Why upgraded F1 rivals aren't catching Red Bull
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Red Bull has dominated Formula 1 since the new ground-effect regulations were introduced at the start of last year. But the chasing pack is showing no signs of catching up.
The combination of Max Verstappen and the Red Bull RB19 looks unstoppable and has been in a league of its own throughout the season.
What’s more, Verstappen is able to be conservative given there’s no point in taking risks and stressing the car and power unit more than necessary. That means we have not necessarily seen the full potential of the RB19 exploited over a full race distance.
So at a time when the rest of the field is unpredictable and tightly-packed, why is Red Bull still head and shoulders above the rest and in a position where it could yet pull off the almost-impossible feat of winning every race this season?
The answer to that question is a complicated one, so we’ve broken it down into 10 reasons that explain its supremacy.
0:00 Intro
1:25 Red Bull has developed
2:17 Lag in the system
3:02 Peaky cars
4:44 Architectural limitations
5:24 Cost cap limitations
5:52 Big changes haven’t worked
7:30 Red Bull not under pressure
8:12 Adrian Newey
8:53 Aston Martin and McLaren aren't ready
9:31 Ferrari and Mercedes got it wrong
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Max is also incredibly clinical, if RB had 2 Perezs they’d still be ahead but it’d be a lot more open
Pérez belongs to the midfield, always has been, just like Bottas.
Leclerc, Russel, Norris, Hamilton or Alonso would be right up there with Max if their cars would have the same strength, as the RB19.
@@LordViktorHun88 I don't think the rest would be as dominant in this car. RB is committed to Max and have developed the car accordingly. It's exactly what he wants and likes in a car. Also, I love Leclerc and while he is fast, he is far from consistent and do think he is a bit overrrated.
@@LordViktorHun88 Thanks to Rosberg + Hamilton and even back to Weber + Vettel... nobody wants two #1 drivers anymore. It just causes friction. Look at Leclerc and Vettel in Brazil. Super nice guys, but still bumped into each other because they're not going to give an inch. There's also the money aspect of it. Two Hamiltons costs a lot.
Every team wants a Bottas/Weber/Barichello. Someone good, but not good enough to upset things.
@@brendanvanderlaan5971you are right about leclerc being overrated. In my opinion sainz is getting better result by staying consistant in pace. Although i do not agree with that the RB19 is built for max, they tune the car to the drivers liking, there is no reason for rb to focus on a single driver since that is a giant risk. Perez just can't drive the thing, it is the fastest car on the grid and he should atleast make q3
@@KaBLAU You're right. Perez is just not doing great. Although the car, perhaps by accident, really suits max's preferred driving style
What's odd to me is how everyone already forgets that this exact thing happened in 2014 and 2017 with nercedes. They got the regs almost perfectly while everyone else were just trying to catch up. People are trying to say red bull need to be stopped because this isn't fun or exciting. This happens constantly in F1. It's the norm really. It's seasons like 2021 that are the exception.
2017 Mercedes did not get the regs perfectly lol, that car was the embodiment of peaky and Diva like with how the car was
Them improving throughout the season and Ferrari implosion in Singapore/Malaysia and Japan is what won Mercedes both championships
2012 was the exception. 2021 was just a battle of 2 drivers. 2012 was when 6 different constructors won that year.
It had nothing to do with regs. Merc just had a beast of an engine.
Nah at least Mercedes had two drivers fighting it out during the year. Even Rosberg won one of those years. Teams even had enough money to throw at the problem which they can't now.
You can make more money betting who wilould win the race then than now.
None of those had a fine for breaching cost cap so it's not the same either way
Verstappen has stated multiple times, as recently as Silverstone that he's not pushing the car to its limit during the race. It makes sense as to why, there's a lot races and there's no point when you can sit at the front managing the pace. I think we'll only get to see the true pace of their car if another team makes a big jump in performance after the summer break.
and to preserve their engines throughout the year
and this is partially why I'd argue the budget cap should also be on a sliding scale. Why go half way with just aero time if no one can actually act on it? Makes no sense.
I’m convinced the RB19 has at least 2.5/3 seconds of pace Max is hiding.
Mans coasting, isn’t even being stressed in the slightest.
@@Ozzzzz8612.5/3 would be insane tbh, 1 sec maybe
@@Ozzzzz861 If we go by qualifying and practice average, it's more 1.5 seconds give or take, depending on the weekend.
Could have been a 2010 style title fight this year without Max
Well at least he is consistent unlike checo. If he is inconsistent like checo then it would have been a titled fight.
It’s a 2010 title fight, for 2nd in the driver’s championship 😂
2010 was an insane season. 4 drivers with the possibility of winning the championship going into the last race. 🔥🔥 I don't think we'll see that happening with these crap regulations
@@Euclides287 I'm not sure what do you mean crap regulations when the entire field (except one driver) is as close as it ever gotten. It's not the rule makers' fault if one team got it too right, F1 was always like this.
just ignore Max and rooting for another driver to get 2nd if u are happen to be Max's fan tbh, since it's no point rooting for someone that has 70~80% chance to win. that's how i enjoy this season.
There's something to be said that the engine will be changing rather dramatically soon. There's a window on their dominance that they are clearly capitalizing on.
2026 isnt that soon, Red Bull do have the ability to tackle their issue in 2.5 years
Capitalizing? What an odd word choice. They are dominating because they are fast lol
I think Redbull created a positive feed back loop. The car so well designed that any improvements on it would be marginal and even negatively impact the performance in a few cases. Whereas other teams upgrades will give them substantial gains on each upgrade.
