Sandy Irvine & the Camera Were Discovered? Mark Synnott's Revealing Intel
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2022
- Information provided leads us to believe that Sandy Irvine and the camera had been discovered decades ago, and their whereabouts have been kept unknown, purposely or otherwise.
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Following is a conversation with professional climber, author and historian Mark Synnott, whose book THE THIRD POLE: MYSTERY OBSESSION AND DEATH ON MOUNT EVEREST has just been released in paperback edition.
The plot to the greatest mystery in all of mountaineering and possibly the most debated and discussed in current times just got thicker.
Mark Synnott's Salon article about the camera and Sandy Irvine:
www.salon.com/2022/04/08/the-...
The Happiness Quotient podcast episode of this in audio can be found here:
www.buzzsprout.com/268133/104...
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Thom's website:
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I’ve been rooting for Mallory and Irvine since my Dad told me about them when I was a little girl. I’m scared stiff of heights but it makes my admiration for these chaps soar. The cloths that anyone else would wear to walk in the Lake District they were going up blooming Everest in. I really, really hope they did it. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
So true, they were endeavoring to do things that make one shudder. Incredible individuals who for all time will inspire others to push their boundaries.... Cheers and thank you!
Mallory did, a snow bridge maid it possible. Sadly ,he forgot the flares. The first since The Younger Dryas Flood, and as writing didn't exist back then, the rest do NOT count. Just Mallory does. But, it'll be shown in a few more years.
Well said and me to!!
@@snowcreek7156 Your father was a man after my own heart, GM had a picture of his wife and he said he would leave it on the top of Everest and when they found his body they went through the papers he had and there was no photo of his beloved wife amongst them. Could that be because he left it on the summit? I think so. My other heroes are Ernest Shackleton and Bobby Charlton, eclectic mix I know, but they are all really good men in my world. At school there was only ever Captain Scot, no mention of ES, why?
@@snowcreek7156 thank you!
My interest in this story started more than 60 years as my Dad was a mad keen Everest story teller. The 1953 summit was one year before I was born but Dad really focused on Mallory and Irvine and I've read everything I could about them. I cried when Mallory's body was found and the photos of him lying in his wool sweater was heart rending. If the story about Sandy being found is true I hope that those who know come forward to shed some light. Thank you for all you've done to highlight their story. I would love to think that their loss was on their way down.
Thank you so much for sharing, and I love to hear that your dad was a storyteller of all things Everest...'mad keen'! I pray that your hopes about them are true, that they succeeded in reaching the top only to perish upon their descent.
@@EverestMystery I love adventures but I've never attempted summits despite Etna Volcano (3400). but there is a kind of desire inside me to go to everest . I've been in Nepal and watching it from far made me feel I wanted to try . who knows do you think I could try after some year of preparation ? I'm a video maker and I would love shooting a new documentary
your father was the best and because people like him many of our dream on making adventures
Statistically more people die descending from the summit. My Dad was also obsessed with all those guys plus the ones who went to the poles.
I have zero interest in climbing Everest, but I CARE. I have ALWAYS believed that Mallory and Irvine made it to the top first, since Mallory didn’t have the photo of his wife on him anymore. I Still do 😎
Yes, that is a shared belief....love it. Cheers
Same here. I have no doubt they made it up there
I completely agree 👍
It's possible one or both made it to the top. But there's a possible explanation as to why the photograph was not in Mallory's possession when they found him.
He didn't die immediately from the fall. It's conceivable that as he Lay Dying he was looking at the picture of his wife. The wind carried the picture away
@@D1it4FN That'd be a plausible scenario for a mild fall, but he had trauma to the head i think i read that his ice pick axe made blow to his head in the fall. He would have lost consciousness on impact. Therefore his wife's picture would have been taken out long before that moment or long after by someone else.
1953 during our Queens coronation hamlets party someone said that Mount Everest had been climbed, my granddad replied, "No, it was climbed in 1924 by two lads wearing hobnailed pit boots". Well, I have never been a climber but I have always held an interest in Mount Everest and those old time climbers wearing old keepers tweed suits, they were "Men of Men". So over the years I have followed the stories especially when George Mallory's remains were found, I want to believe that he and Sandy were the first to summit Everest, but with respect to each and every other climber who has climd or attempted to climb the mountain, indeed with respect too to those who gave their lives attempting to reach the summit, with best regards to all that keep us up to date on that mountain.
What a wonderful story and cool way to be tied forever into the lore of these adventures and explorations. Yes, upon the queen's coronation (I'm not sure if the date was exact) 29 May 1953, news reached England of Hillary and Tenzing's success. That your dad held dear to the Mallory and Irvine story is beautiful. Their names and legacy lives! Many thanks for taking the time to share with us.
@@EverestMystery Hi Tom, your filming of the discovery of George Mallory is my all time favourite, I still have the news paper cuttings I saved when the discovery of George & Sandy was put to print. Regarding the date in 1953, we held our Hamlets celebrations and grandad's story was held at a later date than our village one, so, yes it would have been after the Queens coronation.
Messner claimed they couldn’t have managed the final bit, cause of having ‘hobnailed boots’ as I recall. But one can look at the published photos of Mallory’s skeletal feet in his boots. And those boots dont look hobnailed to me. They have significantly angled deep rubber grips at their base. They would hold in snow. Presumably pre-crampon style. Mallory could certainly have climbed those steps in those boots, as he was a gifted climber. And I believe (without having been there) that they could also have sufficed for the final ridge. I tend to think they made it. Regards
Read about Mallory and Irvine in my school days in 90's and developed massive interest in the entire thing. It was forgotten for a decade. Looking at this channel reopened that book of memories and restarted the interests and need to know of their achievement. Thanks for all these data driven videos.
It's a pleasure having you here, thank you for taking the time to comment! And, Welcome!
I’ve never even actually seen a mountain in my life but this story has intrigued me since I was a child and I clicked on this before I could even read the title. Amazing info that I’ve never herd and I thought I’d herd it all about Everest from what you can access anyways so this was an absolute treat, thanks for sharing.
This is a great comment thank you for watching. I hope you enjoy some of the other content here :)
From a non climber who has seen Everest from the base and also from a 6000m distant vantage point and the window of aircraft, can assure you it is something to see, even if only once.
I appreciate you fellas. You’re right this is important history and does need to be gotten to the bottom of. I feel what you’re saying on adding importance to your days, and enjoyed this perspective in a large way. Thank you for doing this with your day
Thank you Bryan, much appreciated. I'm glad you stopped by and really appreciate your comment.
It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent:
1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents
2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.
Mallory & Irvine really deserve a special accolade this year, being the 100th anniversary of the fateful climb The story is both inspiring and fascinating and deserves a much wider audience
Excellent work to solve the mystery. I agree that to actually rediscover the camera would be a profound revelation and heck of a closing chapter.
Absolutely, even if the film is completely destroyed, can you imagine seeing THEE camera? More than I can imagine....
This discovery, if confirmed in some way, could turn mistery into eternal myth. I've been following this topic since '99, when I read about Mallory's body discovery. I always hoped that they have been made it to the top, after all. Hearing Mark's assessment makes me a little bit sad, because the Camera discovery would have been so thrilling, but at the same time I'm happy, because the mystery will last probably forever, and people will continue to hope that those two brave men made it to the top.
Great insight that I agree with on all accounts. Being the thorough researcher that he is, Mark will find a way to have a look at the camera (wherever it may be), and take this information and bring it to fact. Definitely, the one thing I've said since the beginning (for me, at least, 1999) that I hope the mystery is never solved. Eternal myths stoke the human soul with inspiration and wonder. Thank you for watching!
