Dark Routes Ep. 1: The Ruins of Guadalupe
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2023
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At long last, it is finally almost time for the series premier of Dark Routes. In our first episode we will be traveling to an isolated ruin who’s name has long been lost to time. It sits at the top of a 200 foot tall mesa isolated from civilization by countless miles of New Mexican desert. However at one time more than a thousand years ago, this ruin was a small but bustling community that held guard at the farthest eastern reaches of the Chacoan World.
In this video we will begin our dive into deep history. Exploring the ruins themselves, the culture who to whom its inhabitants once belonged and the colossal geologic forces that created this alien landscape crisscrossed with mesas, canyons and washes. Join me as we travel to crumbling mesa and uncover the history of an ancient city today only known as the Ruins of Guadalupe.
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He went from being your substitute teacher video quality to being National Geographic series. The upgrade it’s well deserved. Props to you man!
Milo's transformation into modern day Indiana Jones is now complete, LMAO
@@jocax188723 Indiana Jones with modern archaeological sensibilities :3 love to see it
But the BEST substitute teacher… like the one that makes you so happy when he gets a full time teaching position the next year, and you excitedly tell all your friends to sign up for his class, right?
@@EmpressoftheLoneIslands Most definitely, I mean I learned more from him than I ever did in school!
He went from substitute teacher to the documentary the substitute plays.
See, _this_ is the kind of content that _should_ be on the History Channel.
That's exactly what I was thinking! It has the perfect amount of editing and music and at the same time, he manages to tell a super interesting story that helps people learn from all these places :D
Then Milo got a show on Curiosity Stream and Nebula... just putting it out into the universe.
Skinwalker ranch can suck it
Maybe Milo will be the person to bring history back to the History Channel.🤞
At this point I am just surprised that they don't have anything about flat earther on History Channel, lol and the way these guys are going I wouldn't be surprised if they do soon. lol
As a mixed Indigenous person (Yurok), I always feel like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop when I get into a channel or podcast that deals with history. I cannot explain how refreshing it is to find a history educator who actually listens to us and respects us! Thank you!
❤❤
By the way, is there like, a threshold percentage of indigenous ancestry before you're generally usually considered white? I found out recently that Pocahontas is my cousin 14 times removed, and I'm directly descended from her tribe, but I'm pretty sure I'm way too white to be considered mixed. But I got to wondering, what IS the line?
@@ezachleewright2309I feel like there's probably a website or forum for people in your situation. If it helps, the Powhatan were an alliance of peoples who spoke Virginia Algonquian, so that might be able to help you connect with the contemporary form of their culture.
@ezachleewright2309 Blood Quantum is used by the US government to try to quantify how many "real American Indians" are left. Which is just. The BIGGEST red flag for eugenics. But generally, it's more about how far removed you are from the CULTURE, like were you raised to be connected with the culture of your nation, or are you so disconnected from it that they're strangers?
Also uh. Pocahontas wasn't her real name and she was sold into the marriage as a child. So that's a big oof.
@@mimisezlolThank you!
As an indigenous person, I greatly appreciate how you go about filming in the sacred spaces of our ancestors.
Agreed
I sense some sarcasm, maybe some passive-aggressiveness? Lol
Someone should
Indigenous people are about as real as every other people, should stop calling yourself thst
I’m going to miss the deafening wind from the time before Milo conquered his sound system.
Gone but not forgotten
Ohh u will hear it again.that area of new mexico isn't really that windy.
Adobe AI audio enhancement really is something huh?
He’s gone and learned sound engineering! They grow up so fast 🥲
As an Australian, this is exactly the kind of American history I want to learn more about. Top shit brother.
Agree
As an american, I agree. Why was I taught a ton about rome and greece and none of this in grade school? This is our actual history!
As a European (German), for real! We're all about the Romans and Ancients Greeks here. I mean, I am studying Latin because the language is rad, but still, the Eurocentrism is crazy. I'm also studying Egyptology, though I think the reason we're able to is because it was (and is) so dominated by European scientists
As an Australian, too, I'd love to learn about our native cousins and the civilisations they had before we rocked up. It'd be fascinating.
@@Vgn1701 Don’t be ridiculous you need to learn history, first of all your own, okay and then other people’s.
History is like language: you cannot live in a country without learning the language of that country unless you’re as stupid as an asss or as a log or you want to behave as an enemy; you cannot live anywhere without learning the local language and culture, that is a must.
Learning the local history is exactly the same ; as long as you are a citizen of a country you’ll have 3 obligations: to abide the laws of that country, to speak the language of that country, and to know the history of that country .
Of course only if you want to live there ; if you don’t like that , then you should move to the country to which you would prefer to belong and learn that country’s laws, language and history.
