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- So after talking about 5 colors for a bit, what is my preferred amount of colors in my decks?
The answer is simple, 3 colors is the best. Rising to the occasion while 5 colors fall short. 3 color allows for plenty of flexibility, identity, and budget needs for everyone playing MTG! These are my thoughts on the matter!
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I think 3 colors is where Wotc puts some of the most interesting commanders. I have a ton I am interested in building but I think budget 3 color mana bases are much weaker than people give it credit for.
I personally like the the better mana base and further card restriction of 2 color. But I understand why many people prefer 3 color.
i think the key with 3 color manabases is making sure that you have an uneven spread of color symbols (or running green as one of your colors). 60% color one, 30% color two, 10% color three, 50/30/20, etc. if you're only splashing the third color, which is oftentimes going to be the case anyway, you can fix your mana and still stay relatively consistent on a budget depending on how color-intensive the cards you're using are and the distribution of the mana symbols. it takes some additional effort without fetches and shock lands, but it's still doable imo.
that being said, i'm looking to build a two-color deck as my next commander so i can focus more of my budget outside of my mana base, since i'm a budget player. i'm sure it will likely be more consistent than three-color, but i usually play three-color and i feel like it's still doable on a budget.
Hot(?) take: if you always use good stuff, it doesn't matter what color combos you use. it's still gonna be boring.
That's a stupid take. Is it boring watching Usain Bolt win every race? Familiarity vs Achievement
@@graog123yes it is, idk who the fuck watch this
@@graog123 I watched him run once and that was enough. I don't need to see it again
@@graog123 it isn't about winning, it's about variety. The beauty of playing multi-colored decks is the number of choices you have when building a deck. Just adding on good stuff or color staples is the complete opposite of it.
This isn't a good take at all because mono-colour "good stuff" can be a completely different and unique deck based on how you build it, with only a few cards that are staples in every deck. Good Stuff decks only start to get boring in the 4-5 colour ranges, where it stops just being "good stuff" and starts being "the best stuff from each of my colours and nothing else"
Bro what?! Jetmir feels like one of the easiest decks to make with a super straightforward game plan. The cards that you “discovered”, Anim Pakal and Krenko, are the top cards in EDH Rec for him.
Agreed lol.
well protection most likely isn't the most straightforward thing you'd think to include in a Jetmir deck (but he definitely needs it since he's KOS), which maybe he thought he might have been achieving with stax. It also makes sense to add a little evasion as well. On a side note, one of my personal favorite lesser known ones is Skyshaper, a 2-mana artifact you can sac to give your creatures flying until end of turn. But yeah anim and krenko are just auto-includes lmao
I really enjoy building 3 colour commanders. I like leaning into the 'Guilds with a bonus' style build. If you take something like Esper, you can build it multiple ways. There is Dimir with white, Orzhov with blue and Azorius with black. And each one provides a completely different strategy you can manipulate or lean into. Even with the same commander at the helm. Very rarely will all 3 colours be evenly spread in a deck i end up building.
If you build your three color deck with two color partners, the result is two guilds accidentally recruiting a 3rd.
Naya pooling selesnya & boros' recruitment strategies might as well outsource to the gruul while they're at it.
Ah yes, counterspells and kill spells with wraths on the side, board wipes and kill with counterspells to taste, or wipes and counterspells with a splash of removal
@@lunah33 if that is as deep as your brain can go, then sure 👍
I favor Temur, aka Spicy Simic. Got a Gimbal Polymorph deck that often gets out *Esix, Fractal Bloom* to turn Gimbal's gremlin gadgets into clones of anything on the board. UGR is truly the color of boundless creativity.
I would love to see that list
@@kaibatoctoy6032deck name is A Little Off The Top [Primer] on TappedOut.
I made a Temur deck out of random scraps with Beluna Grandsquall as commander, stuffed it absentmindedly with everything I had with Adventures in the relevant colors, and filled out the rear with multicolor stuff. It turned out to be a Tricky Gruul, I was slightly salty at how handily it won.
@@kaibatoctoy6032 I think CZcams keeps deleting my replies. My list is on Tapped Out. It's called A Little Of The Top.
@@kaibatoctoy6032 Trying to get around CZcams's censors here:
My list is on Ta pp(e)d Out with the label A Little Off The Top.
Temur has been my favorite since Intet was pretty much all you could play because Animar and company didn’t exist. I enjoy Sultai(I played the Elder dragon back then for this too) and grixis. Again playing Crosis.
I love the wedges, Mardu and Jeskai are my favorite color combinations.
What is jeskai’s identity to you? I find it does so many different things.
All the color combinations are the best and fit different game plans. I look at them like different flavors of ice cream. Sometimes you want something complex like rocky road, but sometimes you really just want a good vanilla or chocolate. I run decks all all different color combinations, from 1-5 colors. It all depends on your game plan and how well your commander facilitates that plan.
