TF2: Spy Psychology - Disguises follow-up
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
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A follow-up to my disguises video, watch the original here:
• TF2: Spy Psychology - ...
bind q "disguise 8 -2"
0:00 Intro
0:52 I get stabbed
2:55 Double Acting
3:32 Other stuff
6:25 Trickstabs
7:10 Comments
Music used:
[ULTRAKILL OST] Death Odyssey
Heaven Pierce Her - Dune Eternal
Luigi's Mansion 2 Music - Sticky Situation Medley
Top Hat Tower - Super Mario Odyssey
Able Sisters Theme - Animal Crossing New Horizons
Händel Messiah - Hallelujah Chorus
Mick Gordon - Metal Hell
06 - Photo Channel - Puzzle Menu
Heaven Pierce Her - Sands of Tide
Dark Souls III Soundtrack OST Vordt of the Boreal Valley
Fireworks Event - Animal Crossing New Horizons
alan walker - faded (ncs release) at very low quality
Compliments to the Chef - Spooky Month 5 OST
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How about the most simple fact. Even a player who is omnisciently aware of every spy tell and is coked up on every stimulant on the market, still has to take some time to recognize that a spy is a spy, and I'd consider time to be the spies core mechanic
Hon hon hon
Frmech
“and I’d consider time to be the spies core mechanic”
Maybe that’s why all his invisibility devices are watches? 🤔
@@wiggle143that’s actually pretty neat to think about
@@wiggle143 D E E P L O R E
The best advice is literally just to imagine you are playing the class and the team you are disguised as and act accordingly
how to i have a stroke while disguised as scout, i can't do it on command and i definitely i can't double jump as spy
@@mongodroid4842 just don't double jump? Scouts don't jump around all the time
Problem - I play like I have dementia with any of the classes and thus don't know how to act as that class
@@mongodroid4842 This sounds like a skill issue - just have enemy pyro use scorch shot on you and jump moment before it lands, totally passable as your double jump.😎
@@dejviii2283that’s something that will just improve naturally with as you rack up hours.
I have been applying this to my game lately and holy shit disguises do work. It just requires a lot of brain power to comprehend.
You’ll get used to it over-time and it’ll become second nature. 👍
@@Jontohil2 thanks, I'm a pretty noob spy that occasionally get random trickstabs that I didn't even mean to and most of the time rely on fooling the enemy in the first place.
Also, justice to default spy, it's really the best way to practice playing the class.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 stock is also my most used loadout, it’s just super reliable overall. And hey, accidental trickstabs help teach you about how the hitbox works.
@@Jontohil2 I agree, but they are funny nonetheless when I get them.
People give disguses a bad rap but spys always loose their nerve and give the game away.
"You can ask your team to shoot you"
Something better: say your team there is a spy as you, they would spycheck you.
Edit: now that i think about it - this can be called triple acting.
I have not tried to do that so tske it with a grain of salt, but if someone manages to put it to good use, it would be cool.
"Spy Spy"
@@techwizsmith7963 spy among us
@@legs9086 This reminsd me of the tiny lego among us i have somewhere in my room. I dont know where i put it and every moment i fear for my life
For me, if I see a friendly spy disguised near the enemy, I will treat him like the rest of the enemy, just expecting it to either help his act, or get him caught.
I personally like to disguise as a hoovy and just pretend to be friendly, you would not believe how often I get away with a stab because the enemy team saw me crouching and holding out my "fists"
Pretending to be the hoovy who is in the same team as you (while disguised) only to stab them in the back is way too evil imo.
I prefer using that tactic when I want to be pretend the be a friendly hoovy or a disguised observer :D
@@Tony-bo3rw it may be evil, but its not practical. You are slow, especially when trying to act like hoovy and crouching, and you are at risk of someone accidentally killing you, since you have less hp then heavy. And it only works once or twice if at all.
@@O5MO I agree, if my goal was to get some frags I'd rather disguise as a different class.