You need to learn about Greek and Roman empires if you live in Germany and in many other places because without Greek and Roman architecture not even the skyscrapers in Beijing or Singapore or Dubai could have been built - believe it or not.
Without Greek democracy you wouldn’t have any freedoms in Germany or in Canada or in Argentina or in India because the ancient Greeks invented democracy about 2000 years ago, nobody else.
Democracy wasn’t imposed anywhere by anyone, it was the choice of the people.
Citizens wanted democracy, they made that decision.
That’s why you’re learning the history of Greek and Roman empires, because Rome for example was a republic for 500 years before Jesus Christ was even born, imagine that!
It took for other countries 2000 years to understand what a democracy or a republic is, after the Romans made one for 5 centuries.
Romans also invented the social security system, the roads, fountains, apeducts to bring water from far away to a city; they helped the poor with certain amount of food and money and even wine from the state budget; they invented public housing also invented city planning , they invented stadiums, public baths, public toilets, bridge-building, thermal water treatments, and the modern code of laws that at least 100 countries use today!
Many constitutions of many countries are based on what we learned from the Romans and Greeks, even in Asia and even in Africa today.
The Greeks invented high schools and gyms and your Olympics and philosophy and sculpture and theatre and amphitheatres.
The modern stadiums from Mongolia to Zimbabwe and from Buenos Aires to Stockholm are copied after them.
And that was their choice nobody imposed that on them, they wanted to create all these and if you’re curious to know why, study history and you will learn why.
You need to learn this shit, it’s really important.
This is really what Americans need. Not just pride in what they have, but solemn respect for what came before. We need to tread lightly on the ground that was loved long before we got here
Sorry, plagues of war and conquistadors laid the groundwork. That will never happen
@@chrism8180 what
@@gormauslander you can not pay respect to what came before you, because it was destroyed though war and conquest.
@@chrism8180speak for yourself
@@chrism8180?? The spanish in north america had very small settlements and religious missions that literally only traded and helped with the natives. It was the English who wiped out entire tribes 😂
I’m glad you decided to visit here! I actually am part Puebloan and this ruin is right by one of my family’s ranches in New Mexico so I was pretty surprised to see you cover it. Seeing my history be showcased is really important to me. Keep up the good work!
My great gma was mixed Dine` and Puebloan. I got chills watching this. From one science communicator to another, thank you for the respect and attention you are giving to our history.
You noted some textured sherds -- I'm an artist who is into ceramics, and the way those ancient pots were made is a coil building method wherein each half inch of clay coil is pinched onto the row below. So in that texture you are seeing the actual finger marks of the maker. Fascinating stuff if you're into pottery! Milo, this series is amazing! Can't wait to see the rest of the episodes.
Very interesting! Is the inside smooth like most pottery?
It’s amazing how they even figured out how to make stuff like that
@@hudsontoo1212just humans being himan and noticing their pottery is better one way than another, and passing it on. Why learn the hard way if you can have someone teach you something that's already proven to work? Culture is just crowd-sourced knowledge and skills.
@@CaleOglesby you an see as he turns the pieces in his hand that yes, the inside is smoothed out and the texture remains only on the outside
Thank -you Vanson.
Milo, I have been a long-time subscriber and am so very happy to see this channel and community grow. I think you have truly had such a positive effect on critical thinking in this younger generation and can be proud of your impact!! I can’t thank you enough for your humorous, engaging videos!! Really hoping that a major network sees the incredible production value of this channel and signs you up for a true to fact archaeology series!! You’d be my vote to do travel docu work with the BBC or PBS!
It wouldn't be possible without your support! If and when I get a call from BBC or PBS, you all will be the first to know! And if Netflix reaches out? You'll be the first to know I told them they can bite me.
im happy to have joined the community a few months ago
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That’s based, love it.
Couldn’t have said it better
I'm so glad to be a part of your community!
This was very interesting, as a descendant of the Laguna Pueblo and a citizen of the Navajo Nation. Seeing sherds of pottery that look just like the intact ones passed down to me from my family was an amazing feeling. The way you talk about my ancestors and our culture ( negating the "Empire" part) was so refreshing to see. I have personally been asked by classmates and even close friends if my tribe still exists, and are astonished when I tell them we have our own president, congress, and legal system.
Thank you for your respectful overview about the people who feel like my long-lost family.
When he showed such intrigue and eagerness to teach about Indigenous history, my heart skipped and sank for a bit when he chose to use the word "empire". I know it was meant to be figurative, but oof that was poor.
@@Azby64 then what should he have called it? you said it was poor to call it that but really the word works. he's just speaking about the area they inhabited. obviously its not an empire but at least give a suggestion to what he can call it.