You generally have three options for your commander:
Keystone- facilitates the whole deck idea
Compensator- makes up for a glaring weakness in the deck
Generic- is just a good card that brings nothing to the idea, but provides something like card draw or ramp
Why the trouble with jetmir?
To me ppl solved it too fast even at lower power. Drop lots of dorks, and tokens. Then drop the big man when you're going for the fences.
Hey buddy, you're a brother in arms for Colors xD. My beloved color is Naya, followed by Sultai.
As for the Naya deck i'm running with a very optimized deck list, it's Samut, Voice of Dissent. I named that deck, Fireworks and that's the perfect name for it.
I do think people sleep too much on certains colors like Naya, Jund and Abzan, I tend to see blue everywhere.
To wrap it up, I would just add something. People should try more to build a deck around a Mechanic they like, not a Theme like Sacrifice, but Mechanics like Prowess, Explore etc.
It's much more interesting to build, and very fresh on the table for the opponents.
Personally, i think 2 color combos are the best, there is a lot of difference, even if two combos shate a color, but i still like 3 color combos. (I think they are much stronger)
I'm a jund fanatic, personally. The overwhelming card quality it gets plus the boardstates it can achieve while still being a consistent threat throughout a game makes it so interesting and fun to play; it always feels like I can be the villain at any point. Not to mention all of the really cool commanders it gets (Yurlok and Coram are my two favorites).
I would like to point out that Because Animar is such a great creature based commander in Temur, Wizards dont make even an attempt at making a challenger for him. There are spell deck, artifact decks, dragon decks, but the King is still the Soul of Elements.
Cool video, you've got a nice voice to listen to. I always thought 3 colors are the best, my favorite is Abzan, they feel the best connecte to each other.
Sometimes high power Sultai decks do feel like Five Color decks minus Smothering Tithe, don't they? Hard to come up with things that Sultai struggles to do. In fact, a lot of the things red and white are doing are wasting Sultai's time. I think that changes if you play rotating formats or block constructed, but in Commander you can probably have good faith that the Sultai commander across from you is going to be threatening enough to warrant the early pressure.
Naya rocks so much
Got a group hug deck with Ardenn at the front, giving people equipment. And an ETB based deck based around Norin. Both play so different and I love it
100% agree, really like decks up to 3 colors and also Naya is my favorite color combo, I have a new Ghired deck with lots of token copy of powerfull creatures, a Tana / Keleth as a more tradicional tokens decks ( Basically my power down version of Jetmir) and a Rocco cEDH
Totally. My first deck was selesnya. I wanted access to more cards so next deck was bant. It's so fun
The Master Transcend is a perfect Sultai commander. It incorporates the reanimator strategy of golgari with the mill strategy of dimir. He’s one of my favorite commanders of all time.
I've always preferred 3 but have decided to focus on only 2 colours, because I realised I need more restrictions when building a deck, so untill I get better I'll try to still to 1 or 2
Just built my first 3 color deck and it's really crisp and fun, Falco Spara
I will say 2 color is what I prefer precisely because of the restrictions
Personally my favourite color combo is Abzan I wish they had more commanders in that identity 😢
Yeah, but we got some insanely good ones within the last year, so we're doing a lot better.
3 color is the truth
My personal favorite has become Abzan. I love all the unique forms of card draw & board state progression the colors offer, and it also helps that it has my current favorite commander ThalRog. Other wedges feel like they end up dropping one of the colors for the most part (usually red), so having one where all the colors feel important helps too.
Best color combos are mono colored! They are so underrated and can lean hard into an identity
Literally not a combination. What are you smoking?
I one hundred percent agree also the colors on their own can still be multifaceted for example drawing cards is an effect associated with blue but all of the colors have their own ways of getting more cards. In green usually all of your card draw is related to your creatures and there is also sometimes effects where if the top card is a land put it on battlefield if not put it in hand, when white draws cards it’s usually through tax effects where you draw a card when an opponent does something, and deal effects where both you and a opponent draw, red has filter draw and impulse draw which let you see more cards but don’t generate card advantage, in black you pay life to draw and often sacrifice to draw
@@graog123 obviously not meant to be taken literally. what are you smoking?
Jund for fun, esper or bant if you want to win. Holds true in every 60-card format.
Tbh I'd say naya or gruul if you wanna pubstomp. Grixis maybe esper for competitive
Because Azorius just wins when you give it a little more of a boost to its finishing potential.