@@EverestMystery Anyway, there's a lot of puzzle pieces that needs to be put in place.What kind of camera is the one in the chinese museum? If it's a VPK something in the "borrowed camera theory" does not seem to fit well with reality, otherwise if it's any different kind of camera it becomes very interesting.If they said that someone buried the corpse with rocks, I'd rather think about someone else who could deliberately make a huge effort at 8200m to remove rocks and rolld own Irvine, probably the body is still there, but unseen by many because buried under rocks.That's why nobody have ever seen it yet since that year.Another topic should be the awareness of chinese about the '24 attempt: did they know at that time enough infos about that? Or they just found an "english dead" and they took the camera just for curiosity, knowing better all the story behind during the following decades?
Time will tell
@@davebass-76 Great comment and great points. Hopefully, time will tell! The search continues... Thank you!
@@EverestMystery
Whilst I do love the concept of eternal mystery, I also hope for you to discover the missing pieces of the puzzle. You and your team have been instrumental in reviving the whole debate - and since 1999 there have been more questions unanswered than ever! Finding Irvine has been on the minds of many of us - his whereabouts has been THE burning question ever since.. And your information has... Well, I would say it has 'more promise' than anything else has in 23 years. Best wishes on your journey! : )
It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent:
1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents
2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.
This is fascinating! The first ever documentary I ever watched about Everest was the story of Mallory & Irvine & it's stuck in my head all of these years. I really really want them to be the first guys to have reached the summit. This camera HAS to be found
Thank you for watching!
Wonderful to see that someone is still trying to solve this mystery! I've got two books - 'Ghosts of Everest' by Hemmleb, Johnson and Simonson and 'Detectives on Everest' by Hemmleb and Simonson. It does seem likely that Mallory and Irvine made the summit; this doesn't detract from Tensing and Hillary's achievement as they ascended from the south side. I'm hopeful this mystery can be solved, after all the last Imperial Russian family's remains were found after 70 years, and King Richard III's remains were found after nearly 500 years! I'm definitely going to get 'The Third Pole', and please keep us up to date with any news!!
Jane, thank you. You have some good reading material there! I appreciate your comments and hope you'll check in with me after you read them all, especially The Third Pole. Cheers!
I have been watching and waiting for news about Sandy Irvine. Watched many documentaries on Mallory and Irvine. Just watched the video on the big group that went up and searched for Irvine. They ended up rescuing climbers and ran out of time. This is interesting information about possible Irvine find. Think he's right about the body. Too bad the Chinese didn't tell everyone about the discovery when it happened. I've felt that Mallory and Irvine did summit Everest. The last spot they were seen was so close to the summit. I'm still amazed at back then they didn't have the equipment and resources like we do not. Tough mountain climbers! Amazing
Mallory and Irvine accomplished something remarkable. It is tragic that they were unable to reach their high camp upon their descent. I appreciate that you stopped by. You comment is spot on. Thank you!
Maybe of relevance: most deaths are not going up, but coming down (er ... trying to come back down). So if you go with probabilities based on past data points, they both died on the way down.
These old adventurers had something that today is a mirage to see. Just think about Shackleton in 1915
I thought at least one early Chinese group claim to have seen a body on the North approach and nobody confirmed it, as nobody mentioned it again?
But it's some time since I read anything in M&I.
@@EverestMystery Fascinating. I'm sure you've heard that Messner is adamant that given the techniques and equipment of the day, summiting would simply have been impossible for M&I. I think his opinion carries considerable weight given his familiarity with Everest and his own habit of doing the seemingly impossible. Curious what other Everest alumni think.
So interesting. This is important historical news, and much like Mr. Synnott, it kind of baffles me that it didn’t get the exposure I think it deserves. Thank you for helping bring this story to light.
You're welcome, I'm glad you found the video and happy to hear from you. Cheers
Annoying that if Chinese found body of Irvine and retrieved his camera, that they would keep this discovery to themselves.
The camera is worth millions now. So are the pictures.
The film was blanc. So nobody had made pictures with it.
If there was anything retrievable on it.
It might be impossible to verify it is the same camera if there are others like it circulating. Who knows, they could acquire another and try to sell it to you. Who knows?
The film should have been sent to NASA or the FBI. Nitrate film is very fragile and brittle, especially after a long time.
@@marguskiis7711 I thought the Chinese said nothing was on it,but maybe it was ruined developing and looked blank after trying??
I am obsessed with this story. I’m the least adventurous or mountaineer type of person🤦🏻♀️but still obsessed as a commoner lol. Thank you for this!!!!!
Glad you enjoy it! Yes, the armchair mountaineers are the ones truly keeping this alive. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Stay tuned for more soon....
It’s important and fascinating to me because it’s history? I’m glad the mystery has been solved. Thank you Mark!
Ah but it endures :) did they make it to the summit? We may never know. Thank you for watching!
Hello, thank you for posting this! I’m enthralled and from the looks of it, many people are invested or at the very least, fascinated:) Great Netflix animated film, “Summit of the Gods,” lead me to your post. I gather the film is completely fictional but was still quite an homage to the spirit of Everest. I am looking forward to more stories from the mountain. Keep climbing! ❤
It's wonderful having you here. Thank you for taking the time to let us know your thoughts. I'm truly grateful :)
It is always entertaining to hear Mark speak.
He certainly has a gift.... Thank you for watching!
Awesome work by Thom and Mark. This is huge.
Thank you Alex, for sure! Mark is as surprised as I am that more entities didn't reach out to him for more information and further intel. Let this be the first!
@@EverestMystery I think there may be a surge in interest coming up. Maybe a follow up book, doco etc??
@@alexk2652 Perhaps.... Thanks dude!
Mallory and Irvine were the true pioneers of Everest in an age of grace and genuine altruistic spirit. I love reading letters that were written at that time, the elegance and insight of that prose truly exemplifies the amazing spirit of those humans.
Totally agree....things were different then. I do wish they'd returned to tell the tale, whether they made it or not. Thanks for watching the video!
I have the book.
Lost On Everest.
In Search Of Mallory and Irving.
These two climbers make my heart sing.
Everytime ❤
Hello Mr Pollard, thank you so much for yet another intriguing video. I’ve pretty much been climbing with Mark Synnott (figuratively speaking). since his first expedition with Alex Honnold several years ago - a fine chap that one.
Ok, so I’d like to first address the body of Sandy Irvine. I too (painfully) am starting to accept that the Chinese found, and still have, the VPK camera we have all been yearning to find. The problem I have, or rather my hope, is that Sandy comes home someday.
Not that any climber should remain on that mountain, but I feel that from a historical & emotional perspective, Mallory & Irvine should have proper, stately & respectful, burials - just my opinion.
At minimum, I would hope for Irvine to be identified back in to existence, so to speak, so that some visceral closure can be felt - for his family, those connected to his spirit, as well as all of us who keep his legacy alive (and Mallory’s).
I’d also like to add one opinion that has bugged me for years. I have heard from several prominent climbers that it is unlikely that Mallory could have surmounted the 2nd step. In my humble opinion I think Mallory, if challenged, he would/could climb circles around more than half of them.
The generation of men that he stemmed from, the WWI era, were nothing short of fearless, ball-filled & busting dudes who could thrive on pain. I actually wouldn’t have put it past him to have climbed it with gloves off - risking it all, to have it all. The man was at the Somme for god sakes. So, with all due respect, the 2nd step? Hold my beer.
At any rate, I just want to take a moment to say THANK YOU to guys like yourself, Andy Politz, Jake Norton (love that dude so much!), Eric Simonson, Jochem Hoemleb, Mark Synnott, and all those sleuths out there who fight to keep M & I’s memory in today’s consciousness.
Peace out brother! Cheers
Mike, thank you so much for the comment.....I agree with you on all counts. I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts, and really glad that you added to the thread of those believing the ridge could have been possible. Cheers and thanks again!
Very important to keep this in the news. Great interview by the way!
