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After watching S8E3 I think nothing is too dark for Game of Thrones... because I didn't see shit in that episode
Then don't watch it on a phone or a cheap screen. It was fine.
@@nerobruno It was just a joke 😅
Dammit, I was gonna post this comment.
@@nerobruno I'll do that when you donate some money
Lmaooo
The tyrion nose wasnt left out for being dark, but because it would require constant cgi and his lost nose wasnt that necessary for the story.
They literally say in the show after the battle of blackwater where he loses his nose, "oh, it's not as bad as I heard" in a nod to how he looked in the book
Blake Hacker Yeah, Cersei says “they said you lost your nose”
It would’ve stopped me taking the performance seriously if Tyrion was walking around with no nose. I don’t think it would’ve added anything it would’ve just got in the way of Dinklage delivering his lines.
Dylan Morgan yeah if we had a crypt keeper looking dwarf it would be far too distracting
dylan mead most of the stuff on the list was left out cause it was pointless it’s more tame than some stuff on the show
Ah George... always vividly describing food, even when its a wolf eating a man.
I remember I was tired of reading about foods...
Even Tyrion's puke was described so vividly I was starting to think it's delicious
vitaliphotos there is always a whole paragraph donated to foods at feasts
@@avarielle1582 Those paragraphs always made me so friggin hungry.
I remember another warg, I waa reading the description of how he ate a baby and how the meat was more tender.
Ramsay's bedding and relationship itself with Jeyne was quite messed up too. The Ramsay in the show is a gentleman compared to the book version.
Well isn’t that a horrifying thought.
Fatalshock-JoT yes, yes it is
@@Chronocrits unfortunately he isn't wrong
Dude, in the show he skinned a man and his wife alive and made their son watch
@@mohmedibrahem2376 And that is not even close to the worst things Ramsay in the books did.
i don´t get all the people who thought ramsey being beaten by john and then eaten by his dogs was him getting what he deserved.
that guy would have deserved more years of extreme torture than any person could expect to live...
i am not sure about whether being ridiculed would interest ramsey. i actually think the only pain he feels could be from damaging his body. for example being skinned bit by bit, living in the cold, beaten every day, hungry, thirsty.
one way that might be very good:
blinding, cutting his tounge, making him deaf. so he is bored as fuck and can hardly feel anything but what happens to his skin and body.
maybe, but I would submit that he was very interested in proving himself as a worthy Bolton instead of just another bastard, and once he gained his title, he jealously protected his own chance for a legacy against future "true born" sons of his father by murdering his father, stepmother, and infant half brother. He also seemed to relish the power when he was named Warden of the North, so I think his ego could be hurt in that regard, with a life spent gurgling animal dongs while thousands of people who once feared him now throwing horse shit at him and laugh at him, and his knowing that even though he still lives, he will be physically unable to ever exact any measure of revenge against his enemies due to having lost all of his limbs, not even by biting them if they literally walked up and put their hand in his mouth (since he would also have no teeth). Also, with his dick rendered useless but his balls intact, he will still feel sexual urges for the rest of his life, but will be unable to ever get any relief from it, which provides yet another level of psychological torture in the daily realization that he is the most wretched, miserable, helpless man in all of Westeros and will remain so until his last breath.
@@davejacob5208 you've learned nothing. the starks are honorable and merciful. Doing ANY of what you said is betraying everything they stood up for. And most of all, betraying Ned stark. You would've stooped to Ramseys level.
SeMTeX Plague
you´ve understood nothing. the starks are not the topic.
the topic is ramsey, what ramsey did, what ramsey deserves, and justice.
i don´t see how it is even relevant to justice WHO brings it.
and how the fuck is it making me similar to ramsey if he tortures the innocent, while i only bring him the torture that he brought?
i did not even want to claim that an eye for an eye is good.
but using the vocabulary like the people use who say he got what he "deserved":
if he deserves a bad thing for being a fucking huge peace of shit,
then i don´t see how he deserverd so much less pain than the pain he really caused. he probably skinned hundreds. yet he only suffered for two minutes at most. i´d say less than one minute.
also force feed him to keep him alive even if he decides to starve himself...
Some of these make sense, Like Tyrion's nose, not important to the story, and not worth the CGI budget, and Lady Stoneheart, she would require a shitton of CG.
...but for Euron, there's no excuse.
involuntaryanalysis Right?! Book Euron legit terrifies me. GOT Euron is a joke. I feel stupid for telling people “This guy is way worse than Ramsay”
Tbh, having read the chapters involving Lady Stoneheart before seeing the later series, I was still expecting her to show up at some point and was curious what she'd look like in the show. Alas, I guess it won't happen now.
I always envisioned her to look far more corpse-like than the art shown in the vid.
I heard the reason they didn't do Lady Stoneheart was because George himself hadn't come up with a way to conclude that storyline yet, and God knows that man is not quick about resolving shit, so the showrunners decided not to risk starting something they'd have no way of finishing in time.
Honestly, one of the smarter moves on their part, as cool as it would have been.
Don't think Lady Stoneheart would require lot of CG, makeup morelike, SFX makeup and prosthetics to be specific. The Night King is mostly done this way, too.
@@nastassjaloots4717 Really they should've just changed his name to Victarion because show Euron is much more closer to Victarion, even though book victarion is much more badass than this piece of joke.
theon becoming reek was way worse in the books too hes missing fingers and toes and his hair is white and brittle from the stress and torture to the point where he is not recognized
Reek is reek in the books not some skinny scared theon in the show
@@reubena7854 To my understanding, there are multiple Reeks, and Theon is one. There was an original who was actually named Reek and served with Ramsay, but after him the name is used by Ramsay to humiliate and dehumanize his personal servant. This is why (at least in the books) Theon is so focused on remembering his name, because between the torture and becoming Reek, Ramsay very successful strips his identity from him.
