Can You Refill A Butane Cartridge With LPG or Propane? Part 2
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- čas přidán 29. 09. 2021
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Make sure to watch Part 1 if you haven't already! • Can You Refill A Butan...
Can You Refill A Butane Cartridge With LPG or Propane? Part 2
In this video we continue experimentation with refilling single use butane cartridges with Propane, answer a few questions, follow up on some tips and suggestions and make some important corrections to errors in the last video (thanks Wikipedia!).
What could go wrong?! A lot apparently!
I don't recommend doing this at all, it's a very bad idea!
Links:
If you want a safe refillable portable gas bottle.
www.bunnings.com.au/gasmate-c...
Otherwise buy cheap butane canisters, the empty cartridges can be recycled.
Buy butane charging connector
eBay.com: ebay.us/8xqYPz
eBay.com.au: ebay.us/C7zx3J
AliExpress: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9Jl4Us
Butane burners / stoves
eBay.com: ebay.us/oOS0ZQ
eBay.com.au: ebay.us/P9jagj
Please remember the purpose of this charging adaptor, while still not advised is for filling Butane and NOT Propane!
Make sure to get the correct gas bottle thread connector for your region.
And again... the butane canisters in this video are single use!
Vital reading material:
www.elgas.com.au/blog/1972-lp...
www.elgas.com.au/blog/1969-ho...
www.engineeringtoolbox.com/bu...
www.farnell.com/datasheets/180...
Also Wikipedia who lied to me in the last video!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefi...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
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*Make sure to check out part 1 for further information.* Also be safe! czcams.com/video/EMnLAJnzHd8/video.html
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I make it perfectly clear in both videos in this series that you should not do it!
Thanks, please enjoy, think outside the box, prove things to yourself and experiment safely!!!
Oh yes, there will be a part 3. 😊
eventually
Hello! Australia has a hot climate, and therefore butane is quite suitable for use. You should try to get rid of propane in this way. Take a bottle of liquefied gas and cool it with a mixture of ice and salt to a temperature below 0 Celsius. Then open the valve. Propane boils at -42 C. Butane boils at -0.5 C. The difference in boiling points is significant. When the evolution of gas stops, close the valve. After that, you will have liquid gas enriched with butane. Of course, all this must be done outdoors. You can fill butane cylinders and use them as you need. You can also use R600a refrigerant. This is pure isobutane. But it might not be cheap. We have a different problem in Russia. It is very cold in winter and we are forced to use oil burners or collapsible titanium wood stoves. Propane gas can be stored in heavy, thick-walled cylinders. It's still half the trouble. But the most important thing is that such cylinders cannot be transported in transport, we can be seriously punished if they are found.
Thanks for the valuable info! I've learned a lot from the comments here with different countries and people. Our winter where I live barely even reaches 0c. Russia is way too cold for me!
We do have a warm climate, but as I discovered Australia's LPG is 100% Propane.
R600 is quite costly here about AUD $400 for 6.5KG. Which got me thinking, can I refill my car air conditioner with isobutane?
@@FixTechStuff That's a really amazing thing! As far as I understand, propane produced in industry is more expensive than Butan. Why in Australia pure propane is sold difficult to understand. you're lucky. We have two types of gas. For winter, 20/80 Butane propane, for the summer, on the contrary. Buttan is considered an undesirable admixture and the propane refueling large containers is more expensive. The price of 400 Australian dollars per cylinder with an isobutane is shocking. In general, propane is also a refrigerant. R290. I used a mixture of propane with butan to refuel a laboratory thermostat. It cooled up to -18°C with the coolant. The temperature in the winter in Russia where I live reaches -30 Celsius. In other regions, it can be significantly lower to -70 ° C in Yakutia.
@@hikewomeat Actually it is possible I am wrong again. They keep changing the wikipedia page every time I look at it.