@@raptorsnap1738perhaps nation, empire is “a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.” As far as we know the people were self governed. You could claim the Aztecs (Nahua) were an empire because they did have a ruler (Moctezuma, Chauahtemoc etc…).
Greetings cousin! Mexican Pima/Opata descendant in the house 😊
@@user-6K38d95gfH perhaps didn’t even invent the wheel yet hahaha 😂
Gearing up to be an amazing trip.
this is a crazy crossover! two of the best ppl on youtube rn
Omg plz plz collab
The production quality upgrade is insane. This is basically TV show quality.
For CZcams you should divide it into 15min or less parts. Love ❤️ the content but for CZcams algorithms it’s 15 or less unfortunately. Just break it into more parts better for views.
@@williampisano7573At the same time, increasing the amount of episodes reduces the view count
@@williampisano7573there's multiple videos on this channel well over 30 minutes that have several million views.
Well, it might, except the reduction would be over 2 videos instead of 1. I don't think it's a bad suggestion but it's good to know it's one that isn't needed. Glad to see the funding going to production.
This is better than TV in my opinion... It depends what exactly you mean by _"TV"._ I think the information and realism is not matched on television.
It’s very rare you find a CZcamsr who admits they don’t know much about a topic or aren’t in a position to fully teach about it and encourages people who know more to share what they know in the comments so you can get a better source of information. It’s really nice to find someone who truly only cares about educating people and sharing their love for something.
And sometimes, that love can spread. You’re the reason I’m gonna study archaeology once I graduate!
Thank you ❤❤
As a mixed indigenous person, i sincerely thank you for the care, and respect shown here to sacred sites from other tribes. This is what History Channel should be about.
As a Hopi tribe member I'd like to add that Kivas can also be rectangular/square shaped as well, like ours! Hopi Kivas are very similar and have a great sacred importance to us as well, to this day we still do ceremonies in them and our culture is still very much alive! I love that you are doing a little documentary about these pueblo cultures, would love to see one about the Hopi people! I am from Kykotsmovi Arizona on the Hopi reservation and I'm very proud of it! Thank you for the great vid!
Seeing Milo contend with the remoteness and inaccessibility of the ruins makes me think of a flag I once saw that said "We do this not because it's easy, but because we thought it would be easy." Thanks for going the extra mile for this series Milo!
I had no idea whatsoever that North America was home to such complex interconnected civilizations as this. Very enlightening. Can't wait for episode 2.
Honestly, one of the most interesting things in North America is the very early use of copper, and not in small quantities either. The great lakes area had among the earliest use of copper in the world and not many people know of it. The only place I know that used copper earlier was the Levant.
For some reason though, there was only one place in the Americas that invented bronze and that was in South America, the Pumu Punku that according to rather high and not very reliable people was used by aliens as a space port. Somehow I think that is less interesting then the fact that they invented arsenic bronze there (the only other place that did so was Eastern Europe).
But I guess the reason is that most tin in North America is in Alaska with smaller deposits in the Midwest and west while the large copper deposits are in the North east and around the great lakes so bronze would be way harder to find by accident then in a place like Cyprus that have both metals on a relative small island.
But there is certainly plenty of interesting civilizations in North America from Canada and Alaska in the north to Mexico in the south. Most of the more northern didn't leave so much buildings after them though even if some like the Pueblo people and the Mississippian culture certainly did leave some very interesting ruins.
If you can't wait for the next video I can recommend the channel Ancient Americas www.youtube.com/@AncientAmericas
They have a video on Chaco Canyon and lots on meso America.
Check out Cahokia too
That's because there has been a very wide civilization of humanity since very ancient times, since near the end of the last ice age actually.
That's because there has been a very wide civilization of humanity since very ancient times, since near the end of the last ice age actually.
I am so happy to see Milo blossom into the archeological version of Carl Sagan. 🎉🎉
Kind of Carl Sagan, with a splash of Hunter S. Thompson 😄
That's a great way to put it
I get Milo’s desire to learn EVERYTHING in connection to a specific thing. There is so much context to a thing, a time, a moment that the thing shared, and sometimes one of those other pieces of context changes the whole view.
As someone who grew up absolutely hating most of my history classes in Highschool, I’m glad for Milo putting in all this effort to make actually interesting historical content that I absolutely love to sink into. It’s 5:30 in the morning for me and I’m huddled by my window in a jacket with a large tea and a smoke and just taking in all the information. It makes me feel like a studious old professor sitting by his window with historical texts reading late into the night.
Highschool had a knack for taking the fascinating and interesting, then rendering it down to uninteresting facts to be regurgitated on a test. Tests that would then be used as a dubious metric in a specious notion of gauging how well people were learning.