To me the worst part is the teeth
@@trashstorage1468 the original reek's name wasn't reek, they just called him that because he smelled awlful, he was probably cursed because not matter how much he bath and cleaned himself he would always stink. He almost died once after drinking perfume trying not to smell that bad
@@isaacmendes1926 actually he drank perfume and almost died for doing so twice, it was Ramsay's mom perfume he stole
Brienne's feeling of floating above herself watching the horror as if it was happening is a real thing, its a coping mechanism of a brain called dissociation. Its a out of body experience where brain tries to keep your consciousness safe from extreme trauma by pulling it away from the present. Absolutely golden writing G.R.R.
Whoah, that's genius
It has nothing to do with your 'brain keeping your consciousness safe..." Who the F comes up with such a dumb explanation....
Your brain cannot project your consciousness, and if it could, 'sending it outside' would do nothing to protect it, as your brain can easily be destroyed, and there goes your 'consciousness.'
No; consciousness is external to the brain to begin with; it is more fundamental than physical reality itself.
out of body experiences are super weird and we have no idea how or why they work. People can achieve them in a number of different ways, and in each way, new information is gained from being outside your body, so it cannot be a construction of the brain, as people claim.
That is, something can be behind something from your point of view, but when you go 'out of body,' you can see it, and later, when you return to your body, you can rely what you saw. You can obviously control for this, and people report back information it was impossible to know unless they literally really left their body
It goes beyond t his to when people 'died' in a hospital, or went OOB during surgery. They would report what cars drove by, what color a car was when something happened, or report on events that were going on outside the room, or outside the hospital, and obviously reported back exactly what happened in the hospital room.
There is just to much evidence of consciousness existing as a primary 'substance,' while the brain is a mere anchor for our consciousness to interact with the physical world.
SO no, your brain doesn't "project your consciousness" to protect it.... that makes no sense, because under this materialistic worldview, your consciousness would still die once your brain gets caved in
@@pyropulseIXXI So do you have anything to base your opinions on or is this a "dude trust me bro" situation? I see your point and your worldview, but as an mental healthcare professional who has studied this subject and brain's coping mechanics for years, i gotta call BS on most of what you just said.
@@TheNarghes firstly, i highly respect your work as a mental professional and trust you know what you're talking about, so i hope this doesn't come across as argumentative at all. but out of curiosity, what was wrong with what op said? i'm not a professional, but i myself have been in and out of psychiatric help since i was a teenager (i'm in my late 20's now). when my therapist was helping me understand my dissociative episodes, this is how she described them to me, especially when i dissociated when experiencing the trauma.
when going through the tougher moments in my life i frequently experienced the "floating above" myself feeling too. personally, during my episodes i always feel as though i'm looking in on myself from a third perspective or "watching myself through a screen". perhaps op's comment is leaving out context, but it is factual that dissociation can be a reaction to the trauma in order for the psyche to protect itself.
@@raptatta Narghes was responding to the comment above him that spouted some esoterical bs.
The scene involving Bran gets worse. After Bran is done warging into Summer he wakes up to find that Coldhands had come back with pork meat because he had "found a sow". I find it hard to believe that after them all being hungry for a long time Coldhands had found a sow right after killing a bunch of Night's Watch deserters. And we know from Sam's chapters that human flesh when cooked looks and smells a lot like pork. So I think Bran ate human flesh in human form too.
And if not then, there's always the paste. I wonder how many other 'Bran eats people' mysteries there are.
wow that never occurred to me even though they ask multiple times where he got it. pretty dark.
Oh yeah I agree that its not dark meat (human is red meat just like sow lol)
I see you two survive the long, night, slowly chewing down each others fingers... 😂
@@kennethbryant5819 I missed it too. Yikes! I imagine I'll be paying more attention to that scene after I do the re-read, which I intend once the series is finished.
While the first 3-4 seasons followed the books fairly well, I'm pretty sure if they followed the books exactly, the producers would probably go to prison.
? why would they go to prison?
@@bitbytegaming Let's just say that the show is tame by comparison.
yeeeaaaaaaa
@@bitbytegaming
Probably due to all the child rape. Danny is ~13 in the books when she is married to and fucked by Drogo and Jayne Pool is also ~13 when Ramsey forces Reek (mk2?) to rape her. Furthermore, Tommen is only 9 in the books when he is married to Margery ~17 and while they don't have sex he would have been expected to as soon as he was capable. There is a lot more child exploitation in the books and even filming stuff like this you wouldn't want to put child actors anywhere near that.
Gyro Doughnut
So rape is too much, but *_BURNING A CHILD ALIVE_* is ok... hell it didn’t even happen in the books... yet
6:56 in the books robert even says he's thought of abandoning the iron throne/abdicating and fighting as a sellsword in essos but what always stopped him was the thought of joffrey on the iron throne
Couldn’t he have just given it to Stannis instead.
@@mysteryjunkie9808 I think giving it to Stannis would be seen as a slight against house Lannister, which is why he probably couldn’t do that. In ASOS, there’s a line about Walden Frey wanting their grandson to be heir to the North, and I’m sure Tywin was thinking much the same when he wed Cersei to Robert.
@@mysteryjunkie9808 a king can't just declare someone else his heir, the line of succession is still law
@@nicholasoneal1521 Yes he can. Only this is really irresponsible and will generate conflict. This is how the first Blackfyre war begun.