Honestly the newer engine had some ppl guessing a lost of lot power almost 200hp lost according to some youtubers so i dont think RB dominance in jeopardy yet. The reason is althought pace might slows down still the car consept still is ground effect so the philoshophy is still the same and budget caps still exist so no mercedes easy ways of throwing money so they go fast route. I do believ 2026 engine change will make new race and title conteder but not much i guess considering not many had grasp of the ground effect cars uet
@@jaythekid4728 There is a theoretical "perfect" car, and the closer you are to that the harder it gets to get closer still. If you are quite far away it's easy to make a change that gives you a relatively big boost, but that progress inevitably will slow down too as they get closer to the highest available performance.
It’s more than just the car. Red Bull currently have the best driver in the best car with the best strategist and best pit crew. The stars have aligned for them and there’s no stopping them right now.
Not the best driver but one of the best
@@ausriusdidziokas6771the best period, we are talking about currently
Unfortunately AM has only one driver that is banking serious points.
It's just ridiculous.
If AM had two Strolls they'd be fighting with Alpine, but if they had two Fernandos they'd be almost 100 points ahead of Mercedes.
Exactly. Fernando really needs to up his pace
Exactly. Stroll really needs to down his pace. So Alonso can catch up
same with red bull though
*aren't catching Max
Lol🤣
Jesus you Max fans are something else. He has by far the dominant car and he’s an S tier driver, driving the best car. Simple as that. No different than Hamilton or Schumacher when they were dominating. Yes he’s clearly on that level. Switch him with any other top driver on the grid in that RB19 (Alonso or Hamilton even Leclerc or Lando) and he’s not winning shit. The car is that good.
@@thebbiddim882cry he won against ham in slower car
@thebbiddim882 wrong but whatever gets you to sleep at night, max beat Hamilton by 20 plus seconds in a lot of races in 2021 on merit and he's been outperforming his car for years so saying anyone can do what he's doing is bs
@@thebbiddim882 I think he's just emphasizing the fact that whilst there are two Red Bulls, the field isn't catching just one of them.
This season Max can simply sit back, relax, and enjoy the RB catering.
This is a great technical breakdown and Adrian Newey is a throwback to the likes of Colin Chapman and John Barnard. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is the best wind tunnel in racing and Chapman, Barnard, and Newey cut their teeth in Indy car racing. Adrian is a slide rule guy who does his computations and gives it to the CAD techs. He masted his aerodynamics and suspension concepts building successful Indy-winning race cars and now can literally eyeball the rules and come up with the right concept for the new regulations. Cutting Red Bull's wind tunnel time does not mean much as we've seen this season because Adrian's knowledge is so vast and deep wind tunnel testing is an afterthought in my opinion. I'm hoping the other teams can get closer next season but it's not likely because he probably has the RB 20 done in his head it's just a matter of giving the information to the computer wizards.
yup. Newey can intuitively come up with a package that will be good and the wind tunnel will just give confirmation and suggest alternatives, highlight flaws
Nicely put. Just curious why you don’t include Gordon Murray on that list?
@@kylem324 he fell off after his last Brabham.
@@kylem324 Gordon Murray invented pullrod and pushrod suspensions but never worked at Indy.
It's not like they cut the wind tunnel or punish them for the budget breach that harshly though
I remember seeing one comment that said the Red Bull have such good tyre degradation that it’s kinda a weakness in qualifying cause it takes a bit more to put heat into their tyres
Weakness in starts particularly, that is why sometimes Max been overtaken at the start
I think there is a small bit of truth in that, but I think red bull deliberately set up their car to be good in the races, because they know, that overtaking is really easy with the new cars and their insane straightlinespeed and DRS advantage.
Ironic,in trying to destroy the Mercedes they've become the Mercedes, this was what made them come up with DAS
This overview/analysis was impressive. I subscribed. Cheers.
doesn’t help that max is so damn consistent.
Makes me wonder if Max has Nvidia Tensor machine learning cores
The cost cap pretty much ensures that teams that pusue the wrong or flawed concept will be punished heavily. They'll now be unable to simply throw money at a problem to solve it. It basically punishes teams that charge in being too confident and insistent of their car concepts that it leaves them open to being leapfrogged by teams that are quick on their feet in innovating and improving their cars.
But by that inherently it limits innovations especially in conjunction with how the regs are written
Look at these regs within 1.25 years everyone has converged to the RB model because they don’t have time neither money they would have to fully explore other concepts
That's a good thing imo. Rewards those who get it right not those with most money.
You could argue that this has always applied to teams with limited budgets like Williams in the past decade. So the cost cap simply levels the playing field.
The only teams that can "throw money at a problem to solve it" are Merc, Ferrari and Redbull. Having a costcap makes it a lot more fair for all the teams
It all started in 2022, where RBR had the car without flaws, a great feat in itself and for that alone they deserve the constructors title, but the problem was that everyone else had issues, made wrong design choices and by the time the teams knew how to fix it, RBR was already improving their car.
And those that needed to redo their car, they weren't allowed. So they had to wait till the season is over.
By then RBR had 10 months on everybody.
This could be easily fixed by having mor testing allowance/periods for everybody. You start from scratch with a new design chance, allow teams to work out issues so by race 1 teams are not struggling with issues such as porpoising. We want every team to have their best car on track not a version of cope because of budget and testing constraints.
The win margin was also conflated in some races. British GP had Norris and Hamilton fighting for 2nd place. Canadian GP had Hamilton and Alonso fighting for 2nd place. In Monaco Alonso made an additional pitstop. In Bahrein Alonso had to battle his way up from P7 after the start.
One of the advantages Verstappen has is that everyone behind him is fighting for position and are forced into sub optimal pitstop strategies.
Average qualifying gap is only 0.188. That shouldn't be considered dominant at all.
Crazy how different this season would be going if Max was more at Checo's ability level, the man is a machine, already one of the all time greats for sure.
Stfu when it was Hamilton it’s the car but when it max it’s his talent.