@@maeve615dubious is an awesome word.
Thars just because new mexico history is just the best state history.
You're a legend, I literally feel like clapping. This is so great. I especially liked how you struck a balance between being respectful but not overbearing with the preamble regarding the importance of these sites to the current culture. I found this thoroughly enjoyable and can't wait to see the rest of the series. Bravo for putting this together 🎉❤
That is heartfelt praise my friend. I am glad to hear it comes across with the tone I was intending. Speaking with intent is more important than many give it credit for. This story is just the beginning 💪
@@miniminuteman773it might not be a bad idea to get in contact with ghost town living... He lives in Cerro Gordo, California and the whole place is basically right out of the late 1800s... Would offer good opportunities for the later years of what this series will be, as well as offer some really good ability to get into the geology due to the fact that the Cerro Gordo silver mine was the biggest and most profitable silver mine in the country
@@miniminuteman773man it's silly but I feel so proud of your rapid development, to be able to produce a series of such great quality. Awesome delivery, graphics and content. Awesome
The camera quality, production value and just its general directing is spectacular. Ten years ago the discovery Channel would use 100 people and a couple hundred thousand to make a show anything like this.
This whole show is down right gorgeous. Higher production value than most Netflix shows lately. More people need to see this. Cant wait for more
A professor of mine actually went to Chaco Canyon. Just some current events for you all, as someone who works in the world of NAGPRA and tribal consultation, the Navajo recently made claim of and received heritage recognition for the canyon, which was previously just held by the Hopi. Of course, what we understand as heritage in federal law is very different from reality, given that tribal overlap in the past was way more homogeneous than we understand from a western lenses, but it’s an interesting matter nonetheless.
Side note: Also, thanks for the explanation of the proper educate with handling sherds at sites. A lot of people go to locations like the one you showed in the video today and cause damage they may not even be aware of. It’s good to get that information out in the world.
Hi, former employee of Chaco here (archaeologist) and currently working in NAGPRA, this isn’t quite correct. Claims were not only held by the Hopi, this is misinformation. I heavily caution anyone speaking on any of the NAGPRA at Chaco without giving a ton of background information and context. It is a very complex and nuanced situation, and is still delicate.
Side note for Milo: hi! Love the direction your context is going. I would just caution you with a few of your statements about Chaco and the people of Chaco. Many of the Pueblos do not like the use of Chacoan in reference to people, please consider using it for the archaeology and not the people. Additionally, we do know who the descendants of Chaco are, so just a heads up that some of the literature on Chaco is not always the most accurate or respectful to Indigenous peoples.
@@hollypop368 Hey, thanks! I’m glad you actually commented that to clear it up a little. Chaco is not my area of expertise at all, it was just something I had learned about. I do agree though that it’s a complex and nuanced matter, and I am interested in learning more about it. I only knew the one half I’m afraid. I’m interested in knowing who else had claim to Chaco aside from Hopi and Navajo. I know that can be messy, since recognition only falls to federally recognized tribes, and there are of course far more groups that would have claim that don’t have the recognition to receive it.
I absolutely love that you've named your trusty steed Mithra, for there is no truer friend in the desert than the one who bears you safely through it.
It blows my mind how people don’t realize how good someone can get at something if they spend their whole lives doing it
I believe we all know that. That's the basis of life.
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I dunno, I think it contributes to our bafflement at structural/creative feats and our hesitation to accept failure.
I live in the southwest area and it's good to see people finally telling the stories about the lost empires in northern America!!!
I couldn't agree more, it's incredible to see some of the examples of pre-history presented in such a clear way. For reasons we won't get into here, the pre-history of my own tribe, and most others represented within Oklahoma are no where near where we, and they, now call home. Milo's story is highlighting that for many of us, we don't even know what we don't know.
Dude, loving the production upgrades.
You earned it
Loving the lessons you're able to weave into stories with fact
Nice change of pace in this time
Watching this video come together was surreal. It's insane to be making things now that have animations, reconstructions and intros with a whole creative team. I really am over the moon that this is even a possibility. Now to just keep running with it.
@@miniminuteman773 Please never stop as long as you walk this earth. Your videos are fantastic and I can feel your energy and ruthless love of history in every video. You deserve this chapter in your life! Much love brother!
@@miniminuteman773 the quality of your production is equally surreal, you're right to be proud!
@@miniminuteman773how do you film drone shots of yourself?
It’s so awesome to learn that the respectful thing to do is to leave sherds or arrowheads on site for other visitors to enjoy. I love the things this channel teaches us. Thank you, Milo. I hope you’re having a kickass day.
I'd have to take pictures lol
@@LaynieFingers That's totally allowed : )
Not just for other people to enjoy. That's just kind of a side benefit.