@@Krisliet this is incorrect, the Blackfyre rebellion began because Aegon 4 legitimised his bastard children, but he didn’t name any of them his heir
You left out the worst part with fake arya, it's implied that Ramsey makes her perform sexual acts with a dog.
whaaaaat
Plus instead of just making Theon watch him rape Fake Arya/Sansa in the books he makes him participate in it!
yeah but Theon in that case is a victim of assault too because Ramsey is going to cut out his tongue if he doesn't participate, Theon's being forced under threat of maiming and given Ramsey's track record we know it's a 100% valid threat. Just like Tyrion is forced into participating with Tysha's assault, that's clearly mutual rape because Tywin left Tyrion with no choice in the matter, but Theon in particular was already broken and being threatened with yet more maiming, so the poor guy was really in no way, shape, or form consenting to anything.
yeahhh that's implied by Jeyne herself when Theon and the spear wives attempt a rescue, she thinks it is Ramsey tricking her into trying to escape so he can punish her further and she indicates that something along those lines happened
I remember reading that all ramsay`s dogs were females
How is “they described the purple wedding differently” worse than Theon eating a living rat in disgusting detail?
came here to say that! this was the only chapter in the books that I skipped, I just couldn't read it
NOT THEON, REEK!
Jorah almost rapes dany, and we are going to talk about eating rats and purple weddings.
@@theodorethanos2038
When did Jorah try to rape Dany? He only kissed her. He wanted her for his wife and lover, not as just a conquest.
Really? I just read that chapter and I felt hungry xD
The Mountain's treatment of civilian captives should have made this list. It's way worse in the books. Arya stumbles across the town where all the men are rotting from a gibbet. After Arya is countered, she sees Clegane pick a civilian daily to question via torturing them to death. One mother tells Clegane everything she knows to spare her daughter, and then the Mountain picks the daughter the next day to make sure the mother didn't hold anything back.
Everything related to the Mountain should've made the list.
Gregor is a psychopath.
As much as Vargo Hoath deserved it, his death was gruesome and just further shows how Gregor is one of the few sincerely, down to his core, pure evil characters in the series.
They showed this in the show he uses the rat in a bucket
Oberyn didn't go far enough.
I don't judge Bran for eating human meat at all. The men were already dead, and he was hungry.
Meh
Bran didn't have control over Summer at that point. Whenever he slipped to Summer's skin, he became Summer almost completely.
Yeah. It's not MY fault grandma's funeral was so awkward. I was hungry and they didn't have any snacks.
If I had to choose between dying of starvation or eating human flesh, I'd probably die from food born illness because I can't cook for shit!
Smoking Samoria That’s fucked up, you could’ve gotten food poison
I was always creeped out by how Cersei gave Qynurn people she disliked to basically get “parts”
And Qyburn was so casual about it. "Oh, she's still alive... more or less. But I'm afraid she's quite used up." I really wonder what he was actually doing to/with them but I'm probably just as happy not knowing.
@@brucetucker4847 Cadavers. For his "studies". Forbidden studies. Hell that's how modern medicine came about. It all started with studying and experimenting on the dying and corpses (which was forbidden by the church/law at the time, such practices were regarded as heresy or witchcraft and those caught or accused were sentenced to death). Yes the origin of modern medicine was truly brutal as hell.
@@joshstanton267 Sure, but Qyburn is experimenting with healthy people - at least, healthy before he got started on them.
@@brucetucker4847haha if he'd been a Japanese scientist in ww2 he'd probably have changed everything as we know it.
@@brucetucker4847 doctors paid by the body and enterprising criminals would sometimes "make" a body when non could be found. Burke and Hare of Edinburgh for example.
Ramsay was definitely the most twisted Character in the Books for me. You knew that Jeyne Poole was having a hard time, but when it gets to the part where she's hiding in the corner of the room and the Women gasp from seeing scratches all over her body it got me. The way it was described and remembering how young she is, dark stuff.
How young is she? :(
@@eggnogalcoholic 13 i believe during those events, same age as Sansa. WAY too young.
@@mrteaandcrumpets2754 “way to young” as if it’s somehow acceptable if they were older lol
@@isitoveryet9525 lmao fr
Daddy bolton is even worse, because unlike chaotic and shortsighted ramsay, roose's psychopathy has method to it. He uses the northern lords under him as cannon fodder in the riverlands, while keeping his own out of the fighting, he organised the red wedding, he rapes a miller's wife under her husband's hanged, dangling corpse, because they denied him the first night (and then popped out ramsay).
His motto is the worst thing, "A peaceful land, a quiet people", basically implying that the boltons do a lot of bad things in their land, but the small folk don't say anything because they're pressured to keep their mouth shut. I think you see where i'm going here
Ahhh GRRM, always producing such uplifting and heartwarming content for the masses 😅
It's almost like the man made compilations of all the horrible things humans can do to each other then made a book series out of it.
@@ipromisethatserendipityisa9656 Yea... *_oh wait_*
😂😂
@@ipromisethatserendipityisa9656 You are in fact right, A song of ice and fire is an anti war story.
Martin is very descriptive
The Jeyne Poole one terrifies me to the deepest. A great showcase of Ramsay's cruelty... But then there is Euron... That man... *shivers* *poopshimself*
@FuckYouAllToPieces
Waaaaat?
@FuckYouAllToPieces Euron wants to fist fuck her dragons while she is tied up, naked, and has her eyes sewn open.
FuckYouAllToPieces
With A FINGER IN DA BUM?
@@luxborealis show euron is a teddy bear compared to books...
If his really as bad as you say I can’t wait till I’m on there parts in the books
I enjoy the books, but I think George is a bit of a writers' sadist.
Khaled Rapp Much worse or equally as bad but much more frequently.
Agreed, you really have no idea how unspeakably cruel humans were to eachother for most of our history.
@Khaled Rapp Some of the executions in the Persian Empire come to mind. Also _Gaunching,_ a form of impalement, may be the most disturbing execution method I've ever heard of. Wikipedia is fun!
The best writer's are the ones who bring your mind to places you would not normally go, or at least admit to going to
@@ascuzzibabadibupi978 I don't think he will ever end the books. Only the next one and that's it
I think it would have been gross/awesome if they would have put that scene of Lady Stone heart having to close her throat w/her hands to speak, GRRM has some imagination.
