Using Liquid Metal On Game Consoles! What Could Go Wrong?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2018
- Liquid Metal is an enthusiast grade compound that works to give heat transfer at the highest level for users who overclock their CPUs or are looking for better cooling in general. This particular compound is conductive and if it touches parts of the chip can damage and short out the system. Today we are going to install Liquid Metal in both the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X and see if it makes a difference. Can the PS4 Pro finally be silenced?
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Wow. Nobody here after that Sony tear down ?? 😂
Haha
Oh the irony 🤣
Me
Nintendo's already implemented his fix for the antenna, now sony with the liquid metal... Spawnwave could be a great console designer.
I am..lol
sony: WRITE THAT DOWN
For the record they were already testing it for 2 years.
@@wahengbamnungshitombi5266 For the record, this videos was posted exactly two years ago!
@@blues05 for the record they must of done some planning years before.
@@droveraccoon For the record, I think they do captain obvious!
@@blues05 for the record Stop
Who is here after ps5 metal liquid cooling system reveal?
🤦♂️
Me me me
@rahil ganatra go use your pc then
@rahil ganatra give me 8000$ and i will buy one
@KingInTheNorth but you get shitty specs no?
0:44 - "Some of it's in German, it's probably pretty serious." - Spawn 2018.
Best line all year.
3:18 Casually rips open PS4. Brilliant.
Lol
My one is like a virgin.....I still couldnt opened it yet
And now playstation is mass producing a console with liquid metal.
Seriously crazy.
And as he stated, others beside him were already doing liquid metal modifications, just goes to show Sony was actually paying very close attention.
@@animerestoration2701 What's cool is Sony to actually make it safer had to engineer some failsafes, pretty cool stuff.
Yep :D
@@luxthefox228 Sony said they spent 2 years developing liquid metal for PS5. How to implement it into mass manufacturing.There is no way they overclocked the gpu in the last minute.
@@adamnaperty you completetly miss read what I said bud, I said that’s a high probability as to why they needed to develop liquid for a console in the first place because they overclocked the graphics card well before the console was even in a beta stage. They knew they couldn’t cut back costs because of the shitty 3D sound motto and the SSD tech they developed so they said yup over clock to make up the difference. That’s when they ran into the problem that they needed a solution to cool it so there comes in the 2 years of supposed liquid metal cooling.
"I'm going to clean off this thermal paste" **proceeds to time capsule thermal paste onto the smd capacitors with nail polish on the APU**
It's the other way around. It's called Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. The brand is Thermal Grizzly
a couple of things, 1 themal grizzly is the brand and conductanaught is the product, 2, the smd components around the cpu are not fuses they are capacitors, they smooth out the voltage going to the cpu/soc usually 1-1.3 volts
One thing APU ≠ CPU
no shit, an apu has a cpu in it an apu is just the name of the entire package
@unedited gamer
you're an idiot
@SysPowerTools I never called him an idiot, I was just pointing out that the components are not fuses they are capacitors. It had nothing to do with cpu/soc/apu that is irrelevant
+syspowertools you're quick to mistake absence of evidence with evidence of absence. Just because I didn't point out the fact that he tried to discredit op with an argument that was completely irrelevant to the point the original post tried to get across, it doesn't mean I don't realize why and how it is idiotic - that is, the fact that I didn't point the mistakes out doesn't mean I overlooked them.
Basically, in other words, I'm an asshole but at least I know not to write "your are an asshole"
The real console killer.
and PC killer too lol
What makes you guys think so? I have applied the same stuff to 2 computers and 2 consoles so far, and they work better than ever. Of course it kills a system when you use it stupidly without any caution, but using your head while usage of that stuff, things are being fine.
@@alvzcizzler no if u use it correctle
it improves intel cpus with shitty thermal paste
@@nororlol4life819 same thing applies with AMD or consoles...
outside of the budget APU's (which aren't meant for enthusiast anyways) AMD uses indium in between the IHS and Die and unlike intel they actually use quality thermal compound on those APU's where its not worth it to delid them anyways
The alcohol is to 1) breakdown the thermal compound & 2)remove the thermal compound. If you use 90+ alcohol, it evaporates MUCH faster then 70%.
You could've checked with a thermal camera the temps of the consoles. You would've at least have some data instead of just giving us your opinion.
It's only taking heat away from the CPU... the case isn't going to change in temp. The heat still has to get out, it doesn't go away magically. This is pretty pointless on a console unless its thermal throttling or you are somehow overclocking it.
