Two LED ZEPPELIN Albums People Don't Like (...that much)
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My Box Sets of 'Presence' and 'Coda' finally come out!!!
Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College - Hudba
Love Presence, "Achilles Last Stand" is on of my fave Zeppelin songs. My favourite 3 albums are I, III and Presence.
Same here - especially the Third lp
Presence is their heaviest album. LOVE IT
Not sure what your idea of "Heavy" is, but Zep 1 and 2 have a good amount of heavy riff based songs as well, and more so than Presence
@@remnantsofasoundblast Just my opinion. I'm a big Zep fan and have seen them 14 times, all within the NYC / Philly areas. I think Presence is heavy.
@@custom55 YOU LUCKY BASTARD!!!!
@@miamibeachsunnydays8274 The Rover
The Wanton Song
@@miamibeachsunnydays8274 In My Time Of Dying is heavy too
lll and Houses of the Holy are personal favorites. I like ITTOD a lot, and mainly for the deep tracks like I'm Gonna Crawl and Carouselambra.
"Presence" is absolutely great. My second favorite, after "Physical Graffiti". I just love the bass & drums on this album. I don't dislike "Coda"; but it is a compilation, not a Led Zeppelin album in the full sense.
Presence is just ok 6/10 , ITTOD 2/10 sorry I got rid of it after consistent listening for a month , I kept Presence as it includes the wonderful Achilles LastStand and Nobody’s fault but Mine !
I'd like to add that 'Presence' deserves iconic status alone for the drum/bass pattern on 'Nobody's Fault but Mine' from 2:40 to 3:00.
Love this video Andy!! I bought CODA as a kid -- it was the only time I ever got to buy a "new" Led Zeppelin album in my life -- I've always liked it and never understood why some of those tracks didn't make it to In Through the Out Door, which -- like you said -- is lackluster. FWIW where I grew up I heard Darlene, Poor Tom and Ozone Baby on the radio all the time
Love Presence!! I grew up drumming to that record over and over. Still have that copy. Learned so many great techniques working on that!
Nice commentary Andy, thanks. My preferred album switches regularly usually favour the 3rd, Presence and the 1st. Was lucky enough to see Zeppelin at to old Maple Leaf Gardens when they toured the 4th album. Quite an experience. Thanks for jogging my memory bank!
IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR is a great album . Play it a lot these days.
My last family holiday in the South of France is really where my love of Zep began-the bar in our modest hotel (no bidet) had a pool table and a jukebox in the lobby where me fatha and I knocked a few balls about while me mam and sister faffed on upstairs getting ready to go out-I had THE OCEAN on nonstop -killer riff-Got some F-olding money next day while at the beach and went off to do me own thing.Found a record store and got Heep's Very 'Eavy on vinyl and Presence on cassette-then got the nerve up to buy 20 Gitanes and lie in the grape vines til dusk ,looking at them both soon zonked out-the nice lady at hotel (Les Routiers) next morning told me my folks had left at 7am -right after croissants-2007 was the best holiday eva man -PRESENCE remains my fav and it still works on me cassette player
Nice to see love for Presence - it's also one of my favourite LZ albums
Presence is My favorite zep.. A for originality. I listen to in through the out door for John Paul Jones keyboards playing _ it's very distinctive. He's the original stealth talent on everything he does.
Fantastic video. I believe Bonzo's Montreux is an Avant Garde piece itself. One of Zepp's gems. Andy this is great stuff. I am doing a documentary on Post Zeppelin 1981-1989 right now if you wanna check it out!
It would have been interesting to hear a song-by-song breakdown of _"Presence",_ the way he did for most the songs off _"Coda"._
Couldn't agree more on what you said about LZ playing the blues. "Since I've been loving you" is great, but the early blues songs around 69 are pretty boring. I love all LZ, it is one of my favorite bands! But "Presence" is my least favorite - Achilles Last Stand is a great song, very influential for the NWBHM. The Coda deluxe edition is great. One of the few I can really recommend, there is a lot of interesting bonus stuff. The other deluxe album versions usually offer only some early mixes of the album songs or instrumental versions of it.
