Simon Jordan vs Jim White! 💥 Does Scotland vs England Mean More to the Scots than the English? 😮
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- Scotland take on Gareth Southgate's England tonight. talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan have their say!
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‘Whoever wins it will be remembered for winning it’ more incredible insight from Jim.
Michael Owen esque
😂
If Scotland win, they will remember it for generations. If England win, it will be forgotten by the weekend.
He's absolutely awful 🙈
Must have been all that Tenants Super 🤣
@@DavidLopan2023He cares more about Saudi than he does Scotland. Guy's a terrible presenter.
Means much more to Scotland. If they win they’ll make videos about it for the next 10 years.
You mean the next 100 years.
whiff of 1966
Just how you go on about 1966 all the time??
@@praisethelordpig1212 In the same way you lot go on about 1967 when you beat England & became world champions.
@@s.j.l.8736 I’ve legit never heard that up in Scotland😂 we do not care other than a few fannys grow up
English couldn't care less about Scotland, and as an English man living in Scotland I can tell you it definitely means more to them!
I dont know any English people bothered about this game
@@chrisboult6610
Is there a game on?
Too prove simon’s point then try living amongst us if you get beat 🤣
@@darthwiizius yeh England playing some shite team again. Not worth watching
So kinda like Germany vs England
If the other home nations were at the top of the rankings and were going deep into Tournaments it might mean a bit more, but it's only the Tournaments themselves that make games meaningful. Eg a friendly against Germany isn't that important, but if it was in a Tournament then it's mega big.
Seeing Souness having to eat humble pie was epic. He got carried away at the Euros a couple years ago for the fixture and carried on last night on C4 before the game. It was a sweet victory for an English person living in Scotland.
Well we were the best team last time at Wembley. You can't be best every time. You should know that being an England fan.
I've been saying it for years that it's a bigger fixture for the Scots. For English fans Germany, Argentina & France are massively bigger.
It's on scale with playing Andorra, or any other country with a comedy league.
As a Scot I can say I think watching England getting smashed off these teams as you said is way bigger than a friendly against the Saudi League’s farm team. 🤣
@@darthwiiziusthat comedy league is taking all your players ya wallaper
That's because England are the Scotland of the Germany/Argentina/France rivalries.
“For English fans Germany , Argentina & France are massively bigger” England have won NOTHING since 1966 yous have no rivalry with those nations let’s get real
Stupid comment from Jim, it's obvious that it means more to Scottish fans. England fans probably want to beat Germany more than Scotland. Maybe even Argentina. England is by far the biggest rivalry for Scots.
and Germany don't give two hoots about England. Look at what they've won compared to England, levels
@@user-mq4hr1ly4b I don't get why Germany has a rivalry with the Dutch tbh. England have literally won more than the Dutch have, so technically it would make more sense for Germany to have a rivalry with England (albeit still absurd).
The face from Simon on the thumbnail alone makes u want to beat them 😂
Yet Jim white is still more annoying
Same scenario as Liverpool v Everton.. it only means something if Liverpool don't win, the gulf between the respective teams means it will always mean more to the underdogs
Difference is Scotland is doing well right now and everton isn't 😂😂
@@IceClawz. Well thats a fairly loose definition of 'doing well'
like a spud win in a North London Derby who cares but a spud
0:11 I’d say the same between the “rivalry” Germany. It’s a rivalry for the English not the Germans
Course it means more to us. In similar way playing Germany means more to English. Whilst isn't much of a rivalry ti Germans
I'm sure that'll change as Germany are now awful.
@@Cespar997 but Germany have won lots of tournaments unlike England so it's allowed by them. England peaked but never an elite football national team
@@gingerindian1141waffle
@@MR.HOWGRIDERwhat waffle??? 😂😂 England can't even lace Chile's boots 😂😂
@@MR.HOWGRIDER but my waffle lands the point. usa level and you dont know it.
Scotland’s rival is England, England’s rival is Germany and Germany’s rival is the Netherlands. Rivalry is often not reciprocated.