@@tripplehelix can you stop instantly defending this youtuber and put your guard down? Guy is right, he should have done something like that so us viewers can see and maybe someone can learn something from that. just because you say it's pointless doesn't mean it's not worth seeing. yikes
@@ekustyle_2408 Sorry, I wasn't stating that aggressively.
@@tripplehelix it's cool I'm over it
EKUSTYLE _ DAMN GUYS CALM DOWN!!
Linus would be proud
he isn't partnered with tunnelbear anymore, it's PIA, Private Internet Access, now.
@@scalabrineplayoff3pt46curr7 Dude if you're going to insult people, please use some grammar and maybe a little punctuation. Your sentence makes no sense. This isn't the hood.
HS-Slogra nah massdrop
@@scalabrineplayoff3pt46curr7 Maybe Asians don't want to date illiterate man babies with low IQs that leave women to become single parents.
Oh, I'm sorry. Racism is a bitch isn't it, don't give what you can't take.
@scalabrine not even he had to go for AS but for an ugly one too! and did you noticed she is kinda not good at him , kinda bitchy , jesus poor guy Linus :(
"Spider-Man. You have a reason for me to keep you alive"
Brilliant!
It was such an epic burn lol. "oh right sprider-man" lol ouch.
I'm confused slightly because every single recent (and all but a couple older ones) spiderman game I can remember has been absolutely terrible why is there hype for this one.
cause this is the best now... after spider-man 2 came just one game that was ok and that was Ultimate Spiderman (based on the comic run) and after that came just crap.
R.I.P Stan Lee
Y Spider-Man doe, there’s tons of other good options
Haha awesome video! :D Liked!
Sony:"hold my screwdriver"
Oh God that console abuse montage at the beginning... Spawn has no mercy for these defenseless beings.
Do you eat
Crusty Bogan I think he’s pcmr
"Oh right, you have a reason for me to keep you alive."
I DIED
You made a real good point about cool air coming out the back of the console. PS3's used to do that and I always said the cooling system on those was crap in the early days, speicifically the CECHA01 and CECHB01 models. I used to do board repair on Playstation consoles back in 2008. :)
The only way to keep ps4 pro to xbox level sound, would be applying really good thermal paste/liquid metal, and just either take the top off for the fan to get air easier, or just mod it by cutting a hole on top and placing a dust filter.
What I'm gonna do :)
I got mine quite by re-pasting with MX-4 and changing my thermal pads to K5 Pro it runs so much better now I only had it 3 years and the thermal paste was dry as crap
@@shorty808100 My thermal paste was a wet glop. My PS4 Pro is the noisy 2nd gen 7106b. Applied MX4 like you and suddenly it's quiet as hell. Kept the original thermal pads though, may the next time I clean it I'll change them.
The scene from far cry 3 fits perfectly to the console:
Spawn:run forest,run!
Console:far cry 3 escaping scene
1:47 - 2:13
Made my day
Awesome vid. I did the same thing to my Xbox when I got it at launch, but I also replaced the thermal pads with 17 W/mK pads. It has been running without issue the whole time.
Great video. I will be honest, maybe I am just old. I never have a issue with hearing the fan. Maybe I have the TV too loud but I never really hear the fan. I also sit like 10 or 12 feet from the unit. It is awesome watching you do this upgrade to the units.
Spawn Wave, the kinda guy who doesn't peel off the plastic film of a new monitor.
Love to see this on the switch seen as a few games I’ve noticed turn it into a vacuum
@ 1:24
sinistergrey3 yeah I know it’s a possibility though there is a copper heat sink but a lot of aluminium around the die
It doesn't matter what is AROUND the chip at any distance, since you are supposed to apply very little material, that shall only stay on the surface of the chip. If any metal spreads out, that aluminum frame will be your smallest concern, since it's gonna short circuit a lot of those electronic components around the chip on it's way, which might quite well mean full death of your console. If applying properly, there is no problem at all.
It's crazy how you managed to film that on your back and keep the PS4 and Xbone glued to the table. Good job!
@Spawn Wave I just came across your channel a few days ago, i watched a couple of your vids, but the xbox bit you did for this vid just earned you a new sub :D
before and after sound clips of fan during gameplay would have been nice.
yeah he also talked too much couldn't hear the consoles good enough
I just did a video on my channel with my PS4 Pro at the God Of War main screen. It's insane how much quieter it is.
he's trying to turn his consoles into a terminator.
Yeah to the T-1000's lol
@@leonelgalan9431 lol
Hope they cool DOWN!!!