I personally dont like the speed reduction but there's still players out there that can do a better job than me getting backstabs while pretending to be heavies or hoovys
Lmao as a friendly, i see this as an absolute evil😂/j (dont feel offended pls i find this funny)
@@techmaster9841 no offense taken :)
After watching your last video, I tried to lean more into the acting side of disguises, and I was actually so shocked by how trusting people can be if you actually act like the class you're disguised as.
Also I passed a psychology course so that just makes me a really good spy player obviously.
We are all very used to spys being pretty bad. They stick out so often a decent spy can really take advantage of the complacency
This is what ive been saying for *years*
The disguise kit is so underrated and I honestly wish they would fix some of the bugs with it like missing pyro heads and demo legs so it can be more consistent
At the very least they fixed the shotgun issue.
I like to imagine that the Spy disguises are like Ditto from Pokémon. They all rely on the Spy’s memory of that merc, so when he gets confused, you get a Pyro with no head, or an Engie with a knife.
yo hes streaming so watch
@@normal_handle47 is he still streaming rn?
Thing is, how would Spy not have a head?
@@thealientree3821 he forgor
that’s a good hc actually I’m taking that, thank you
A tip for some disguises from a 6k spy main.
1. If you jump and double tap crouch near the height of your jump while disugised as a scout, you can fool even highlander teams from time to time making them think you'd double jumped. Spies can't double jump, so they will disregard you for a bit.
2. If a Soldier is wearing gunboats as their secondary... don't disguise as them as they are most likely a roamer. Of course if they aren't wearing the boots or a rocket jumper, feel free to use their disguise. When disguised as a soldier, make sure to reload your revolver when someone is looking at you to reload his rocket launcher, and do it about 2-3 times in succession to mimic an actual soldier reloading his rocket launcher. Since Solder has the most obvious reload in the game, people will disregard you if they didn't know you were a spy.
3. Not much to say about the pyro disguise, although if your waiting around a corner as a disguised pyro, keep your secondary or melee out. Your flamethrower will poke out a lot and give you away.
4. Demo has the same tip as soldier, obvious reloads that you can chain. Or Melee out demoknight yelling "spy!"
5. Heavy, if your low hp running towards a health pack even if facing the enemy team whiile doing so is fine. Or holding out a lunchbox item while enemies are wounded to catch the food item. Free amby headshot this way. If the heavy has GRU, use them if not in a spot where you'd be shooting. Finally, if the enemy team has a medic that is well protected and you don't think you can get a stab, but can get a disguise/uncloak fully. Disguise as a heavy, call medic, and run towards your team. Their team will ignore you since you didn't try to stab anyone, and their medic will often follow you into his death. Or if he has uber, he might uber you at which point try to act like an uber heavy would to lure the medic in deeper to his doom. He also just wasted uber on an enemy spy, so yeah, you made him feel like a huge clown.
6. Engineer, a good sell for an engineer disguise is to hold your wrench out, crouch, and look in a corner where most engies set stuff up. If you know setup spots for engineers this will fool basically everyone but people who spycheck religiously. Of course this requires mental imaging to know where the enemy is likely to go after they look away from you, but yeah.
7. Medic... not really too many tricks here. You do have a unique "ubercharge ready!" command though!
8. Sniper... Additionally occasionally 'reload' your sniper rifle. This will make it seem like you took a shot, which can fool other snipers in the sniper nest unless you know, its the sniper your disguised as.
9. Spy... Really not much to say about this one. Its actually your worst disguise unless you need a disguise while with your team but you aren't going to disguise as your own team. Reason? this subconsciously reminds players that spies exist, and will make them more weary of you. So NEVER use this disguise. Walking in a straight line scout is better for your gameplan than a disguise that instantly flares up paranoia.
Additionally a few tips for disguising as team mates.