Thanks so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely fascinating piece of the puzzle….I’ve been waiting yrs for some discovery, some little fragment, to click into place. We will likely never ever know the answer to the mystery, but what a journey. Some questions, at least, can be lain to rest. Thank you!
I appreciate that you stopped by and took the time to share your thoughts. Thank you!
This was great thank you. I was a little underwhelmed with the Nat Geo documentary on Disney+, so it's great to hear Mark go into more detail with his research and what he has found. It really would be something if he was able to track down the camera at a museum. After decades of searching for it to be in plain sight the whole time would be quite something. I'm still hoping someone will discover Sandy's body however. I think that discovery is the closure thats really needed to remove some of the mystery to his story.
I agree with you. Thank you for watching. I'll hope to give a platform for others to share their research on this topic, in hopes that occasionally some will check out other offerings on this channel and perhaps watch the interviews with the journalists from Ukraine, for instance. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
I will say that the Dizknee production did a good job of showing the actual search that Mark did. If you were to only watch Renan’s film you would think that Mark walked ten feet from the fixed lines then turned back. Otherwise yeah, like 90% of Nat Geo’s films are so surface level they are best used as middle school tv day fodder. It’s not the fault of the climbers that Nat Geo edits their films to death and then refuse to release the extra footage/drone footage, or even discuss what wasn’t shown in the final edit.
@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 absolutely, the films can only show much. The deep dive is Mark's book (which I unfortunately make nothing from promoting :) )
@@EverestMystery Greetings from VT. I just happened upon this and what you and Mark have done here is much appreciated. On consideration it's not surprising that the media wouldn't pick this up. The last thing they are going to do is appreciate a historic mystery for what it is. If you and Mark were dishonest about it and said that you had 'solved the mystery at last', I'm sure you could have gotten plenty of play. That's the way of things in that exquisitely superficial world. I will try to check in to THQ in the future- thank you both. Tashi deleg- jh
@@jamesharvey8835 greetings from New Hampshire! Thank you! For sure, the mystery is far from solved. I have more coming soon to satiate those interested in this fascinating story.
You are very gracious in this comments section, always willing to hear varying/differing ideas and opinions.
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm definitely not the final authority of this topic. There are many other people who grasp the details and facts in ways that, frankly, I don't have the wherewithal to ingest. Although I've personally had a part in some of the events, I have a hard time keeping up with all the information. Therefore, I just ask the experts and let them do the talking! Thank you for watching!
Having the specific details of the camera would make a big difference, even without the film being developed. It would help identify the year/time period of the climbers that used it.
For sure, check the vid I posted recently about the camera(s), and another soon about the viability of developing the film
It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent:
1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents
2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.
@@josm1481 that's the entire point of the video, that her story was changed.
@@EverestMystery the point you're missing is there is it's only hearsay she changed her story. Her only recorded story says they didn't find a camera.
@@EverestMystery so, if I told you a Greek diplomat in the 80's told me he met a taverna owner in Santorini that said he was Jim Morrison. Got no evidence but trust me. You went and interviewed the taverna owner who tells you he isn't.
You better believe me because I've claimed it was from a diplomat and what reason would he have to lie to me?
At the height and distance that Mallory and Irving were from the summit was amazing, jaw dropping in fact. They were strong willed, strong minded, intelligent and just doggedly persistent. Whether the fall occurs before or after the summit, without any proof of the unknown from any camera, I choose to give credit where credit is due and say they made it.
Thank you both for this video and your rigorous efforts at giving us the mountain’s truths.
Thank you! I have always maintained (I'm not alone in this) that regardless of the outcome, their's should go down as one of the great mountaineering feats in history. Thanks for watching!
I agree with you.
@@bobmcrae5751 when one goes to great lengths to accomplish something small or extreme they do deserve credit. Unlike such ordinary trolls 🧌 with their unimaginative remarks in the familiar comment section.
Apparently two facts might back their success anyway:
Mallory did not have his wife's photo in his pocket (he said he would leave it on the summit). Ok this might have been dislodged during his violent fall.
Mallory's goggles were in his pocket, why would they be there unless he was decending at a later/darker time of the day?
Circumstantial but tantalising ☺
I think they did it.
@@fayeyother7336 So if people don't agree with you, you call them names. Classless and clueless.
I wasn’t expecting such a validating and uplifting message in the first 3 minutes on attaching meaning to life despite it being so easy to throw your hands up and say “screw it!” Thank you!
LIfe is full of goodness...granted, there is darkness out there. However, it's merely a matter of choice to go with the former! Super stoked you enjoyed this. Thank you my friend!
@@EverestMystery absolutely! And thank YOU for this wonderful update to this mystery
The National Geographical Society's expert thinks the film that the Chinese got from Irvine remained in the camera. I read about this in Wade Davis book Into The Silence. I'm sure you've read it but thank you so much for updating the world on the subject. Now we know that the film didn't develop then the only other proof of how far Mallory and Irvine got up the mountain is the picture of Mallorys wife that he promised to leave on the summit if he reached it. Many experts doubt this photograph could have survived the weather on the summit but who knows. If he waterproofed it and secured it it could have survived. It wasn't found on his body so this is the next piece of the jigsaw. Some have suggested that Mallory was a forgetful chap and it is possible that he genuinely failed to remember to bring thr photograph up the final stage of the mountain. I think that's nonsense as he wrote to his wife at every opportunity and explained vividly in mountaineering terms what he was up to and missed his family terribly. I think the photograph is up there somewhere..it may have fallen out of his pocket when he fell to his death but I don't think that's likely either as his goggles were found in his pocket. Mallory certainly was a unique mountaineer who astonished people with his ability to climb the seemingly impossible but in reality those skills sound secondary once your in the death zone. In previous expeditions Mallory turned back if the risks outweighed the rewards. Thus the man was not a risk taker. The only thing that points to the opposite is that he was 37 years old? This was going to be his last attempt on the mountain and he had a very robust climbing companion in Irvine. Either way the pair of them died for something they loved and conquer the summit or not they remain in my mind everything the human spirit should aspire to. Thank you for following up this mystery that many have allowed to slip into the mists of time and keep looking into it. So many people climb Everest today that the photograph may yet turn up. Tragic that their deaths were I like to think that they died having achieved what they set out to do. I hope the photo confirms this.
Michael, thanks so much for taking the time to write...I really appreciate it. You are a true Mystery of Mallory & Irvine person, with an understanding of the nuances of it all. Hopefully, there is more on the channel here for you to dive into for more intel on the overall story. Cheers my friend and thanks again!
I doubt that the photo will show up. The wind will have taken it away at the summit; but the fact that it wasn’t on him makes his complete ascent quite probable.
nice input micheal. i absolutely think they made it too. the damn chinese found sandy the camera and all his belongings and took them back home with them they kept it a secret to see if they can develop the film. now if they did successfully develop it and found that their was summit pictures they did not destroy it but stored and hid it somewhere in china. now if when they developed it and seen that they didn’t make the summit they would of revealed to the world like “hey look mallory and sandy didn’t make it using the northside of the mountain but we did”. i will stand on this until this mystery is solved i hope one day it is. M & I made it.
Wait how do “we know the film didn’t develop? If that film had developed with pics of a summit it seems that’s the best thing to say to keep the cover up going. ESP bc it gives plausible deny ability to people being asked to keep their mouth shut bc now it’s ‘no big deal’ and Lying about it only hides a mistake by your nation and not a total coverup..
My 3rd and final visit to Solo Khumbu and Everest was back in 1999. From what's said here,it sounds like, if the camera was found, it's film was ruined either by time and exposure to the cold or by those who attempted to develop the film. Would have been nice to have had photographic proof of Mallory and Irvine's summit, if they made it, but it looks like it's going to have to remain a mystery.
Yes, that might be the case.... 1999 was an incredible year to visit on the Nepal side. I have an interview coming out soon about the developing of the film. Cheers and thank you!