Jon your skits are classic keep em coming great work.
These tech waves are hilarious yet so informative at the same time.
My PlayStation 4 Pro was so loud, so once it was out of warranty I took it apart and found a thick blanket of dust choking the heat sink. I took that out and my console has been way quieter since then
The extra thermal paste you left between the components bothers me. Get a toothpick..
JokeRGBlazE I think he said that he doesn’t have toothpicks
@How Not To the wood or the paste? If anything it acts like a heat spreader not insulator
@Spawn Wave, you're game news show is awesome. Thank you for your hard work.
How do you not have 1M subs yet? Educational and hilarious. Keep it up sir
Your videos are so awesome!
Sony said it took them two years to figure out how to use the liquid metal.
*Looks at date of video*
_Two years later_
*PS5 Teardown*
I think the reason they used the same fan from the ps4 is b/c the liquid metal, literally its the same fan from the ps4 just a little bigger, look at both tear downs if u don’t believe me
@@bossmicky9256 It is much more bigger, 120mm to the 85mm fan on PS4 and the PS5 fan is also pretty big at 45mm depth
@@Pit_1209 yup same fan just bigger, a lot bigger, I didn’t check exact specs on size n dimensions of ps4 fan bs ps5 fan,
@@bossmicky9256 how can it be the "same fan", if it's bigger? It's just a bigger fan.
You don't see a Hummer next to a Corola and say "It's the same car, just bigger, duh!", do you? 🙄
@@MikeBass08 nice, you compared an suv to a sedan 😂😂😂😂. Good try man, its like trying to fit a square into a circle when playing w toy blocks & wondering why it doesn’t fit 😭,
Those 2 fans are the exact same fan w just diff dimensions, its more like comparing an IPhone 12 pro a 6.1 inch vs an iPhone 12 pro max at 6.7 inch, they are literally the same phone (or in this case fan) but w diff dimensions, I hope this makes sense, this is how you fit a square into a square’s place not the way you tried to fit a square into a circles place 😅.
If you gone come at me the least you could do is come correct
Nice video, was thinking of doing this on my PS4,i use liquid metal on my de lid CPU ,so thought was it worth it on consoles!!
"Oh right, Spiderman... YOU have a reason to keep being alive." XD
This man was ahead of the times 😂
What does SpawnWave do with all the broken systems. Any chance I can get one, with his autograph.
UNEMPLOYEDxxxxJEDI get off your ass and buy one
vernon stanton dude the Jedi is unemployed be nice
Great video. Probably one of the best I’ve seen on your channel
Sweet video, love messing/modding systems!
Who’s here after PS5 teardown
The spider-man joke is my reason for the like! God damn i'm ready for that game.
I'd be shocked to no end if it was actually a good game, the last 6+ spidey games have been absolutely terrible. How can so many be so hyped for a game that hasn't had a decent release exclusive to the IPp in like 15 years,I know it isn't the graphics because they have cranked them down to being pretty blah since the initial teaser,
Extremely over hyped game
Benjamin Hale people just love any bullshit exclusive that people only play for a week just to talk shit about xbox
its been 2 years since i subbed to this channel, and the skits is why im never unsubbing
I've been thinking about doing this to the PS4 pro for awhile. God of War and Horizon always made it go straight to jet engine. I'd love to get more information about how it goes down the line, updates on the noise levels would be welcome! Thanks for the video.
It's been a couple years now since you did this, how are they holding up?
I'm getting ready to tear down both of mine for regular cleaning, I've got a tube of this stuff I've not yet used, and I'm curious about the effects in the long term as opposed to typical ceramic thermal compound.
Don't do it. It has high risk against little gain.
Result is minimal if that...because you still have the same fan, air flow, cooler and power consumption.
Just clean it and put some regular paste, and console will last.
Chose non conductive one.
@@Stanjara I'm aware of the risk, I'm capable of mitigating that risk as well if needed. The maintenance of the traditional thermal compound is my quibble, not the thermals. The added benefits, whatever they may be, are a bonus.
@@railerswim He did, yeah, he used clear nail polish around the chip to protect them. Liquid metal should be good for at least a couple years between maintenance needs, depending on the type of metal used for the conduction surface. If they used aluminum or bare copper, it's a no-go, gallium is severely chemically reactive to both of them. If it's nickel or nickel-plated copper, it'll work perfectly. Gamer's Nexus did a breakdown on this recently explaining it in more detail if you're curious. Otherwise, traditional thermal compound recommends to be replaced every 6 months to a year for optimal performance. Since I switch between all of my consoles and my PC, depending on what I'm playing at the time, it could be that long just between uses, which is a hassle for me. The traditional stuff just dries out to quickly for me.
