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Listen....there really is no huge secret to spray painting foam without it melting. You don't need to buy the special foam primer spray paints. You can use just about any can to safely spray foam without causing melting, you just gotta do so properly. Grab some cans, some scrap foam, test and practice your technique so that you can do it with confidence!
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or use it to make a worn path
Exactly what I was thinking. Makes for awesome burned beams and destroyed terrains
I used a small bit of foam stone wall i made to test spraypaint and it looks really good as 'severely eroded' stonework effect too.
I mean if you melt it this way and prime correctly over it, I belive you can use it as a great wall texture.
"We need to talk." *sits down* "It's not the spray paint. It's you."
Sometimes saying it isn't enough, a clear demonstration like this is great for visual learners. :)
Like other commenters, I was intrigued by the potential of controlling the effect from the melting. The mild melt from the Premier brand would look good with concrete effects.
Yup.....said it so many times. Finally time to show it 🙂
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Next video do an intentional melt as an effect?
@@VaSoapman he did it on the jungle temple tiles. He's shown it before with both acetone and nail polish.
I’m just imagining the guy with chainsaw looking over and seeing this guy with a tripod recording himself spray painting an unknown pink substance.
yeah lol
Its Canada..we may be friendly folk but we are also a strange bunch
Being a Canadian expat currently in South Korea, and a former Toronto Goth, I gotta say the dance crew PiP was a great surprise insert. Love it!
"Spray Paint Doesn't Melt Foam, People Do" needs to be a t-shirt.
It make me laught outloud, alone in the kitchen...
You need a whole video on Rocket Surgery!
My new favorite saying
The call me Doctor Rocket 🥼 🚀
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Do they, though? lol
Somepeople they call me a space cowboy...
I’ve been saying that for years, very few people catch it.
Dude... I'm quite proud of this video for a very simple reason -- you did an entertaining video that was literally about paint drying. :)
You rock, brother! Keep on crafting!
"Follow the directions and you should be good." UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR
I use krylon fusion as a primer as it does work on styrofoam without melting it. It doesn't melt foam at a range of 8inches. Barring that, a whole bunch of gesso for a shell for the paint to bond to.
That's how I do it, anyway...
Solid example of good technique with extruded polystyrene foam (XPS).
I think it's worth noting that expanded polystyrene foam (EPS, the stuff that looks like it's made up of beads and that gets used a lot for packaging, among other things), is much less dense than XPS, and as a result _much_ more susceptible to melting. And the melting is much more extreme when it happens.
Also, in addition to using something like ModPodge for a barrier, latex house paint works quite well and is inexpensive, especially if you get mis-mixed cans.
Also, also, the texture of EPS when broken or when you use a rasp can be a very nice base for spray on rock effects. Because those go on very thickly and take a while to dry, you _really_ want a barrier for them.
I almost got scared out of spray painting my xps foam miniature building, but you restored my courage to try to do it afterall. Thank you for the informative video!
U had me at 'raw foam' The great outdoors? solvents? compressed gas??? Awww yeahhhh!
We don't always need a build video. Sometimes these technique and tips videos are what we NEED.
Great trial-by-fire style of testing! Makes me glad I'm already a Patron!
Your intermission during the shakedown got me off my ass and I signed up for Skillshare as well. I've been putting off starting a hobby blog (YT/IG) for the longest time after always talking about it to friends and never learning much of the details behind how to actually do it. Like your own BMC videos, I hope the classes on Skillshare send me back to school and help get my long-delayed plans of starting a channel off the ground! You're always a strong inspiration in the craft, sir, thank you!
Great video as always, Jeremy. Now that I see it, the melting effect could be used to your advantage for some applications. It would make some interesting rock texture or even make something look like it was melted by acid.
Absolutely. Once you understand how to avoid it you can also control it (to a degree) to do creative melting intentionally.
Blame yourself for all your problems (mainly, basecoating terrain) and life will be much easier. That's a good way to keep improving!
Blaming the tool or material is for peasants! 😉
Thank you for this video. It drives me nuts seeing videos where people don't know how to use spray paint. I actually learned proper spray paint techniques in the USAF. We would have to do touch up work to outside equipment; sanding and using wire brushes to get rid of rust, then priming and painting the touch up spot. We couldn't leave runs, it had to look like it belonged or our boss would throw a fit, so I learned early on the the techniques you just taught. Great video.