Not in this case. Definition of rivalry is intense competition between two parties
Truthfully, England don't really have a 'massive' footballing rival anymore. Scotland have been poor for too long, and England have been poor enough in major international tournaments that we haven't recorded the big wins required over other big footballing nations (France, Germany, Spain, Brazil etc.) to really develop a rivalry with any of them. If we manage to send an Italy or France packing at Euro 2024 then a rivalry may start to develop, but I can't see us having a Brazil-Argentina or Germany-Netherlands or France-Italy type rivalry for a long time.
@@owenjustice7714 beause england are not an elite national team. so rather than being obsessed about referring to their selves as a great individuals, there is no spirit and i dont know any time engalnd had a spirited team. england team has to have some level of reality check - youro not brazil, or france, or spain more on a par with usa. end of.
Rivalries often build in silence tbh. As England, we have focused way too much on how many times Germany has ruined tournament hopes for us, and I think for a lot of people, that fixture takes more meaning on that it really deserves to.
Most of the time historically, Germany has had better national teams. That doesn't always mean they had better quality players (although most of the time they did), but there's nothing you can really do about that. England have let that Rivalry define expectations for tournaments into a really narrow window, and often lost sight of the need to just do well, no matter who we were faced with. Every time you play Germany is a chance to beat them, and it's entirely different each time.
@@ecaeas4439 england should think about who they really compete against - they are usa level, not germany, or france, or spain and never have been, despite being a football nation.
We don’t care about playing Scotland, but we do enjoy winding up the Scotts 🏴 👑🙌🏼
Brilliant banter, c’mon Scotland 🏴🏴🏴
Who cares.🤣
We're probably going to use 10 substitutes from youth teams to make it a bit fairer, what do you mean we have the most successful youth teams over the last 4 or 5 years? Ah we'll, dem Sweaties gettin' no breaks from the Sassenachs.
@@darthwiiziusthat you getting the excuses in 🤣
@@MrSwanny182
There's no excuse for losing to the Sweaties mate, just embarrassment and shame...
@@darthwiizius ok Percy whatever you say. I’ll bet your language is even stronger when you play your REAL rivals Argentina and Germany 🤣 your proving Jim’s point 😂
As an Englishman i totally agree with Simon. I just didn’t want to get beat because we have to listen to the Scots acting like it means the world..
Scotland only just stopped banging on about their 0-0 win against England.
Funny as it's only Englaanders that mention this lol
@@paulmanchip8116 course it is jock.
Says the Englander that mentioned it 😂😂😂😂😂 mince n thick.
@@paulmanchip8116 no smoke without fire sweaty. As I mentioned you've finally stopped banging on about it.
@timsyoutube6051 give us an example of someone mentioning it. Nobody talks about it up here. All in your imagination there fella
In the Jack Charlton period England Ireland games felt bigger
The Home Nations competition was brilliant.
I agree.Much better than the meaningless friendlies that replaced it.
If beating Scotland means a reduction in Jim White's irritating smirk then I'm all in.
Remember last time when Scotland won 0-0?
Don’t know why people be little it, we should be proud of the rivalry as it’s one of the longest ever. I’m English and want to beat the Scottish because I enjoy the rivalry. It would be boring if we didn’t care. Do I care about the games against NI/Ireland? Not really. Wales isn’t as big as when we play scotland but I still always want to beat them.
English fans would enjoy the rivally too, if there was any. Unfortunately most of us don't care. We can't force it.
Scotland's Unbeaten in the last 2 Versus Englandshire.
THE oldest, the Sassenach-Sweaty international was the first international.
@@darthwiizius
Scotland v Sassenach
@@ScottishRoss27
Which is why I suspect significant anniversary -comedies- matches are played on your side of the border.
My dad was the manager for scotland when we won the littlewoods jnr Cup on Wembley halftime in the Everton Liverpool Littlewoods Cup final
Home Nations tournament sounds like a good idea. Fills in the blanks between the European Cup and the World Cup tournaments.