Those components around the die are probably capacitors, not fuses.
Indeed they are.
Quality tech wave video Jon(SW). The PS4 systems are very loud and this looks like a good way of hopefully making run quieter but I don't know what I am doing lol, so i will risk it but for whoever knows what they are doing this could be cool.
when taking the cooling system out, did you at least take the time to wipe away any excess dust / etc ? (even if it's not visible, it's always worth doing if you get that far into opening up)
And liquid metal is here in ps5
"Some of it is German, so it's probably pretty serious" haha good one.
In my fanfic I picture Spawn as that guy who constanstly pulls off cheesy dad jokes to his kid.
Thanks for the video,
I plan on re-pasting my Switch with Cryonaut by the end of the year, right now too busy with school and I have five PC's to build.
Cryonaut? Planning on doing some LN2 overclocking?
I primarily game on Playstation and the first time I watched someone disassemble a 1X I was very impressed. The PS4 (base-Pro) are actually well built but MS seemed to really "get it" with the 1X design. I hope all systems follow it's lead from here out. It's just not a good platform this gen, IMO.
That said, the main issues with PS4 Pro are not build quality but design. They kept the bade model's side slots as air intake while asking it to help cool a system with more power draw, twice the GPU and a quarter more CPU. They basically said "fuck it, it's enough" when it's not. Take the lid off the Pro and it'll instantly quiet down due to getting the air it wants.
To remedy that you can do a few things, such as: replacing the thermal compound, hardware mods that add an extra fan, etc. It'll help anywhere from not at all to a lot.
Compounding the air intake issue is the fan problems on the early Pro models. Any Pro built before late-2017 have a 50/50 chance of having a fan that was loud from the factory (Nydek, iirc). Sony had two companies under contract to build the Prp fans and one of them made garbage-ass fans that make a ton of noise when barely spinning.
To remedy that you need to literally buy a replacement of the other brand online. That said, even the "good" brand of fan still makes noise due to the air intake issue.
My Pro is still lightly used and I'm likely to do a bit of everything to it. I'm going to change the paste for sure and probably make some air intake holes that may or may not allow slow, quiet added fans to help cool.
What kind of MONSTER leaves the plastic shrink on the monitor base like that????? Nice video, always good to see content promoting console health, shouldn't leave thermal care to PC alone! 👍
It get to my nerves when somebody leave the plastic covers on the devices. I throw them (the plastics) away if I have the chance.
What kind of idiot cares so much about wither or not someone takes the plastic off their stuff?
I bet you freak out at the people who leave the stickers on their consoles too
I put Heatsinks on the VRMs plus Liqid Metal on the APU of my Pro, it really helped with the noise. My X don’t need Liquid Metal. Great Video
Just a quick suggestion for doing tests like these, especially if your trying to do sound comparisons between mods. Pick up a decibel reader so we as an audience can see if there is a true difference. Would be extremely beneficial for you and for us. Just a thought! Thank you for the content and willingness to risk using liquid metal on your consoles.
WARNING! Given the real estate prices on a silicon wafer, there really isn't a whole lot of dead space on a die. Now that you've applied LM a couple of times, you know that due to Liquid Metals (LM) immensely higher surface tension it rarely wets ("adheres to") a surface properly the first time you pass over. Sometimes it takes many passes. Which is basically what will happen if you rely on it spreading when applied, like a traditional TIM (Thermal Interface Material) does. So you reeeally should make sure LM covers the *entire* top surface of the die. This is very important with any direct die cooling, and also if delidding a desktop CPU where you intend to reapply the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) . Its *not* like applying TIM to a current-day AMD or Intel desktop processor, where you're applying the material to an IHS. That IHS does what it says on the tin, it spreads the heat from the die around, on a bigger surface - but remember that IHS is the second layer from the die. There is already full TIM coverage of the die area underneath from the factory, with ample excess (or they are soldered together in case of AMD). As long as your TIM application covers most of the surface area of the IHS directly above the die underneath, you're gonna be ok. It might not always be optimal, but will be ok. Now if you are replacing the TIM between die and an IHS with liquid metal, or your cooler contacts the die directly, if any are of the die is not covered, that area will basically have no cooling(!). - This is a very quick and efficient way to kill your chip, if the LM does not properly vet the uncovered surfaces when it spreads. There is a good reason why if you have ever taken the cooler of a desktop graphics card, you'll see the entire processor die covered in TIM with lots of overflow. That is because the cooler unit contacts the die directly unlike a desktop CPU, and that makes it critical that every square millimeter of the die surface has TIM on it.
