Tip Tuesday Ep.1: Four Ways To Seal Your Foam Projects
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- Welcome back dio builders it's Tip Tuesday and today i will be covering four ways you can seal your foam dioramas and foam projects that will protcet them from spray paint.
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being a new modeler we find means and methods hard to find, so we just stumble upon them, like this..
AND you can use minwax wipe on poly and rust-oleum oil base enamel directly on FOAM, we discovered this while painting an Arrow foam Corsair.
I happened to get some oil base paints on the foam packing and realized that not only does it not dissolve the foam, it bonds very well to the foam.
The cheap paint that came on the plane peeled off with some Blue tape after I had painted with some latex water base paints;
We even poured some paint thinner on the foam and it pooled on the foam but Did Not Dissolve the foam.
Yes, you can coat your Foam plane with oil base poly, paint etc, resulting in a Hard structural skin.
Thank you for your informative comment, I found it useful. I hope you dont mind me pinning it because I think others will find it useful👍
@@thetacticalnerdist7865 yes, we all need all the help we can find.
I was amazed that the foam worked so well with oil based polys and paints, even paint thinner.
We found that using water based primers was not necessary and did not fully bond to foam.
I had gotten the impression from people concerned about spray paint cans that all oil based solvents would dissolve foam, but now we know it's the acetone.
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remember to store your spray paint cans on the side, not upright, so that the pigment will stratify on the side of the can and not the bottom.
I love you, wish this existed 10 years ago but am grateful to even see it now. ❤
Informative and inspirational. Keep up the Great work.
Great tips. Thank you for the test.
Well done tutorial. I appreciate to the point and specific. Subscribed 👊😎👍
Very informative thanks for making this video... thank you for getting the pronunciation of mod podge correct in the middle of the video 😊
Thank you...I'm making new Halloween Tombstones 🎃and using pink foam for the first time. This will be a great way to protect them. Thanks again 👍😃
Very insightful video thanks for sharing , you got yourself a new subscriber , p.s. love the Doble OO7 / star wars flute intro 🎶🎵🔥🔥🔥🔥gives it a Enhance vibe 💯
You saved me a LOT of trial and error. Thanks a million! I’m getting the Minwax spray and see there’s specifically a water based one. Think it makes any difference with paint adhering? I may do a little experiment with the two.
So glad you're back I'm just getting into the hobby and your vids are gold but it seems like nobody has uploaded anything new on the hobby in some cases years and I really wasn't sure anyone was still interested in this like me anyways looking forward to new stuff welcome back
Well come to the hobby! Thank you and yeah this hobby is still alive and well on Facebook. As for youtube it's been kinda slow but they're still people posting from time to time I know a lot of people including myself have kids and busy work schedules but, I'm sure when the holidays roll around there will be more videos out.
TheTactical Nerdist
Thanx for the reply bro I live how you break everything down and make it seem so easy you keep making vids I'll keep watching
Was supposed to be I love... lol I'm at work right now I totally get the busy work schedule thing
"I havn't seen anyone cover this"....
Minwax Fast Dry as a foam sealer:
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Follow up:
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Mod Podge and black paint as a base coat:
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Always good to cover these basics for audiences that may not be familiar with other channels....but I've covered this all in detail in dozens of videos over the last two years.
Cheers
I think your three videos are filled with more info then most forums out there that cover this subject but, I didn't learn this from your channel...the RC plane community has been using Minwax products for years. I'm sorry if I gave the Idea I was trying to steal you content and not give you credit. Your channel is amazing and I think diorama builders can learn a lot from the D&D community! I'm part of the 1:12 scale diorama community and I haven't seen anyone cover this in my community yet so i decided to cover all the techniques out there but, I didn't get to cover the water down pva technique that train model scenery builders use. I want to add I know my comment seems a little rude but, I do have a lot of respect for all Crafters and I wouldn't give credit to someone that I didn't know created a technique so I post things I've learned.
Oh no dude, not implying you got the ideas from me then didn't credit.....just wanted to share that I also covered it, we are from similar but different communities do same techniques but different resources. Cheers
Heeeeeeeees baaaack! Great vid:-)
Thanks! :)
Most of the time, it's the solvents (paint thinners) that are added to spray paints that is damaging foam. When you spray it from a longer distance, there's more time for those thinning solvents to evaporate in the air before it lands on your project. A warm water bath also helps the solvents evaporate into the air faster. Obviously if you're working on something that is detailed, you might need a sealer, but if you're trying to disguise exposed exterior xps from a duct... this is a different story.