@@Erin-000 I guess they meant putting all the pottery in one place, for others to enjoy. :)
Arrowheads you were supposed to leave where you found them, pottery shards are fine to collect somewhere for others to look at.
My family has preserved oral traditions from our Cherokee roots.
From my nana I learned a lot about Cherokee life and history.
In school we learned a number of indigenous tribes like the Navajo.
But we never learned that many of the SW tribes all rooted to this one civilization.
You did an excellent job teaching and documenting. Respect earned 💯
Your animator did awesome work on that intro. The aesthetic is incredible, thenrythym of it, it's just gorgeous. Absolutely brings another level to your work, IMO, and this video shows a lot of promise for the series. All of it is just a lush well woven experience from sound to effects to content.
By far the best thing I've seen from you.
2 years ago he was debunking a dumbass who was amazed by nature but thought it was a damn ancient Egyptian globe spanning empire. And now to a full series about the hidden history and geology of a country I’ve never been to. I’ll say it I’d love to see more. I think you’ve fulfilled your promise of turning this channel into something. Good job man keep it going
Your animator did such a great job. Love the digital recreations.
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While your presentation of your peregrinations shows personality and character, which is both highly enjoyable and, in my opinion, very professional of you, the scientific rigor essential to the treatment of the fascinating subjects you tackle does not suffer in the least. Following your You Tube channel (I'm far too old to use any other form of social networking), I often find myself regretting that I didn't pursue my archaeology studies in the past, and that my teachers at the time didn't have the talent to communicate an enthusiasm comparable to yours during the courses I took at the Sorbonne University.
And your motto, "Remain curious", gives me the goose bumps because it's been mine since 1986 and, on a personal level, I attribute the cruel lack of open-mindedness that dominates our world to a general lack of curiosity.
As someone who, on Sunday walks in the French or Irish countryside, is fascinated by the barely perceptible traces of an ancient burial mound, the almost indistinguishable remains of a protohistoric round house, the three-quarters-buried remains of a village abandoned during the Black Death of 1347, or the traces of successive civilizations on a given site, your work is a refreshing breath of fresh air.
Bravo, with all my heart and head, your exuberance serves science far better than all the seriousness of the academic mandarins I once had the dubious privilege of frequenting.
Lovely comment, I agree with your sentiments! This series is great, and the method of execution might awaken some new interest in archeology among people. I think a little knowledge of archeology goes far in stimulating a newfound joy in your surroundings. I live in a 600 year old house myself, and the streets in my town are equally as old, and it’s wonderful seeing those little, distinctly human quirks like a finger mark in an old paintjob around. Humanizing history is where it’s at, and Milo does a great job at it. No stuffy bored people, but people like Milo who have a great love for their field, so much they make extensive CZcams videos about it. It’s just great to see such passion, no matter the topic.
Holy crap i love this crossover between (canadian) social studies and archeology giving off history's version of bill nye vibes
Back in the 1960s people went on motorcycle trips trying to find "America". Now, 60 years later, Milo's actually found it. And he's going to show it to us. I hope you realize how big a cultural capstone this is, in addition to being a personal one. We are a richer people for what you have done.
I can't get over how cool that bike looks. Its like you're an archeological ghost rider protecting ancient artifacts from time
Spirit of Vengeance? Nah. Spirit of Discovery.
Omg! Daskalos did a reaction video to this! Milo, please please please talk with him about this stuff! He’s an archeologist in this area of the world.
Damn, Milo. You really have a knack for aesthetics. The framing device of a dude on a motorcycle just driving around and indulging his fascination with history is the kind of image that accomplishes some of what Indiana Jones did for our generation. It's something that can immediately grab a person on sight and help them foster curiosity they never knew they had.
You're really on to something here.
Your ascension has been so rapid that I blew straight passed envy and a tinge of jealousy to absolute delight and admiration for what you are doing. Mad love from Oz mate.
Can’t wait! Hope everyone is having a good week so far:)
You too!
In gaza
@@arghadeb9180 may Allah SWT have mercy upon you all
Oh, same to you. Thanks
Yea
The speech at the start about not wanting to specialize and to know everything hits home hard.
You're really hitting your stride now. I can feel the sense of purpose and meaning in this project. It makes me excited to wonder what stories of the ancient world are around me over here in Appalachia.
That intro was so sweet. We need milo to take over the History Channel, ASAP.
I agree
It would be great if Milo were able to bring history back to the History Channel.
What a cool site! The pottery sherds were so beautiful. As a historian, it always bothers me that people don't realize the extensive culture and actual architecture that existed here before Europeans showed up. Even though people know there were indigenous people already here, they tend to think of them as living in tipis, not stone and wood structures. It's sad that these ancient cultures seem to not be a part of the consciousness of Americans. Looking forward to more stops on your journey. Maybe you can do another series like this back east, and touch on the Mound culture of West Virginia, etc. Great job, Milo.