Small side note for those interested; Applying LM between the IHS and cooler of a desktop CPU that has already been delidded and had LM applied between die and IHS, almost never provides any notable gains, and is generally avoided. As opposed to on the die where it is "enclosed under the IHS where you've hopefully applied nail polish to the nearby SMDs) - if using LM between the IHS and cooler, there is a *significant* risk of LM spilling freely down on your (typically) vertically mounted motherboard, graphics cars etc. Applying LM to the die of a graphics card is also not adviced, as because of the very large die size and direct die cooling, there is roughly about equal thermal transfer performance with a non-conductive TIM, but none of the risks and hazards involved with LM.
Also what happens when LM (more specifically gallium) comes into contact with aluminium, is that it forms a degenerative/destructive alloy. LM is still metal, it just happens to be liquid at room temperature while aluminium obviously is not. The gallium migrates throughout the aluminium structure, and the new alloy has a structural integrity more akin to soaking wet particle board, than "metal". Please do take heed, DO NOT get LM on any bare aluminium, including anodized alu. The LM migrates *throughout* it, so once its on there, wiping it off is like trying to wipe dry a wet sponge. You can limit and slow down the damage, but it can't be undone. Its like the walking dead - cuting off the affected area before it spreads is the only definitive way of stopping it.
pr0xZen 20 words or less
You lost me past warning.
I doubt the LM can freely flow down, it's been done heaps of time, science studio made a video of doing exactly that, applying LM to the die to IHS, and the IHS to Cooler, and nothing went wrong, and you're plain wrong that there would be no effect on the thermal transfer of LM on graphics card, the substance of LM and TIM are VERY different, where LM has a way higher thermal conductivity and this directly impacts thermal transfer efficiency. The reason GPU's don't need LM on their standard coolers is because the coolers themselves aren't suitable to take advantage of the higher thermal transfer efficiency of LM, so it's a pointless endevour, but if you're doing liquid cooling, it is a good idea to LM all your components where you want to get the most of your large radiators in that setup.
If you're going to make an essay in a comment then make a TL;DR segment. Nobody is going to waste their time studying your ramblings even if you have a good point.
@@fu_ck1 He contradicts himself several times anyways. LM is great on direct die no matter what chip. We just don't bother doing it on GPUS since they don't run as hot as CPUs anyways. I am fully water cooled and my cpu temps never get above 55c with LM between die and IHS (74c max with stock intel TIM). The 1080ti never gets over 45c even after hours of gaming. With just standard TIM.
Its from Thermal Grizzly, and its called Conductonaut....
did Spawn ever do a follow up video on this? I'd be curious to see if there were any after effects on the heat sink
I have questions around the 7 min mark. There is a black mark(er) on the right hand side? also, it doesnt look like you got all of the thermal paste off of those around the chip but you still covered it with the nail polish?
*edit* also u should do a side by side with a ps4 pro vs thermal paste and liquid metal
If you wind up putting liquid metal on your next PS4 pro, may I suggest you capture footage of gameplay before and after application? I think that’d really help people get a feel for how big a difference it actually has on the fans./)
Footage of gameplay would almost be worthless, because (aside from a few exceptions) the consoles will always run at their full dedicated processing power, but will eventually stop working when they get too hot. Footage could only be used as an indicator of what the console has to process right now, but the comparison of fan speed would be the real issue, together with a temperature recording.
I have applied metal on a PS4 and I can say, the difference is major. You won't recognize the console running anymore, the fan usually doesn't even get close to it's RPM limit anymore.
@@marcfuchs6938 there is definitely some instances where much lower temps will make a big difference. So games with unlocked framerates could see a nice jump in performance if the liquid metal is able to give a good 20c drop in temps. The consoles do downclock their SoC when temperatures hit their thermal junction max, and the Xbox one X especially has a really high max clock that will not remain sustained the entire time you game... But with liquid metal you might see much more stable and sustained higher clocks.
Sounds like both of you just had poorly applied thermal paste to begin with if you are getting such drastic drops.
It likely had it slopped on there thick enough it was actually causing the inverse effect and keeping the heat in... a 20* drop is absurd, that is something you'd get from a stock to after market cooler on a PC.