At the start of the round, disguise as a friendly heavy to make the other team think you have more heavies than you do. Additionally disguising as a friendly scout while your running from spawn is often a good thing because you don't have a chance of being seen as a spy, and thus enemy paranoia wont be heightened. They wont think twice about a scout going a bit slow on the enemy team. Additionally Scout is the best disguise to use to do dead ringer fakes because.... well how often do scouts run into sentry guns and die? But aside from friendly scout or heavy or medic disguises (Medic is in the same category as heavy, OR as the scout disguise, its a decent middle ground.) you wont use friendly disguises that often.
There is one additional use for the friendly medic disguise if your doing a dead ringer fake, and thats to take a rocket and fake your death while your medic isn't in sight of that team member. This will make them think they got the medic pick and saves your medic. They will also attempt to get closer to you than other classes to get said pick, so you might lure them into a trap to get destroyed while you dead ringer away.
Thanks! I’ve never really though of enemy spy disguises like that. I use the spy disguise so I can be with my team and enemy sentries won’t shoot me lol
I’ve actually found decent success disguising as spy when my team is making a big push and pretending to hide amongst them. Take that with a grain of salt though, I don’t really have much experience and that might not work on high-level players
A funny little quirk you can do is while performing the A-pose glitch is to swap to the disguise kit and use the engineer or spy disguise and press b.
Because the last held weapon is now null and void, the disguise kit will stay in your hand without automatically switching when pressing any of the numbers, and because of this quirk, you can equip the construction pda or the disguise kit on your disguise (to swap out of the disguise kit, type "build 3 0" in the console).
It's EXTREMELY situational, since it has a long setup period, and it comes at the cost of either your instakill tool or your reliable backup tool.
Now that is tactical thinking
I do like the idea of more ways to be useful by disguising as your own teammates. Like being a body double/Decoy for a Medic or important player or diverting player's attention from the actual player your posing as. Or scaring away snipers away by disguising as a sniper when paired with a friendly sniper. Especially works well with Dead ringer.
Another thing is Never disguise as a class in which the enemy team doesn't have. like Disguising as an engineer when the enemy team only has 3 soldiers, 1 medic, 2 snipers and 1 scout etc. Cause no cosmetics and people are going to catch on via just pressing tab and checking the class icons. Unless there is a use for it?
there is a use, a-posing Heavy disguises
Dont disguise as support class when enemy doesnt have them. If you disguise as an engineer, people would notice. If you disguise as a demoman, they probably wont know youre a spy just because of that.
I'm extremely new in general and haven't yet developed the same gamesense a veteran would have, so disguises with few to no cosmetics actually may work better for players like me who are just getting into things. Plus, duplicate usernames are harder to notice than duplicate playermodels.
@@existingchannel6671 Huh...didnt know that. Not sure if that's true or unless they'll be too busy with the enemy to check things out.
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This man is now the uncle dane of spies, can't wait for the new JontoHill servers
Jontopia
Spy class minimum of 3
@@gordonf5553there should be an option that if more than half the team agrees on a vote, everyone who voted yes just auto switches to spy
Start to 0:30 You could fill an entire ship with these fools.
Ultrakill go *BRR*
This Prison to hold me?
Back in the day i used to play a lot of spy while pubbing with my friend. That said, i did still play a lot with every other class, spy just was my most used one. So over the months i kept learning how each class ticks, and as a side effect got more proficient with spy in turn as i learned how i ought to act. Meanwhile i was teaching my buddy my way of thinking like a spy, and it became pretty much an arms race of skill as we each got more proficient in the game. Some times hed end up as a the opposing spy, sometimes id end up as the opposing spy. In the end we just accidentally kept training each other to become stealthier and more convincing when playing spy, and more aware when playing any other class. It came to the point where the one of us playing spy would be consistently able to completely dumpster the lobby except for the other one of us since we had trained each other to be so damn paranoid.
2:39 don’t forget that he is also a pyro ON FIRE. I feel that would also be a giveaway unless there’s some religious gas passer used on the enemy team
had a couple good games the other day, largely from your advice. the other (even more important, but universal) component was movement/outmaneuvering... especially once you've been caught. ducking around any freestanding objects on PL maps or hopping over a railing like on Nucleus... you can get people to start moving one way and then find a tiny corridor where they won't check to cloak back the other direction to escape.