Don't think it matters as much to them as it does us tbh! 🏴
Good banter but be good to hear about game as appose to narrative
if man city beat luton are they celebrating ? not really because it's expected
if luton beat city how much more does that mean to them ?
there you go that's what it means with england and scotland
Man City win trophies though, not really a good comparison.
@@Support-your-local-team perfectly good comparison, to spell it out for you man citys bar for success is higher than lutons in the same way englands bar for success is higher than scotlands.
@@LCtr3gx I'm not going to argue with that, but England are still not Man City in any comparison. A better one would be Luton v Spurs.
@@Support-your-local-team sure if that suits you 👍.
It wasn't intended as a literal comparison, it was a dramatised comparison to convey the concept in a clear way which it seems to have done...
Never understood why a home nations was never done, rather than a simple friendly it would make it a little more exciting every two years
This game is definitely a fans favorite .Im English if scotland plays anyone else im cheering for them .Got a funny feeling not many scots 😊if any at all feel the me 😂😂😂😂
Well it's good for the young kids in the international teams and it is a bit of a window for them it should be back and Evey 2years is a good idea
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As Scottish football fan I think stevie Clarke has done a good job from where we where after Kazakhstan defeat. We've done amazing to beat Spain and Norway and be top of the group however we gotta keep feet on the ground England are superior team to us our domestic game needs help we need more quality in big leagues and that's no disrespecting the lads we have but England play at much higher level than us
@@randymarsh2901 interesting mate
ive got little interest in most england games if its not tournament football
not interested in qualifiers or friendlys with scotland tbh
international break from the football season is tedious
Would love to see a six nations type thing between the UK teams. Every 2 years would be good fun. We could also add a couple teams from the common wealth we can initiate each year.
It’s a strange relationship as English cheer in the other home nations in tournament’s.
No point England would win everytime no competition at least rugby is a little more competitive between all the teams
I'm English and I don't "cheer" other home nations! Why the f**k would I? And I don't know of any English supporters who do either. I couldn't care less one way or the other about the other h/nation teams.
Def bring back 4 nations tournament!! Pleeeeease 👏🏻
I took my 16 year old son to the game last night. I just missed the Home Nations (born in 82) and loved nothing more than when we came up against England in Euro 96 and then double-header in 99. I tried to explain to my boy how much he should enjoy last night regardless of the result because they are special occasions that you just don’t know when the next one will be.
Good on both teams 🎉
The other little home nations are absolutely obsessed with us! It’s actually hilarious! I used to want them to do well but now I realise how much they hate us I couldn’t care less about them. Still don’t hate them back though as they aren’t particularly relevant
I'll watch it but I'm not bothered by the game. Like Simon says I don't want to lose but I'm not bothered about winning 1-0. It won't be remembered whereas beating Germany 5-1 will always be remembered. I agree if it was a competition though, we would get interested!
I enjoy the rivalry personally, politics aside it’s always a good game win/lose or draw…
Scotland is one of our biggest rivals regardless what you think of the gap between the two teams is
The days of that rivalry are history.
Did we play Scotland tonight ? 🥱
nice to see we’re *allowed* to comment on this video ...
I didnt even know this game was on until now :)
Bring it back nothing like a match between neighbours.
Its always a great game for me cause im english born but my das is scotish so plenty of banter in our family
They should do something like the rugby but every two or four years between the Euros and WC. The home nations and invite a world guest or two, we could have some great countries come in and spice things up. As long as the fans behave themselves we could have a good time with it, I'd certainly like to see it.
Just doesn’t have the same pull as it used to, works in rugby union with closer rivalry between the home nations but I don’t know if it would generate enough interest in this day and age. Average football fan isn’t arsed by qualifiers and glorified friendlies.
@@francolive5718 Yeah maybe, who knows, worth trying out imo, I'd invite Brazil to the first one.