Ooft why do i feel like I've read this somewhere in another bokk in like a snowy place in the past its annoying me now
@@AmmaraSHAH773377 it makes me think of smokers who have lost their voice and use an external device to serve as their larynx.
There’s a scene in the books where Daenarys is walking through the streets of Mereen and she walks past a body and realises that every inch of the body is covered by flies and when someone accidentally walks into the body the flies fly off, it’s explained better in the books but that image always stuck with me.
Yeah the man got skinned in the shape of a tigerpelt.
Not to mention the man was still allive and had all maggots all over his skinned parts after the flies went away. After she asked what this man had done to deserve this they told her he raised his hand against his master.
@@noise2see664 Sounds like he got what he deserved,nothing worse than a disobedient slave.
@@minners71 WTF
@@noise2see664 I sincerely apologize for my foul language but what the actual f*ck
gosh, I still like dany no matter what.
Cersei has one of Margaery Tyrell's favorite singers tortured by Qyburn to force evidence of Marg's promiscuity. Details i forget mostly but I remember his eyes being removed. Cersei is disturbed by the ordeal and wants to run off but forces herself to stay to not appear weak and she was also the accuser who wanted the information. Even afterwards she is haunted but justifies that she is doing it for Tommen. Also, the torture that Lysa's favorite singer and accomplice experiences to interrogate him after Littlefinger throws her from the moon door. He is constantly singing loudly afterwards which can be heard throughout the eyrie and disturbs Sansa. Singers have the most dangerous job in Westeros.
And, although he got off easy (propably), let's not forget the guy who wrote a song about Tyrion and Shae's relationship. And the guy that has his tongue cut off by Joffrey. Being a singer isn't worth it in ASOIAF.
Don't forget that Tyrion ordered to cook his singer while he was still alive.
@@smallmoon4340 No, he told Bronn to assassinate him and ensure his body was never found. Bronn just thought that turning him into stew would be the most efficient way of accomplishing this goal. Tyrion of course approved, but his original intent was to get rid of the body. He didn't care too much of how this was to be accomplished.
Marillion deserved what he got imo, he was a prick.
Two things (in terms of general plot) that I wish the TV show had included: Tyrion learning the truth about Tysha, and the resurrection of Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart.
and faegon
Faegon is really important
I wanted Stoneheart so bad... Just to see where GRRM went with her. I had this idea of Jon getting involved
the series its like the Disney versions and the books are the original histories
No wonder Martin's compared it to Little Mermaid😂
It’s hinted at quite strongly that Lady Donella was definitely starved and not flayed.
Louis Juarez "went crazy and got a little hungry" he said but you are correct.
She was starved to death
I read it as him flaying her fingers. The raw nerves hurt so bad that she tried to chew her fingers off to stop the pain. Like when Reek begs Ramsey to cut off the fingers he's been flaying.
He did say in the video that she starved to death. I have no idea what you're talking about
Michael Wigren Yes her fingers were flayed and she chewed them off. Reek says that he did the same thing when Ramsay flayed one of his fingers
The woman ate her won fingers😰😨🤢
Biter vs Brienne was dark AF. 😰😬🤕
What about Aryas sample chapter in winds of winter
Hey... It's tough enough that Brienne isn't the best-looking woman, but now she's even worse looking.
@@swedefromtwitt they are sooooo dark!!! Sad samples is all we gotta get it seems like.
It never happened at the show right?
They're eating her... then they're going to eat me!
Oh my Gooooooooooooooooooooood !!!
I absolutely love the drawing of hodor carrying all 4 kids plus a direwolf.... its perfect
I'm expecting the whole video to just have ramsay Bolton scenes
There's stuff too dark for Game of Thrones? Never thought I'd hear that after watching the Battle of Winterfell
HAHA, oh my god you have no idea
Yeah, if George RR Martin directed the show and made it 100% accurate to the books, he’d be sent to prison and the show would be banned
@@burningwolf_9679 No the joke was that you couldn't see anything in that episode..
Ya if you get far enough into the later books the pages become really dark gray and it's hard to discern the text.
Am I the only one that’s more excited for The Winds of Winter than for Season 8
10/10 readers are more excited for The Winds of Winter than Season 8
definitely not. these last seasons have been very disappointing
Geek forlife Season 8 will be terrible. Only the most casual of fans are actually excited for that train wreck
The sample chapters alone for winds of winter are masterful works art , let the brutality continue as the gods tug a puppet string here and there to keep things interesting
it probably won't come out and there's even less hope for the last book lol
A lot of people didn’t notice this but euron in the show said “I’m on a ship full of mutes” so I think that was them confirming it
we see a scene in s8 where ppl in eurons ships talk tho 🥲
worst part: his crew in s8 not only talks, but say FIRE instead of LOOSE when shooting at Drogon lmao
@@bigboss4178 Didn't you know they invented black powder to use in those ballistae?
This one's full of terrors
whycreate can you make a videos about the unsullied please...... because they aren't as great in the show compared to books
whycreate May the Lord of Light be with you, my friend
Ze book iz bettur 😈👌
Just like my childhood
So is the night
With Martin's skill at transporting you into the world, it can make for a sometimes uncomfortable experience.
Those moments stay with you long after you experience it. So many Arya moments bring to light just how dark things
can get. Bran chapters come to mind, and anytime you learn more of what Qyburn is up to. Thinking about being below
Kings Landing is nightmare inducing to say the least.
Even cersei didnt want to think of what qyburn was doing down in the dungeons so you know its fucked up
bakoos lol Yeah it was already a horrible place of pain and despair. I feel like you could have a chapter down there from some random unfortunate person down there. It would be like a horror story.