@@SilvaDreams maybe just do some research before just speaking from your ass. It is extremely common to see upwards of 20c temperature drop from the application of liquid metal... If you are legitimately too lazy to research it I will gladly give you some sources.
Conductonaut will easily give you 15-20c drops over any other thermal paste, period. I've used it on both of my laptops, my 6700k, and will be applying it to my 8700k tomorrow. You can have the best application of traditional TIM possible, but it simply can't stack up against the vastly superior thermal transfer of liquid metal.
PS4 is a whole rocket ship taking off 😂
czcams.com/video/aMbdFOZr8kY/video.html
If its loud its either dirty or the Thermal Paste is very low quality which is very likely that if the ps4 is clean
Edit: some people dont know that just want to put that out there for people who dont know much about the internals
@@bryanvallejo2584 nope, they sound like that no matter what, trash console. Sony needs to learn how to properly build a console.
The precursor to Spawn Wave being the real PlayStation overlord
Just realized how much more comedy and skits he would put in his earlier videos versus these days he plays it fairly straight
Man that Xbox was quick.
Poor thing! At least it wont hold your 3rd party accounts hostage... its such a nice little machine! 😉
@VideoGamePlayer That has nothing to do with anything they've said. Trump has nothing to do with video games, and having good games doesn't mean Sony hasn't done anything unethical. I would recommend you take some arguing classes.
VideoGamePlayer never mind that the economic success had only been following the same pattern Obama built from the pile of shizzledizzle that Bush passed on to him, and is only reflected in corporate profits now, and not in any actually meaningful economic growth. But yeah Putin in chief is doin great 🙄
@VideoGamePlayer Again, you bring up a bunch of points that are both flimsy and have nothing to do with videogames. Stop trying to shoehorn your political beliefs everywhere.
@VideoGamePlayer a simple and small comment turned into a small war huh :p
Lmfao that Xbox was out
You can mod the consoles (never modded either one) but I have modded several consoles and one of the nicest features is the OSD (On Screen Display) that lists all the details like they do on PC. I can help a lot to tell you the temps and in most cases the consoles can be factory reset back to stock. As long as you don't connect the consoles to live (just disconnect them from wifi and delete the stored password) you run no risk of a console ban.
CZcams has a very funny way of recommending old vids! Very timely
15:53 that's because this ps4 pro isn't the primary one set in your account
He's a xbox fanboy
“Some of it’s in German so it’s probably pretty serious” 😂🤣🤣
Would get very similar results with a non-conductive compound like Arctic MX4 or TG Kryonaut. As long as there is a good application of decent thermal paste, liquid metal doesn't make much difference in heat transfer. You also are likely to have etching with liquid metal on a bare die, like these consoles and most GPUs use.
One thing that I did with my laptop while using Thermal Grizzly Cunductonaut is cover everywhere next to the diode with the conformal coating then I made a physical barrier with electrical tape and it works out great and hasn't seeped out since!
Spawn Wave: "Enthusiast grade compound that is heavily risky and could damage them beyond repair"
PS5: "Hold my gallium!"
i love the way you treat the console`s it makes me happy =) could you water cool one of the new gen console`s and overclock it to showcase what it could do with 1000 hz more on the cpu ?
1KHz will do nothing at all
@@guser436 nope guess i mossed the G.
You should have cleaned thoroughly the thermal paste between the capacitors. That increases temperature and might lead to heat distribution problems later on.
You need to apply the LM to both surfaces (both cooler and the CPU/GPU crystal). And you could wait a while for nail polish to cure and solidify. I also used the lithol around the dies on my laptop. Other than that that subjective comparison of noise and temps is useless, there is no data to compare
Wow, interesting ! At first, I was scared you were going to destroy the console like these ppl smashing iphones. Until I realize it was supposed to help the system.
Could you continue this test with God of War ? To see if the noise level is reduced ? I find this fascinating.
Liquid metal does not degrade copper you’re wrong it only tarnishes the appearance but it does not effect conductivity or damage it at all
It stains it the color of liquid metal
“Liquid Metal” does contain gallium which can form intermetallics with copper
Abdega it doesn’t in a real world scenario, this has been tested already. It does NOT corrode COPPER.
It doesn't corrode metal in the first place it amalgamates, it bonds with it at a molecular level and changes it into something else, it does it with aluminum quite quickly and will also do it with solder and several other metals.
yep, gallium is a pain for any electronic constructor/repairman and metal industry wants to carefully separate it from ore. It makes a lot of metal alloys softer, lowering the point of fusion till ambient temperature.