I had a similar experience to the Jetmir example with my Kykar deck. It started as my Locust God deck splashing white and over the course of several years, it became a storm/options deck where I’d end the game with a 5-10 minute turn, casting so many draw spells, free storm counts off red cantrips by sacking the spirits to Kykar, then using a combination of stuff like Aetherflux, Niv Mizzet, Ral Storm Conduit, Psychosis Crawler, and mass instant/sorcery recursion from my graveyard to close out the game. Idk that I’ll ever have another deck I loved solving more than that one. Once I realized any changes I made weren’t servicing the decks optimization anymore, I took it apart. It honestly felt like losing a pet, but now I’m back to building the Locust God. Funny how things come full circle.
Naya is also my favorite color because I love epic creatures and dinosaurs are awesome. As it happens, Jetmir is how I found this love. Honestly, anything that includes Gruul is good for me.
Agreed 3 colours rocks. Funnily enough id say grixis and naya are my two favorites. I do agree grixis is leaning into spells more than creatures but there are also so many unique and interesting builds when running the "villian" colour combo
I think at 5 color you can actually build some of the most interesting decks, exactly because you don't have the color restriction. While people tend to muddy the gameplan by including common cards like rhystic studies, cyclonic rift, smothering tithe etc. some commander like the new eldrazi Azlask enable the sort of deck I've always wanted to try, that is "experience counters".
Others like Tom Bombadil or Tazri encourage you to put all your interaction, carddraw, ramp etc into their specific synergies (saga, creatures with activated abilities) while most Niv-Mizzet have that really interesting deck restriction of only playing cards with all the color pairs.
For me, 3 mana combos are the point where you have access to a lot of the uninteresting "good stuff" but the playpattern is focused around a specific color pair, so most cards from the extra color just tend to be top tier filler. Take Jetmir for example. EDH isn't a perfect measure ofc but a huge percentage of cards played in Jetmir decks are Selesnya. For Yarok it's similar with people mostly playing around Simic. On the other hand, wouldn't it be interesting if you could play every etb card in magic with Yarok? Why is it limited to Sultai?
There are some 3 color commanders I do enjoy because they really work well at pulling together everything you want. Sefris allows access to almost every dungeon card and doesn't care about making tokens, big creatures or going fast.
2 mana tends to feel a lot tighter while 1 mana edh decks are laser-focused on doing one specific thing.
I agree. My favorite color combos are Temur (Blue-Red-Green, a two enemy pair combo; generally landfall) and Abzan (White-Black-Green, another two enemy pair combo; midrange or human tribal).
I agree: Simic is a powerful color pair, and I've found that adding a third color to Simic can allow you to have a sturdy resource infrastructure without being boring.
Budget is also a good consideration: I've found that as long as you have Command tower, a Triome, a way to find that triome, and enough two-colored lands and the bare essential fetchlands, a decent manabase can be built in three colors within a budget, only really splurging for the Triome (I believe this works best in two colors plus green, but two color plus white can also be good)
Jetmir is my favorite commander and I have made dozens of iterations of the deck. For me personally, combining stax with protection and tokens works amazingly. Krenko, Mob Boss and Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Blind Obedience, all great cards.
For three color, my Grixis Pirates precon is pretty easy and stress free to me, but I want to say my Jeskai Soldier tribal is my favorite. I play the Street Fighter commanders, so using Guile a weird choice, but most of the time, I never have to cast him because my deck runs a pretty okay strategy with unique interactions. It's partially a spell slinger for utility and proliferation on charge counters and +1/+1 counters. Resourceful defense is a really hero at times and Nesting Grounds is pretty great too, keeping Guile armed or spamming tutors with War of the Last Alliance. It's not my best deck, but it sure is interesting when it works
I love temur because of the copying effects (miirym, kalamax etc)
I'm quite proud of the way I built Jetmir, land ramp + landfall + mass land 2 creature conversion
Interestingly, I think by changing 1 colour in a shard, you basically philosophically change 2/3rds instead of 1/3rd.
I like looking at shards via the pairs within them:
Grixis = Izzet + Dimir + Rakdos. Very cerebral and tinkery in their speed and passion.
Jund = Gruul + Golgari + Rakdos. Very earthy and physical in their frenzy.
Hence they feel soo different even though its just one colour shift. Totally agree with you, 3 colours are where magic really shines.
Me who loves Naya and have a deck with 3 of the commanders you showed in the video xD
Best for me is Orzhov and Orzhov adjecent, Esper, Mardu, Abzan. Second best being Azorius
You definitely have to try Voja, is the perfect definition of Naya
I love 3 colors. But I think jetmir is quite easy to play against, you kill it or you die ...
Eh, for me it's all about what kind of game plan you can pull together. 3-color is always going to be the most common for that because you get a really wide pool of 3-color cards, as well as 2- and 1-color cards. Like Selesnya tokenball is already great, but if you run it under Jetmir you just get a bunch of powerful red tools without sacrificing the game plan.
Naya is my favorite combination. Grixis and Jeskai are too much fun with the colors they have
"3 colours allows for the largest options for making interesting strategies when deck building"
I agree!