I Adore Presense and CODA! I Despise In Trought the Out Door! Thank you for sharing these!
Glad you enjoy it!
Donovan's Season of the Witch gets a nice treatment from Al Kooper in Super Session.
Presence is an outlier in a way because JPJ didn’t have any keyboard parts or any instrumentation other than bass on the entire album for whatever reason. He made up for it on their last studio album because by that time Jimmy was all strung out and he had to step up, but Jimmy’s guitar work carried Presence and I also love In Through The Outdoor because I was always a fan of all JPJ’s contributions to their music. He was the unsung hero of Led Zeppelin imo.
CODA was also a great album with some classic tracks such as Darlene which easily stands among their greatest songs among others on that album.
I guess it’s a bit different for me because being a drummer myself, Bonham is one of my primary influences as a player and he was consistently great throughout their discography as well as the live albums, so as far as all Zeppelin’s work goes, I’m all in.
Presence was the first Led Zep album I ever owned and it remains my favourite, and has my no 1 favourite Led Zep song in Achilles Last Stand, I think it gets short shrift because it came after Physical Graffitti that is 1 side too long, was more stripped back and isnt a critics or critical favourite. My second favourite Zep album is Houses of the Holy - although I never bought any of the zep albums when I was young apart from Presence, 4 and Physical Graffitti (which I sold because I needed to raise money probably to buy a Rush or a Rainbow album). I did get the two Remasters box sets so I could eventually programme the albums from the CDs. As you say Coda has some good stuff on it as well and the Remasters set mashed together Bonzos Montreux with Moby Dick. Not a great fan of studio drum solos though and I am also not a great lover of blues rock, and so can take or leave the first couple of albums prefer 2 over 1 - contentious and sacriligious as that is, its my taste - not a big Free or Bad Company fan either.
I'm glad someone says the truth about Physical Graffitti...many people says it's their best but I have never been completely sold. So many of their greatest tunes on there, but so many lesser tunes too...
That’s funny, I actually love the up beat expressed on In Through the Out Door. Along with all the rest. Presence likely my least but still owned by me on vinyl. The black thing is a bong! 🗿
Presence has long been one of my favorite Zeppelin albums, just behind Physical Graffiti but agree that most people dont give it much love. It has my favorite Zeppelin song, For Your Life. I was thrilled when they played this live in 2007. Enjoyed this video
God bless Andy for your great words about Coda. Wonderful. When I was young in the 80`s I felt I was being force fed Zep 1,2 and 4. And as a lad didn`t want people telling me what was great and what I should listen to. Then Coda came out and Boom! I understood. As a drummer Poor Tom knocked me out. The hats on Darlene fascinated me and Bonzo`s Montreux to this day, may be the only rock drum solo song I still love to listen to. Of coarse by the mid 80`s I was a Zeppelin freak. Listening and loving everything. Is this my favorite Zep Album? ....no ( That would be Physical Graffiti ) But I can honestly say. I still listen to Coda more than any other Zeppelin. I hope to cover Darlene on a future project.
Super Video Andy.
I really enjoy hearing your thoughts
The unfiltered opinion of a pro who played with an icon of rock is uncommon.
Thanks for what you do.
Love going down memory lane. I just re-listened to those records.
There is a lot of great music on these albums.
I remember when Presence came out, .
At the time we didn’t understand it.
My buddy bought it, we went to his house to hear it.
I thought the first track sounded like Chris Squire and Steve Howe were sitting in.
We were waiting for that big “ Heartbreaker “ / “Black Dog” thing.
I hear it now and it is great music.
Made me think about an album called “Outrider “
Not sure if you have heard it.
It was a different direction for Jimmy Page,
And many people I talk to think it is weak because it’s not Led Zeppelin.
I really enjoy it.
Love to know your opinion.
I was always partial to Walter's Walk on Coda.