As an English fan, why? 99% of the time we would win it wouldn’t mean anything to England and would just be painful for ni scotland and wales to watch
I love how they talk about the small nations , didn’t Croatia with a population smaller than scotlands knock England out of the World Cup in 2018
Apparently Denis Law was playing golf when England won the WC in 1966, he didn't want to know anything about it ! Scotland has always been my second favourite team after England, I was very disappointed when Scotland failed at the 1978 WC with one of the best teams they have had. It may turn out to be a dull game as no-one wants to get injured before the leagues resume.
As an English person and fan, personally after England, I'm always rooting for the other British teams to qualify for tournaments and do well.
I think the gap between both nations in terms of success doesn’t help England see Scotland as a huge rivalry seeing as England qualify for pretty much every tournament and go far in them whilst Scotland struggle to make it to them meaning England just don’t see Scotland as a huge challenger to them
How would they the level of resources available to both nations is vastly different
What success are you talking of? The World Cup that was won in the 60’/ on home soil with controversy? England aren’t a successful footballing nation, never even won a Euro’s
@@Iamcruddy1 'success' looks different for different people - recently for Scotland success looks like consistently qualifying for major competitions - something England have done with ease for decades.
Englands bar for success is much higher than Scotlands is the point they are making, and therefore Scotland are not seen as competition and subsequently aren't considered rivals.
@@usernameheda You’ve expressed very well what I meant to say to Scotland even qualifying for a tournament is an achievement it’s not for England seeing as we do so with ease so there’s a greater expectation for us
we shall see today how easy we Scots are. I just hope the English team does not have the elitest attitude that most English supporters have before this game.@@dylanlees5071
'Its just as intense for you as it is for us' yeah yeah Jimbo roflmao..
"i would rather watch a plant grow" right at the end😂😂
He's used it, he watches the Spuds defend...
As a kid I had the World Cup albums and Scotland shined brother in the album than England, although Im a Brazil supporter. Scotland on those World Cup albums had class and fierceness. It was fantastic.
Shined brother?
@@Eddie-lm3jf Shine. Light, stand out.. Sorry NOT English as first language.
As an Englishman our friendlies are so boring. I'd be watching 24 tonight rather than the game if I wasn't out.
As long as Trips or Wilson don't get injured I'm not bothered.
24 what year is it in your area albeit one of my favourite TV shows ever but still 😂
Didnt even watch it thats how bothered i am about England playing anyone .
Home nations tournament every 2 years. Yeah, I'm up for that.
Not in the least bit interested, in the home Nations, or the Europa cup.
Only Scottish supporters spend their money on the oppositions shirt who are playing England. Its pathetic!!!
I think scotland definitely care more about it.
Why not a home nations, to qualify for European competition, cut out the travelling around Europe to the likes of San Merino
It’s a cultural rivalry that has nothing to do with football. Scotland don’t like England because history tells them they must. For England. It’s like a top prem team playing a league cup game against a second division team. Zero rivalry just nice when history always repeats itself
I am a huge huge football fan. I will be catching up on the rugby world cup games ive recorded tonight. friendlies are pointtless , none more so than playing against scotland. i honestly dont care what happens tonight
The thing is we’re in the Scot’s psyche the same with the Welsh and Irish.
They simply aren’t in ours that’s just the way it is, it’s history.
It’ll probably always mean more to the Celtic nations.
We don’t really care about England tbh mate apart from a few minors and arses
The Irish aren’t part of the home nations/UK tho
@@tevildo45
Where did I say that?
Of course this fixture means more to Scotland. Anyone denying this is deluding themselves.
why do you think that? give some reasons and dont repeat simon longshanks either. cmon
Most of Scotland don’t care apart from few fans what you on about
@@gingerindian1141 in the same way a smaller club beating a bigger club would elicit a greater reaction. It’s not deep. 🤷♂️
English players that aren't good enough for England sometimes go and play for Scotland.
The home Nations cup it should come back every one loved it
Bring back the home nations tournament
yes i genuinely dont know if i'm going to bother watching an england friendly i have to knock my head into a wall tonight.