Love the Ultrakill music in some of your videos; It's such a great game!
5:52 "amda de ahda uhm ah just-a OOHOOHOHOHOHO STAB"
It'd be interesting to see a Spy tier list following this, including disguises, weapons and tropes like trickstabbing. Basically anything that a Spy would do and how effective it is in general
0:03 B U L L S H I T
1:38 I love the way you visualized how we hyperfocus on things that are more important
Me vlogging my trip to London 0:51
You can use double acting on a stair stab too by heavily telegraphing what you are going for and jumping just short of top of them so they turn around to counter you and turn their back to you
or, you know, just running after they stand still.
This entire channel should be the official definiton of underrated, like seriously these videos are high quality as sh*t and i think there are hundreds of other tf2ber channel that are underrated yet high quality that i am 100% sure will be getting the attention they deserve, and this channel is one of em.
Great stuff jon, we believe in you😀
(Also i like to think that supporting these underrated channels are like investing in crypto, ask them for a shout out and in the future when they are all famous you'll be recognised by the underrated creator lmao)
Snipers are some of my favorite disguises because unless there’s a pyros checking, you can often just fool people.
incredible followup video! i really like your style of editing. as always, great work :)
I remember when I first played hitman (game of the year edition) and the whole idea of hiding in plain sight and disguising when people should be to only trick them. I definitely noticed a difference when I was playing spy. It's like a mindset thing, like watching to make sure no one sees you doing your things that would normally get you caught.
3:43 killed me irl bro that was so funny
something really evil I imagine you could pull off would be to act like a spinbotter disguised as the enemy sniper to get them kicked.
2:30 oh i also think he was a spy because HE IS BURNING AS A PYRO
Holy crap, ur channel is a hidden gem. Amazing videos, been watching for a while!
I convinced an australium black box soldier to move in front of me while disguised as a heavy. Thank you Jontohil2.
This is easily my favorite kind of video. Of course the main videos are always so amazing, but any kind of post main video that's just a follow up/bunch of random stuff is so much more fun because it's so much more casual and well, follows up on a lot of the information
a niche use I've had for disguising as your own team is to pop dead ringer, a spy dying quickly or just breaking his legs after falling 2 centimeters is an obvious feign but pedrominecraft2007 the F2P stock Pyro isn't exactly what the enemies will think of as a good player and they're honestly expected to just die without a fight, and dying whilst looking like a random enemy that was in no way a spy is a good way to get a convincing feign.
Suggestion: how spy act in each team (defence and offence)
For disguises to work, play all class
I appreciate the TFtubers that still educate people on the game, watching this video reminded me of when I first started playing Spy.
There was this recent moment that really got me. I was on defense at the beginning of the round. Some teammates and I managed to pin down a demo, soldier, and medic. My group and I took down the two power classes with relative ease, and I was going as a Pyro with the Dragon's Fury to land three fireballs on the medic for an important pick.
Guess what happened next?
The medic turned out to be a spy, which left me open for a quick ambush once I realized such. Clever spy...
I apreciate the ultrakillness of the editing
Man I got fooled for the first time by a spy acting and it really threw me for a loop
subbed, thank you so much for highlighting how awesome disguises are!!!!!!!!!
love the ultrakill intro also great video very motivated to play spy now!
I'm trying so hard to get back into TF2 after a 3 year hiatus. Spy's always been my favorite class, and these videos have definitely made an improvement, tho most of the time I still screw it up. Love your content!
When im bored i sometimes just diguise as an engineer, i find a dispenser and pull out my wrench and pretend im doing something. Ppl will just walk past me most of the time. I go for the kill if i feel like it but i mostly vibe with ppl who came for healing.