Outtakes are outtakes for a reason. That was my reaction to Coda when I bought it in ‘82, and my reaction hasn’t changed much since. It just seemed like an afterthought at the time. But I do now appreciate it as a historical document of the band’s legacy.
For me, as I said in the video, wearing and Tearing is better than anything on In Through The Outdoor and Bonzo's Montreux is a much better legacy than Moby Dick....
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer No doubt Coda has moments that shine. Generally, even Zep’s weaker albums are relatively good compared to most rock bands of that era. Always appreciate the passion you bring to the discussion.
I LOVE everything they did!! There isn't a song or performance that I haven't adored! And I probably have seen/heard them all!
What, even Hats Off To Harper 😂?
That should have been binned and Hey Hey What Can I Do put there instead.
@@lyndoncmp5751 totally agree. Can't stomach Hats Off. It's annoying as hell.
antarctic orb,
Great minds think alike 👍
Should be titled ' Led Zeppelin Albums Two People Don't Like '.
(shhh...it's a click baity title)
😀
Rockers from Houses of : the Song Remains the same, Over the Hills, the Ocean, the crunge, Dancing Days
I bought Coda when it came out, but I think I listened to it twice.
When I first heard Presence, then sense I got from the music was that the music sounded like compositions instead of shaped up jams. At first, this felt wrong to me, but then I the songs grew on me and I learned to love the album and music.
I love Presence. So did the band Heart as the song Barracuda is obviously influenced by Achilles last Stand. I also agree that Bonzo's drums are the only redeeming thing on ITTOD, I love that sound.
very interesting video Andy. they're the 2 records I've listened to least. don't dislike them as such, but…
~McLeod Ganj did a superb cover of We're Gonna Groove. well, well worth a listen
I enjoy these albums greatly and totally agree with you ! My favorite Zeppelin album is Physical Graffiti !
"I Can't Quit You" is from the show with the audience stripped out.
I still love the studio versions of The Song Remains The Same coupled with The Rain Song.
My fave ever pairing of album openers.Immense.
While I was rather disappointed with _"Presence"_ when it was first released, over time it ended up being my personal favorite Led Zeppelin album. I wouldn't say it's their *best* album (I'd go with _"Physical Graffiti"_ for that), but it's my favorite.
i read somewhere, that the Black Object was a reference to an object seen in the film 2001 Space Oddysey.
Being disappointed, as I was, with Coda I missed out on the reissues and the box sets .. Clearly with these extra tracks this is quite something, there are some real gems in the extras.
Presence and Houses of the Holy are my favorite... ok I guess we all know the story behind In through the Outdoor and Jimmy's absence on that production ....
My favorite Zeppelin album is usually the last one I listened to.
I started playing blues in 1969 on a borrowed guitar. You are spot on about "white guys need to do something unique with the form in order to make it work" - Zep are not the only ones to evolve blues in their own way. When I play, for instance, Spoonful, I play it differently every time to fit my mood. My vocals fit whatever mood is appropriate. Sometimes I play it just a hint uptempo, a hint of swing, sometimes Jimi slow blues style, sometimes straight Howlin' Wolf style. Blues, for me, serve the song, not the other way around. How about punk-acid-blues? Big Brother and the Holding Company are interesting (I love 'em!) blues interpreters. Mike Bloomfield just played straight blues - listen to his side of Super Session - and there is no finer guitar playing on Earth, it still gives me chills. Al Kooper really nailed that session. Agree on Zep. I just skip over the crap songs.
I love Coda, it gave us some outakes we really needed to hear. The re-issue is even better as it mops up so many great tracks.
I agree..of the box sets, it's easily the best one. This was the original idea behind this video but that may have got lost a bit in the CZcams hoo ha
Love Presence
For fusion fans For your life is a fantastic song on my favorite LZ album Presence
Darlene on Coda has a great groove too
I agree...
Actually there are 3: Presence, Outhouse and Yoda.