Also using gallium on a copper/nickel rad may contaminate other parts reusing the same silicon chip or the tools.
If you don't understand all the danger, then don't play with that shit.
not sure if you know. but the amber colored tape is called kapton tape. it is like electricla tape in the fact that it is electrically isolating. but it is also thermaly resistant (it is used in 3d printers heat beds (as a print surface) and extruders (for wire management)) but it is also super thin. and the ebay tape works pretty well
You could have showed us the sound before and after!
Thanks!
Xbox One X runs cool and quiet. No reason to mess with it.
Every PS4 Pro sounds like a jet engine.
Yeah he kinda said that
the ps4 pro has bad fan design and smaller heat sink so it has to spin the fan faster to cool it thus more noise. the one x has a bulky heat sink (example of this is the weight of the system) and better fan design so it runs quieter than the ps4. another reason it is more quiet is the fact that Microsoft was shooting fore the whole entertainment hub so they wanted something that had plenty of gaming potential and for general media consumption. Sony solely shot for hey my shit is more powerful.
@@CotyRiddle yet Sony failed because the one x has twice the horse power.
performance wise via the numbers yes. but both systems perform about on par with each other. so who cares.
fanboy
I have applied the exact same liquid metal compound to my Nintendo Switch and a regular PS4 quite a while ago. Also to my desktop computer with an i7 6900k (boostet from 3.2GHz to 4.2GHz) and my laptop.
All of the systems work great and have a mentionable improvement concerning power and/or cooling noise. I will continue doing this with any respective gadget. My desktop computer really needed it as my CPU went up to 100°C which is way too much - on base clock speed. After the liquid metal, it did never exceed 50°C at full power, where there I could start to overclock. I set my limit at 4.2GHz because it is not exceeding 80°C on the CPU, which is a good temperature for full stress. With my laptop it clearly decreased fan noise, which got pretty annoying at some point.
The Nintendo Switch is not in need of liquid metal, since the fan rarely gets noisy and even under worst conditions with cooling air blockage and the like, it doesn't easily quit work. However, with liquid metal, you rarely even recognize a fan is running. Which is good for mobile use, since your battery will last a little longer.
The biggest improvement was with a PS4 of a friend, who asked me to put liquid metal in there too. He told me the same as what you say, that sometimes his console turns into a terrifying and annoying jet engine, with some games even in the boot screen already. While opening the console, a lot of dirt needed to be removed and the old thermal paste was a little bit dry already, adding the new compound wasn't hard (seems like a PS4 pro is easier to access than a regular one though). Long story short, since adding liquid metal, the jet engine was never again heard. His special concern was the game "Dead by Daylight", where the fan would rund up to max speed already while booting and staying pretty loud most of the time while playing. Now, the console stays pretty quiet during the whole process.
However it is a matter of working carefully with it and doing it right. I would say you definately put on way too much on your XBox there. I saw little hills of metal which would definately get spread out when pushing the cooling unit on there. Also in your PS4 it could have been a little much. Though you used nail polish as a security measure, which I didn't - but it's not needed anyway, because you are supposed to apply such a little amount, that spreading out should not occur. And even without nail polish, I have no problem with any system, and spreading out is no issue since I am using an extremely thin film of the material, where there is not enough to be pushed out. Even if nail polish was used, having actual liquid metal spread out and moving over the mainboard is no option for me to accept. And with such a little amount of material, there is no need to worry about any material going anywhere, even in moving devices like the Switch.
I advise you to take a look into your consoles in the following weeks, especially the XBox and check, if metal is anywhere but on the processor. But even when not seeing any THEN, there is still a risk. Because when you have too much material, it gets spread out between processor and cooling unti and stays there in form of a ball, until some shock might make it fall of and move around freely. If this hasn't happened yet, it will move back on to the chick when the cooler gets removed again. So it's tough to tell. Best would be if you've got a way to see the chip with the cooler on from the side.
Anyway, I got a question: Did you manually apply a layer of metal to the coolers too? I think it's not clear in the video, since if you didn't, you may not have optimal heat anticipation from the chip to the cooler, since it's not sure if the metal gets proper contact to a surface, where it wasn't really applied to (see how it behaves before you "work" it on to the respective surface). That your consoles work fine for a bit, doesn't mean it's gonna stay for long. Though the same thing around.... Even if not everything was done perfectly doesn't mean it will cause a problem anytime soon. Just giving feedback from my experiences with liquid metal.
