True Size of a Byzantine Army [c. 900 AD] 3D DOCUMENTARY
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A history documentary on the True Size of a Byzantine Army of the Thematic Reforms. We begin the episode with the broad trends of the era which had seen the Roman army transform from legions of heavy infantry to a more eastern, cavalry centric force. This system would face additional shakeups with the advent of the Thematic Reforms which moved from a fully professional force to one of rotating levies. We spend some time discussing the structure of the Themes and how its denizens were called up for war.
Next we introduce the basic soldier types of the Byzantine Army before then organizing them into the ever increasing building blocks of this later Roman army. Finally, once the army is build, we cover its Roman army camp, its army march column, and its deployment in battle.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:27 Thematic Reforms
05:10 Soldiers
07:01 Kontoveriai (10)
09:26 Allaghion (50)
10:22 Vanda (200)
12:12 Infantry and Archers
13:08 Droungos (1000)
14:11 Tourma (3000)
16:55 Theme (9000)
18:45 Army Analytics
20:16 Army Camp
22:03 Army March
25:22 Army Deployment
28:15 Outro
Sources:
A Tenth-Century Byzantine Military Manual: The Sylloge Tacticorum by Georgios Chatzelis
Warfare, State and Society in the Byzantine World, 565-1204 by John Haldon
Byzantium and Its Army, 284-1081 by Warren T. Treadgold
Byzantine Armies 886-1118 by Osprey Publishing
The Byzantine Army by Charles River
Credits:
Research = Sophia Ware
Script = Sophia Ware
Narration = Guy Michaels
Artwork = Penta Limited
#history
#documentary
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How long are these links active? I'm quite tight until the 25th...
@@Papadragon18 The promo should run for about 30 days I believe
@@InvictaHistory Aight, thank you kindly. :)
what are we to make of the ratio of 2 wagons for every mule?
Bro you should look at Byzantium before 7th century not after. After 7th century and colossal second defeat of the unnecessary battle of Yarmuk where some thousands less than 5 survive and rest all die then few years later Egypt was lost it crushed the demographics of the one third remaining.
Their army is lecturely as big as a skirmish in China. Like they only survived due to Constantinople walls.
They didn't recover from Yarmuk until centuries later time leading to first crusade then they got b slaped by Turks for good.
The Byzantine period is criminally underrated in every field of study and media
Agreed. Justinian gets covered a lot but that's about it. Like the iconoclast vs iconiphile thing was a big part of Irene's reign but it doesn't really get talked about. And after Irene they basically get ignored altogether other than the 4th crusade and generic "they were a slowly dying nation" comments.
Criminally? I don’t think you understand what a criminal is.
@@michaelturner5050 I don't think you understand what exaggeration is
@@bxzidffbxzidff so he’s exaggerating when he says something is illegal or criminal when it’s not? I don’t think you know what exaggeration means.
True. Even in Bulgaria Byzantine history used to be studied in greater detail in the past and it's a tendency I do not like despite all the wars that took place... That's all history.
Loved working on this. It's always so cool to see the final work and the art/animation is improving with every new video. Recorded back in January, it just goes to prove how much work goes into creating these great documentaries. So, well done to all and thanks to the audience for supporting the team and its vision. Guy
Man I love your voice acting its so perfectly fit for this stuff, I wonder if you ever get asked to do a video and get sucked into what you're talking about and like do your own research on it
If you loved working on it as much as you imply, please go back and properly change the title and references of Byzantium to Rome as Byzantium never existed, No roman would have ever called themselves that, and it was a name/term created after there fall. I find it shameful that "so much work" can go into a historical account of something and then someone like the name of the empire and people is wrongfully used.
@@leojordan5119thanks, yes I often get sucked into a wormhole on CZcams and end up watching loads of stuff around the subjects
Your voice is great, but the way you say things is rly fantastic. Hope to keep hearing you on these vids!
@@lukasmadrid1945very kind
A few of the ranks or unit names are still in use today in the Hellenic armed forces. Great video!
If only basileus Constantine 11th had the help he request right before the fall they would’ve won , they had the power and faith but were out numbered 200,000 to 2 million or even more the king even removed his metals and dressed like a normal soldier and famously said “I’m going to god”
Finally an amazing sponsor for one of these videos!!