Not all that keen on Coda but Presence has always been one of my favourite Zeppelin albums. A couple of fillers on it maybe but Tea For One, Nobody's Fault..., For Your Life and Achilles Last Stand all absolute classic Zep.
I'm with you on" In Through the Out Door ". It's the only official album that I don't own.Don't like much at all on it. I do like Presence a fair amount.Bought it when it was released.
This “clicking noise” in the backround drives me insane. Even more than I’m already are. 😂
I agree about In Through............ their weakest effort. Presence is great, Achilles Last Stand is my favourite Zep song. CODA flew under my radar, not sure I ever heard it.
Looking forward to the "my problem with the blues" video 😅 Popcorn prepared, "look guys… it's just three chords! 😡". Just realised, this video is a year old. So you chickened out then 😉
Coming soon!
I keep running into that Gurdjieff fella pictured on your shelf, metaphorically speaking. Always carry a pair of stilts when walking in the desert... sound advice, if you ask me.
I really like Presence, but not heard Coda. I appreciate the fact that you just go with your intuitive taste without worrying about aligning it with the supposed ‘received wisdom’. I have a relationship with Zep that even fewer share which is that I think The Song Remains The Same is easily their best,( the original vinyl version not the remastered stuff with the different live takes).
Coming from a soul/funk/disco/jazz fusion background I wasn’t overly impressed with rock music back in 79 when was 13 years old. But I got obsessed with listening to bass players …. From whatever genre. I was with my rock mates in the summer holidays when they put SRTS on. I was blown away and thought ….ohhhhh this is why everyone raves about this band. The live versions of Celebration Day, Song Remains The Same, Rain Song, Dazed and Confused, No Quarter, Stairway To Heaven, and Whole Lotta Love are up there with pretty much anything for me,( obviously there are pieces of music that I gravitate to more, but it’s hard to criticise the quality or creativity and delivery on those tracks …. Rock n Roll and Moby Dick … less so).
If I’d heard any of the studio albums up to that point I’m not sure they’d have had anywhere near the same impact, probably because of that over reliance on blues and folk,( which I realise is really odd when talking about Zeppelin).
Great vid though as always ✌️
I love a contrarian point of view. I think Song Remains The Same may need a re-evaluation...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer honestly Andy take a listen to the original vinyl version. The rhythm section of John and John is completely funked up and as snappy as hell. To blow the mind even more……. Page is right in there with them and is playing like an acid fuelled rock version of Nile Rodgers crossed with Pete Townsend , five years before Chic came into being.
My way into this album on very first listen was via John Paul Jones and the Prog funk take on hard rock,( which ultimately must include Bonham obviously), but the larger take away was Page,( still don’t get the guy 100% to be honest on the totality of his guitar output …. Other players always sounded better at different areas of expertise to me. Sabbath’s riffs were always more monolithic and powerful to me, and less blues based soloists always sounded better), who as well as the aforementioned rhythm playing, stepped up and played solos that sounded like they had more in common with Zappa than a Clapton or other more solidly blues based guitarist.
I'm excited about this clip. I agree so much about several points. 'Coda' has tracks from ITTOD sessions, that would have easily elevated that album to all other LZ classics.
"Bonzo Montreux' is fantastic. It's one of the few drum solo tunes, that you can almost hum along to.
And also not a big champion of LZ early Blues. It's the only reason LZII suffers a bit IMO. Once they took it into minor key like 'Since I been lovin" or "Tea for 1" ;they discovered new territory.
Really good clip. My favorite parts are always when you lose your train of thought.
This was why I did the video...ITTOD would have been way better if those three were on instead of Hot Dog and I'm Gonna Crawl...And if you like it when I lose my train of though...keep watching, I seem to be getting worse...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Haha... yea, but it's proof that you're not using auto-tune. 'rhetorical auto-tune'...or something like that. never mind
Presence is great if only for Achille's Last Stand and then Tea For Two, love the blues, but never really got into Out Door. Ain't really listened to coda too much.