I learned to paint from my dad. He was 27 1/2 years in the USAF. Thank you for your service.
I was building a multi-level diorama for my super hero squad figures. Took the Styrofoam outside and began spray painting it black and to my horror it started melting... As I watched it slowly melt I became fascinated and started experimenting further. It was fun, it was cool and when finished it looked like volcanic rock. Showed pictures to my co-worker and she thought it was cool, then gave it to her. Thanks for the explanation!
I just started watching your videos recently and I've fallen in love with the craft and the creations you can make! It's better since I get your references to Dollarama since I'm also from Canada
Excellent video! I make feral cat shelters out of all kinds of materials I find ... especially styrofoam. I usually use acrylic porch paint, but that takes some time (to both do and to dry). This is great information in case I have to make a quick emergency shelter (which happens fairly often). Thank you!
“It’s not rocket surgery” 😂😂😂😂😂
It may not be the most exciting video, but it's probably one of the most important ones. Spending ages working on a project, and then wanting a good way to coat it but not melt it? well I found your channel specifically because this was something I was looking for so thank you again for making this!
Bottom line: Read the instructions on the can! The instructions give you the correct info for temperature, humidity (sometimes), spraying distance and technique, how long to shake the can, etc., etc., etc.
Yup
Nope. Getting proper coverage is way harder than the two sentences on the back of the can. The light dusting that is described on the can may work for this type of crafting as a dusty finish may actually be a bonus, but it's not sufficient for proper coverage. Never once have I seen a medium wet final coat described on the can. You need that wet coat so the paint can flow out and self level giving a proper gloss/semi/flat finish without lines and without a dusty finish.
FINALLY! Someone had the guts to do this subject! The Only tricky bit is for Newbies using the cheap pill type foam in a build, which wants to melt if you look at it in a corrosive manner. And yet it just takes practice, distance, and then even cheap foam can be painted in this manner.
Well that explains why my foam walls melted down the first time! Ah well, live and learn. Great video as always!
So, first a little backstory; I've recently restarted playing DnD. I'm a player, not the DM, but I am the most "arts and crafty" person at the table so I've been tasked with building up our collective terrain pieces.
I decided to start with a cobblestone open area that could either be roadwork, a courtyard or a dungeon or even an old castle interior depending upon what scatter terrain is thrown in. I've got 3 more projects in a similar fashion- wood flooring for tavern, docks or any other structure that would have wood planks, grasslands that can be fields, jungle, woods ect based upon scatter terrain, and rocky terrain that can either be caves or mountains.
Anyways, I got done with the initial cobblestone build last night and was waiting for my glue to dry and was watching this video while having a smoke break. I didn't want to prime the whole project by hand and decided to try your method.
I grabbed my can of Rust-oleum Flat Grey primer and got to work.
Other than one minor area at the edge where I oversprayed slightly it came out looking great and the area I over sprayed had a neat little effect where the indentations that I made melted a little deeper and actually make it look more pock marked than it did "melted".
It actually brought the texture out better.
Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks and you've got yourself a new subscriber.
(The terrain I'm working on, btw, is inspired by your foam plate dungeon tiles and another CZcamsr's pizza pan idea for the base).
Loved the “Black Magic” Dancers! Laughed my ass off! Excellent video on how to spray paint foam . Cheers!
I haven't found on youtube more humble yet so talented craftsman like you. Also moderate distance of spray paint can make cool looking wall/concrete texture. Thank you, wiseman, for this video :)
You know someone has made it on CZcams when he gets sponsored by Skillshare 😅
Good for you👍
Big ups to BMC for braving the Canadian wilderness to bring us this video. He could easily been charged by a moose or something coming out of that bog behind him.
Good video and a nice little note about personal responsibility at the end their, seen that far too often from people who simply blame everything but themselves when they screw up.
It’s the same with priming Reaper Bones minis. A whole bunch of people say that you can’t, because the mini will stay tacky forever. The real problem is that people don’t follow the instructions. They ignore heat and humidity, and almost always spray too close.
glad you covered this one my friend, I used styrofoam to paint Screws for work.
Yea I often use a pice of foam to hold things like nails, screws, wire, etc to paint them. It's a great way to hold stuff like that for painting!