@@EverestMystery i expect that modern techniques would obtain some more data off the films. I wonder if the film will be released for more study.
I wouldnt put it past the CCP to have given them orders to toss the body off the Mountain so no one could ever prove he summitted. They want to be the first, period.
Summit rocks in the pocket. That would do.
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
The interview left me with lots of questions: 1) Did the Chinese photograph the body? 2) Did the Chinese examine the body for possessions/artifacts? Could Irvine have had more than 1 roll of film? I heard you say that the Chinese claimed to have buried the boy - presumably that would help preserve the location. Did the Chinese map the location of the body? Is is possible to construct GPS coordinates from a Chinese map? Thank yu for the story. Just maybe there is still evidence of about their (Mallory & Irvine) ascent on the mountain with the body.
They definitely didn't do it out of respect. They most likely did it to maintain the claim that their 1960 expedition was the first to summit via the North Face.
However:
Mallory and Irvine didn't do it with a fucking ladder.
Some say they only found a body and a tent (so others may have found it before and items may have been taken), others say the camera currently resides in a Chinese mountaineering museum, but there was no film in it.
In either case we'll never know.
Would not be surprised
How are they gonna bury a body in a frozen tundra of rock, in the death zone, on an official summit. Yeah right. Lies from the Chinese, they are professional liars.
@@MrBassOutdoors all they have to do is move the body away from commonly searched areas. nobody's wandering far from the established routes that far up.
Mark seems to be taking the positive out of this, in that this will perpetuate the myth and the possibility that they summitted first. I can't help but feel a certain sadness, and that it's a bit of a gut punch that we'll never know for certain now. Thanks to you both for all your work on this most intriguing of mysteries!
Yes, I think Mark and many of those who have done the deep dive on the mystery feel that one can never count M&I out from making the summit....but, that it becomes clear that we may never know, thus echoing your sentiments. Thank you for watching!
Without returning back alive the summit is pointless anyway.
@@marguskiis7711 If they did make it to the top and died on the way down it doesn’t take away that they were the first on top.
@@raymondcava4669 no proof anyway
If we are going to theorize, I wouldn't count on it as if they were the first ever to do it either if they did it. We don't know if some long lost sherpa or someone else did before them. Without evidence maybe even the yeti did it first. The point is, without evidence it doesn't matter. They tried and they went far. That's all that matters. And to go as far as they did at the time they did is pretty much a crazy feat. That in itself is enough. With that said, the first ones to make it all the way up and down (how it counts) in recent history that we know of are Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay. @@raymondcava4669
Fantastic video, thank you for posting. Totally think the camera is gone from the mountain unfortunately, perhaps it being a mystery will make them never forgotten. I'm not a mountaineer but have been obsessed with this for years and I honestly think they made the summit. Maybe because I'm British lol
Yes! I think that most of us want to place them on the summit. I pray we can someday find conclusive evidence that would put them there... Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more, very soon!
My only thing with the Chinese-discovered-Sandy story is that it relies exclusively on eyewitness testimony (unless the camera is found, which would definitely change things), which is exceedingly unreliable. I wouldn't say those Chinese climbers lied, but there are so many years, so much 'static' (translation issues, memory issues at altitude, CCP suppression) between us and the eyewitnesses, that I don't think their story should be given the stamp of saying 'it's no longer worth it to look for Sandy' because they might of buried him 49-76 years ago, or threw him off the face.
I didn't quite follow, but has Mark interviewed the climbers involved with finding Sandy's remains (it seems like there were multiple climbers who found him, possibly in 1960 & 1975)? I think that would be the only way of giving the Chinese story credence, to really sit down and compare their stories and their testimony from the time (or 10 years after they discovered him, which seems to be when they gave most of their evidence).
Simply as an anecdote, I recently watched a Dive Talk interview with Mike Young (an underwater cave explorer), who reacted to MrBallen's video on Mike's near-fatal dive, where he attempted to save his frantic and panicked friend, but his friend died. Basically all the details were wrong, simply because the reporting was off and MrBallen naturally, relied on online sources for his info. So, no matter how many times a story has been retold, it doesn't mean it's reliable and even if you do get to interview the eyewitnesses, that testimony is also unreliable! Just food for thought.
I’m not a fan of what’s happening at Everest with all these under skilled people that think they can conquer the magnificent beauty. But as far as Mallory and Irvine I have been fascinated from when I heard about them because that was a real time of journey and real men taking on Everest raw.
I completely agree with you. Times have sure changed! Glad you’re here ~ thank you!
This is HUGE! Why hasn't it been all over the BBC? Politics? Even non climbers know the story of Mallory and Irvine and the search for that camera. There were even instructions on how to treat and develop the film by the manufacturers. What a loss. You have a new subscriber.
Thank you! Great to have you here. You might enjoy this conversation about whether the film could be developed if we found it: czcams.com/video/7aUOsdlHFxM/video.html
I care too and bow in deep appreciation to you both for living your passion. 💙🙏💙
I’m not a mountaineer, but I’ve been fascinated by Everest and all of Her stories for years. I can’t believe this didn’t make a bigger wave in the news!!
Thank you Claire for watching!
I believe the reason it did not is an ominous sign of the power china is exercising over western medias (which we know are a homongenous monopoly run by financial parasites who made their fortune ripping off western middle class by forcing corporation to outsource to China and these thugs are still very much invested in China). So it would explain the conflict of interest and the reason the media gagged that news.
Thank you for posting this video. Obviously, you have pursued this matter to the literal ends of the Earth. Thank you for your diligence.
Sounds like the definitive word is, we will never know.
Except for the fact of the picture missing from Mallory's intact wallet, which picture he had promised to place on the summit.
With the fact of the missing picture, I give Mallory and Irvine the benefit of the doubt: Yes, they made the summit.
Subscribed.
Many thanks! Yes, you nailed it: with the picture missing, they get the benefit of the doubt. Cheers!
@@EverestMystery A possible scenario is that Mallory realized he was dying without summiting, and removed the photo from his wallet to view in his last moments. (Subsequently it could easily have been blown away.)
@@kilroy1964 so, so true....I have seen this thought before and honestly feel that it's something to consider! Thank you!
Just incredible! Finally,
everything comes around full circle.
I've got a great interview coming out in the next day or so....more light on the subject. Stay tuned. Thanks for dropping by!
@@EverestMystery am hanging out for this one. Suspense is killing me.
Just finished Mark’s book today. Great story!
Super glad you enjoyed it! You went for the deep dive into the topic....pretty cool story. Thanks for reaching out!
It is my feeling that the content of this interview will be appreciated more and more as time goes on.
Thank you!
Anthony, I appreciate that....and, indeed....there are many who are quick to doubt. Within the words spoken are tidbits of information that will move this forward, with more and more light being shined on what he's saying. Thank you!
@@EverestMystery Perfectly conveyed Thom. Respect to you and Mark sir.
@@revmo37 in a way puting all this together has similarities to those who first charted paths up Everest. With every piece of information akin to reaching the summit of a peak.
I guess in a way it's fitting that the world monument that is Mt Everest has a mystery that dates back almost 100 years. It's almost poetic.
That's said, I am an outsider looking in.
@@anthonyhanner1755 Me too Anthony. But I'm still very interested, historically. Thanks man
Thanks for your information and explanation of what you think may have happened up there. I've always been fascinated by their story.
Thank you for posting this. I have been very interested in this since I saw the documentary about it. Now I watch mountain climbing videos since I will never be able to do that now.
I'm glad you found this channel, thank you for being here! I welcome you to check out some of the other video on this channel and please let me know what you think!
@@EverestMystery I have started. Got a bunch up. So far so good. :)
I’m always interested in anything Everest. Thank you for your work.
My pleasure! Thank you for being here!