Great video.
What about doing a show on your 10 best produced albums of all time?
There are many definitions of great production....do you mean nicest sounding?
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer yes the best sounding ones
That much. Nice save.
Presence is not one of my fave Zep album, but that’s a fantastic box set!
agreed on ewverything you say in this one andy
Um Presence is brilliant, mature and just a classic album. Jimmy is very proud of this album. You can hear him during his time of heroin putting his passion into those solos. Plants vocals are little strained but every song hits hard. I mean Tea for one and Nobody’s fault? Who could disregard this album?
Its my least favourite. Little that is new and fresh on it. I only really love Hots On For Nowhere.
Used to look down a bit at Presence, ITTOD, and Coda. They seemed lesser in quality to me. Now, I love all of this band's catalog.
I like "Presence". "Achilles Last Stand" and "Nobody's Fault But Mine" are strong songs from that album. "In Through the Out Door" is their worst for me, too.
I don't like coda but it came out after Bonham pass away.
Presence is not my favorite album but I do like it a lot. It does contain my favorite Led Zep song though "Achilles Last Stand"
Not many agree with me but I like their debut album most. I love the raw sound, energy and experimental attitude.
It depends on the age. Most who grew up with LZ from 1969 will quote LZ I and LZ II at the top of their lists. With the description of you
Busted :) How Many More Times is amongst my favourite LZ tracks.
I'm 100% with you on Moby Dick, great riff boring drum solo. And I absolutely love Presence.
Coda is easy to agree with here. Presence? No. If somebody can't hear and feel the frustrations and pent up energies from all of their personal events from the last two ears, I don't know I can convince them. Listen carefully - this is arguably Bozno's most explosive album ever, Jones unveiled his new active Alembic sound, Plant's focus because of the cast on his lef and the wheelchair is incredible and JImmy unleashed his "guitar army" orchestra (13 gtr tracks on Achilles, several on Nobody's Fault). No acoustic? That does not automatically make something good or bad. This is the best diamond-hard rock from the mid-'70's IMHO.
I like all of House of the Holy always have since it's release .. I liked LZ because of LZ3 being so different to 1&2, 4 a masterpiece as is HoftH, Physical Graffiti, imo. :-) .. Fairly standard opinion which is unusual for me. Nice Vid' again. I don't like Moby Dick as such, either..
3:40 ... Jimmy Page actually did that earlier with Zeppelin IV with zero writing on the front or back. Atlantic Records supposedly threw a fit about that but Page wanted to prove a point that the group's name didn't need to be shown anywhere. He obviously did something right with Zeppelin IV selling 30 Million plus or minus a few million. Zeppelin never released a bad album which not many bands can make that claim. Anywhere from very good 3 Stars (Coda) to the 5 Star masterpiece that is Physical Graffiti, my All-Time favorite album by any artist, ever. A band for the ages..
When Coda was released, in 1982, the only song l recall hearing on the radio was “Darlene.” I had a friend who was a huge Zep fan, and l recall hearing the record at his house. He also had a ginormous LZ poster on his wall with JPJ with his three neck “guitar,” and Pagey with his trusty double neck… amongst a bunch of other pictures. At any rate, Coda’s best track is probably the heavy swagger of “Wearing and Tearing.” It’s a good album, perhaps not as cohesive as some other Zep records, due to the songs coming from different eras of the band. Coda has aged better, over the past forty years.
I feel the same about Zeppy III. As a Queens yewt, the acoustic nature was too subtle for my then immature brain to fathom. We wanted to rock out, and there wasn’t much material in the way of “Immigrant Song,” and “Celebration Day.” Our cavemen minds dug those tracks,but not so much the more mellow fare. As the decades have worn on, I’ve immersed myself more in immense intricacies in numbers like “Friends,” “Tangerine,” and “Gallows Pole.” Another excellent platter.