I also watch the archeological series Time Team, which does digs in the UK. One citizen from the USA commented once 'Too bad we don't have such an extensive history to dig up, Time Team wouldn't work in the USA because we're such a young country' and i'd just /facepalm. There's been human habitation in North America / Turtle Island for twice as long as in Great Britain.
Possibly stupid question: have agricultural chamges and invasive species made the arid regions of North America less productive than pre-European? I remember some doco about fencing off a patch of arid dryland against mice, rats, rabbits, goats, etc for 5 years and the difference in vegetation was insane both in biomass and the variety of species surviving the sprouting period.
@@weerwolfproductions Wow, what a comment! I love Time Team, I'm a huge fan. But that is, of course, a good example my point - for some reason, hardly anyone is taught what rich cultures were here pre-1600's.
@@williamchamberlain2263 Hmm, I don't know exactly if it was invasive species, but without looking it up, it sounds probable to me. And of course, there are many different climates in North America, so the same thing hasn't happened everywhere. There was a time that much of N. America was covered by an ice sheet, which retreated roughly 20,000 years ago. So there would have been cooler and wetter conditions that gradually turned more and more arid. We do know that invasive non-native species can wreak havoc on ecosystems, so it's entirely possible that things have changed for that reason, in many places. I'm pretty sure I've learned of that happening on the prairies. I also know that the Chaco Canyon area once had some trees, thousands of years ago, but the Chacoan people gradually depleted them and then had to get the trees they needed from the mountains. The area was never a dense forest, but it did have some trees. So human activity contributed to changes there. The environment responds to the kinds of changes that humans make. You're putting me to the test, because my specialty is mediaeval Northern Europe! So you'll have to fact check me.
@@williamchamberlain2263 As far as I know, species of mice, rabbits etc were native to North America and they have predator species that keep them under control. Problem is that humanity has generally looked upon other predator species as competitors. A nice example is the difference of behaviour between farmers in the neighbouring provinces of Groningen and Friesland in The Netherlands. Both have large areas of dairy farms. But in Friesland, farmers (illegally) kill off birds of prey and foxes. For years now they have a mice infestation they can't get rid off. The Frisian dairy farmers mistakenly uphold the fiction that birds of prey like buzzards and sea eagles slay lambs and calfs - they don't, but they will eat carrion so can be seen sitting on dead lambs and calves. In the province of Groningen the farmers are far less conservative and they have left the birds of prey alone. So there's this rough line between the two provinces, with a mice infestation on one side (Friesland), and no mice infestation on the other (Groningen).
Long story short: I think it'll have depended on the human inhabitants' behaviour more than the existance of species whether an area would be detrimentally affected by certain non-predator species - which in turn would impact productivity of crops especially.
Another major contributing factor to increasing aridity is, funnily enough, irrigation. Evaporating water 'closes off' the ground underneath with a layer of minerals and that will eventually make it impossible (too 'salty') for crops to grow. No roots to keep the soil down = desertification. In Northern Africa in certain areas on the edges of the Sahara the local population has switched back from western agriculture that relied on irrigation, to native agriculture that relied on shade from deep-rooted trees to protect the land below them from the sun. Villagers keep farm animals and grow crops in the shade of the trees in narrow strips and they've managed not only in halting desertification in their area, but have reclaimed strips of the desert as arable land.
I absolutely love the roads, literally can't get simpler and more sensible than "Wanna go there? Go fucking straight"
Thank you so much Milo. We have thousands of media coverage of ancient ruins from everywhere all over the world...but the US has nothing...until now. Dont stop bro!
This isn’t just informative, this is art.
Ahh I’ve been having the same problems in my art history class, we aren’t really taught about any of the cultural and historical context to the pieces we look at and it’s really frustrating for me. For example we learned that the beginning of Japanese porcelain tradition was practically identical to Korean porcelain, but we didn’t learn the why, I had to figure that out myself which is because Korean potters where taken prisoner at the end of the sengoku period in japans fail invasion of Korea
Huh I’m Japanese and didn’t know that! Japanese sign language is mutually intelligible with Korean sign language (and Taiwanese sign language) for a similar reason, when Imperial Japan occupied Korea & Taiwan (1900’s?) they set up schools for the deaf/hard of hearing that were taught by teachers that previously taught at the deaf schools in Japan.
