.... Kratos had to ride Persephone out. How is caliope ab 8 year old supposed to leave elysium.
But wouldn’t she be part god tho 🤔🤔
Would that be a problem?
Elysium is literally heaven for the greeks... how would she be alive?? She isnt like kratos. She died. And her soul lives on in Elysium.
And the underwold and elysium isnt arent connected not in actual greek mythology anyway...
If souls can leave the underworld now and Elysium is part of the underworld there is a chance she could leave as well.
I disagree.
Kratos is half god, half mortal, yet he consistantly over powers gods, titans, primordials. And unlike thoose mfs, kratos has died three times while they died only once. I bet kratos's daughter would have inharited this to some extent.
Kratos isn’t a mortal he’s a god
Mind you he powered by the power of _Hope_ all throughout the Greek Saga plus he had plotarmor granted by the Oracle's prophecy of him destroying Olympus one day. Since Calliope doesn't have either it's possible she lacks the same level of power as her father to justify her becoming just as strong.
@@javiervasquez625 the prophacy was for demos. The birth mark demos had was of the prophecy. Kratos "inherited" the prophecy when he got a tatoo of demos's birth mark. Also power of hope was only received at end of gow 1, after kratos has died once.
@@kamantariq2513 The "prophacy" was about Kratos but Zeus and company wrongfully assumed it spoke of Deimos courtesy of his peculiar birth mark. There was no "inheritance" whatsoever as the prophecy never specified wether the marked warrior carried their mark from birth or if they would carve said mark into their body at a later stage of their life.
As to what you said regarding Kratos lacking the power of Hope for most of GoW 1's storyline it's funny you don't aknowledge the fact it was the lack of the power of Hope which made him vulnerable to Ares's attack. Calliope is in the same situation as GoW 1 Kratos.
Then hoe you explain kratos dying in gow 2? He had the power of hope then didn't he?
Just as the gods were wrong demos being the "marked warrior" you could be wrong abour kratos being the "marked warrior". I highly doubt the gods were wrong. However i think the were fooled by their own arragance thinking they could stop the phrophacey
Mythologies are in seperate universes they arent just seperate countries
No they're not. Just geography. Its a simple answer. I hope this helps you understand.
Mimir has sailed to norse from celtic myth. Kratos sailed to Egypt from greece. Sigrun is leaving the nine realms by boat. Atreus left the nine realms. Tyr temple shows him on a boat traveling to other places. Its no more then that.
They didn't take a spaceship 🚀
Odin and thor know what Kratos did to greece, You can find different objects from other mythologies, in Valhalla Tyr uses weapons from different cultures.
@@JonFord but for example when Kratos killed Helios and sun disappeared, Sun obviously still existed for other mythologies,how does that make sense?
@@JonFord also to say that they share the same earth wouldnt that create contradictions cuz of primordials from greek mythology and such?
It is a rather confusing question which i don't think Cory Barlog and company have properly addressed as of Ragnarok given the very creation myths surrounding the many pantheons which make no sense should all the pantheons exist simultaneously across different regions of the _real world._ My headcanon is that there's some magical "barrier" which seperates the pantheons in specific realms allowing them all to exist in their own universes. Here's to hoping we'll someday fully understand how all the mythologies make sense of one another.
OMG that would be best❤ but also can ruin the game but anyway IT whould be amazing
It would be a Roman pantheon Calliope would be a part of if she were still alive and had awakened her godhood.
Like the Greek gods in god of war awaken there powers when they are 18 or older because remember why the scar on kratos right eye never healed or when he gets stabbed by the blade of Olympus or the burn marks when he got the blades of chaos because he was mortal when he was younger and aren't half gods semi immortal
This is reaching. We don't even know if age is a factor in Elysium. And Calliope never killed family so she is not cursed with gaias immortality. Kratos also had to commit "sins" to leave Elysium. Sure hades died and souls were released from hades but perhaps those were yet to be judged. Because cronos was still trapped after hades death. Along with Hephaestus. I think that if you're soul was already laid to rest or cast to tarturas you were still stuck. But those who where waiting didn't know where to go therefore retuning to the surface.
Lots to unpack here.
The whole Gaia immortality is a myth.. Gaia did not make Kratos immortal. The only person who knows why hes immortal is Cory.
You bring up the sins thing, but that was for Kratos just to get his strength back. Kratos could leave anytime.
Not like that matters cuz Hades is dead we literally saw souls go back to the world of the living. But we don't know if Elysium souls can do that.
The Titans like Cronos and atlas weren't souls. But prisoners in Tartarus. They didn't die to get to Tartarus.
Yes she could still be a kid.
@@JonFord in Greek mythology if you kill your family you are cursed by gaia. And every time kratos climbs out of hades he already has a physical body. His soul doesn't separate from his body like any other mortal.
@@JonFord hades doesn't have control over the sould that go to elysium. He has control over souls in the underworld. That's a whole different fate then being granted entrance into elysium. Hades doesn't have control of who goes to elysium or not pretty sure it's the fates
@@D.J.L.32 What Confused Chrysanthemus said plus you need to remember that the God of War franchise has been very loose when adapting the greek myths (Atlas and the Blade of Olympus say hi) meaning we shouldn't outright take the actual greek myths as evidence for what is to become of Calliope considering how ambiguous GoW 3's ending is in regards to Elysium.
@@javiervasquez625 but hades does not have no control whatsoever over who goes to elysium tho. That's the fates
I hate to break it to you but to find piece is to pass on 🤦♂️
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Whatever the case may be, they need to stop with this female take over bullshit Brock died and they had the female take over and then Thor died, and then the same thing they need to stop this nonsense
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