To me, Presence was always akin to the bastard son of Physical Graffiti. PG is my favorite LZ elpee, but Presence still has moments of greatness. My two faves are “Nobody’s Fault But Mine,” and “Achilles Last Stand.” Bonzo’s drumming on the latter is incredible, those fills throughout the song… wow. And l rally love Page’s guitar solos, sounds and licks on the former tune.
All in all, l feel Led Zeppelin never released a truly terrible album, there are myriad delights all throughout their storied career.
Keep up the sterling work, and keep growin’ ya hair!
Cheers from Noo Yawk, ova heyah!
~8^ )
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As a progger, and a contrarian, I’m a fan of ITTOD. It was the first Zep album that my aforementioned (now late) friend and l had heard/purchased when it was released as a new album. “Carouselambra” is in my top five LZ tunes of all time. I’m also a big mark for “All My Love,” which many would label a “softy.”* l love JPJ’s synth solo and it’s a great tribute to Plant’s son. l liked the fact that Jones and Percy sort of spearheaded this particular platter, as James was a wee bit busy with (allegedly) other pursuits.
LZ III is my favorite
My least favourite is Presence although its still decent. It's a strange one for Zeppelin as there is little that is new or different on it.
Achilles Last Stand is just an attempt to redo or expand on The Song Remains The Same. Same with Tea For One with Since I've Been Loving You.
The only song I really love on Presence is Hots On For Nowhere, because it's totally fresh and unlike anything they ever did.
I prefer In Through The Out Door to Presence because it has some new and interesting ideas and in the Zeppelin tradition its unlike anything they did before. That's what made Zeppelin great. Their ability to evolve and change. I just don't see that much on Presence and the things they did do on Presence they had already done better before.
Just my thoughts.
Cheers.
Here's a little game I play occasionally to keep my blues interesting. What would B.B. King do with such a crude number as Spoonful and it's a whole different song. Or Prince, or is he too good for blues? I am not a fan of blues superstars who crank everything to 11 from start to finish at superspeed. Kenny Wayne Sheppard, your boy Gary, that other guy. Eric needs a guy like me to strip his blues down to the bones, I'm sure he's terrified of me. He's still a fan, you know, of the form. "I'm Dennis John Mason, blues traveler, pleased to meet you, Mister Eric Patrick C., now let me show you how Crossrads can sound truly epic without the pyrotechnics..." and he'd punch me in the nose. No, he wouldn't. He has a house close to where I type. I never see him. I met George Harrison in 1977, I say that a lot just to remind myself that it was real.
Wasn't Coda just a collection of outtakes? Not really fair to consider it against their proper studio albums. ITTOD has grown on me over the years. Yeah, it's a not what you think of when you think of a Zep record, but I think it's a great record in its own right. My favorite Zep record is still HOTH though
I don't like any of them after Vol. II. Tried many times and still do occasionally but its always the same, have to turn them off after a few minutes.
Confession time... I don't really like Houses of the Holy. When it came out I tried so hard to like it but I just couldn't. For me, it was such a massive let down after IV.
I amost pissed myself at the country and western vibe on ITTOD in 79. I thought it was a joke album release!!
Only have the first 5 one's.
Physical G , had it twice and sold it twice . Though it has some good tracks , I could never relate to the sound . Much too dense and negative sound for my taste & also because it keeps on goin' on 4 sides.
'In Through The Out Door' was disappointing, largely due the the annoying 'synthesizer on accordion setting' feel of the keyboards. For me there was a real drop off in quality after the fourth album, with 'Houses of The Holy'. The mix on that album sounds totally anemic in places; some tracks sound unfinished; Plant's vocals are too forward in the mix; and Bonham's powerhouse drumming isn't forward enough (Bonham's drumming never could be too forward). I wish they would have left off b-side filler like 'D'Yer Mak'er' and 'The Crunge'. 'Presence' definitely sounds much better, and 'Achilles Last Stand' and 'For Your Life' in particular are absolutely classic Led Zeppelin. It's unfair to go after 'Coda', because it was a collection of unreleased tracks rather than a proper album. Taken that way it's pretty good. Now if you want to shoot my opinion then here's some ammunition for you: I'm HEAVILY biased in favour of the first four albums, with III being my favourite...