Max is so good that the team rarely has to develop the the car to handle like he wants it to, like they did in the beginning of '22. They now can simply focus on improving the overall performance in ways that doesn't compromise that feel, something that is done by proper planning of upgrades. Perez, like everyone before him until Ricciardo, is (or was) just the best option to fill the second seat and not disrupt Max's number one status, but it is clear that he does need the car to handle differently to be comfortable in it, like Gasly and Albon. The fact that this has been the case with so many drivers who have proven themselves to be good prospects in different cars, shows both how good Max is and how much RB is exploiting his skill. A top tier driver in the fastest car is not something new but in all other cases their teammates were never so inconsistent. In the past either no driver was supported over the other so much, or Max is in a literal different league compared to the other drivers. The latter seems unlikely, since there are certainly plenty of drivers whose driving styles suit the RB19 better and they may never partner Verstappen in RB, but it is possible and if it is, Max should not be just one of the greats, but the greatest, because his talent will simply be scary.
Let’s not get to ahead of ourselves, great sure but greatest? Doubtful, still needs better teammates for that to be certain.
@@sgript Of course, that's what I said, his teammates are highly regarded though, but not the fastest on the grid. The fact that RB is developing the car only to his liking also plays a factor, but such dominance to teammates with such a fast car is something that isn't so common. Would it be the same if Hamilton was in the other car? Most likely not, but it is just speculation just like everything I wrote.
@@TheZanzaroni Would you say the same thing about Shumi? Hamilton? Vettel? But sure, Max is the greatest ever even though he's never been challenged by a teammate. lol I do agree that he's good, though.
The only hope F1 has is that the MCL60B still has a LOT of room to improve in the slow speed & aero efficiency but RBR will continue to move the goal posts as others improve.
Yh but mercedes powers them so they wont give them A spec engines.
@@SD-mi2vc well, Aston Martin is already on par with Mercedes
@@Kaizzer like i said. Mercedes wont make it last. Aston martin uses mercedes wind tunnel and parts, tgey give them b spec parts.
@@SD-mi2vc the FIA mandates all engines to be the same from the provider giving them
@@SD-mi2vc This is one of the biggest myths in F1.
Really great and informative video and it would really tip this high level of content above and beyond if there was 1/2 a second to 1 or 2 seconds longer with the tempo of changing between picture examples. As someone relatively new to formula 1 these past few years I struggle to notice the subtle differences in comparisons between cars, even when you highlight them with neon colours (which is so incredibly helpful by the way). I just struggle to view and compare with my eyes if the pictures, especially the comparisons are only there for 3 seconds or less, while trying to follow the brilliantly informatively worded context you provide. Love your work, keep it up guys!
Usually they have the comparisons on screen a lot longer when they do the breakdowns on individual teams upgrades and such, almost to the point where it gets annoying lol
The situation with Red Bull this year actually reminds me that with Ferrari in 2004: in both cases, they have started with a huge advantage and catching up was yet a difficult task; then, again in both cases there was a chasing pack of four competitors (BAR, Renault, Williams and McLaren then; Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari and McLaren now) which actually were closer one each other than they were to the leader, and (for this year, at least hitherto) none able to be consistently ahead of the others, but each prevailing on this or that track and for this or that period, and just stealing points one each other.
Wasnt that also the year where Ferrari was starting the season with the car from 2003 for the first races, while still dominating with just that?
@@newsmithyoutube No, that's 2002 with the 2001 car.
@@TenorCantusFirmus You're right!
I don't know why i'm unable to stop watching these videos even though i know for a fact that they don't say anything we all F1 fans don't already know. No insider information, no in-depth analysis. Congrats, the video editing is excellent.
What wasn't highlighted about Newey being RedBull's greatest advantage is the fact that he's the only Chief Tech Officer that was also around in the 1st Ground Effects era. That most likely gave them a huge head start over the rest of the teams as he has unrivalled knowledge in ground effects thanks to that experience.
I guess thats true. But thats still insane: the first ground effect era was 40 years ago. You would expect the difference in computational modelling to be so large that his knowledge would be redundant or outdated
@@DiederikCA you'd think so but what is most telling for me that his experience and prior knowledge is probably Redbull's biggest advantage right is that there was no other team that matched them in terms of the balance between peak downforce and performance with porpoising right from the off last season with the introduction of these new regulations. There may have been other cars that had less porpoising but they had nowhere near the pace that the Redbull had and at no point did the Redbull ever look like it had excessive porpoising like Mercedes and Ferrari appeard to have. Also, the man still prefers drawing by hand! One thing is for certain and that is that Newey simply ain't normal.
Adrian's prior experience and knowledge of ground effects is the main factor at work here, add in Max having matured as a driver and you've got a winning formula, a decent #2 would push Max more, he's just cruising on a Sunday afternoon.
@@DiederikCA but that's the thing. Computational modelling and simulation can't effectively factor in what can go wrong with ground effects. Merc kept saying with their zero sidepid design philosophy that the ceiling is very high in terms of peak downforce. Where they failed is how to to ensure consistency which is where Redbull is just way too good. Newey knew this before everyone and got it pretty much bang on right from the off with only minor tweaks needed here or there at most.
@@DiederikCANot necessarily, he knew anything about ground force and how it interacted with race cars, everyone else had zero ideas.
Computer modeling is also not perfect,I recall hearing that's the main issue Mercedes had with porpoising was that they couldn't find a way to fix it because it didn't appear in their Sim models
Do not underestimate the Max Verstappen factor. If you do these bar charts with one for Max and one for Checo, you will see a huge difference
Exactly. What we're seeing right now isn't necessarily Red Bull dominance, it's Max Verstappen dominance. If Max had a teammate similar to what Lewis had with Bottas, it probably would be full dominance.
The guy need help to win his first championship
Nothing but a fraud driving for a team of cheats
@@Hitherto90bottas was better than checo. Checo struggles to even get out of q1. The pressure of competing with the likes of max is crushing him.
@@gameintheglitch1860 Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.