Knowing the history of Mallory and Irving, this video is pure delight.
Since more climbers die on the descent than the ascent, statistically there is a good chance they
summited. I hope so.
We shall never know for sure but one could speculate that they reached the top. It would be reasonable to surmise that they were exhausted, given the rigours of the altitude, by the ascent and, on the descent, Irvine perished first and Mallory made it a bit further down before he too succumbed. As you point out, statistically, they are more likely to have perished on the descent so I too hope they summited.
Irvine
I hope so, as well. Thank you for watching!
Mr. Pollard
Thank you for responding to my comment about my posts being deleted . For the record I was not the person who said that Mallory was trampled on by crampons that was definitely not me.
If you wish to find the thread the OP was Charles M who posted:
"When the discovery was made public I remember reading an article about it. The finding of Edmund Hillary's clothes and what was left of his body..."
Dan P. replied:
"That was Mallory then the Americans who found his remains piled rocks and scree on him in some kind of macabre burial thing. Pissed off a lot of people who would have liked to investigate the scene
and remains."
I was certainly not there but I strongly objected to this characterization.
He also said "they took a perfectly frozen and mummified body and compressed it to a flat mash under piles of rocks for religious valor."
I objected to this too. Most of my comments were deleted. I seem to be on a kind of Auto delete where I can't comment at all in that thread, so he got the last word in calling me a troll who spreads disinformation.
And he is still able to comment.
If you wish to look it up and find it have at it. I'm done.
Thank you for writing...I truly appreciate it. I am pretty sure that if someone makes a comment, they can personally go in and delete any replies to that comment. I recall an exchange like that....and definitely would have made a mistake to remove any of those comments. I've never really discussed what happened at the site of GLM, and add now that the fact we covered him with rocks was a request by the families of both M&I.... Granted, we were not professionals, and could have done better. However, given that GLM's body was frozen as solid as a rock, no amount of rocks would ever compress or mash it. This was a somber event in all our lives, not one of us wasn't shedding tears in full awareness at the importance of our respect.
I hope you'll stick around...but would understand whatever you decided to do. I've spoken often about the ruthlessness of the commenters, most of them with user names that protect their identity. Actually, if someone skewered me or my video and used their own name, I'd respect that. But, a guy named 22 Legged Sasquatch basically releases any semblance of consideration with a name that hides the identity (although I do like that name lol).
In the About section you can find my email address. Drop me a line. I'm happy to chat out of view.
Cheers and thank you for writing back,
-Thom
Have never been a mountaineer, in fact never even been on top of a mountain but have always been fascinated by them and particularly this story. I remember the discovery of Mallory in 99 and was blown away that he had been found and where he had been found! Can't believe that this part of the story didn't make any news!! What a shame the camera didn't reveal anything, or so they say!?
Do you think where they found Irvine throws any details at what might of happened? Maybe it was meant to be that it will forever be a mystery and if it has been proved they didn't make it would have ruined that.
It's a nice thought they did it and are part of the mountain and mystery forever.I
Thanks for your work and sharing this.
Utterly fascinating! I am and always have been fascinated by this story. If it’s true, and it certainly sounds like it is, that the body and camera were found all those years ago, then this is very disappointing indeed. How could the Chinese do this and not say a word about it? I try and lap up every bit of info about this story that I can find so thank you very much indeed for making this video. I’m waiting with baited breath to find out what happens next. If Mark does go to China and to the museum I can’t wait to hear about what he finds. Great video, please keep them coming. I’m a keen mountaineer myself having climbed many of the Scottish Munro’s. Regards from the UK.
Thank you for dropping by and for your awesome comment. I appreciate it. I agree on all accounts. If Mark does find out what museum it is, I for one hope to be with him when he goes. China is a big country, though! The videos will indeed keep coming.....I have interviews scheduled and will deliver soon. How cool you've done such climbing in Scotland. My ancestry is super strong from there...and I intend to visit someday. Cheers.
@@EverestMysterythanks for the very quick reply.
Even better that the both of you do the China trip, two pairs of eyes are better than one. I really hope it works out. That’s great news about the videos too.
You definitely should visit Scotland, especially since you have ancestry there. It’s such a beautiful country, particularly the Highlands. I have climbed predominantly on the West Coast, Isle of Skye etc, it’s magical. My dad is Scottish so he introduced me to Scotland at a very young age. Imagine making a video about your trip to Scotland, that would be awesome! All the best.
What do you mean "how could the Chinese do that"??? Maybe, just maybe, they had no idea, or, if they did, a different perspective on the importance of, finding the body??? You can't automatically assume there was bad intent in their part!
@@anovemberstar
The Chinese climbers? Maybe not any intent on their part. The Chinese government? Yah, I could see possible intent on their part.
"How could the Chinese do this and not say a word about it?"
They were a hermit kingdom at the time and I doubt they wanted anyone poking at a story that could award the first ascent of the north face to westerners. I doubt this story will go further for a long time since they've basically closed the county again.
Its absolutely important ! How can you hear there story and not root for them ... I guess if you have to explain why we should care to folks than those folks will never get it ! Salute to you guys for going ALL OUT on this and I know there's a ton of us who do think it's important!
Thank you! Love the comment, I appreciate that you've taken the time to share your thoughts....
@@EverestMystery, I have no doubt that Mallory reached the summit. I have heard Conrad Anker say he feels the Hillary step would have been to technical for Mallory with 1924 equipment and such. Loved the book, just wondering if Michael Tracey has done a review of The Third Pole ?.......Thank you.
That is absolutely amazing and honestly yeah this is a big deal because we were unsure if they did hit the summit and that has a big deal because their names are not on there showing that they actually summitted the mountain.
This situation in this case is by far the biggest story of all and if it wasn't for them then how many people would have summited Everest.
I have been dying to hear if the camera was retrieved and I haven't finished the video but I was so sticking excited to finally hear about it like finally
Excellent report. I’m not surprised that the Chinese would do something like this. Sad that the film was likely destroyed. One thing I’ve wondered about is that if they did summit, which I think was very possible< wouldn’t one of them pocketed some summit rocks? If they could be relocated and checked to see if they had stones with them that matched the summit rocks that could prove their summit in even with out the film.
It's possible...having been the one to look in all of the front pockets, there were no stones there. But, that still leaves Sandy, as well as any pockets that might have been exposed to the wind and elements. There are so many little details that we can't quite fill in. Thank you for watching!
@@EverestMystery
That's a burning question I've wanted to know the answer to ever since I first saw the video of Mallory's discovery, but have always thought it too delicate to ask. So I'm indebted to you for the answer, and to 'Phil' for having asked it. It's just something I probably would have done myself, so it's not unreasonable to believe that either Irvine or Mallory might have done the same.
Thank you so much for sharing your POV and further information .. We can't ever know for certain without factual evidence, but I think that many who are interested in the subject have arrived at the same conclusions that you have, even if their opinions are based on far less knowledge & research - much less without having conducted physical searches as you have. This information is of vital importance to all who hold an interest in the subject, and for whatever reasons (mine is an historical perspective, btw) and it should not to be hidden from the world as this information has the potential to rewrite the history books! Nor should it be scoffed at purely to discredit yourself nor the validity of the information itself (Eg, the detractor in the commentary to whom you so kindly responded to -- nicely handled, btw!) Why those who claim to have discovered Irvine and his infamously missing camera would choose to cover up their findings is beyond me.. What purpose does it serve not to share such a discovery of such vital importance with the world?
But you ARE sharing it, and in doing so I hope that it finds fertile ground for discussion on a much broader scale and prompts our Eastern friends to divulge the camera's location and other important information about the discovery of its owner - and what they did with his earthly remains.