FitzChivalry Farseer yeah raff the sweetling sticking his tounge into aryas mouths was a comfy read
O yeah for sure or when Arya is listening to a story about The Mountain and what he did to a poor defenseless inn keep's daughter, while the father had watch and keep serving The Mountain and his men. Nothing uncomfortable about it at all.
@FitzChivalry Farseer I think you just don't have enough imagination. That's okay. Not all people can deeply immerse themselves in what they read.
What should've happened is Sansa returning home to wed Ramsay, only to find her former best friend- Jeyne Poole- already locked up and kept as a tortured concubine... Alongside Theon. Ramsay would boast about what he did to "fake Arya" to Sansa, and Sansa would have to perpetuate the ruse and pretend that Jeyne is in fact Arya.
Now that would've been brilliant and more loyal to canon.
If you read the books before watching the show, it takes a couple chapters before you realize who Reek is. The first Reek chapters are absolutely horrifying. Also, although it isn't technically released yet, there's a Victarion chapter that's out as a preview that's pretty twisted too.
Its implied almost right away. When he remembers that girl with the keys. (Keira maybe?) Anyway.....when he remembers the conversation and how she wouldn't leave his side. Even when he said he'd bring back a host of Ironborn to rescue her if they followed her. It only could have been Theon.
the victarion part of how he unalived his wife for cuking him with euron? with his bare hands?
@@fgcpeak9591 There's an Aeron chapter where he's been imprisoned by Euron and reflects on how Euron abused him as a child while he witnesses a massive human sacrifice being prepared. It's horrifying.
Hearing that Robert beat his son for killing those cats made me so happy. That's why I like Robert
He's a true man
Yep. Of course it's not good that he knocked his son's teeth out, but imagine the shock of your young son presenting you with a disemboweled cat, and seeing the dead sacs of kittens. I'd probably do it too
@Ajok Ajing i didn't say he was good
What son?
@@BoundInChains lol
Lol.... He liked to rape and beat Cersei when drunk, part of why she was such a misanthrope. And he killed helpless children. Yes, what a man.
The problem with Ramsay is there's no depth or hidden vulnerability. Okay he's frustrated with being a Snow but it doesn't really explain the extreme sadism considering his father treats him fairly well. Whereas Joffrey, as cruel as he is, has weaknesses which make the TV character a lot more interesting and the violence a little less gratuitous
Well he had a his childhood friend (reek) who fuelled and encouraged his sadistic nature. Roos Bolton is just as cruel as Ramsay but less brazen.
it's only hinted at, very minor.
he was disturbed by the tale of his conception that roose told him.
and he first couldn't bear to watch, as he fed his half-brother and wanda to the dogs
also, his entire relationship to his father reveals his self-worth issues
Don't really agree with that. His vulnerability was his desire to prove himself worthy of his fathers name to rid himself of his bastard one, see the pleasure he takes referring to Jon as 'bastard' without realizing Jon made peace with it when he hadn't even after earning the Bolton name - that's weakness. His sadistic nature comes from his houses long standing tradition of flaying their enemies alive, it's understandable for a character with his affliction to overcompensate and take the violence too far from a young age. There's plenty of depth in the characters psychology.
Joffrey's psychology is different. A child of incest groomed to be King without having to earn it or understand the meaning of actions and consequences. It gives him more obvious vulnerability (i.e. lacks wisdom, moral and strategic guidance and can't physically defend himself, all of which because he never had to learn these things), but it doesn't disregard Ramsey's authenticity as a complex character driven by his own mental deficiencies just because he's more capable.
I mean, it's not necessary to live awful things for someone to become awful. Simple things can triggers a mad mind, that's all. Psychologically, we can't think like this, searching clear justification or explanation for someone's madness in his vulnerabilities or traumas or whatever. Nor is it needed to have clear vulnerabilties to write a character. To me, Ramsay's own psychology is his vulnerability. Someone with this kind of mind can't think clearly and is doomed to downfall soon or later, but more soon than later
@Booper Dooper I think it's ore realistic to write it like this, without big incident in Ramsay's life. Psychology is way more subtle than what people think. let's say he already has some psychopath predisposition. And then witness some kind of violence early. That could be enough in real life y'know
I don't think Stoneheart was "left out" because it was "too dark", I think she was left out because she's a pointless storythread, and to bring her back after Michelle Fairely's brilliant death scene would undercut one of the best scenes in TV history.
Kyle Shire yeah i agree, she served the show purpose and that ends with the red wedding as far I’m concerned.
She was brilliant, but Arya killing the Freys didn't have the same emotional impact for me. Too rushed
Kayla Laverdiere I disagree on Arya killing the Freys being too rushed. The entire storyline of her in Braavos was meant to develop her character and preparing for her revenge. During her time there, she became a skilled killer, even getting her revenge on Meryn Trant. I thought finally seeing her kill Walder Frey and his entire house showed how much her character has developed throughout the 4 seasons after being at the Red Wedding, capping off the vengeance we’ve always wanted on the Freys.
To be fair to Lady Stoneheart, I doubt she will be pointless.
Arya killing the Freys was horrible and just easy television writing.
Why have a complex character slowly kill multiple characters who were just following orderd in a complicated grey issue. When you can have one magic super assassin easily take revenge on all the Freys in one magic fell swoop.
I'd really have wanted show Euron to be more like book Euron, he's a pretty wild character and it's also implied that he's actually a pretty big deal in the story of the books, while in the show he's little more than a sadistic horndog with a hard on for Cersei, i really hope they're going to juice his character up a bit before the end of the show and make him tie into the plot a bit more in the last episodes as i still really like him as a character, he does have some good scenes and i like his antics in the show but i just think they could do the character more justice.