Victrix folks are awesome and I definitely want to do more with them. If I could I'd have them sponsor 100% of our videos. But thats only possible if you guys end up making purchases of the minis. Which I think is definitely something you should consider cause they are genuinely awesome!
@@InvictaHistory I told all my friends who are into it about them for ya, shared your link. Might get you a bit of custom.
Well, lovely to see that Victrix are doing well enough to do sponsorships! They do make some lovely stuff, and their plastics are very easily workable, so it's easy to mod them. I'm on-and-off working on a battle of Argentoratum army using their miniatures. The discount comes rather conventiently, considering I will need to get both more infantry, and eventually have a crack at their Cataphacts.
One of the best series on YT. Really happy that we got a Byzantine Army added to this! Would love to see a breakdown for any of these as well! Tang Dynasty, Rashidun/Umayyad, Gupta Empire, Manchu/Qing, Timurids, large Viking Fleet, Axumite Invasion Force of Yemen (early 6th Century), Carolingian, Attila's Royal Hunnic + Germanic Force, Magyar Army, Ottoman, Mughals, and or (First) Crusader Army. Might even be able to get Jackmeister to collab on an Army of the Golden Horde as well
Keep up the great work!
Imagine a modern army unit having a 500 year lineage. I cant. Going from knight to pike and shot things changed so much, and then going from pike and shot to musketeer things changed so much, and then going from musketeers to modern riflemen things changed the most. Outdated organization would see you scythed down in the world wars.
Some existing units do claim such a long lineage, such as the Spanish 1st Infantry Regiment, the UK's Yeomanry of the Guard.
But yeah, it's undoubtedly impressive.
There's a regiment mentioned in De Thematibus that might be from the 2nd century, but scholars are unsure what unit it's referring to. A lot of Roman units survived later than originally thought. The Invicti Seniores from the Western Roman Empire are still attested by Agnellus in the early 700s and he claims they're still in Ravenna in the 840s.
The Swedish Livgardet was created 1521 and 503 years later still protects the royal family.
@@ae-jo5gc Its not a military unit tho. If they where sent to the front they wouldnt have any of the heavy weapons a modern army needs.
The Papal Swiss Guard was established in the 1500's and is still operating today
More eastern Roman videos! Great video too!
These super detailed true size documentaries are absolutely indispensable to my fifty plus years of studying Roman military history. Truly grateful for your hard work and dedication. Thank you!!
thank you so much, Invicta; I had been looking for characteristics of the Byzantine army in the 10th century and having such a reliable source such as you make a documentary about the Byzantine army as a whole saves me so much time
They were MY choice of civilization in EVERY AoE2 multiplayer campaign no lie. That orthodox chant intro got me hype every time.
This is such a solid channel, loving it.
Invicta at it's best..... Thanks again for all your work
Maybe the reason of why the early Imperial Roman Army had a strong tradition of an excellent NCO (Non Commissioned Officer) Corps. This theoretical NCO corps within the early Imperial Roman Army would have had fostered strict discipline and order within the ranks.
Hey, just wanted to say keep up the great work!
Just watched Cathapracts . What a treat to have a continuation right away!
Ive been waiting for this for months. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
awesome presentation
Thank you for the video ⚔️
I hope Victrix becomes a long time partner for the channel. I'm very much broke atm but I would love to get that deal again in the future
Fantastic Video as Always!
EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS
Best one of these yet!!
Wow, that's the spot I am missing in my knowledge of history. Very well produced documentary, thank you!
awesome video
I just love these videos!
The term, "east Roman Empire" is right there, but okay. If you haven't come across it already, I would recommend having a read of Anthony Kaldellis's recent monograph, "The Case for East Roman Studies".
Someone could say that when the wrong term is used for convenience reasons is much better than when the correct term is used in order for revisionist theories to be promoted.
Byzantine is going to be a great topic! Thanks for covering it!
Love it thank you❤
Oh god, I'm buying those victrix sets very soon!!!
many of the names are greek psiloi means stripped possibly in luck of armor to move fast toxotai is archers in greek kavallaria its greek also roman means cavalry while skutatoi its total roman word and katafraktoi in greek means fully armored
The Skutatoi name is coming from the word Scutum which was the shield of the legionnaires in the antiquity period of the Roman Empire ...