Thank you again : )
@@j.whiteoak6408 thank you for the reply, and a couple other thank yous in there, too. My opinion doesn't mean any more than the next person's. So, I'm sharing what I have and asking people like Jochen and Mark, etc., to share their information. I really don't know....but it's so damn interesting, how two people could walk right into their ending and have it fascinate people living 100 years later. That's something. Cheers!
@@EverestMystery
Indeed, Thom! I await further discovery with baited breath, and I am most certainly not alone. It seems that you have set your own targets, and I wish you every best wish for your journey... It won't be a simple one, but I'm more than willing to send more than just a few prayers in your direction - so that your devoted viewers and detractors alike (!!!) might also learn the truth of the matter in due course.
I truly admire a dog with a bone, and a man with point to prove!
Kindest regards,
J. WHITEOAK
Another point that the Chinese(CCP) are NOT our friends. But some people just have blinders on. Probably because they are collecting a paycheck from them. Disgusting!!
Kudos to yourself & all those truth seekers regarding this fascinating & mysterious historical event. I believe there's sufficient circumstantial evidence to support Mallory & Irvine making the summit alive & it's such a shame the Chinese didn't share this information sooner & even worse that the film didn't show confirmation that we all hoped to find. I can only hope that in time the Chinese will disclose all they know & return the camera to it's rightful owners. Some mysteries will always remain & the certainty of what happened with Mallory & Irvine will be one of them. Inspiring stuff!
I truly hope you are correct! Thank you for the kind and encouraging words.... Cheers!
Sense most die on the descent and seeing how close they were seen to the summit plus added his driven motivation and all the hard work he put into it I find it highly likely they did summit at least Mallory. This is very important and all the hard work put into it and the lives given to reach it plus the ones lost looking for Mallory body is just more reason y this is important and must be carried out. Thank u for ur devotion and great videos. Let's keep George Mallorys story alive.
Thank you for watching and thank you for sharing your thoughts! I'm glad you watched and hope to bring more on this someday as things unfold....
After reading several books on Mallory and Irvine...and especially "The Wildest Dream: The Biography of George Mallory", I am convinced that Mallory did make it to the top and he died on the way down. It is a known fact that the descent is harder than the climb
One way or the other, he was almost surely on the way down....however, did he make it to the summit first, is the question we would love to answer. Thank you for watching!
even to get to the slope was quite insane with the equipment at the time
Wow ..... amazing maybe one day we can know about the camera..... awesome work!!!!
Thank you!
Lots of us care and thank you for the hard work
Always! I enjoy bringing these to you.... Thank you
After seeing this video a few weeks ago and making a comment, I read Mark's book "The Third Pole" and saw his video. I've done further reading on the story. I've come to the conclusion that the Chinese discovery of a body that may or may not have been Sandy Irvine's, has had a negative impact on the search. Mallory's broken body was found tangled in his rope, far below the Chinese site, torn and severely injured after a long, violent, rolling tumble down the mountain. Likewise, if they ever find Irvine, I predict that his body will be in the same condition as Mallory's. After all I've read, the most likely scenario seems that one of them fell from the ridge---- where Irvine's ice axe was found---- and then pulled the other with him, in a horribly violent cartwheeling tumble down to their deaths. Mallory arrested himself and died. Somewhere the rope snapped and Irvine continued on. The Chinese body must have been someone else. Just an opinion but makes sense to me!
You very well could be correct! Mark's story is one scenario...albeit with a couple different anonymous people weighing separately with the same story. Hopefully, we will learn the truth someday. Thank you for watching!
That is crazy, I remember when he left the safety ropes, that was a pucker factor 10, and I can’t wait to read the book, just ordered it.
Haha, that is so awesome. I believe you'll enjoy the book....you'll learn so much more about the mystery. In 1999 when we went off rope, there were no ropes in the first place....it's a kind of 'one bad step and you die' kind of thing... Cheers! Oh, and let me know how the book goes....
I will Thom, Cheers Brother.
I have always wodered about this since I first heard about the history of this story. wow. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching! Much more on Mallory & Irvine to come in 2024
As an Oregon boy…now, 55…it started with a mountain, then books..old documentaries then the internet.
My fascination with this planet eventually leads you to the mountain.
Cannot say thank you for your efforts enough. Adulation and recognitions don’t always come..but I’ll tell you…your work, interest, time and monies…for this and your human curiosity…I say thank you again.
I’ll try to free up some headspace with your conclusions…however..I need to see this camera. Sigh.
I’ll never have the interest to climb but hope “GreenBoots” remains to remind others of the perils of life and the endeavors we choose to undertake.
We are invincibly fragile.
To all…live well.
Many thanks for your kind comments, it means a ton. Wishing you the best from New Hampshire
Years ago the Kodak company provided special instructions how to handle the camera so the film could have a chance to be developed. Most informed climbers would've been aware of that. It's a shame that the climbers who took the camera most likely ruined it.
You might enjoy this, from our 1999 expedition: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/everest/lost/search/camera.html
I doubt that information was available outside of the west at the time.
@@lhaviland8602knowing how important it was though wouldn’t have reached out to the maker to make sure you didn’t screw it up
Thom, I listened to this again because the first time I heard it, I was in complete and utter shock. I'm processing it now and I'm feeling sadness and anger. Sadness because it feels so final. It feels like a sibling you had been looking for who you'd never met and just when you were about to find them, you discover that they died 47 years prior and won't ever get to meet them this side of Heaven. Angry because SO many lives were put at risk to find Mallory and the camera, so much time, effort and money for nothing it seems. Maybe it wasn't for nothing, but as someone who has been on the front lines of this for over 20 years, how do YOU feel about all this? Are you upset with Tom Holzel for being wrong about something he was 100% certain about?
I'm sorry for all the sacrifices that YOU have made to try to solve this and yet, the piece of evidence that everyone has been looking for has been in China for 47 years! But if you wouldn't mind sharing, how have you been processing all of this, Thom?
Mike, I appreciate your thoughts on this. Personally, I feel nothing but gratitude for all the experiences I've had in searching. It has brought me so many wonderful friendships and experiences, bonds and relationships that will accompany me to my final day. Nothing was forced on me. I was the one who made the choices about it....I could have called Tom Holzel a mad scientist and laughed it off. But, I'm just this side of crazy myself and was intrigued. Mark Synnott and I visited Tom and we became intoxicated with the idea of another search (literally and metaphorically lol).
Truly, I feel nothing but gratitude. The steering wheel has always been in my hands. Even for those who have intended to harm me or discredit me, I just say thanks. Everything I experience is currency for maybe someday being a wise old man.
Thank you Mike, I appreciate you and your thoughts. Cheers.
Consider this further proof that the Chinese government ruins everything it touches. (Not that anyone should need any more such proof of course).
I'm glad it was found! I watched the documentary about this two days ago.
I don’t know this didn’t make HUGE news. My mind is blown that you figured this all out. I just stumbled across it with my Everest suggested videos, this needs to be front page news.
Thank you for stopping by! I'll have more on this and there are other videos you might enjoy.... Cheers!
All that being said, given that the “unknown man” really said the truth, we have to go a bit more into details. First, we must say that the story about Mallory borrowing Somervell’s VPK, was started by Hoyland many decades after the expedition. Also, Julie Summers reported that Irvine was using an unknown camera model (she actually wrote about a Rolleiflex but it is impossible since it wasn’t invented yet), that camera was able to use 70 sec exposure, something that the VPK couldn’t. So if the Chinese said that they found only a VPK camera on Irvine, they are lying.
Exceptional insight into the camera, thank you. Honestly, I'm not the one with the intel to report on the camera models. However, I've heard some conversation relating to this. I'll be speaking with Jochen Hemmleb soon and will indeed post the interview here. Thank you for watching and for your comments.
Great! I’ll look forward for the interview. Thank you for posting this very interesting video. Also I have to say that the one who found out all those details about the camera is Michael Tracy, who recently made video about it.
Everybody is lying or falling for rumors and Ankar desecrated Mallory's body.