@@Hitherto90 😂😂😂 you max fans are so damn delusional
You could have started the list with Newey and leave it at that.
Him being at RB at the start of the regulation change to nail the concept (which was right up his alley) at the very first try when no one else could meant RB got a huge head start that is and will be near impossible to catch.
Also the design complements Max's driving style, which made a formidable combo.
Bang on...newey will be making the RB quicker and quicker..
Everyone else will be playing catch up
Newey cut his teeth straight out of college with Bobby Rahal and designed his championship winning IMSA GTP
and Indy cars…watched sprint cars on US dirt tracks and introduced rear weight jacking to Indy cars…dude is genius
What? How did RB got a huge head start when the regulations were finalised together with all the team bosses, FIA and Formula 1?
Stop making stuff up.
How do you slow down the progress of your rivals updates? Give them a glimpse of what they all want to see and let them focus on one area - while you know that isnt the key to your performance.
Isnt lack of real world testing an issue as well? In the past teams were able to take their cars out on [private] tracks and test them before each season, now they have a very small window to do that. I think this plays a huge role as well.
💯 and there's a solution for that.
1. Top 3 gets 4 days of testing
2. 4th-6th gets 5 days of testing
3. 7th-10th gets 7 days of testing
Each can choose their preferred track. with the testing days done in one go, or, it can be stretched out through the season.
@@hueyfreeman7810 Apparently the reason they don't do it this way is because it's too expensive for the bottom teams
@@seventh-hydra it makes sense. But this would boost the midfield team 10 fold
@@hueyfreeman7810 Yeah I agree completely. It's a shame that money is such a huge sink in regards to that because I really like the idea of people just chucking a car around a track until they figure out something they like.
I'd rather that than just CFD and wind tunnels. Good old trial and error
@@seventh-hydra 👍
Teams should paint their floor fins a mottled selection of dark colors, like a camouflage. It would make it much more difficult for other teams to copy when lifted overhead.
Good idea for visibility, it’s just that the paint would make the car heavier.
I don't think that would actually increase difficulty all that much. These teams have the resources to find out a car's floor setup when they see it, painted or not.
And why would you waste paint on a spot that only gets seen when the car gets damaged. Just don't wreck the car...
they have Adrian Newey, especially with ground effect (he made a thesis about that in his final university year). ofc he can master that.
Honda engine + the genius Newey + drivers = absolute combo for dominance
A crazy fact is that Red Bull's straight line speed comes from low drag rather than a strong engine. Because their advantage comes in the higher speeds and gears. If they had the strongest they would have an unmatchable acceleration and would be even faster than how they are now . They have the second strongest with the best hybrid system.
Driver(minus the s) Perez is def performing not good enough
Also budget cap means you can't spend your way out of failures.
Ferrari is considered the most powerful engine
@CB56__ yes and no. I think it is on paper, but it can't sustain whatever they're getting on dyno for more than like three weekends before exploding. I'm not opposed to what they did, focusing basically all there efforts on performance and sorting out reliability later(as the homologation rules basically encouraged this) but those reliability improvements have to come at some point, and right now it seems like turning down the engine is all they've got.
It's not just Redbull. While Redbull is fast, Redbull alone isn't fast. It's max that is pushing that car to its very limits. And why checo fails to get into q3.
I do agree but you can't deny that the car is very strong. At Silverstone the car was half a second faster a lap than the second fastest car. F1 themselves published this data.
It is also Max Verstappen who feeds Adrian Newey with very concise information about how the car feels and where it can be made better.
The perfect combination for any team!
Checo making school boy errors that's why he hasn't got into q3
Still, it is because Max Verstappen that we know that car is fast, this video wouldn’t exist if Perez were RB no.1.
Shouldve been a 'The Max Verstappen factor' chapter to this vid.
Then again this is a technical analysis.
@@soundscape26 You can't ignore that generational F1 stars in their prime have a tendency to make a good car look great, a great car unbeatable....technically speaking.
@@mgers75 Yes sure but these Aramco sponsored videos tend to talk exclusively about the cars.
@@mgers75 alonso in that redbullcar will only perform slightly worse
I have been looking at the car and what their designer said when Mercedees turned up with their first car and it appears that red bull has a radiator bypass flap inside their sidpods this will stall the downforce when DRS is open making the car lighter thus the speed difference when the DRS is open. Just a guess but it works on paper
Newey builds cars mostly focused in more toward DF and compromised top end. The RBRes in Vettel era didn't have one of the most powerful PU at the times. Now Honda is one the best PU. RBR ground effect era today is an OP car. It is a straight line and DF king in unison.
very interesting report!
Two word, “aero efficiency”
Two words, one name: “Adrian Newey”
Two words, one name also: "Max Verstappen"
Two words, one team: "Red Bull"
Two words, one race engineer: "Gianpiero Lambiase"
Two words, one truth: "Catering Budget"
They can catch the RedBull. They can't catch Max.
He is the easiest to catch.
@@johnayomide4793 Yeah he doesn't make mistakes often and is consistent unlike checo
@@johnayomide4793why haven’t they done it then
@@johnayomide4793 lol Max hater? 😂
@@leishembayengkhom33but he doesn’t like the hard way that’s his weakness
I'm not an engineer but if feel that the correlation data has been a big point where some teams struggled since the new regs. It seems Red Bull's models are moire precise that the competition, especially Mercedes. All the data told them their 2022 car would be fast and din't want to bin the initial car concept because based on the data it was worth developing and understanding it more. Interpreting windtunnel and CFD data on a car which heavily depends on downforce created by the floor must be a lot different.
Ok that thumbnail is awesome
Because rb has the best design
design + driver + staff
Imagine if Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso and Norris all had the same car
5 minutes is about the longest I can pay attention to Edd Straw before starting to doze off. I swear the man’s voice is like audio Ambien to me.
Its the normal thing for F1 sadly and will never change, top driver and top car always makes for a dominant combo.