@@LONGINVS_XXXIII thnks for the info
Thanks a lot for this great insight of a medieval byzantine army! :-) Your animations are on top and it is very easy to follow your narrator. Keep going like this. And please do more about the Byzantine Empire :-)
I love these videos
The Byzantines were always one of my favorite empires in history, so it's great to have a video about their military.
These cross overs are getting crazy 😂 love both invicta and victrix
Wow, hard to think of a more appropriate sponsor for a channel and even specific video.
Yes!! Thank you, I love learning about the Byzantine empire. I knew about thematic troops being farmers, but I had never heard about their rotation system. Makes sense though.
Hey invicta epic work as always
Note that if you see N + T in Hellenic is makes the sounds D
So Kentarchion is pronounced Kedarchion
Also if you see D in Hellenic it makes a sound that doesn't exist in english but its like dthu
Great video! The organization of the Byzantine arny during 900 AD was almost identical to the Byzantine army during Emperor Maurice s time as described in Maurice s strategikon. Keep up the great work!
Victrix models are really detailed.
Its a rare day when the sponsor is as imteresting as the content, i will check it out👍
❤I love Victrix❤
Great presentation!
First producer that will make historical blockbuster taking place in Byzantium will hit his mark.
Not a sponsor I'd have expected to see, but a welcome one! Fireforge Games also have a lovely range of Byzantine cavalry and infantry. Also in plastic!
It’s great to see an ad from a company whose products I buy. I hope other miniature companies follow suit!
Liking for algorithm, will watch later
Make sure to watch later
awsome
Excelent vídeo ! Please do a video like this talking about The Byzantine army of The Kommenian period please !
A very good book about this topic
"Sowing the Dragon’s Teeth; Byzantine Warfare in the Tenth Century"
by Eric McGeer
Great video as always! Just a pointer about pronunciation. Anywhere in Greek you see "oi" like in "moira" its just pronounced as "i". So just Mira not Moira :) I've noticed it in olden videos too. But great work!
3.3k likes vs 7 dislikes? Wow If that isn't proof of how good this channel is I don't know what is...
True Size of Pike And Shot Armies Next PLEASE!!!
this is great work. how do you make these?
True size of American Civil War Army next please. I love your true size contents ❤️❤️❤️
Fun fact, Victores was the only regiment that still using the same shield pattern according to Notita Dignitatum well into 10th century.
Awesome video! Asked about a year ago and I'm asking again : true size of Alexander's army at the start of the Persian invasion
Can you please make the videos on nepoleonic cavalry and artillery forces
I wish this had come out a bit earlier as I just spent quite a bit buying more Victrix models. I could've used the discount. XD
You guys should look at an army of Imperial China next. Maybe the Manchu bannermen?
I had to stop what I was doing to come watch this 😂
so early it's criminal
what are these beautiful chants in the backround?
How comes, there is not a SUPER like button on youtube????
Hi can you please do a True size of an imperial gaurdsman regiment video ... and the example you can use is the Cadian regiment since they are arguably considered in Warhammer 40k canon as an exemplary model regiment please and thank you
I would love to see a video similar to your bronze age collapse (if mentally feasable) about the evolution of "rome" and "world city"/"world leader", following babylon, ashurbanipal, to carthage, to rome, to byzantium, all the way to the many claims to be "new rome" all the way to the american empire
Should've used Total war Attila to add up spiceness of the video. But still nice video.
That is some insane amount of horses overall. Feeding that consistently would be a complete nightmare when on campaign.
Gras?
Can you do a war of the roses army
Next, is the Sassanid and Gupta armies???
When are you guys gonna do the sequel To the usmc special operations video that was a year ago when Will we get the Marine raiders back
11:30 Interesting that a Vanda had many fewer “servants” or “logistical troops” than an earlier Roman army, which had about 1/5 of it’s manpower dedicated to logistical troops. Especially with so many spare horses to take care of.
Was it because of the need for horses that restricted the number of extra men, or some kind of better technology or techniques that allowed them to operate with fewer logistics troops? Or did the soldiers themselves just do more logistics work?