I have been loving a early medeval art history I am taking. I thought “oh this will be easier because of the subject it’s Europe”. We have been focusing more on Constantinople and the Middle East and byzantines. Especially at first. So much of the focus has been on that side and I love it. I didn’t know like anything before. Now I want to learn more. I had no clue about any of it. I had no clue about the Umayyads or anything. I love how much we have been focusing on the historical context of objects and architecture. I had no clue how connected everything was. Or even about iconoclasm and the amount of times it happened. And
It's 3:25 AM, and i just found one of my new favorite channels.
The level of production and quality throughout the video is outstanding! Absolutely cannot wait for more!
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A great start to what I'm certain will be an incredible series. You and your team have outdone yourselves!
Don't you know that getting your channel big is when to start phoning it in? This is FAR too exciting and well produced!
Content like this is the reason I have not abandoned the internet yet.
I came to this channel for Awful Archaeology, I stayed for content like this. THIS is the kind of content CZcams was made for.
As european, your channel and this series is really my first time learning about pre-columbian North America and I can't be more thrilled! Especially that i'm not really interested in war and military history, that has our school system in chokehold (and other things like history of economy and habits its just footnotes to Very Important War Criminals and Battles TM) and you show this sites and talk so beautifly and without making me feel like stupid. Thank you Milo
The production value on this video is absolutely insane compared to everything else y'all have made over on the Miniminuteman team in the past year. Kudos to everybody working on this series! Can't wait to watch every episode as they release 🙏
This needs more attention this is what I want when it comes to history.
Been eager to watch this since the moment of upload. Gotta say, you are absolutely gifted at this, as a presenter and director. The intro and other storytelling are fantastic. The shots are fantastic. The editing, music, visuals, timing, all fantastic. I'm so happy that we live in an era of the internet where you can decide to do exactly what you want to do and rely directly on fan support, with no middlemen like TV networks claiming creative control or limiting your options or hindering your style. I truly believe creators like you and patreon-models are the future of not just high quality freely available education, but also the future of high quality science. Thank you for what you do, please never stop as long as it brings you joy, and please never let anyone make you compromise or second-guess yourself.
The art is wicked sick
I wanna play like a deep rpg that uses that kind of style
Bro thanks for letting us learn & live vicariously through you.
Quite. That vicarious element is, for some people, of immeasurable value.
My life is now lived on a cheap mattress, on my back.
I've an inherited neurological disorder that really kicked in in my late 20s.
My greatest pleasures in life came from reading and exploring the history, the art and architecture and so forth of wherever I lived or travelled to.
I can't even read anymore.
However, I can move my right hand. It rests on my stomach, and holds a mouse connected to a PC I'm able to see.
With that set up, the wonders of modern technology, and the kindness and intelligence of people who put wonderful videos on CZcams, my life isn't merely bearable, I enjoy it greatly. Still.
But I am so in debt to Milo and the people like him (though he's damned unique in all the best ways) , be they individuals who create content from their small flat, scholars from universities, or large organisations like the USGS.
(I do make a lot of spelling & grammar mistake which I don't always correct, though. Sorry for those above. )
@greenman6141 no worries bro. I'm not much of a religious guy, so I won't lie and say I'm praying for you. But I can muster up all the good vibes I can and ask the universe to deliver them to you. Hope things get better homie 🙏
Absolutely incredible, Milo. There is so much history underneath our feet that people just don't know about. The world needs more people like you. Seriously. The sheer depth of your knowledge on things like this is beyond words.
that bike is so cool i can’t get over it
If you haven't heard from them already, I'd imagine you'll have the folks from Nebula blowing up your phone in the coming weeks.
The production value is just incredible. This series will truly be a lasting masterpiece of edutainment.
Awesome showcasing these ruins! As a New Mexican myself, the amount of culture we draw from these civilizations, lost and remaining, is astonishing. But what I find crazy is thay despite the time that has passed since these places being bussling centers and the one I'm from being one, some of the construction materials remain the same. Rock walls, and even rock fireplaces in homes really show that.
Greetings from New Mexico!
Two experts that work in incredibly niche areas of study going at each other professionally will never not be incredibly entertaining
I only just found your channel from random shorts on debunking idiots
Loving these videos now
I love visiting ancestral Puebloan sites. As a resident of the Southwest and frequent visitor of Arizona and Utah, I’ve had the opportunity to visit a few of these sites the past couple of years. Near Pheonix there are some interesting sites that I’ve been to like Sears Key ruins, Montezuma’s Castle, Montezuma’s Well (a beautiful natural well with some impressive ruins), as well as the famous Meza Verde ruins in Colorado. I highly recommend visiting these sites to anyone visiting the American Southwest.
Furthermore, I recommend visiting the beautiful petroglyphs in the Southwest like the McConkie petroglyphs, Newspaper rock, V bar V heritage site, and more. They are always incredible to see.