It's funny how Jim grows some balls when talking Scotland but the English get panned for any talk of patriotism, notice also how the Scotland isn't riddled with 'British' players and is allowed to be ethnically homogenous whereas England is bullied into inclusion, hate these doublestandards
So you don’t want saka, Kyle walker, Jude Bellingham then cos they’re not white?
@@tevildo45 No, not really, but saying "because they're not white" is a lazy/loaded way to put it, it's more that their hearts are elsewhere and a defy you to argue that, no black/mixed player considers himself English first and foremost, he'll always black, jamaican or African first but English when convenient
These things always matter more to the underdogs. England has bigger fish to fry - they care, but this is a massive part what is both desirable and realistically achievable to Scotland.
Which bigger fish do England ever fry? Realistically Scotland is England's main rival.
@@Support-your-local-team England fans would take beating Germany, which they did do last time they matched, every day and twice on Sundays over Scotland. Argentina, France too.
@@ellis9290 Fair enough but as you say "these things always matter more to the underdogs". You might enjoy beating Germany the most but it's hard to call England and Germany proper rivals when it's even more one-sided than England v Scotland and Germany have a bunch of countries they care more about than England.
@@Support-your-local-team Though Germany have had some high-profile wins against England, the overall record is 35 games played, 14 wins to England, 15 to Germany and 6 draws. So actually very close.
In competitive matches it's 12 played, 4 wins to England, 6 to Germany and 2 draws - so a bit more of a gap.
Overall quite close though. That being said, those high profile losses to Germany played a huge role in why England fans want to beat them so badly and I agree that until a couple of years ago, we always felt like the underdogs, so yeah the logic applies here too.
Also, Germany don't have a bunch of countries they care more about beating than England.
Type "Wer ist Deutschlands größter Fußballrivale?" into google.
@@ellis9290 Scotland and England's head to head is reasonably close as well though. What matters is that England have won a tournament and Scotland haven't which is a massive difference. What's also a massive difference is that Germany have won seven tournaments to England's one. England 100% have the talent to bridge that gap but for now it's hard to think of England as anything but the Scotland of the England v Germany rivalry.
Fair enough. Germany's main rivals are 100% Netherlands though. Germany v Italy is also a massive rivalry and Germany v Austria is a similar rivalry to England Scotland.
Games like this make the international break utterly pointless. Teams like Luxembourg, San Marino, Scotland, games you wouldn’t watch if they were in your back garden
Although tbf , I preferred the football when all teams in the old 1st division had at least one top Scottish player in their team,
Before the foreign invasion, imo we should restrict the amount of non British players in the prem,
Answer to the question - yes.
Now, cue all the bitter Jock comments...
Its a bigger game for Scotland def... just another minnow for England
England v Scotland has meaning throughout history, yes the population of England is massive compared to Scotland who has only a small pool of players to pick from. The unbalance is there, but Scotland always play heart and brave heart would be proud. Lol
Aye...massively useless!!
@@LCtr3gx
Yep we've nicked a few English born players recently
Biggest rivalry in world football we hate the sweaties and they hate us it’s brilliant bring it on
Definitely means more to the sweatys, it’s the dame problem team like Manchester always used go have against smaller teams. It’s their cup final and they get an extra 10% from the adrenaline that the big boys just don’t have because they know they are better.
I would love a home nations tournament but let’s be honest most likely England would win almost every time unless it went to Penalties. Wouldn’t it get boring England winning let’s say 5 tournaments in a row? Btw I’m half English half Scottish. I love cheering on both nations to succeed.
Get 'em Jim 👊
Yes, I couldn’t care less about this game it’s a friendly
Come on England !!!!
A Spurs fan "I would rather watch a plant grow" . I think he was on about Spurs last year not this game.
I honestly couldn't tell you who plays for Scotland
Would not surprise me if Southgate plays 2 goalkeepers
Obviously never been to an England - Argentina game ..
I’m a Scot and I hate that anti English sentiment, we fought wars together for gods sake. I hope England absolutely pump Scotland tonight
im a massive football fan but i honestly couldnt care less about this game probably wont even watch it especially with it being a friendly i just want the premier league back.