Now its saying 90% propane: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Purity
However it may be that our major gas supplier removes the butane before transporting or bottling it: www.elgas.com.au/blog/1972-lpg-contains-which-gases-gases-present-in-lpg-gases-used/
That price was for R600 refrigerant, I am unable to find butane in anything larger than disposable canisters.
@@FixTechStuff Another path is possible. It makes no sense to look for a butane if it is inaccessible, but you have propane. It is possible to look for aluminum or titanium cylinders for storage of propane. They can be more expensive than steel, but this is a single investment. I know that there are aluminum cylinders with a capacity of 0.7 liters. I have a 1.2 liter steel cylinder. 0.5 kg of gas is placed there. But as I already mentioned, it is not safe to carry such a cylinder in our country. Metal detectors are installed everywhere and check the baggage.
When I stay in the Phillipines it is about a 1/3 of the price of refilled cannisters or just bring your old one and they refill it. I think it was about PHP 50 pisos for a refilled cartridge. So that comes out to what you pay in Australia for a new cartridge. I am back in the USA now where those cartridges are running close to $5 USD for one cannister.
Yikes, that is costly, at that price I would definitely be looking into a portable propane stove instead, refilling propane canisters from larger bottles.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it's just not worth it. How many people want to worry about cooling gown their gas canister before cooking? None. That's how many!
Great content thanks for your time making this.
thanks you!
its well worth it, i have been doing this since 90s, its safe actually than he thought. the only problem is the gas bottle pressure much higher that the canister. you need a refill volve with gas release machnic to reduce the pressure to get the canister filled 80% of the oringal weight and use the release volve to get the pressure down to acceptable level to work with the stove, otherwise the gas will trigger the safty "shut down" throat of the stove or got back fire in the canister chamber . but if you dont leave it unattended, nothing serious would happen. just play with it around carefully , you will soon get mastery about it.
could you explain how to do that?
One of the big problems in UK winters is that the propane evaporates first leaving, at half weight, mainly butane which doesn't evaporate quickly enough to give a significant flame.
I figure if I refill at that point back to just below the original weight it should allow more of the contents to be used without exceeding the original pressure significantly.
Probably the next refill should be back to 3/4 weight, then 1/2 weight. That canister can then be saved for summer use.
I wasn’t aware that was an issue, you might be onto something there.
outstanding vid. thanks!
Thank you!
Great vid. Thank you
I ordered four (4) of the recently introduced and legally refillable aluminum canisters to test. The canisters were shipped prefilled with 200 grams of fuel. They did not function in our Sonic (Korean), Iwatani(Japanese), or Asahi (Philippine-manufactured) brand butane canister stoves. The canisters functioned perfectly in a Kaisa Villa belonging to Beautiful Bride's friend who had one with her on a visit and in another Korean-made stove belonging to my buddy, the brand name of which escapes me. We did observe that after some of the fuel was used (my guess, about 1/3 of the can) it then functioned in our Sonic stove. Please note that Bounce and Sonic brands of disposable steel canisters come factory-filled with a mix of three different gasses and contain 250 grams of fuel, not the 220 grams most other brands are supplied with. These new aluminum canisters are rated for use with LPG but my guess is that we still had too much pressure with 200 grams of fuel. We will do further testing once we have an accurate scale and refilling equipment. My gas delivery guy informed me that the standard mix delivered to homes and businesses here in the Philippines is 70% butane / 30% propane. Basically, this is the fuel mix in flat-top Lindel canisters intended for winter use. That is what we will use for testing since those new canisters are rated for use with LPG.
Sounds very interesting. The big pluses are environmentally friendly package, refillable and very portable which is a big win.
Do you have more details on the refillable canister? I googled and found Petron Fiesta Gas 170-gram from the Philippines is that the same one?