This has turned into a middle school drama.
@@washburnb1 you're right about the middle school drama. Many children have come forth. My Norton Couloir video addresses that very thought.
@@EverestMystery Mallory and Irving had enough oxygen to make it both ways. The weather was not "a storm" and their climbing rate per thousand feet was very fast compared to some. Modern climbers are no faster.
The under pinnacle traverse was slower but safer than top of pinnacles and the photo of Malloroy's wife was not found, which he would have left on the summit. They made it and fell on way down and fell separately. Chinese did not know anything..Those down sloping slabs are hard class 4 and 5.1 and easy to fall.
Yup.They made it.
Wow. I didnt know this having watched and read quite a few things on it. Maybe its never meant to be all known what happened but theres always that element of wanting to know. Great work. Keep looking.
Glad you enjoyed it....I agree on your thoughts. Thank you
Mark saying theres no point in disturbing Irvine if hes not got the camera on him isn't true. Think of the clues Mallory gave us about what happened to them - the goggles, the documents, his injuries and location. Not to mention the potential to have summit rocks on him. Too much focus is given to the camera
Wow, wish those pictures had been able to be developed but that is quite a contribution to the story!!!
Can you imagine? How amazing to see any photos at all from that camera!
When the discovery went public, I remember reading an article about it. The finding of Edmond Hillery's clothes and, what was left of his body, was very well covered with a sense of congratulations to the men who climbed Mt. Everest to find this.
Hillary's clothes and body?
I think he means Mallory.
I think you’ve got your wires crossed a bit bud!
Thank you Charles, much appreciated....
That was Mallory. Then the American climbers who found his remains piled rocks and scree on him in some macabre burial thing. Pissed off a lot of people who would have liked to investigate the scene and remains.
Thank you for this, the camera wasn’t Somerville’s though was it? If the Chinese did find a body, it would be good if they let people know as people are risking their lives looking for someone who may not even be there. No matter what happened it shouldn’t be too much of an issue, if they let everyone know the model of the camera found they could put it to rest. I hope that if they did find it they could be convinced to let people know, if the film was developed and showed them on the summit, is that something they’d want to hide? I can’t help but wonder why they would want to cover this up?
You expect Chyna to actually give a f*** ?
@@donaldoehl7690 no, doesn’t change my opinion on whether I think it would be good or not.
What do you think??? They want to keep that victory to themselves. The Chinese would never forfeit that accolade!
I wouldn't trust the CCP on this one iota, I can well believe they'd keep it secret if indeed they did find it.
It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent:
1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents
2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.
I never heard this although I’m a frequent reader/ watcher of Everest climbs. Mallory & Irving that I somehow remember hearing about as a young person, were the men who sparked my interest. Also afraid of heights that would be the ultimate adventure. Never think that your input is insignificant. I feel like you’re keeping their names and adventures alive.
I appreciate that you took the time to watch this and really happy you shared your thoughts. I hope to keep moving this forward and keeping the dialogue positive and uplifting, as well as interesting. Thanks so much !
The British Diplomat story sounds a bit strange. Why would British diplomat would attend a mountaineering meeting? Not really business for a diplomat? Only reason I could think of it was a personal errand?
Also if the Diplomat wrote a "memo" then it should be archived and you could write a UK Freedom of Information Act request to see the information.
For sure, this being a 12 minute interview, there are a lot of stones yet to be turned over. Let's get on that memo! Thanks for watching....
Its exciting thanks for your passion and dedication! I believe there is some massive evidence that could be a strong indicator of their summit. What was the frame number of the camera? How many photos left? If there were few I would be convinced they made it
Even if the camera was recovered but the film was unusable we'll never know if they reached the summit.
The camera may have been damaged in the supposed fall and the film exposed. Also, how long can images remain on the film if it wasn't accidentally exposed?
I have an old 35mm camera that has had a monochromatic film in it for about 25 years. I think I'll get it developed and see what happens.
My interest in mountaineering was triggered in 1953 when the coronation of Queen Elizabeth took place and the news about the successful British attempt was announced just hours before. I'm British and was 12 at the time.
My own mountaineering activities have been very modest but I still participate as best I can now.
In the meantime I have collected many mountaineering books, old and new. Books about Everest attempts are interesting, especially the less organised ones.
The Maurice Wilson tale as told in a book called "I'll climb Mount Everest Alone", obviously not written by Wilson, is very tragic.
As a WW1 army officer he was seriously wounded, became a mystic, had little mountaineering experience, but bought a plane (which he didn't know how to fly) and flew to India. He intended to crash land on upper Everest and walk to the summit.
The story is well known and he gets full marks from me for sheer determination, obstinacy and courage. And I love eccentrics. The world would be a boring place without them.
I'm glad you brought up Maurice Wilson...I'm working on a video about him, an interview style....which will pay homage to him. Cheers and thank you for sharing your great story. I appreciate that you took the time to write. Thank you
@@EverestMystery
You must also be familiar with the Earl Denman Everest expedition in 1947 with just two Sherpas, one of them being none other than the great Tenzing Norgay. Another great story told in Denman's book "Alone to Everest", except he wasn't actually alone of course. At least he and the Sherpas survived.
LATER:
Today whilst moving books to enable me to do some painting and decorating I came across "I'll Climb Mount Everest Alone" and "Alone To Everest". I had thought that they were lost, given away, or sold at some point. A few nights of bedtime reading ahead of me.
Good Karma or what?
I remember Mallory's body being found. Recently read Jeffrey Archers book based on Mallory and it really sparked my interest.
I'm happy to have you here....there's a bunch more on the channel that might interest you. Thank you for commenting and for being here!
Its amazing that whether the camera is still on the mountain or has been in a Chinese Museum for 50 years...it is still equally out of reach in some respects.
I think you are right....it's like a ghost....
In '87 I met a man who told me he had seen the camera in the museum before the cultural revolution destroyed it. His father a guide, said that the photos had come out, but showed them summiting, or at least Irvine. His father said he had heard that the photos were destroyed as it would have proved they had done it so early and that was against the Parties Policies at the time. This is third person hearsay, Seeing the camera was told to me by my friend and by his father though. I really believe the camera and other things were found. I had no idea in '87 what "rocks" had to do with anything. Now I know. His father said that Irvine had had some rocks with him.
Somehow I forgot about this comment....wondering if you could reach out to me via email or start another comment so I could get more information. Darn interesting story!
Whilst not proving it from a legal standpoint, if the camera were found then it would presumably reveal whether they took any pictures, even if they could not be developed. That in itself would reinforce the theory because presumably they would have been saving the use of it until the summit, rather than taking pics on the way up. If the whole roll were used then that would certainly lead us to conclude they summitted.
Good take! Thank you.
While not conclusive, a clever little hypothesis indeed!
A great point not made before to my knowledge
Something does not add up in this story. If the body of Irvine was found 50 years after he died there, then surely it must have been in a very stable condition. It wasn’t just a matter of giving it a push and down it goes. It must have been frozen solid and attached to the ground like that of Mallory’s. If the Chinese covered his body with rocks, then it must still be there, however hard it is to spot.
Truth....yes, it would be frozen in place and would have required considerable effort to move it...
@@EverestMystery I don't see the logic of the theory they trundled it
over the edge. Seems more likely the body is still in place, perhaps under rocks.
It’s very interesting! Who wouldn’t be excited?!!❤
This was amazing! Thank you.
Couple of things that come to mind.. Can we Atleast confirm the camera model? Cuz that could corroborate that it was Irvine beyond any doubt. And secondly, If that's the case shouldn't we also be sparing a thought about giving closure to the Irvine family?
Cheers
Check my interview with Jochen Hemmleb about cameras....I also have more with Jochen coming up soon. Glad you watched, thank you!