Mercedes did get it wrong, because they relied on simulation data more than real-life.
Ferrari didn't get pretty much anything wrong. They were quite a bit ahead of the rest early in 2022. I wonder what could have gone wrong *cough* rule changes *cough*?
Even before the TD, the RB was starting to look faster than Ferrari. The problem was the same as this year, tyre wear. Ferrari just ate up its tyres quicker. I think the reality is that the RB concept just has a wider range of conditions its fast in. Ferrari is the ultimate pace machine when the conditions in right, but it's much slower outside that range. Ferrari took the rules at face value, if we're running the ground effect then the lower the bottom of the car the better. RB anticipated that you will need performance at various ride heights due to bumps and curbs, so they designed their car around that premise.
The rule change certainly did not help, but I don't think Ferrari could have kept up with Red Bull even if the rules stayed the same. The concept just wasn't as good over a whole season as Red Bull's.
@@mrgalaxy396as a ferrari fan, i agree, ferrari has a good design but not better than redbull.
The main issue with ferrari’s concept is the tyre wear that leads to limitations in race conditions, you know you can’t win championship by stacking pole position, race wins instead.
However, as a tifosi that rule change still pissed me off that we cannot go in direction with the bathub sidepod design, because i personally love the design. Also it destroys charles championship aspiration completely last year (aside multiple charles’ mistakes and the pitwall clownery of course).
Ferrari was faster (or more like on same pace as Red Bull) at the start of 2022, because the RB18 was heavier than the F1-75 at launch. Once RB managed to bring the weight down, they got the upper hand. But yes, the TD has set back Maranello quite a bit, while it was not affecting RB.
Also as it appeared, although Ferrari's concept didn't look bad at first, it cannot be developed further as much as the RB concept.
@@rafidmantari I'm a fellow Tifosi as well, understand the feeling completely. Seeing the title hopes slip away into the shadow realm for Charles last year was really disappointing. Yeah the rule changes pissed me off too at the start of the season seeing how much RB benefited from it. They'd still be the best car but the others would probably be closer than they are now and some track configurations would have made them actually fight for their race win this year. Nothing compared to the disappointment in the car Ferrari brought this year, it's such a mess. I've pretty much given up on Charles ever becoming world champion, maybe if he lands a lucky seat for 2026 but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
On an unrelated note, when the F1 team struggles the rest of the Ferrari racing empire seems to be doing great. I've really enjoyed seeing them win the Nordschleife 24h with their brand new GT3 model and them winning Le Mans 24h with their new 499P LMH prototype was an amazing feeling. I highly suggest getting into other motorsport categories if F1 is feeling like a chore, it's a lot of fun. Definitely help with the Ferrari pain and now I don't have to feel so embarassed about the Ferrari apparel I own.
@@mrgalaxy396 Thanks for the reply man!
Yes completely agreed. I also give zero hope for Charles championship aspiration at Ferrari, they need a big reset in F1.
I actually been following the endurance racing scene this year. Feltso good with that LeMans win! it really proof that in the right management Ferrari still capable to win race at the highest competition.
I really hope the win at LeMans by the Hypercar team really push the F1 team to get their shit together.
Because the budgets are limited and now teams with a baked in advantage from a rule change can’t be caught
Still took 7 years until someone actually caught Merc (with a legal engine) and that was with no budget cap and a couple of regulation changes
@@Wizzkidwas Yes
@@Wizzkidwas It did have engine development cap from 2014 till like 2017 or something like that. They have tokens they could spend with the massive engine performance advantage of mercedes it was the big reason it took that long for other teams to catch up.
@@nulian the token system IIRC was abandoned by start of 2016 or maybe even 2015
Exactly this is the major flaw of the budget cap. They should put it on a sliding scale like wind tunnel time otherwise this will keep happening over and over
1st of improved Merc power is Aston Martin, 2nd McLaren also Merc powered, 3rd Williams another Merc powered team. They seem to have one weakness even after the upgrades and that is outright speed against Honda/RBR.
I think the Williams has a higher top speed or at least comparable to the red bull but they have a car made of eels
All 4 engines produce around 1000hp and that is why most of the teams are so close. It is too easy to say that the car is making the difference and RBR shows what a good driver like Perez and an exceptional one like Verstappen can do with a car. But you are also depended on strategy and pitstops and those are also areas where RBR is very good. Red Bull was always strong in these area's but was for a long time lacking the proper engine power...
Is it only mclaren with the same suspension setup as redbull?
I really hope RB wins every single race. That would be a major blow to the face of the people who make this evermore complicated regulations.
Would be a major blow for F1 in general. What's the point of spending 4 hours of a weekend watching F1 when the same driver wins every race uncontested. Even in the Merc era there was more variety of race winners. This season makes even 2020 look interesting by comparison
@@kityhawk2000that’s what I’m genuinely curious about, what was different in 2020 that even tho there was more of a gap to the front it was still more interesting
@ploppyjr2373 it was more interesting because Mercedes had events happen that broke up their runs of wins such as Max winning the 70th Aniversary GP at Silverstone, Gaslys win at Monza and the Sakir race. Also Turkey even though Hamilton won was pretty good because the Mercedes struggled so much with the track conditions over much of the weekend. There hasn't been a race this season where there has been any doubt that a Redbull would win it comfortably.
@@kityhawk2000 might be rude to say this but the does that just kinda mean “2020 was more fun because lewis was worse than max”
@ploppyjr2373 guess that depends if you think less dominant equals worse? Is Max better than 2021 Because he has gotten better or Because he has a better car and no one in an opposing car who can keep up with him?
Simple: Adrian Newey is a god
... with a disciple who can give important input regarding how the car behaves on the track.
your god goes bald, has greying hair and a beer belly?