He’s literally the Antichrist in the books
yeah about that
Ha
when theon gets tortured ramsey flays his fingers and leaves them to dry as theon is chained to the wall and cant move
alot of the things ramsey does in the books actually was too dark for the show
thats why you barely see him torture anyone. while that is 90% of what he does in the books
Can’t wait for Stannis to take Winterfell in the Books a burn him as a sacrifice to the Lord of Light
I thought this was 10 scenes from the show where the lighting was too low and it was hard to see what's going on.
Last night episode, the show feels shitty now
I genuinely like the dark and sadistic side of the books. If an author depicts something gruesome and dark it stays in your memory and reminds you the author is probably showing how people are and were in dark times in our world. Cannablism and rape are things that happen every day in parts of our world and trying to blanket yourself from it is stupid. Also it’s a nice contrast to make the happy times stand out and make what little happy endings there are in the books feel that much more deserved. GRRM isn’t a sadist people. He knows what he’s doing. There’s a reason they are all bestsellers and people makes thousands of videos on the lore and characters.
True that.
I don't think it's stupid to not want to read about rape and torture for fun. Pretty much just as normal as wanting to through horror movies and grimdark fantasy lol. If you know about warcrimes in other parts of the world you don't want to watch footage of it generally
nah,he is just weird,the amount of sadism he shows to marginalized groups without a second thought(also the cannibalism you are talking about was practiced by european and i am solely saying this because that whole thing had a tone of ignorance attached to it)and the sadism in real life exists because of the years of european colonialism that affected and still affects people of the global majority
I stumbled across the book series (Storm of Swords was the newest at the time) when I was in 6th grade at the local library. The most disturbing scene to me was when Arya was being death marched by the Mountain and a 4 year old boy wouldn't stop crying for his dead mother. So, he was smashed in the head (or face) with a mace. Something about brutality of innocents chills me to the bone. Sadly this isn't fantasy. People brutalize innocents in real life every single day.
Good example, just the way it was described so matter-of-factly. It's actually a little worse than you described it lol. The boy was screaming for his dad, got face-maced, and then his mother started screaming.
if you do like at that brutalization you basically came to the conclusion of whyte violence,like literally people were not as brutal as we are(esp after colonizing the entire planet)
Lmaoooo what are you talking about? Please read a history book, educate yourself and stop commenting such absolute nonsense
Also the Blue Bard torture scene. Ugh, it gave me nightmares for days.
What Littlefinger did to Marillion as well. Sure, Marillion was a Grade A piece of shit but I don't really think he deserved all that.
The blood pooling in his boots stay with me even though it has been around 3 years since my last re-read.
Worst thing happened in ASOIAF is Ramsey’s wedding night
Squirrelcake but Ramsey’s wedding night traumatized me the most because we read a whole chapter about it, not heard it from other characters
Or Ramsay raping girls he's hunted before killing them and letting Reek rape their corpse.
"traumatized"??.....it's fictional!!, if you got traumatized by words on paper than you need to be kept wrapped in a bubble inside the house
or else you'll be literally traumatized for life
chicken legs TV damn chill I was exaggerating
chicken legs TV it's a figure of speech...
Joffrey murdered a pregnant cat around the age of 6-7. Yet we're led to believe by Barristan that a 6-7 year old Viserys was like Aerys. The inconsistency is getting on my nerves
I fully agree I belive Viserys just physically looked more like his father and so he was labeled mad before he even did anything his story is a tragedy and Barristan is still a good knight but I don't trust him fully because he was the only one not to stay loyal to the Targs while the others died being loyal even Jamie was more loyal. Plus he only went to Dany because he got fired nothing more nothing less
Wolfsbane Alphas Jaime is just as bad as Barristan. He let Rhaegar's children die, he didn't even try to save them. And only when he's lost his hand and confronted by the ghost of his betters and Rhaegar himself, does Jaime display some form of guilt over not saving the children.
Barristan decided to Label Viserys a second mad king and yet he goes looking for him after Joffrey discharges Barristan from the Kingsguard.
Jaime is trying find and protect Sansa when the only way he can redeem himself is to protect a Targaryen, more specifically a living of Rhaegar's, (Jon Snow or fAegon/Young Griff) you can't betray one family and get redeem by doing something right by a whole different family.
Both are falsely loyal to the targaryens and they both deserve to die gruesome deaths in the books.
Barristan is going to betray Dany and join fAegon/Young Griff
And I can only Hope that StoneHeart leaves Jaime with less than what he has already
Hasan Wilson barristan tells himself that to make himself feel better about betraying Viserys.
He is speaking purely in hindsight
Speaking of barristan preston Jacobs just posted another part of his story
@Jesse Ling him being nearby isn't the point. The point is that absolutely no thought or effort was put in on their account. He had A complete lack of concern for their well being and displays zero remorse or regret. Not even when confronted with Rhaegar's ghost he still displays a complete lack of guilt. yeah he's ready to go to hell and back to Rescue Sansa, as if that's supposed to make up for before. Saving and protecting Sansa by no means compensates for the three lives he blatantly disregarded and dismissed. I'm sure he was there when the bodies were presented, yet nothing symbolizing that oh Jaime is really ruined by this and he's going to deeply regret this and carry the guilt for the rest of his life.
"but that doesn't excuse what he did"
Why the hell not? They were already dead, no harm no foul, the taboo on cannibalism is pretty over the top if you ask me.
This was even more excusable than regular cannibalism, because he was in the mind of a wolf, thinking like a wolf.
Night's Watch members have resorted to cannibalism too when travelling far beyond the wall, why shouldn't Bran do the same?
Honestly, I wouldn't be mad if someone ate me to avoid starving. Im dead already, whats the matter? Its all in our heads
The huge taboo about cannibalism is stupid anyway. Meat is just fuckin meat, once the person is dead they're nothing but meat. Why it bothers some people so much I don't know, especially if cannibalism it's done to survive.