Woo Thursday video---def had to check the calendar to make sure what day it was
Thank you for your videos. For foam, i'm used to the "amsterdam" water based spray paint, it's very sure for not destroying your foam works. Thank u again from france!
I lost it with the tektonik dancers
Neat video - thinking lava lands for the black melted foam. I have some grey foam so I may give it a go.
Thank you!!! This old dog learned something new. I sadly listened to the ill informed in my early years and just avoided the whole thing. Now it's time to come back and try the correct way. Again, Thank you sir!
I'm glad you did this video. Agree, you can melt the foam, if you don't spray it correctly, but if you spray correctly, you don't melt the foam. I have found that your cheaper spray paints tend to be the ones that have to be used with more care or you risk melting the foam, with the more expensive ones being more forgiving, but as with any generalization, your own mileage may vary.
Hey, can anyone out there make a music vid with him shaking those cans? 🎶
Another tip on topic and very important is your area and current weather will factor into the distance greatly. I live in Southern California, so my area has a Mediterranean Step to Desert climate. Due to this most of the time it is pretty dry to very dry humidity in the air about 30% or far less and temperatures can be in the 90°s to 100°s Fahrenheit or around 32.5° to 40° Celsius for those who live outside the USA. Due to this using spray during the summer months at the instructions 12" range tends to mean that it has almost dried up before it reaches the material you're trying to prime. Then means it probably will not adhere to it nearly as well and will tend to leave a textured coat.
That is why we all need to understand the processes of what is happening and how that is influenced by our own local areas when we craft, build and paint.
At the end of the day it’s all about practice and getting a feel for it.
Oh thank god someone finally said it I’ve been silently thinking this for too long
One thing I do when making diorama is I will spray to close on purpose to give my "ground" a chotic texture. Then i go back and spray at a distance to fill in any exposed parts. Kind of like a controlled burn.
Great vid. Please don’t feel the need to apologize for a video that doesn’t contain a physical project. Hobby theory is just as fun and inspiring as hobby practice to me. I think the key to good spray paint practices is stable environment. I don’t have a spray booth, so I stockpile my projects and wait for that still day to come and then prime coat lots of things all at once. That’s the only way I can get the right distance without overspraying all over my yard.
My dad was building something with foam and spray painted it and it melted and in the end it made things look more realistic. My wife also did a build with foam for Halloween and it looked more realistic with the melted foam.
Obviously it depends what you are making. Someone drastically melting a little detailed house they spent days making wouldnt say the same.
Sometimes you want melting. You can use the effect intentionally. Either way it’s all about controlling the materials.
I'm so weirded out right now... I literally just got done spraying all my D&D adventure system minis. I hop on my phone I get a notification of a new BMC video. ITS ABOUT SPRAY PAINT! Is this coincidence or the universe going into alignment?
Wow it was nice to see the outdoors for once... 😂
But seriously, been meaning to do a test for this for a while now, and you've convinced me I will! Even beyond that, I learned a lot more than I expected. Honestly I'd be happy if you focused more on TPK-like videos until you can get back to a more normal schedule.
If you enjoyed seeing the outdoors just wait until you see the video I have ready for next week!
We spray painted a solar system project for school. The next morning all our planets melted to the size of Pluto. 🤨
This video was undoubtedly very much exiting and entertaining. One thing came in my mind that one can use spray paint on foam in the wrong way even, just to get a particular event or look.
You can try it.
Yea, done that lots. It's a pretty common technique :)
I am new to the hobby. I did spray it because of forgot about that. Now I have a "abandoned burned scorched tower" instead of a "brand new guard watchtower" .... no regrets
This is a great tip. Thank you for giving us this info. I've screwed up many pieces of foam!
Was just about to start spray painting styrofoam pieces on my first diorama. Thought I'd look for a tutorial. THANK YOU!
FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS.👍👍👍 it’s very simple read the instructions, whether your spray painting foam or building an Ikea book shelf READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, twice or three times even.
Great video, mind your the melted foam looks cool.🙏🙏👏👏👏👍
Late to the party on this one. Yes, I've heard not to use spray paint on XPS as well, but honestly I have been using a flat clear coat spray paint on my projects with no problems.... until today. I screwed up a portion of 2 or 3 different pieces that I've been working on. I thought I had thick enough layers between the mod podge and paint, but turns out not so much. Thankfully they should be fixable if I smooth them out a bit and/or just give them another coat of mod podge. It wasn't until after watching this video that I realized I was trying to rush through this step of the project and ended up spraying too closely. I'm just glad that I stopped before spraying more pieces and also found this video so I wasn't left in the dark as to why it happened. Gotta give a thanks for this one and a shout out to anyone else out there that has run into similar problems!