Cost cap regs, by reducing development capability you increase the amount of upgrades (and time) it takes before you get into the diminishing returns, these regulations will give red bull a free pass to dominate that makes Mercedes efforts look average, unless of course they get their power unit wrong.
can we make a video directly comparing the race pace, qualifying, and points score of perez vs aston martin vs ferrari vs mercedes?
Its called Mexican ruins Red bull on RocketPoweredMohawk channel. enjoy
Because Red Bull have a Max
They catch Perez just fine lmao
McLaren also made gains by trying to copy the RB closer than anyone else. This doesn't necessarily mean they have the skills to put together a challenger for next year.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
This video explains perfectly why it is easier to dominate now then before the cost cap.
ALOT OF this is the engine change in 2022. The increase in ethanol from 5-15% massively favored Honda who are use to building thst for the American market. My opinion is that Ferrari lost more to having to turn down the engine than they did to change in aero midway through last season.
Yup Honda had more experience with E10 fuels than all other PU suppliers but that’s the regs for you it is what it is
Yeah, having ton of experience with E85 in IndyCar (funny to think that F1 only now taking baby steps, hehe) for sure helped to tweak engines.
AT runs a Honda, slowest team, so there's that
Aston Martin, Williams and now McLaren jumped up a lot from last year. It takes time to realise that you should go down the Redbull path and then make the big changes that go with that. I’d expect Mercedes and maybe Ferrari to have a similar huge step next year as they take the big steps to shift philosophy (but you might not notice because Redbull step forward again)
If u look at the last decade, Merc hasn't had to come from behind. They nailed the turbo hybrid regs and completely dominated for many years. It took RB the better part of that decade to catch up. It seems they just assumed that would occur again, when it didn't they made a terrible change in the wrong direction. Also the way they solved problems was just throwing money at them. Now one must incredibly naive to think teams aren't creatively spending money far above the cost cap, but it has put them in more of a box. So it's been a snow ball effect of bad design and decisions. U can tell by interviews, comments, and even body language that Toto and Lewis are at their wits end. Even getting F1 to step in and begging them to do so again. Most of all it shows while Lewis is certainly a good driver, having a car seconds a lap faster can shine an inaccurate light on the situation.
The circumstances to RB catching up were hugely different though.
RBR was behind merc primarily because they were married to Renault at the time- who refused to put in the effort to develop their Engine.
They’re real comeuppance was when the Honda started working
No way ur acc saying that the only reason why lewis hamilton is seen as a good driver is cos he had a good car but ur not giving that same logic to every other world champion that has entered the sport 😂😂
Why does everyone forget 2018 when mercedes DID have to come from behind. Do people not know anything about F1? It's infuriating.
@@ab8jeh except he isn't talking about 2018? you are the one that is infuriating, infecting the comments section with toxicity.
I've been summing up Mercedes' issues in on single sentence: They No Longer Have Ross Brawn. I have been summing up everyone else's lack of performance relative to red bull in a single, similar sentence: They Do Not Have Adrian Newey. Take a cursory glance at where either of those two were for the last thirty years or so and you'll quickly spot the real rivalry of modern F1 - not Ferrari Vs. McLaren, Honda power Vs. Renault Power, Prost Vs. Senna, it's basically Brawn Vs. Newey designed vehicles, with very rare off-seasons when neither were truly in charge of the team, or had yet to organise things the way that allowed them to work at their best. As an example, Newey's '96 Williams was actually able to coast to a '97 victory because that's how dominant the package was. The Mercedes that Ross envisioned remained so dominant, albeit with a shrinking gap, because the underlying regulations never truly forced a full-chassis redesign so Mercedes F1 were basically able to keep going with the same fundamental machine until the regulation change, at which point the lack of Ross Brawn became apparent.
Thank Perez for their upgrades
Redbull developed when no one else did by breaking the cost cap. If you have a car that is .25 seconds a lap faster it takes 40 laps to build a 10 second lead. If no one else is moving it takes you 10 seconds. Developing outside the rules can’t be underestimated
…on top of that. They have Adrian newey
You aren't getting a two tenth of a second advantage from one hundred thousand dollars, not in f1
Even if a team is catching up, rb will publish a small update and the gap will be 20 secs again
I respectfully raise the point that if RedBull was so far ahead, why isn't Perez 2nd in every race? He's at best 6th by the end of the race
Because he’s garbage in qualifying. Otherwise he’d be on the podium every race
bc Perez is a terrible qualifier
@@ahl.56 even so, if redbull are so fast, Perez should be right beside him every weekend
@@dominicgibson3010 he just not good enough
Perez is P2 in the points. What else is there? Max Wong help chevo if he has lead also. Just hangs him out.
GP2 engine + Max genius + Adrian Newey
You mean Adrian Newey's genius. He's the one responsible for making Vettel a 4x champion
@@Euclides287 LOL! then i guess ross brawn is/was responsible for making lewis an 7 time champion.
Given the increased height of RB’s venturi tunnels compared to other floors seen, could Mercedes ‘Zero-pod’ concept actually work? It seems they were running stiff and low, and sealing off the floor, creating porpoising.
The irony of the cost cap being introduced to close the pack is now the reason Red Bull is pulling away with the title
1 Red Bull is.
This season, for newer fans, is a prime example of F1 in my opinion. The car is like 80% of total performance. That last 20% is up to the driver. Max gets all 20% out of the car, Checo/Gasly/Albon... did not.
You can tell who is maximizing the car when drivers are similar in results. Ferrari and Merc probably have the most even teams. McLaren a close 3rd. Max and Checo are so far apart as is Alonso and Stroll.
It’s because they have the best catering by far.
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It is definitely a great time to be a Red Bull Racing and Max Verstappen fan.
There's no real RB or verstappen fans. verstappen fans are either newbies who saw who is the driver dominating and latched onto him for cheap internet validation. Or ones who were genuine supporters of other teams or drivers but after years of disappointment, they want some validation so now are verstappen "fans". Basically, all glory hunters.