However, I can always recommend it and will always use it in the future.
Lol dude what are you talking about.... The 6900k has a soldered IHS , so I'm not really sure how you think you applied liquid metal to it, or why you would even do it.... Also if your 6900k was running that hot at stock speeds then there was absolutely a different problem. Not sure what thermal paste you were using or what cooler, but those temperatures are absolutely ridiculous...
There is no need to use liquid metal on processors that are soldered from the die to the IHS. It's the same reason people don't use liquid metal on Ryzen cpus...
All of x99 cpus were soldered. Both Haswell-e and broadwell-e. I used to run a 6850k myself.
I run a 7820X 8 core Skylake+X chip now , and I have delidded it and used liquid metal. I'm able to run all 8 cores at 5Ghz completely stable without going over 70c.
@@mitcHELLOworld Why would you think, that an IHS is a reason for making liquid metal pointless? As it says, it is a heat spreader, nothing but a bit of metal to spread the heat from the processor to a bigger surface for the cooler to grab. I think my previous thermal paste was crap, but in any way, liquid metal is better than any of that gray stuff. It makes sense to use it with or without IHS, so what's your point? I would also rather like to use it without IHS, but I didn't have the necessary knowledge about such things when getting together the components for this machine.
Anyway, I am pretty sure I couldn't go on 4.2GHz with regular paste, even though I run a huge tower cooler with industrial level high speed twin fans. I think I am pretty much at the limit what can be achieved with air cooling in this hardware case. For my next machine I have already planned to do something I saw in another video from Linus. Getting a very powerful processor, taking the IHS off and replacing it with a direkt water cooling and LM.
You shouldn't apply LM to aluminum, which the IHS is.
Grandmaster Funk no.. it isnt. The IHS is nickel plated copper.
So it is. Sorry, I was wrong.
Bruh!.. I still enjoy your tear down videos.
Do you still have these consoles and do they still work? 😅
Nail polish FTW, did the same on the 8700K that went into the last gaming system I built. Its a simple and cheap way to protect the rest of the chip when you do a liquid metal mod.
That's a really funny skit
PS4 pro runs ever so slighty cooler now.
probably about 20 degrees cooler but yea I guess slightly
Jon: The king of left field slapstick
Wait... isn't that title kind of an oxymoron?
That screwdriver, I don’t even know what to say lol, like using a sledge hammer to softly tap a nail into the wall 🤣🤣
"it`S in german so it`s probably pretty serious " xD
This is so sad, Adam, play Brinstar Depths
The name checks out
Crimson Archangel
Why wouldn’t it?
I am Samus and you shouldn’t think otherwise.
Definitely Samus
Yo, X, you've gotta work on that AI part. 😉
Because the PS4 is using a Blower style fan, you're gonna get louder fan noise when it kicks up to full speed. If you were to swap out the Blower style fan for a traditional fan you'll have a quieter time when the system is running under heavy load. I would make modifications to change the type of fan that the PS4 Pro uses, it's got an extra layer space so you could fit in a different kind of compact fan somewhere in there, might need to modify the case a little but yeah.
I re-pasted my One X and PS4 Pro using MX-4. The factory paste jobs on both were horrendous, I could cook breakfast on my PS4 and the One X occasionally thermally throttled. Huge difference in temps and overall system feel (we can potentially liken that to placebo). My Pro would sound like a Cessna and make it difficult to hear anything especially later in the evening hours. The liquid metal is neat, I’m excited to see how things turn out with the PS5’s utilizing it.
why on earth would you leave all that goop in between the fuses smh
Hahahaha that xbox bit 🤣
"You know what that might actually be the most impressive thing I've seen the Xbox do in quite some time. Wait why are you not scared? Oh yeah Spider-Man, you give me a reason to keep you alive."
Pure gold 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@retrogamer33 i agree but spiderman ... Man
iWin Rar whats soo cool about spiderman i dont get it
it was funny but i like xbox one more
@@xatte9038 its spiderman man
I used Liquid Metal on my PS4 PRO, and wow never here the fan anymore at all what a difference, Tip! Only use a tiny Bit
The new 7200 series Pro's (included in the Red Dead 2 bundle) are a lot quieter than the launch models. I thought, what if you try this mod on one of those? It would already be quiet but with this it might be silent as fuck! If you do it, could you also do some noise and temperature readings on certain scenes in games, so you can compare the results? Would be awesome if you could do that cause I'm contemplating doing it myself but I want to know if it's worth it.