Agreed. The taboo on cannibalism is pretty much based on two reason only: a) society ("um sorry I took a couple bites out of your daughter corpse 'cause I was hungry" doesn't go over too well) and b) diseases you can get from eating human flesh.
In Bran's case both of these reason are kind of void because no one really cares about some random Crows and because he's in the body of a wolf.
Could be that bran risks getting addicted and becoming a hollow wendigo in his own body too.
snapgab wait are you saying
The Real Euron Greyjoy...apparently.
I'm half hoping that we find out This Euron, is a decoy, and the REAL Euron Greyjoy shows up in season 8.
@@involuntaryanalysis hahahahahahhahahahahaha
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Just stopping by to say you make quality, detailed videos on Thrones content and I am VERY grateful.
I clicked thinking it would actually be about the lighting. I swear I can't see anything that going on during the scnes!
So true!
Dont watch illegally so.
Me toooo! It was especially frustrating to watch tonight's episode 3. At one point, I got up to sit closer to my tv and still could not see. Instead I see my reflection. Very annoying, lol. They should have fought at dawn instead to have tiny bit of light to help us see.
ariane. Just wait
@@Jcarp1989 What's the point of "the night is dark and full of horrors" if the fight's at dawn?
Well, in one of the books, the mountain and his men were taking women ond by one into the bushes to rape them until one girl, after being raped 7 times tried to fight back and bit one of the mountain's men or something. He made everyone watch as he split her in half witj his sword then left her body for the crows and wolves
Good guy mountain
also, when roose bolton took harrenhal, he ordered the serving women to be bound up to a wooden structure (cant recall the exact name of the thing), naked, for every men to use them as they pleased.. for having served lannister men... That was so fucked up... as if the poor women had a choice... they were raped countless time by the mountains men only to get even more raped by the northerners...
Based biting woman
Bran eating human flesh while inside Summer’s body isn’t that bad. Rickon, who is five years younger than him at 3-4 years old, got shipped off to an island of cannibals and eats straight up flesh there too, and no one is really complaining tho
Wow love being up at 5 am drunk and you upload
Even better being stoned as well!
Yet Another awsome vid:) alongside the voice-over! For months the only videos I could stand,came from my man anomaly:) thanks for reminding me that there is still good left in GOT!!!! Thanks create.
"Jeyne, Jeyne... it rhymes with pain..."
Ah of course, GRRM the greatest family friendly writer
Keep up the good work!!! Looking forward to your next video!
Shireen burning Alive in front of many is the most disturbing scène i think i ever saw in any movies/TV shows ever. I can watch all other brutal deaths and i can see people skin removed but a child screaming in pain while burning? Thats a big nope
that is non canon... in the books Shireen is alive and well... she is protected at all times and costs because Stannis has made clear that if he dies, his cause must continue with Shireen as his heir... his supporters are commanded to put her on the Iron Throne at all costs..
Hey man, thanks for keeping long wait for Season 8 bearable
Season 8 is gonna be trash lol I'm sure we'll all prefer content like this in the end
I dont give a crap about any new season. All i care about is Winds of Winter
Ironside Bear fuck off
@@AJ0223 you were right
@@vvsparis yea bitch what now lmao
It would be great to have Euron fight Ramsey.
This can just be filled with Ramsay Scenes
This guys voice is so entrancing. It would be less embarrassing for me to say I could not would listen to it for hours a day, but that would be a lie. I hope you keep making videos. :)
Weirdly in some areas the show made things more rough. In others they cut out moments that just seemed really damn gratuitous. A lot of it relates to Gregor. In the shows he is a reliable enough brute but the books had him be far too unstable for even Tywin to trust. Big guy or not he had a crippling addiction to opium and way too comfortably and routinely killed Lannister soldiers. Tywin would have been smart enough to not let him live and focus on the just as capable Sandor instead.
it only tasted good because he was in summer's mind and it tastes good to a wolf. it's like werewolves when they eat people it doesn't make them a cannibal.
Maybe in the show it wouldn't have shocked me, cause I would've just seen a wolf eating a man. But in the books it's quite disturbing, since you are in Bran's head when he explains "how good the meat was".
Love your content keep up the good work 😁
This is awesome, thanks for making this man.
The worst parts and character is definitely Ramsey. He’s so realistic and that’s what makes it scary. He gets off by inflicting pain and misery on people. He gets joy from instilling fear and destroying someone’s identity. It’s terrifying how he can totally seem like a friend but then turns out to be the devil in disguise. Him cutting off the theons penis was way too much I felt so bad for him during that episode. He totally destroyed him and he was never the same.
I think the way Joffrey's childhood was portrayed was moreso a way for us to see that the abuse that Robert gave to him turned him down a road of needing to please him in anyway he can. Knowing Robert loves hunting, he took the opportunity to try and show Robert what he had 'hunted' (albeit very cruelly) and Robert responds with more abuse. That's just my SUBJECTIVE perception of it. Banger video, king
Personally I have zero sympathy for Joffrey, like, at all. He deserved much worse.
Dude Brienne's fight with Biter was the one thing that seriously f***** me up in the books
I always forget just how descriptive some books can possibly become. There's so much fucking detail it's beautiful! Maybe I need to start reading again.
3 things that disturbed me the most from the books:
1. Varys describing how he was castrated (which I guess was in the show, too, but the book’s scene was much more convincing )
2. The book’s description of Unsullied training. At the beginning of their training, they are given a puppy and at the end they have to strangle it to death to show they have no more compassion left. Also, they have to murder a baby in front of its mother as part of their training.
3. The fact that Rhaegar and Elia Martell’s child wasn’t murdered by the Mountain, rather their child was switched out with a random child from flea bottom by Varys. The actual Targaryen boy is still alive, but some random baby from Flea Bottom was slaughtered in his place. It’s just very nihilistic.