@@peeturpain9379 Haven't met a lot of people who are living in their own world like you are... the delusion levels are insane.
@peeturpain9379 I've read some drivel in my time but this one takes the cake 😂
@@peeturpain9379what absolute nonsense 😂
@@peeturpain9379 I’ve supported the guy since mid 2018, never left. Not sure what you’re on about
Do all teams use the same brakes?
I'm new to F1, have I missed something? Being able to keep your ill gotten advantages has nothing to do with you still winning?🙄 Does a bank robber get to keep the stolen money? The RB19 should be outfitted to pre cost cap performance spec. RB should be stripped of all accolades incurred during implementation of CP advantage. Now implement penalties for the wrong doing. Thank you for your channel as it has helped me on my F1 journey. Subbed
Sponsored by Aramco.. jesus christ, nevermind
Why does that matter?
As if Western corporations are any better
Money is money, not like it affects the content
Don't blame Red Bull for being ahead, blame the others for staying behind
Amr23 will be great in tracks with more corners
In terms of potential performance, I guarantee that both the car and driver are not giving it their all. The car is probably running on a conservative mapping, around 90 percent of the potential full power it could be making over a full race distance, simply because they are so far clear, that there is no need for them to crank anything up and risk breaking or wearing out any components. And Max is probably also driving at 90 percent of his all pace. Like whenever he wants to get fastest lap, he can simply charge up the battery and boom, done. So all in, that car can probably be up to 20 percent faster if Red Bull wanted to go all out.
Amazing car but also requires an amazing driver two Perez’s and red bull may not be dominating. Hopefully merc make some gains as their driver pairing can challenge Max with the right equipment
I am surprised you didn't said Max as one of the factor 🤔
Was Max responsible for Alain Prost, Damon Hill, Jaques Villeneuve, Mika Hakkinen and Sebastian Vettel's championships? 🤔
Tbf, this is a technical analysis
@@Euclides287technically he has had an indirect hand in Hamilton championship as the MP4-23 was a direct evolution of the MP4-20
Redbull have designed an incredible car & its their time to set the pace, Y the rest play catch up! It wasn't that long ago it was Mercedes winning everything, now its RB turn, it would be nice to see more teams wining races, so the new features haven't really changed the racing!
rb always held themself back . the fact max can get so fast in last corner of everyrace track kinda proof it i belive .
I agree completely and the aborted quali laps when he's already ahead. They're 100% sandbagging. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped sandbagging and there was no SC they could finish a full minute ahead
Aramco: powered by blood.
Would you care if it was Apple? Powered by little children in the Congo
@@benlonghurst7777 Nah it's little kids in China
Because Rbr are with 1 year ahead,they have the best team,best engine,best aerodynamic,best psychological, strategy etc, nobody can touch they until come new technical regulations.
Problems are because they are to much ahead others
Id argue the opposition is closer than the begging of year, just still behind
I honestly think the suspension set up is the difference.
Ironic the cost cap restrictions have acheivbed the complete opposite of what the regulations intended. When a team gets ahead it's impossible for other teams to catch up...
The cost cap is a good thing if there was no cost than McLaren and astin wouldn't have a podium and it would only benefit mercedes where the can outspend every team on the grid
Except they all had the same budget and RB ended up doing a much better job than everyone else. Ferrari started off faster and went backwards in development, regardless of the introduced TD. Yeah it sucks seeing another dominant period, but at some point you have to let this be an actual engineering competition. The playing field is failry level these days, if RB is so far ahead Mercedes, Ferrari, Alpine and the rest have no one but themselves to blame.
The cost cap is anti F1 honestly, if you ain’t got the money to compete then why race F1 isn’t a poor man sport it’s meant to be the most extreme engineering competition there is for motorsports
@@vladimirlenin9749Ferrari were spending more than Mercedes btw
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 it's actually better for small teams. Less spending with cost cap, and a teams value is all time high I'd imagine.
IN the past Mercedes Era The Team can Win Because they have advantage in her car power and reliability and her mechanic group that was good too the management event the money they spent cant be compare to another team. the different is the Mercedes era is the other team cant win against Mercedes due the money they spent and more development than other in Regarding Engine but another team little by little can catch them. Now in Red bull Era Aero Dynamic was so good but the other was almost the same the different is Mercedes cant spent money like before 300million this season has cost cap so all team have same point standard cost cap, Mercedes destroy her own team herself because zero pod and her driver not like in the past who can destroy another car just by order if they destroy her own car too they cant develop more. Ferrari Have her own team problem not car problem, Aston Martin have problem with the time limit the can development the car, Even McLaren and Alphine cant do anything because they have money. Simple if you have more money like Mercedes you can buy the title like they do in the past
That’s not correct merc won because their engine simply didn’t blow up all the time get you facts straight because you can have a powerful engine but it can still blow up
@@jb-y1487 Yeah Mercedes Engine is Best in her era her reliability was so crazy good and another team Red bull just consumer team till 2019 and Honda need more time to develop her own engine another case Ferrari they her best power but have little live time use her engine they increase her power but decrease her realibility
RedBull, Mercedes and Ferrari almost always spent around the same margins. Infact at some point Ferrari was spending more than Mercedes.
@@imran_huseynli incorrect, i mean all 3 of them were far in front in spending but mercedes used to spend like 100+ Mil. per year than RB and Ferrari was in the middle between Mercedes and RB. It's not a case that usually the constructor championship from 2015 to 2019 was p1 mercedes, p2 ferrari, p3 rb (only in 2016 rb finished p2 and ferrari p3)
No this is partly true.. and let's for the sake of argument use Mercedes and let's rather focus on the current budget cap era regulations.
Mercedes came up with the zero pod design, we can safely say it isn't the winning formula. Fair!
Mercedes reasoning was to extend their success with shrinking their packaging capabilities, on the premise to have less drag.