As an aspiring worldbuilder, storyteller, and general lover of anthropology as a whole, this and your other content is some genuinely incredible work. I can't wait to see where you go next.
(also I love your bike)
(Also, we love your bike.)
I just gotta say, that thumbnail goes hard. Like the color matching, the outfit, the skeleton bike its all just awesome.
This should replace much of the content on History Channel. Absolutely outstanding.
Sailing in Norway but will still try to watch this live!
Especially excited about this as a geologist!! Those sedimentary rocks in the intro look gorgeous.
2 minutes and 57 seconds in and this is already better than anything I’ve watched on the history channel or any other show I’ve seen in the past 10 years
It is incredibly impressive to have roads in a civilization stretching across hundreds of miles without horses or any other riding animals. What the Chacoans and Inca accomplished is amazing!
My only issue with this is having to wait for other eps….
Not only is it interesting, well done and informative, but you can see he’s got a lot of passion for what he’s talking about so it makes me happy he’s able to touch these things and be in such places
Very exited for other eps and hopefully this is a first in something much bigger, dude deserves this 🖖
Damn, it was too short! Absolutely priceless content you're putting out. Your respect and curiosity, knowledge and humor.. *chefs kiss*. Can't wait for more!
The production value is out of this world
I love your broad approach as a sort of geo-archaeology! A combination of your videos and an archaeology field school and various natural history youtube channels inspired a deep interest in the interconnectivity between a lot of things, primarily the history of the land, but in how geologic history and landforms have shaped not just humans and culture, but also every part of ecology, both historical (paleontological) and modern. Your channel has shown me that I don't have to focus on a specific thing, but rather choose to study how all of them are specifically connected, because the various details come together to build a big picture. And also the investigation and putting together the big stories is great.
Separate note. I appreciate your approach because geology shapes the kinds of materials and landscapes and climate people have to live with, as well as the kinds of plants that evolve which also affect how the people live and develop culture. Case studies about that will always be interesting and I look forward to, in the next decade, doing multiple majors and a ton of academic work involving these connections.
Damn, this is super interesting and I love the quality increase, REALLY excited for the eventual return of awful archaeology
Kudos to your editors and visual effects pros. Looks amazing!
I’ll never get tired of you finding pottery and going in depth about why it’s so special and important
I'd say you have picked a discipline- science communication and archeology education. Good job man❤
I am a 22yo marine engineer, which is a career I wouldn't say I love. So seeing Milo do what he loves inspires me. Keep doing what you love brother.
You still have plenty of time to figure it all out. Dont let the crushing weight of the workforce convince you that you dont deserve a career you love.
So freaking proud of you, Milo! This was a massive undertaking. Thank you for continuing to share your knowledge and passion for the world’s historical remnants.
Thank you Milo, I am obviously of European ancestry, but think it is long past time to start educating myself and others on the vast and rich history of the people's who were here before us, and are still with us.
I love that there are archeologists who are willing to in-fill sites to preserve for furure better methods. We as a species are so often more prone to destruction and this respect is refreshing.
I had doubts about the visual effects during the announcement but i see now that i was very much wrong, this all looks great!
Great job team!
That bike looks sick as hell
it's so insane and awesome to me that these structures, incredible feats of engineering in their own right, were built like 1000 years ago and they're just...still there. Like these walls and roads and handholds lasted a millennia and you can still walk their roads and climb their ladders and enter their doors. That's some incredible architecture.
BROOOOOOO THE FERAL SCREAMING I HAVE UNLEASHED IS WILD
I grew up in West Virginia, where we had the Mound Builders. So I was aware of the peoples who lived here long before the Europeans "discovered" America. Since then, I have lived in Arizona, Wyoming and now New Mexico, not that far from Chaco Canyon. Being handicapped, a lot of these sites are beyond my abilities to visit. Thank you for showing them to me! I am so excited for this trip!
sometimes when its late at night i turn the quality down on your videos and squint and pretend your a little ferret man and it makes me happy
Im so happy for you Milo. Look at all you've done, people you've inspired, bullshit you've debunked, all in a really short amount of time.
i absolutely cant believe yt didnt reccomend me this yet, ive been binging your content for a week straight
This and a new Dan Carlin "Hardcore History" on the same day tremendous.
This series already looks fantastic.
Wonderful video, I loved the part at 7:14 where he says "and"
edit: I just now got the notification that the premire was live
Just checked. I say "oceanic." Your odds were good with that guess tho.
@@miniminuteman773 nobody will know if i just edit the comment right
The tumbleweed in the beginning thought it was gonna be a boring history lesson, until he saw it was Milo and sat down for a listen.
Thank you so much for acknowledging the indigenous lands and respecting their culture 🙏🏼