Number three most likely didn’t happen. There are several hints that Aegon in ADWD is a fake. Hell, for Varys to be able to pull off such a thing, he would have to somehow know that the Mountain would crush his head to make him unrecognisable.
Mummer's Dragon M8.
Mercifully Aegon really did have his head smashed in by the mountain, so you don't need to feel so ba... wait what?
2 is based off real life Nazi's (except for the babies has far as I know). Gestapo agents were given a German shepherd puppy that they had to strangle at the end of their training.
@@MrBrranch Honestly it isnt that bad. I imagine it to be quite useful for the troops to have them disheartened. Of course it cruel but it isnt the world going down.
While I could see wanting to make it less gruesome, I also think they kept Tyrion to just getting a huge scar on his face instead of losing most of his nose because the cost of constantly making a character as important as Tyrion look like he lost most of his nose would really eat into the budget since most of that would have to use computers to take away his nose. That is why Snow was left out of the Battle of the Bastards since they already spent a lot of money to put a giant into the battle or why Ghost was absent from Season 7 since they had put way more focus in the dragons than they usually did. Think of how much Tyrion has been in the show, they would have to constantly make sure that he looked like most of his nose was gone. So it was most likely more cost efficient to just have Peter Dinklage sit in a make up chair and make a scar for him on his face. Though I did like Cersei making a snide comment to Tyrion about hearing a rumor that he lost his nose in the show.
Show should've been animated.
Grrm has a sick imagination
Unless it's from experience, you never know...
Well the funny thing is he didn't have to make any of this stuff up, all he had to do was open a history book.
Save us, R'hllor; for the books are dark and full of terrors.
"That doesn't excuse what he did".
Totally does.
Good compilation but surprised you didn't mention some of the darker dragon related scenes as well, like when the "cute" baby dragons began eating the severed heads of the other leaders of his mercenary band that Dario brought to Dany. I expect that in the future books we will see the adult dragons eating a lot of enemy soldiers while on campaign described in vivid detail as they also do in Fire and Blood.
that isnt dark...
You got me ready to read all these books again for the hundredth time I think I do it every year
Some of these scenes should have been included into the show.
@unknowning unknown that was a bit harsh
One thing this show did right was illustrate the brutality humans performed on one another during Medieval times.
Makes you realize how we have it easy today with lethal injections or firing squads.
They also downplayed Gregor violent streak as well as Joffery. In the books he had been married twice before & apparently killed both of them or they disappeared, as well as his & Sandor's sister who Sandor barely remembered. And I think Gregor was to be married again too & he's supposed to be a knight & cannot marry.
During war of five kings dude was a butcher.he even had women chained up at harrenhal and raped daily by his men.Dude is way worse in the books
#8 with Vargo, Jaimie's original plans were even more cruel, he wanted to cut off every limb, cut off his nose, tongue, burn his flesh and cut out his eyes, but leave his ears alone so he could hear comments about how mangled he is.
The Storm of Swords Epilogue was just so cool
"Her eyes saw him, and they hated."
Some people don’t believe me when I tell them Ramsay is watered down in the show
He's Ramsay light compared to book version.
Where does he find these pictures from??? I love how real they look!
Love the list. I think some of these are more due to logistical issues, like having to put Peter Dinklage in 3 hours of extra make up every time he needs to shoot a scene to get his nose exactly right.
I remember after Mycah was killed by the Hound in the book, someone made minced meat out of his corpse and sent it back to his father, which he thought was pork meat.
One part of the book that always got me was the Gregor/Oberyn fight. Eventually, Gregor gets so mad that he starts randomly attacking members of the audience, including repeatedly hacking a little girl until she was an unrecognizable pile of bloody flesh.
Nathan J Martucci jesus how many little girls get murdered in the book?
What? I thought he only killed the stableboy by taking his brain clean off, i don't remember any little girls
@@Alex-ht5ci You are correct. Clegane likely causes the death of one innocent bystander (at first he loses his arm, then loses the top half of his head), but there is no interruption of the fight to beat a little girl to death like the original comment implied.
Edit: Clarified injury, corrected syntax.
Hunterfalke You would think that would cause some kind of penalty for him.
Instead of saying "in the book.." , maybe say "I heard that in the book..." . That way you only sound misinformed instead of outing yourself as being full of shit. The books are lengthy, but they aren't very difficult to get through. It's kind of pathetic to lie about reading such an accessible novel to make yourself seem smart.
You're extraordinary man!!!!
Berserk : hold my boat
Don't be a weeb
Omio Rahman name one dark thing since fantasia.
@@Drew_Thompson hiatus
@Grande Leonardo That's because berserk actually has a beautiful story to tell amongst all the darkness.
@Grande Leonardo I know but some scene are pretty brutal like Demon city, scenery, Troll rape, Guts rape, and religious cults guys torture methods.
Emergence has emotionally fucked me up harder than anything else because of just how tragic the story is as a whole.
Every scene was too dark in that last episode
I could see it fine, turn up the brightness on your TV
Ain't no party like a Donner party.
I just realized I think ColdHands fed Bran, Hodor, Jojen and Meera one of the members of the Nights Watch. Right after that scene of Summer eating one of the Crows, ColdHands brings in a “hog” or what he says is a hog. So strange that ppl who have been cannibals ha e described the taste of human meat as tasting like pork. It’s also very close in anatomy to humans.
Too dark litterally. 90% of game of thrones is a black screen lmao
You mean the entire Battle of Winterfell episode? It was so dark that we couldn't see anything
Oberyns death traumatized me to this day...
Me: why shouldn't I watch this before going to bed.
Me(after): WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME?!!!
Lady donella went crazy and “got a little hungry”?
Lololol
It’s just such a funny and dumb thing to say in the context of her situation.
It was a fuckin joke mate