"yup, that looks like engineering"
3:39 this part was so funny to me cause the heavy was fully convinced his salvation had come but it was his demise LOL
5:56 Bro just got a Neuron Activated 😂😂😂
Didnt expect death odyssey after the one voice evryone uses as v1 in a tf2 video
bro, i want to thank you for helping me trying to get good at spy. These tips with disguises, paranoia, and and cloak stuff really helped me.
I'm a scout main trying to play spy as he is my least played class and I want to try and main him and see what happens. yesterday, I got a triple stab and these player genuinely believed that I was a sniper, engineer, demo, etc. Thank you bro.
Personally I like to go friendly as spy and disguise as my own teams heavy so that whenever someone is nice back I can cloak and fade away like a ghost
I love how stylish this series is
immediately hearing death odyssey at the start though just tells you how good this guy is
Based ultrakill music choices and nice sfm/content? Subbed
God i love when you put those cut short screams they’re so good ☠️
I watched this before playing ULTRAKILL so I was surprised by the background music on a re-watch
Another great episode of Spychology yes sir
3:24 ok, now im depressed...
just kidding
or am i?
1. I watch these video's
2. I get motivated
3. I bootup tf2 and play spy
4. I die to the enemy pyro
5. I close tf2 again
6. I watch a video again
7. Repeat
Imagine telegraphing a trickstab that you're not going to do to catch the enemy off gaurd and escape.
I cannot believe that the first spy featured in the video is named "Dubspol", which is a DEEP dig at the STAR_ and Jerma videos way back when. Holy shit.
Great video boss. Editing is A1.
Another awesome video, great job!
My favorite technique for escaping a bad situation as a spy when they know you're a spy.
1: Turn a corner.
2: Drop disguise.
3: Break out your disguise kit.
4: Become the spy crab.
5: Pray that the enemy team has mercy.
Best education for spy and you had some good taste on Ultrakill ost
Really good content man :)
2:34 the reason why tf2 is my favourite is because of some of these panic moments with someone that after the panic both of you laugh
Hey, just wanna say, i loved the first video about disguises, I mean the fact you went so deep as to see cosmetics and try to act like you had as much experience as someone with those cosmetics would was kinda funny, but also really interesting, and I kinda wanna see gameplay of that now lol
Pyro mains with paranoia spychecking every damn corners
Ultrakill reference heard. Subscribing.
3:47 you killed pootis
just watched your previous video, im definetly improving, im now getting a kd of 1 instead of 0.5 which is a good improvement
I like that you put music in this video from ULTRAKILL.
Hey man, your videos are fucking awesome, I'm genuinely having more fun playing spy thanks to your tips!
Spy tf2 disguise funnies:
- Disguise as an enemy sniper, look up, spin in circles and jump at a small barrier a lot. You can get the sniper kicked because the team will think they’re a stuck bot
- Steal away uses of a teleporter by disguising as an engineer or heavy. Some people will recognize that you are more of a priority and step off the entrance so you can go on.
- Pretend to be a pyro in water and take out your melee. People will follow you after seeing that you don’t have a neon annihilator thinking it’s a free kill.
- Disguising as an enemy you’ve just killed is still viable and pretty strong if people are keeping track of their team, even without the YER.
- Jump at an object that you need to crouch jump onto over and over with a disguise that looks clueless to attract players.
- If you cam survive it, ask an enemy soldier for a whip with C + 1, run out of their range then trickstab them with the speed boost and get away safe.
- Disguise as a stock flamethrower pyro and wait by a cliff
THE ULTRAKILL! THE ULTRAKILL IS REAL!!
2:30 not only that but he was on *FIRE*
And i wouldn't even realise it if you didn't mention it
This channel is really underrated, you deserve way more subs dude
Kind of a cool thing that I'm not sure was talked about, scouts using the baby face blaster will move slower making it a bit easier for people to fall for you disguise
Yeah but nobody is going to look at your gun for long enough to see if it’s a baby face blaster when they can just shoot 1 shot to spycheck you
My man’s didn’t even count the pyro being on fire as a giveaway for the spy
video: how to avoid enemies as spy
me: whatching to know how a good spy play to kill then
clicked on this video wanting to learn about spy. was hit in the face with PTSD from ultrakill... It has been over a year. I have just woken up.