I like how the melted foam has an interesting texture.
I see spraying first adds a creative element/ texture to the base that we are always trying to duplicate with sculptimold, basing, etc. And it's now primed and ready for color.
It's kinda funny how he mentions thinner, which is known for eating away at plastic. At work, we'll use it both in spraying cabinet doors and panels, and to clean paint off of the paint mixer and stuff. Of course, we wear plastic gloves but the thinner does eat away at the plastic. It also burns of you get it into cuts
OMG! The Letter Kenney shot haha! Brilliant
You should just do your best Allen Iverson impression. 'Practice. We talkin' 'bout practice!'
I actually never thought to use spray primer because everyone said it is not working. THanks for the mythbusting. !
Rocket Science: I sleep
Heart Surgery: real shit?
Rocket Surgery: *a s c e n d e d*
LOL totally made me laugh when he said that, he was 1/2 through saying "rocket science" and his brain said, nope, it's "brain surgery" dude. So you get what we have right here, an authentic rocket surgeon.
Happens to my all the time
Advance technic... Exactly what we need !! ... Along with the Tecktonik... EPIC :)
Great video mate! Thanks for doing the science so i can test with confidence
I have seen a few comments on here about this but I am adding my own. That melted foam texture looks great, please make a video utilizing it, spilled acid, breath weapon damage, the fireball practice wall at the mage college, something.
I already have a couple old episodes of melted tiles you can check out.
The Clip of the Rave you put at 5:20 is from my hometown (Duesseldorf - Germany) right under the Oberkasseler Bridge. Years ago they gathered there from time to time to rave but I have not seen them for at least 10 years. Just thought, you might want to know.
Oh, I know the full history of that meme. :) Still fun to hear it's from your home town. Before doing this YT channel I was an industrial musician, so I was very involved in that scene and played to many crowds dressed and dancing like that :)
All good tips, however, I brush on primer aka black/brown/gray mod podge on ALL of my projects, big or small. Just my preferred method. I do follow these tips when I'm finished and seal it.
This literally just happened to me!
I have never tried it but I am told the blue insulation foam is much more resistant to the solvents in spray paint than is the pink foam. I had trouble finding the blue foam when I was working with foam projects, so I used water based spray paints instead. Ironically, those can be hard to find yet my local stores had them. So perhaps people looking to use spray as base coats or etc. Could either try the blue foam or try water based spray on the pink foam. Recently I used water based polycrylic spray in clear as a sealer and it also worked well.
Thanks for the content.
Having used both blue DOW foam and pink Foamular regularly, and spray painting both of them, I can say I don't believe there is any tangible difference in their resistance to melting.
I dont think it's worth spending the extra, and sourcing, water based spray paint. It's just easy to spray with normal paint. As I showed.....just try it on some test pieces and build up your confidence.
Primers are typically acrylic and so don’t require solvents. Priming with an acrylic will generally keep solvent based paints from getting at the foam. However spray paints should be the final step because if you paint acrylic over spraypaints they will eat the acrylic long after it dries. I would not recommend spray paint for art unless you are using spray paints exclusively... mixed media tends to favor the spray paint.
"crafting communities, terrain building communities, youtube comments" oh i know another one: your own episode 2, where you said "as always (without mentioning why) since it's foam we don't spraypaint this" :P
I too was fed bad information when I first started the hobby.
You can aslo try to get your hands on some acrylic spraypaint. Mtn colors are the best and it doesnt melt at all
Why? Why not just use normal spray paint that works fine, is easier to get, and cheaper? That's the whole point of the video.
“Spray paint doesn’t melt foam, people do.” 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for these tests !
I think it should also be said as a reminder - start spraying off of the project, go across, and finish off of the project.
That is such an obvious thing I didn’t even think to mention it. But I should have. It’s important, and I have to remember if there is something that can be done wrong, people will do it wrong. No matter how obvious.
am I the only one that loved the texture that the paint gave to the foam ?