*edit* Nevermind, I didn’t get to the part about the extra artisans and ambulancers
the most mind blowing thing is the amount of horses! how did they feed them all and maintain them!
ERE was really really rich.
Can you do a video on the size of the Abbasid army
Can't wait to see these guys cover the English Civil War.
What’s the correct spelling of the ancient units that were mentioned?
Cataphracts are pretty cool looking not gonna lie.
20:52 did he say karagoz?
nomismata is plural.
I really miss your voice man 😊
Greetings From Persia's beating Heart, Tehran.
Would you please do a video about Ancient Persian Armies? The Sasanids, The Parthians, The Achemanids.
Thanks in Advance.
Fall of the Han Dynasty or Warlord Era armies next?
16:36 isn't that georgian jvari monastery?
So play the Saga wargame!
This makes me long for the proposed idea for the “True Size” of Armies during the American Civil War.
Comparing and contrasting the Army of the Potomac (Union) with the Army of Northern Virginia (Confederate) would provide a solid base-line for people to understand how these units functioned as well as the choices made by the commanding Generals of their respective armies during the course of the war.
What’s truly interesting is how both armies approached their artillery and cavalry forces during the war.
The Union had organized their artillery under a unified command early on in the war, which proved to be effective during the Seven Days Battles whereas the artillery of the Army of Northern Virginia prior to Lee’s reforms was distributed to the individual units rather than under a unified command.
In the case of Cavalry, the Army of Northern Virginia organized much of their cavalry under a more unified command. JEB Stuart’s cavalry force is the most notable example of this better organization, but can be seen out west with Nathan Bedford Forrest’s cavalry force.
By contrast, the Army of the Potomac didn’t have a truly strong cavalry force until 1863. Most notably, Phillip Sheridan would personally lead the army’s cavalry force - a force that would balloon to 12,000 men - against JEB Stuart’s cavalry and - later - against Jubal Early.
Does anyone know the scale of those miniatures?
Victrix makes great looking figures. Their Ancient Gauls are amazingly fun to paint. Their newer late Roman stuff is top drawer all the way. Glad to see they know their customers so well! lol.
I'm a simple man. I see Byzantine / Eastern Roman Empire, I click.
For pure curiosity, did the Psiloi Skirmishers fought like the Velites of the Roman Republic, being at the frontline at the start, then softening the enemy, followed by retreating to the main lines to join the heavy Infantry, or they were used to set various ambushes outside the formation, like, to flank and encircle?.
Skirmishers played multiple roles and were covering and filling in where necessary. There was less javelin throwing and more bows and slingshots with the bowmen/slingers passing through the marching lines and throwing their arrows/bullets then retracting through the ranks in a combined-arms phalanx style much resembling the later tercios of the Spanish who alongside mechanical bows used muskets. The reason of higher usage of bows and less usage of javelins (they could still be used but I am not aware of many references to them) was probably the increased range and power of medieval bows.
Make a video on true size of.british monarch
impressive how long the byzantine(eastern roman empire) survived
Byzantine Army?
Quite Thematic 😉
Shout to Christian Cameron's Traitor Son series for having a relatively accurate (not) Byzantine army.
So early Rûm just formed
how many armies were all together finally?
In Era for Bulgarian Emperator Simeon The Great in 10 century is 60-70k in Battle in Achelous 917
Is it just me, or does the theme system have similarities to how the Roman Republic raised and organized their manipular legions?
I think you have made some mistakes in some translations
More Warhammer please 😊
Do a video on the true size of the Argead Macedonian army
working on something for the Alexandrian phalanx
@@InvictaHistory also please do a video on the total size of the Sassanid and Gupta armies.
Sorry to bother, but I am trying to make a purchase and I don't see any discount. What am I doing wrong?
You should see it using this link www.victrixlimited.com/invicta?bg_ref=SuTPaZ6Jx0 and then clicking "view products" for any of the listed armies
@@InvictaHistory again, sorry to bother you but it still shows the same prices as the normal store.
It always boggles my mind on how these large expansionist empires handle this logistical nightmare considering they move thousands of humans across countries. Like how Aurelius just go back and forth dealing with Palmyra. Thank god for the roads and aqueducts they've built