Jim you talk rubbish, the English don’t give a 💩. We get up & go to work the same whatever, obviously the Scots think more of it because of history & not because of football.
Apart from a few fuds majority honestly don’t care up in Scotland
Kind of like west ham Vs spurs isn't it? You call us your rivals but I've never seen west ham as anything other than a London derby. 😂
It's like England vs the Republic of Ireland it means to the Republic
The Scottish telling the English how much the game means to them 🤣
It obviously means more to Scotland not only because of history but England has every advantage possible in the sport. However the English are absolutely kidding themselves if they want to act like they won't celebrate the win and rub it in tomorrow if they win the game.
Of course, it's a football match. Just because we care less about the rivalry than you do, does it mean we aren't allowed to celebrate and rub it in if we win? You lot would go WILD if you won hahaha so let's not kid ourselves. It is what it is. I'll probably be laughing either way whatever happens tbh. I just hope it ain't a draw because that would be boring.
Simon is right, England fans don't care, but that's a symptom of the animosity not the cause.
Getting in excuses nice & early i see
I'm Scottish and I want them to win. What do you mean?@@ScottishRoss27
@@LailandiAdventures Sorry, thought you were a greeting faced England supporter
@@ScottishRoss27 let's hope I'm no a geetin faced Scotland supporter!
@@LailandiAdventures
In form 5 wins in 5!
My mate is about 86 years old he plays every Thursday night still and he played with the legend that is Dave McKay.
Simon Jordan now saying Englands World cup win doesn't count as its been over 55 years ago so not modern football?
Brilliant ❤
Love Jim’s cheeky grin when he knows he’s under Simons skin lol
Be honest, who In the slightest cares about a friendly against Scotland 😅 hope mcginn gets a brace lol
This game means nothing, compared to what it "used" to mean.
I remember the 50's, through to 1984, when the Home Nations Competition was alive and kicking (I still miss it) and we did have some fiery affairs and to beat each other, especially England vs Scotland, meant everything.
But that was back in the day when Scotland actually had a Squad worth talking about, especially in the 70's.
Sorry Scotland, but now there is not one playing that one could describe as "World Class", where as back in the day, the Scottish Squad was littered with them.
Now, for England to beat Scotland, even with the Squad as weak as it is, thanks' to Southgate, is no big deal and to beat England means more to the Scottish Supporters, than it does to most Englishmen.
Ireland and Wales too, had some brilliant Players back in the day, sadly not so much now.
Irelands not a home nation
England isn't weak
@@tevildo45Ireland is still part of the uk
@@tevildo45 You are right "Irelands" is not, but Ireland" is, or, if you insist on being pedantic about it, "Northern Ireland" is.
It is Éire that is not.
@@andrewjoyce9038 Under Southgate, yes they are.
They have no chance of ever winning another World Cup, or ever winning the Euro's, the Squad is not good enough and even less so with Southgate in charge.
England are fine, until they come up against one of the top Nations and then they fall flat on their face and fail miserably.
When was the last time England beat France, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Croatia, Italy, etc. in a Competition.
That is the problem with a lot of Englishmen, delusions of grandeur when it comes to the English Football National Side and think it is their God given right to win.
One World Cup, 57 years ago and nothing else before, or since,, tells us all, it is not.
got 35,000$ on scotland to win 3-0 CMON SCOTLAND
Age 68. Don't know anyone who is especially interested in games with Scotland. The days of Alan Ball being all fired up to hate the Scots are long gone. It's the silly excessive desperation of the Scotch fans that makes it so funny to defeat their team while not really caring. Didn't bother to watch the game
It’s Scotlands World Cup final so it will be hard game for England.
Was it?
COME ON THE SCOTS!!!! 100 quid double, Scotland & France. Thank me later.
Booooo
I might have a £10 on it
@@kevoneoneI've no dog in the fight mate lol, Northern Ireland fella here. But I fancy it. Only joking about the 100 lol, £25 on it though.
@davidg5305 the game means a lot more to Scotland than to England and with the Scottish crowd I can see them winning