I would agree on the whole...the first four are remarkable. I agree about the production on Houses and there are some strange tunes on there for sure. Physical Graffitti is also a collection of leftovers like Coda. Most of it is incredible but there is filler there. Presence is fantastic IMO and In Through The Outdoor does not contain one classic Zep tune for me. The best is probably All Of My Love but that is an anomalie in their catalogue.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Cheers Andy. Now, imagine if HOTH had been a double album that left off the aforementioned filler tracks, and one side contained 'Houses of The Holy' (from Physical Graffiti), the tracks re-recorded in India ('Friends', 'Four Sticks') and 'Kashmir' - in that running order... HOTH might then have been regarded as Led Zeppelin's 'prog-ish masterpiece'.
Get out of my head Andy! It’s weird how my preferences fall in line with yours. Led Zep three, presence, and physical are my top three.
I remember when Presence and Coda were released. I liked Presence more. It was released when I was still a big LZ fan, though. By the time Coda came out, my musical taste had evolved. Unfortunately, Coda didn't get me as excited about a new LZ record as their earlier albums had. It wasn't that I didn't like it, I just needed something else.
Thanks Andy for helping me revisit those times. Everybody... now that used CDs are so cheap, it's an excellent time to update your music collection with the ones you missed first time around (if you haven't started already).
How can you "evolve" past Zeppelin? Are you kidding?
@@juliemanarin4127 Let me explain. I've listened to popular music for 50 years and have loved all kinds. When I listen to Zep now it's not the same. I find myself almost entirely focused on the drumming. I didn't do that before. If I take a CD with me in the car, it would far more likely be one of Robert's recent folky albums. Sorry, that's just where I'm at now. What drew me to Andy is his expert knowledge of Fusion. He's been very helpful with filling in gaps in my collection. Don't hate me. It's the variety that has sustained me.
« Presence » is a great album. The worst album of led zeppelin is « in through the out door ».
carouselambra is the greatest song ever.
The only album I don’t love is In Through the Out Door. Not enough Jimmy Page, who, despite all the amazing talent in the band, is the creative wellspring and driving force. No Page, no Zeppelin.
Presence is my favorite album for the same reason you mentioned---just the band in all of its glorious raw power. Drumming and guitar riffs are second to none. But here's the rub---the only thing that no one EVER talks about, is unfortunately, Plant sings kinda flat throughout the whole thing. Especially on Achilles... how come no one ever talks about this? You can hear it starting on Physical... all the albums after that, Plant is singing flat. I guess at that point, you're surrounded by a bunch of yesmen, no outside producers to tell him to do a better take (Page produced everything)---shameful and lazy for a band of that caliber.
Zep 2 and 4 for me.. Take or leave the rest.. First 5 black sabbath albums rule meantime 💪
Andy, how about a top 10 list of the top 10 songs Led Zeppelin plagiarized from actual composers. Like most of their first 3 albums
Let me ruminate on this... a drummer offered a post by Robert Plant, and an open fan of Led Zeppelin's music, regards 'Moby Dick' as 'too long' and in essence as 'what's the fuss about'. Hmmm. Interesting you choose 'Bonzo's Montreaux' as your preference. I wonder if it's a generational 'thing' going on there. Would you by any chance be in that 50 something, NME post punk box? If so no wonder 'white men playing the blues; is not your thing, nor drum solos, that 'go on and on'. Such was the diatribe of scorn offered to your youth-full selves by the music press during those days. I'm amazed, given you have worked with Mr Plant that you are unable to see how Zeppelin's version of 'I Can't Quit You Babe' is anything other than some form of 'wannabe' reproduction. I guess music truly is in the ears of the listener.