"So landfall-"
💤💤
I love Selesnya 1+ Counters but i have always wanted to upgrade to Naya but i don't know which commander i would even use. Most Naya commanders i feel are either Dinosaurs/Tribal or they are go wide tokens.
Shalai and Hallar looked fun until i realized it is a 2 piece combo deck.
Maybe Brightpalm? but that might just be a flicker deck....
I don't mind either. I usually just build whatever I find interesting, say, for example, the last 5 color Niv-Mizzet requires you to have 2 color permanents to trigger its ability with a cap at 10 since there are only that many pairs in all magic. Which forces you to play around the "meta" or "must haves" in the deck. Overall, I feel that so far, 4 colors are the only commanders that never catch my attention. Aside from that I take them all honestly. 😅
Hello do you help people with deck building ?
In my experience, using three colors is frustrating. Because there're three colors worth of card choices, it really makes choosing and cutting cards really difficult. I've played temur for years and while I enjoyed my time playing that combination, it was relieving when I found a commander in simic that I liked better instead.
Yeah I don’t have any four color decks but I have one five color deck but I tried to purposefully make it as janky as possible just a bunch of random creatures with no real win con but it’s still has been fun every time I’ve played it so far
I love mono colors and 2 colors because of budget reasons... But I do love my Karador, it's my only 3-color deck that I didn't dismantle.
I believe that 3 colors is a bit too broad and somewhat boring, and maybe that’s because I see it so often. I seems like 90% of all commanders are 3 colors, most precons are and a lot of obvious commander cards stuffed into main sets. I like a smaller set of colors like 1-2 colors and they are not done enough especially in precons. Mono blue can be tempo, flyers, artifacts, sea monsters, mill, and probably more that I just haven’t thought of. A lot of these ideas I’d love to see explored. I really liked the Necron commander precon because it was mono black artifact reanimator which I thought was pretty cool and unique, especially because they were all artifacts which is not super common in mono black. Yes you are restricted more but all the more incentive to be creative!
I love three color combos to the point where it’s hard for me to build a commander that *isnt* a three color commander. I mean hell most of the decks I’ve made have been three color
I'm an izzet play at heart who likes to dip into any other colors with red and blue
Honestly, rocco street chef goes crazy tho
What makes zimone better than OG Tatyova?
The colour black? Just guessing, i never played against nor with them.
My favorite color combo is Esper, but I’ve yet to find an esper commander that I actually like 😂
Have you tried Queza, Argur of Agonies? Its my favorite commander and can cause absolute havoc if left unchecked
This comes across as a naive perspective. ALL of the strategies listed as "unique" to Grixis are available in two-colours, for example. Three colour decks cover each individual colour's weakness, meaning you don't have to make any concessions or play around any weaknesses inherent to your colours. The only concession you have to make is forking out for expensive lands if you don't want to play a turn behind for budget concerns For these reasons among others, three colour decks aren't very interesting without self-imposed deckbuilding restrictions IMO.
I'd love to see a followup video in 1-2 years time to see how your perspective evolves.
I personally like Esper and Mardu a lot, after that it comes Naya.
Jetmir representing naya is terrible! (In my opinion) Slapping down a bunch of tokens and winning the game isn't hard. I use Rocco street chef as my commander and there are so many ways to build him and he's such a blast. My theme is play from exile, + 1 counters, food(lifegain) legendary creatures, combo, voltron, group hug! And I still find room for all of the white removal spells LOL
The majority of my decks are 3 color, only one that is multi colored is a 4 and that’s a meme deck.
You repeated yourself at 4:51-53 it sounded like a weird cut not sure if you are aware so wanted to say
I have noticed this trend in a few MTG CZcamsrs who leave in the mistake and just restart what they're saying. Its a little jarring at first but is very human.
Interesting 🤔
Naya, Jeskai, or Temur for me
I just noticed now I have SO MANY FUCKING 3 COLOUR DECKS XD
Team Naya (Dogmeat) and Jeskai (Kasla)
Gruul is best. That is all
The Boros Legion urges you to reconsider your opinion.
@@BrootalMetalBanjo *Smash!*
My pod is 5 people and we play 5 person commander, Each person loves a different color and we all Hate Jacob because the white player is addicted to board wipes. He’s great though always a threat never plays his commander early.
Not a fan of Grixis? Toy around with an Inalla brew.
jetmir seems like the most brainless commander to build
Pantlaza better lol
Nah, 2 colors are the best. You need to work around chokepoints that make deckbuilding fun. 3 colors, specially sultai, are absolute goodstuff.deks. Also, they always break the budget, lands are expensive.
You argue that 5 color lacks creativity but it can do everything your precious 3 colors can plus more. It is your creativity that is lacking not the color's.
I like black, but didn’t really feel like only using one other color. I’ve now leaned towards jund, sultai, mardu
Eh imma guild guy