@@FixTechStuff This is post 2 of 2: We purchased Trippler brand canisters that arrived with a 200-gram fill as noted above. Ferc canisters are the new kid on the block. GazLite offers its own brand of stoves and LPG canisters in two sizes. a large 330-gram canister and a smaller 230-gram canister. While searching for current offerings here in the Philippines, I noticed some of the new brands have disappeared from the market. I also noted that Petron (a distributor of gasoline (petrol), diesel, and lubricants has partnered with Fiesta Gas to offer a refillable 170 gram canister.
@@FixTechStuff I guess one (or more) of the CZcams censors have their panties in a wad. Now, all three of my replies to you have been deleted. The partnership between Petron Fuel and Fiesta is one of the new offerings. I have no idea why they package 170 grams of gas while others offer a fill of 180 grams or more. Could be for safety reasons in our often hot Philippine environment. I have not laid hands on one of their canisters yet but what I saw in a picture certainly looks like what we have purchased in the past in a different color. I will check next time we are near a Perton station to see if they have one in stock for us to try out.
OK, now this is weird, my second of the first three replies I made to you has re-appeared after I refreshed the page. Good luck in your search. If you post information about any products you find or links to Philip[pine online shopping sites. I will be happy to varify if you are viewing the same items we have found.
Thanks for all the info, I'll be looking out for these here in Australia, I hope we get them soon. At the very least these will be helpful for those in the Philippines and prevent accidents.@@NewHampshireJack
Blue sky camera shot concludes another successful day of experimentation without an unexpected explosion, rapid disassembly of scientific equipment and other pesky shenanigans peppering science crowd around the world! ;) In Ireland canisters from Calor seem to have different colors and are labeled: propane or butane or patio gas (bio-lpg, probably mixture of two).
No more than 20% propane, and no more than 80% full combined
I get propane/Butane mix canisters so I guess filling it with only 1 type is dangerous, without some sort of pressure gauge you can't tell and may risk over pressure explosion which could detonate discharged gas
I haven't heard about the mixed canisters, that's interesting.
They are fairly difficult to overfill to a dangerous level, it basically stops filling and that's it.
The big issue is when the can is exposed to 40c plus or left out in the sun, the pressure will increase, the end of the can elongates and it will safely vent, you wouldn't want one venting in an enclosed space as the gas isn't safe to breath either.
Whichever gas is used, it's best to store them somewhere cool and out of direct sunlight.
EN417 standard is 13.2bar at 50C, non-refillable
refilling at your own risk
search for "Propane Butane Mixture" and you will see vapour pressures at different temperatures
what about the blue cylinders for burners or the green cylinders for camping stoves and torches?
This one? www.bunnings.com.au/tradeflame-400g-propane-disposable-cartridge-with-primus-internal-fitting_p5910392
And this one?
www.anacondastores.com/camping-hiking/camp-cooking/camping-fuel-fire/companion-resealable-propane-468g-catridge/90178928?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAiA6Y2QBhAtEiwAGHybPVIF6ixT0fWnYhH6V18lMXZIyDqRs63805UJ02Nj7nSlJM0B-rRiuBoCx7kQAvD_BwE
Are they the ones? Technically both of those should be refillable with the right fitting.
When I tilt my tank over, nothing comes out
Strange, perhaps it has some safety mechanism?
Llegando a una conclusión personal solo recargar un 80% y hacerlo un par de días antes de su huso así mínimos riesgos??
Perhaps that could be a smarter way.
Goodness me , please please do not fill a container designed for butane with propane or a mixture of isobutane/propane. As the ambient temps rise the vapor pressure will explode the bottle.
Look at thin butane canister vrs the say 230 gram bottles. Huge difference in wall thickness
Explode no. Leave one out in direct sunlight and it will vent, yes.
Maybe vent into the neighbours barbecue. Woommm!
I should've bought a dual fuel camping stove. Then I could use that unused LPG tank.
BTW do you think Butane canisters will be part of the shortages?
Yeah it’s worth diversifying. I have wood burning stoves and an LPG burner for backup. If there is electricity shortages I guarantee butane will run out. So worth stocking up with a box or 2 as they aren’t expensive.