There was a reason why in 2022 Horner was sweating and was ready to form a complaint that Mercedes was not conforming to the regulations with the zero pod design. Nobody knew which was truly the best design. And secondly fundamentally they had every reason to pursue this design.
The problem is when Mercedes came to the conclusion that it didn't give optimal performance compared to the RBR design, Mercedes had to also fix issues like porpoising. As did pretty much everybody else except RBR. So by the time Mercedes fixed the bugs and knew more or less what to do, RBR had no issues and started to improve the car, meanwhile the best solution for Mercedes was to built an entire new car, but they cannot. They had to wait till the season was over.
Rules are rules you might say and the rules prevent mercedes to built 3 different cars and spending about 300 million if not more. And that's partly true, but the logical question is the following,
Would you rather keep this in place and keep it as as till 2026 meaning RBR winning every race in 2023, extend their development time to 20 months in 2023? Or is it better for the sport to nullify the design change advantage by handing teams a joker card?
In your comment in the condescending way you speak about mercedes you probably choose to keep things as they are.
But here is a challenge of your position, would you still advocate for the same if Mercedes was in the RBR seat?
Many would have been complaining for rules change, or the rules being unfair for other teams.
Do you see the double standard?
The fact is that current RBR domination is unrivaled and never to be seen in the history of the sport, it supersedes every Mercedes domination season. And the biggest difference is that the regulation change is prohibiting teams from improving. Compared to previous years everyone can improve. It was just a matter of having money to spent.
Did I miss the technical part of the technical analysis?
Left out an important part. The steel eyed killer behind the wheel. He's been at or near the top his whole career at redbull. Even when the car wasnt great. He can drive a car like monet could paint a water lilly
You forgot Max Verstappen
*Max Verstappen not Red Bull .. every1 who was not blind back in 2021 could see Max taking the dwc with a half a second slower car than Mercedes...
If that’s right why did he need Masi in the end?
@@backjarton01 Remember the amount of penalties at Austria this year? You know at Bahrain in 2021 the same rules applied? Hamilton should have received 9 penalties at Bahrain 2021 for track extending. Want to talk about Silverstone next or we good?
@@backjarton01 what I m saying is he was in a way worse car racepace wise back in 2021 , now red bull are ahead but they are not as dominant as we think... Max is ...
@@SevenTheMisgiven Someone who didn’t pay attention to the Thursdays driver briefing where ALL teams and drivers were told T4 track limits weren’t applied during the race.
I love you guys keep trotting this debunked argument out every time someone mentions 2021, as if it somehow rights the wrongs of the same race director breaking the regulations.
It’s so easy to make you look like the casual you are.
@@manostororosso2364Thats FALSE. The GOAT himself said the RB was better balance than the MB through 2021. Unless your saying you know better than Adrian Newey.
Nowadays i could fall asleep during the race and still feel I don't missing anything
This always happens in F1, in 2000s it was Schumacher with Ferrari, 2010s was Hamilton with mercedes and 2020s is max with red bull.
Because the rewards from the cost cap breach are exponential.
Yeah because 400,000 in 21 old regs made all the difference. 😂😂 that’s about 1 1/4 front wing production only cost for comparison
Rent fukkin free
You figured it out. You should start a CZcams channel and share your amazing findings.
I hope everyone else overspent on 'food' this year to help level the field.
Averell, the punishment dished out for it was a joke ! 😄
400 grand is literally a wing. It's nothing.
Because RedBull has Newey. If Redbull didn't have engine problems from 2014-2019, they would have likely won those championships too.
The thumbnail is like that Usain Bolt picture- but with cars
Cry more ham fans 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That extra money on “catering” really was well spent by Red Bull. Especially as they essentially haven’t been punished in any way whatsoever.
Yes, mate , that 400k made all the difference.
This extra money means nothing. Adrian Newey is a way more important factor than a couple bucks more
Do give it a rest
@@liambrowning6962 1.8 million pounds mate.
@@RoyMatzem He’s a genius, especially when the team home works for cheats too.
I'm certain people think that 2024 RedBull will be hugely different from RB19 and them using the resources to upgrade it is wasting those resources, which isn't really true. RedBull upgrading their current car also helps the next car which is also a thing that makes me wonder why Mercedes is not more generous with the upgrades.
Nice
it's mainly because of horner's constant whining that mercedes had to be stopped and newey's advisory role on the 2022 rules. plus the pizza gate, triple drs and other cheats which somehow fia allows to go unpunished
Triple DRS? And which other "cheats" are these?
😂😂😂😂, Newey had no role in 2022 rules, he in fact hated these rules.
because RB cheated the cap. the penalty was laughable at best.
Besides it's more Max that they can't catch rather than RB as a team seeing as Perez is doing mediocre.
they broke the 2021 car cost cap mate know your stuff
@@TeDDYYYT yeah and you don't think that has effect for years to come? I've been watching F1 for 20+ years. Are you one of these new DTS fans? please shush.
@@TeDDYYYT When do you think 2022 car development happened mate? 2023? Know your stuff.
Yes they cheated but newey still did a great job
@@capri7543 you do realise they where in a championship battle in 2021 for the first time in 7 years, they went over on the 2021 car, plus 400k over isn’t going to make you dominate like they are you clown 🤡 😂😂
arguably, it's not the car exactly but that Max is driving it. if you had 10 Verstappens and 10 others, all in randomly assigned cars, RB's would be in the top half, Vertstappens mostly also in the top half of points. It'd be an interesting graph
The car is crazy fast and max just elevates tbh
They are catching up Red Bull, they aren't catching up Prime Max...
The graph with qualifying margins is highly inaccurate. It shows Canada at 1.7 when it was 1.2. It shows Austria sprint at 0.9 when it was less than 0.5. It show Spain at 0.7 when it was 0.4. Prrety much all margins there are incredibly conflated.