10/10 amazing video i am way better now
Death Odyssey jump scare. My heart rate shot up immediately
It is nice to see new tf2 videos from a new creator i wish u luck
There should be a video on how to set up disguise-related binds. I think dedicated buttons for common disguises (medic with the medigun, sniper, engineer with a wrench, pyro with a secondary) and three buttons to instantly switch the disguise's weapon to primary/secondary/melee then quickswitch to your previous weapon are useful.
I was once fooled by a spy pretending to be a sniper. He was legit doing nothing. Just acting like he was watching a corridor. I thought nothing of it until I got a knife in my back. Its all about the acting
cool as video, + cool music used
I just started playing tf2 yesterday and now you’ve made me super paranoid of spies
5:49 most accurate depiction of my thought process playing spy
i like your editing thank for the france tutorials
i didnt even see 10 seconds of this video and its already blasting ultrakill ost,i like it
this series helps a lot thanks
8:17
You can disguise yourself as someone from your own team. I only found one use for it. My team had a Hoovy so I disguised myself as him, watched him die a few times while cloaked until the enemy team ignored him most of the time and just sat in the corner where he used to be.
Nodded at people a couple of times, said thanks, passed up a few free backstabs in order to blend in. After a backstab, I just went back and crouched. When our Hoovy arrived, I cloaked and went somewhere else. When they killed him, I went back to his place. There was one pissed off Demoman that really hated Hoovies, so when I saw he died, I cloaked before he respawned. Worked a couple of times until the enemy team caught on but it was really funny.
That was very much so implied in the episode. You didn't need to say this
Bro, that deep "bullshit" at the start legit startled me for a sec lol
Spy is my second least played class but you have helped me want to try him out again. Thanks.
your channel is soo underrated
Now that I watched this episode of Spychology I think I'll go watch the disguise one.
I've actually tried these strategies out lately after the first video, and it definitely works a lot better and is so much goddamn fun
Another amazing spychology video.
"I hope you get random crited" is my new favorite curse
I love these spychology videos, there really helping me play as spy easier
Very nice follow up!
I'll elaborate on my disguise recommendations:
Scout- This is mainly if the Scout has a pistol- if you crouch and go to a corner or so, it looks like you got out of an engagement and are reloading or whatever. Additionally, if your team has a Sentry, aim your pistol and crouch whilst looking at the sentry- It'll trick your enemies into thinking you're lining up a shot on the sentry.
If the Scout has Mad Milk or a drink, if you crouch and call for Medic, it'll look like you're waiting for your team to show up so you can use that drink on the enemies. (This is my personal understanding)
Demo + Sniper: These two classes are weak at close range, so if they whip out their melee, it looks like they're trying to hunt down a Spy (An enemy class trying to exploit that weakness.) Don't make too much of a habit of it, but it can usually work if you have melee out and start moving to the backlines while making people think there's a Spy. (Try going towards flank routes, such as the pit under First RED Spawn on Upward or the outside stairs on Doublecross)
This especially works if they have a Non-Stock melee like the Pain Train or the Bushwacka because it shows you aren't clueless.
Pyro: You covered this iirc, but it looks like you're engaging in mid-range combat.
That advice about heavy bringing out the sandwich from comments is ultra evil
My personal proud disguise moment was start of the round on an attack/defense map and I disguised as a soldier, I check my loadout real quick and... Rocket Jumper, ___ secondary, and Market gardener... I was disguised as a Trolldier. Then the enemy team walked near me so for 4 minutes straight I had to fake being a soldier readying himself for a rocket jump, changing my mind checking angle, then checking again, I was too paranoid to go for a stab cus I wanted to do a chainstab without being seen and eventually they found me out.
Still proud I made it that far disguised as a Trolldier