If anything, Robert is the one with the post punk attitude...and anyone who watches this channel will know how much I love drums solos. I was once a drum clinician and did solos for a living. I have released an album of drum solos. My problem with Moby Dick is it is simple and boring...I also toured Europe playing 'white blues' with Ian Parker...check out my video on identity politics...basically your assumptions are pretty wrong. I love Since I've Been Loving You, When The Levee Breaks and Tea for One. Watch again and you may get the points I'm making here...
Thanks for the reply. I speculated, and was surprised by your regard of 'Moby Dick'. I enjoy your dives into Zeppelin, and it's interesting to have a musician's take on their incredible music. I understand the point on the legitimacy of people simply duplicating blues standards. A topic that was cited by music journos who leapt upon the Punk bandwagon. Maybe you take a differing view on this, but although 'I Can't Quit You Babe' is very different to the likes of SIBLY, I feel it to be more than just a 'copy and paste' blues outing. Which brings to mind a related question. Would you feel equally unmoved or uncomfortable listening to Rory Gallagher's work? Anyway I digress. Getting back to Bonham's MD I guess the stylus was often lifted and replaced for the final track. Fans could maybe not relate to a stand-alone drum performance, but it's inclusion was of its time. As to your view of MD being 'simple' I'm baffled by that, it would be interesting to hear what other drummers think. Perhaps a video from you on this subject?
I like Coda though it's not what I would classify as a proper album and more like a compilation album that was released not that long after Bonham's death. Presence and In Through The Outdoor I would say are very much mediocre albums and far from solid albums. The worst album this band ever made in my opinion is Houses Of The Holy. They say you should never judge a book by its cover and when it comes to that album they are absolutely right. The cover although done by Hipgnosis looks more like a Roger Dean cover and I personally think it's the best album cover of all Zepp albums. But the album is complete GARBAGE! Here is my twopence worth of the opening track.
"The opening track on the album “The Song Remains the Same” sees the band trying to do what they do best in the way of making a good rock song. Notice I did say the word “Trying” because quite frankly this is not by any means like some of the classics we have seen on their previous albums. But what even ruins it even more than anything, is their so-called new layering and production techniques. To be perfectly honest the live version of this song is very good and in fact 100 times better than the disastrous job they have done on this studio album. Now it does not take even an idiot to realise that Robert Plant has a really great rock voice. So just WTF did they process his voice so badly on this song.
Honestly, he sounds bloody dreadful, and it’s as if he was sucking on a tube of helium whilst singing it. If this is what they call new mixing techniques, quite frankly they can shove them up their arse as far as I am concerned. It’s got to be the worst-produced song I have heard on a Led Zeppelin album. Just hearing Plant sing the song’s title makes me want to smash the record up. Pinky and Perky sound better FFS! and yes Plant’s voice has been speeded up.
“The Song Remains the Same” was originally intended to be an instrumental track however Plant quite liked it and wanted to contribute words and vocals to it. To be honest on this studio album it would have been a damn site better if they left it as an instrumental track having heard what they did with the guy’s voice. There is no doubt that this song on the live album of the same title does sound really great, and this song would have been a contender for the top spot on this album. But no way could I give it to this studio version I am afraid it’s totally dreadful and unplayable.
To be honest, I am well surprised that Robert Plant never complained in the first place and let it be released like this. Honestly, if somebody did that to my voice I would be chasing them around the studio with a double-barrel shotgun" 😊😊😊.
I forgot there is a terrible song on Bloomie's side of Super Session called Man's Temptation and it's horrible R'n'B, skip it.
Bad Title 😂😂😂
Made you look though...
For about 3 seconds 🥰🥰
There is no such thing as a bad Led Zeppelin album...
Dyer Maker is the only song I hate by them. I hate reggae. I hate this song. Bonhams solos are interminable
Yeah. The 2 weakest 'samey-est' LPs in the canon. Some good tracks, sure. But that's it.
i tried to like zeppelin but no. I actually prefer rocka rolla by priest to any zep album. there i said it. anybody want a near new physical graffiti
Yes John, I'd love a copy! Is it free?😆