Most exciting yet for me. Well done.
Looking at those results I hope you saved those pieces of foam and will make them into a burned out ruin! Looked like a great fire damage texture! :D
When I first got into Warhammer in ‘94ish I was really only interested in making dioramas. I’d take all the foam packaging stuff I could find for building materials. I was psyched that spray paint would melt it in a controllable way to make really cool post apocalyptic nuclear waste dungeon rooms. Well, long story short, I moved back to the US the next year and dropped the hobby. Until several months ago when I started watching your videos and got back into it(I greatly appreciate what you’re doing). Just funny that one of my favorite pre teen techniques would be a “hang up” you have.
It's not a hang up I have. I've intentionally melted foam with spray paint (although acetone is better) may times. My issue is that so many people don't understand you can control the melting as well as prevent it.
Black Magic Craft I didn’t mean hang up with a negative connotation, just something that you’ve brought up several times. I completely agree with your viewpoint on it
Thanks Jeremy. This makes it really clear.
Thanks for that clarification! 🙏
so wierd to see you stand up! hahaha
"Its not rocket surgery" -BMC
It's one of my most used phrases!
It's not brain science either.
I myself have never used spray paint on foam yet, but I love the look where it makes it look like burn wood. I just don't know how to texture it now to where it's going to show. If you can or have time, do I quick video on how to texture melted foam please?
I'm currently making an aquarium decoration and when I heard spraypaint melts the foam I got really scared that everything I've already done would become moot. It's nice knowing that even if it does melt a little bit, it won't be so bad! I thought it would completely destroy it and the melting texture will go great with the cave IF it does happen :D
Hi I’m new and I have to say I’m loving your videos and the evolution of your arms. Lol this video was indeed helpful. I haven’t seen any like it so thanks for making it.
8:20 "spray paint doesn't melt foam, people do" for some reason that cracked me up. So basically, if I'm grasping this, what you're essentially doing is spaying far enough away that the propellents, which is the part that does the damage, evaporates or dissipates leaving only harmless paint that hits your project. That's where my brain went with that.
Yes. That’s the whole lesson essentially.
p.s. great video as always. Personally I think it's an important part of learning how to do this.
Could you maybe do a video about the different types of sculpting compounds you use like Das (air dry clay) scultp-a-mold, plaster
One day! That’s worth doing.
Thanks for the information on Skill Share...looks good gonna try it out.
Amazing video as always. I always look forward to them. I was wondering what kind of mask you use? I couldn’t find it in the Essentials. Thanks 🔥
Because I don’t recommend it. It’s honestly not great. It seems to be gnome sized.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial That is valid. I am not a gnome! Thanks for the reply
Great video. Can't tell you how many times I've told friends to spray from a distance.... wait that doesn't sound right...
5:20 I laughed a lot! 🤣👍
*Gasp* I have been enlightened, I can now prime and painted that foam figure of mine!
I wish my backyard looked like that! It looks peaceful, thanks for the vid!
Yea, I bought a forest. It came with a free house.
I half hoped / expected Stewart and the other skids of Letterkenny to show up in the dance break.
Hey man, I've been watching your CZcams videos for a year or two and I love what you do
I've finally been Inspired to make something after I watched your cadaver collector video again and so I made the ogre howdah from the same book
I'd love to see more custom miniature videos but I've loved all the content you have put out. Thank you for the inspiration
some of those could make for nice concrete textures if you do more cyberpunk terrain.
Perhaps pointing out that using spray paint on a thicker foam, adjusting the distance can be used to create texture, such as false rock motifs. Thanks, JD
Yep! 20 odd years of foam crafting confirms your advice. :)
Thank you because I was wondering instead of buying epoxy if I could spray paint foam without it melting I shall try that because I want to do a shower panel with panels but I've seen the stone cold poxy but it's a little expensive and I'm on a tight budget
I've sprayed many Styrofoam containers and none of them melted. They suck up the paint like a sponge. I've sprayed them with black paint and after it sucked the paint up, the container looked grey. It was definitely not black. The same holds true with other colors as well. If I sprayed it with a red paint, it would look pink after it sucked it all up but it never melted.
Its not Rocket Surgery Guys!!!!! :) You need to build an arduino paint can shaker. Ohhh... I love mod podge... Never knew it could protect the surface better! Have to remember that tip ... thanks!