Fantastic interview and revelations regarding an enduring mystery. With what Mark Synnott explained here, then it seems that the Irvine camera will simply never reveal the truth behind this mystery. It will be one of those DB Cooper, Zodiac, Body of Jimmy Hoffa, etc. cases that will continue to intrigue history enthusiasts.
I thought they solved the zodiac recently? It was a story a few months after they solved the second cipher.
I guess I was expecting this to be a lot different from what it is. Not to worry though. Thank you for the upload.
My apologies....I have fidgeted with the thumbnail to bring the content into close connection with what the thumbnail hints at. Hopefully, you enjoyed the video (and some of the other content on the channel). I appreciate the comment, thank you!
Nice discussion on Mallory & Irvine. Definitely salves the smoking gun!
Thank you Jimmy!
I dunno y i got addicted to this, so interesting how in 1924, a dude tried to climb Mt Everest and his body is still there preserved......this is insane
Truth!
At first I thought the bodies were just morbid “attractions” and I thought it was bad to leave them out. But now I think having them there as guide posts serve as cautionary tales that translate into “always be aware” and “it’s ok to turn around if things aren’t going right”, or “don’t stay too long at the top”, etc.
Also it's just too difficult and dangerous to remove them off the mountain. People have died in expeditions to remove bodies. Once you get yo a certain point on the mountain it's pretty much everyone for themselves.
I tend to agree with you....although more and more are being removed. They are a good reminder
Maybe this idea could be used in traffic signs and road speed warnings too ? Dead bodies, mangled and beyond recognition preserved in resin, atop poles along highways and other major roads?
Great show 👏 Mallory and Irvine did it and just never came home 🏡
FACTS
1. Noel Odell's last confirmed sighting of Mallory & Irvine at 12:50pm 800 verticle feet from summit
2. Missing photo of Mallory's wife
3. Ice axe, mitten, and oxygen bottle location
4. Mallory's location on the Mountain
5. Mallory's glasses in pocket suggesting low light conditions, i.e., dark
6. Reports of body of English climber removed from Mountain by Chinese expedition
7. The " third step unclimbable" theory Conrad Anker free climbed the second step 2 separate ways and rated them a 5.10 and 5.9 in difficulty respectively so men looking to be the first to summit would scoff at this stopping them
8. Mallory and Irvine went missing 8th june 1924 a bit later in the season. There is more snow making the first second and third step more snow than rockface, and judging by images from the expedition, there was a lot more snow on the mountain than we ever see..
INTERESTING..
George Mallory and Sandy Irvine, the original conquerors of everest
Evidence says these blokes did it
Wow this is unbelievable. You have to go to that museum
Yes!
Man..... Since I've started watching videos on CZcams about Mt. Everest I always wondered if Mallory and Irvine had summitted... And I know they where suppose to take a picture up there with that camera.... I'm pretty sure it was found and had been kept secret. The world needs to see this. And getting that film developed would be the pinnacle of it all... And the most epic of all this would be seeing Mallory and Irvine at the top of Mount Everest before taking the grand tour...
That photograph would be amazing to see, cover of every newspaper in the world kind of thing. I'd love to see it, too!
The truth is that Mallory and Irvine were extraordinary mountaineers, the best of the best. Who left an incredible legacy! A legacy that is so much greater and longer lived because we don't have all the answers.
Absolutely right on! Thank you for watching!
I know that underwhelming feeling. Been involved in some major stuff, you get prepared for the Press...and no one turns up! Maybe once I write my books, they may? Interesting listen...thanks!
Yes, someone decked out the ballroom with balloons and set the tables, had the punch bowls filled....and the band played alone on stage...lol. Well, at this juncture 150,000 have watched this video. I think we've turned the tide a bit and given some food for thought for future sleuths.
I've been fascinated with Everest for many years, so thank you for sharing all your research. I recently saw a story online about the camera and it said that Kodak felt if the camera was found, they should be able to develop the pictures due to the conditions on the mountain. Makes me wonder now after watching this video, if in fact a Chinese expedition did in fact find the camera, had they consulted Kodak, might the pictures have been able to be developed? If I had to guess, I'm betting because they destroyed the film during the developing process is the reason they never went public with the find. What are your thoughts on this theory?
If so, I reckon it was done on purpose.
They would've developed it, made duplicates perhaps and discarded whomever developed the pictures
We have very specific instructions from a gentleman considered the world authority on this matter and he maintains that most assuredly, if the camera is handled properly, the film could be developed. Cheers!
@@EverestMystery would they release it publicly though ya reckon? Awesome chat -you have a new subscriber 😁 much love from New Zealand... Sir Ed is on our $5 bill 😅
And then you realise that the source of the camera story is second hand from a 13 year old boy.
There is no camera, its owner took pictures and brought it back home with him.
If but maybe, you're obsessed
Maybe not the outcome we wanted (it would have been great if you guys found Irvine at the Holzell spot on your last expedition), but TBH this is kind of the outcome I suspected. It was always known that the 1975 Chinese expedition found "an old English dead" at 8200 m in a location that didn't reconcile with Conrad's discovery of Mallory's body. The 1975 Chinese expedition found Irvine, stripped the body of its belongings, and then trundled it off the side of the mountain. I don't believe Pau Dao's claim that they performed any burial.
Could be right....I appreciate the insight on what might have happened...
As every climber knows, you can go up but you gotta come down- alive. Many has been an explorer who reached a false summit only to prove it by describing it and then have a true summit reacher describe a different summit. It all depends on the weather, ie. visibility. A photo proves very little. If Mallory and Irvine made it to the top they surely would have left an object of some size to prove it but after so long such things get blown off or away. I am willing to bet they never made it and just as willing to say they could have made it. What makes them Heroes is they tried with practice and skill and above all their love for climbing. Mallory/Irvine Legends!
Right on! So true....I agree with you. Yes, a summit photo in white out conditions is basically a photo in white out conditions....so, even a 'summit' photo might not tell us much. Anything they carried to the summit would have blown away in hours let alone months or years. They are legends, indeed...and gave their lives for it. Cheers!
A photo of the summit at least would show the trigonometry tripod or not.
Coming back down alive is just a convention in awarding someone the peak. So Mallory was the first up there to me. Requiring survival doesn't seem to apply to caving or cave diving in acknowledging the achievement. What if you had to come back from an expedition or war alive, for it to be validated. Actually I found descending snow steps to be so slippery and freaky, I stayed on my snowboard.
possibly the reason for the lack of interest is that those rumours were circulating much more widely than mark synott seems to be aware of. I only discovered CZcams about 18 months ago, and one of the things I did was binge watch Everest. I watched so many videos that I now have no memory of which video it was in which these rumours were discussed, but I'd forgotten all about them by the time CZcams put this video in front of me today. so, when we got to the punchline and I realized I'd already heard it, the impact was necessarily muted.
that being said, I am appreciative for the insight into the Chinese mindset provided by Mr. Synott in fleshing out the story. when con anker ( and I presume the interviewer?) found Mallory in 1999, they weren't filming. they went back a second time to make a film about the discovery, which they shared with the world. although that film was needlessly self-promotional, it was respectful of mallory I'm willing to believe that con anker did not otherwise withhold anything. contrast that to the chinese! couldn't they have shared, at least a little? why so selfish?
You're definitely correct that this isn't the first time we've heard these stories about the body being discovered. We had many conversations about this during our 2019 expedition, and, as we were there on a full budget to go find Sandy, essentially hoped they were untrue (the body being removed). Mark was contacted by a gentleman whom I interviewed here on this channel some weeks later, and the exact story was retold, although from different sources. I guess Mark began to see the possible truth behind Sandy being removed.
Thanks for watching, I hope you can find your way back here again (in the madness that is CZcams!). Cheers
The fact that Mallorys body was found below his ice axe below the last place they were seen i totally believe they summited that day in 1924!