Spray paints require solvents to make them thin enough to be sprayable. Every single spray paint is different, even if two colors by the same maker. Some colors require more pigment powers which makes the paint thicker, and that means it will need more solvents to be sprayable. Obviously use a paint that's compatible with the foam you're using, just keep in mind that if it's in a can, it's going to have some paint thinners in it.
Man that makes a great texture after it eats the paint . If you want to create stone walls !
I am working on a pyramid head helmet using this texture! It is gonna look great
Thanks lots
While the spray poly seems to hold up fine on the smooth, finished exterior of the foam, if there are any scratches or gouges that expose loose interior foam, this eats it right up, and will leave your foam wrecked.
Also, as others have mentioned, the aerosol is the main issue, not the poly itself. If you were to brush on poly, it would work great.
Does the mod podge (the non- aerosol one) make the foam hard? Im looking for something that will seal and harden the foam
Why didn't I think of putting a dab of paint in my mod podge...darn it😑 now I can use any color to add better coverage in case I decide to work with glitter. Thank youuuu👍👍👍
This is for before we start painting, am I right? I mean if we do it after, the paint will ruin our project obviously.
@@starmazaheri7448 Oh yes, do it before you even think of picking up the can of spray paint, and then just be patient my friend ☺️
Try Testors Model Master (the black cans) no CFCs. Just dust your work.
Ik this was a while ago but I just wanna ask if these hold up over time? Because last time I sealed my Yuffie shuriken with mod podge and then painted with acrylic paint and a month or so later the pieces were super bubbly, like bubbles in between mod podge and foam
What do you use to clean the foam first ? ... To get rid of grease and oils .... Thanks
Is the surface also hardened by the Minwax fast drying Polyurethane ?
Im using uphostery foam for a puppet head. What do I use to help smooth out mu cuts?
This is good information, but how hard are the coatings?
I didn't know superglue eats foam as well, I was making batticades and one of them cracked when cutting and when I tried to glue it, it started eating it fast, so I had to rinse it off and use a different glue and had to cut it off and change some of it.
What if the styrofoam is textured and you want the foam to be smooth? Do you cover it with tape or clay or something else?
Instant texture in a can :P
You can use spray paint as long as you are not too close and you let the propellant evaporate before continuing to apply paint. Aerosols have a mixture of paint and propellant and it's the propellant that's eats the foam
Thanks for the tip my brother in law was telling me the same thing he even pointed me to a spray paint that doesn't eat the foam and is alot more forgiving. He builds walls out of insulation foam for Halloween mazes for his neighbor every year.
is rustoreleum good sealer? i cannot find minwax polyurethane in my area
I have a foam board model that I'd like to prime and paint. I understand that the aerosol is what eats the foam but do you have any tips for doing foam board? Much appreciated
Sorry for the late response, foam board is a little tricky just because they're different types for example the covering on foam board can very from a light/heavy card stock covering as well as mat/glossy coating. Not to mention not all foam board is created equally. All foam board is open cell foam which means there is little air bubbles in the foam but depending on the quality of the board those air bubbles are either really tiny or slightly bigger. I promise this is going some where lol. I Would recommend when priming/painting foam board you would want to prime/paint both sides of any flat surface. If you don't you can get some warping due to those air bubbles on one side of the foam board getting filled in when you prime/paint. As for what to prime with I would recommend latex house paint. The key is to make sure to get at last two light but even coats on all surfaces especially the exposed edges. Then you can paint your project with apart paint with no problem. I hope your foam board model came out good🖒🏼
It's the aerosol itself that eats the foam. Anything that comes out of an aerosol can will cause it to melt. Even hairspray. If that same paint were sprayed from a mist pump bottle, the foam would not melt.
So if I just use a paint sprayer while using regular household paint or acrylic paint it would melt?
@@Lyric_Cross correct.
Will this work with floral foam?
thanks for the video. Do we need to do several times for spray sealer as well?
You can get away with one even and thorough coat but I would recommend at least 2 to 3 coats. Just because it goes on clear and you can miss a spot on your project leaving parts unprotected.
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Thank you very much for this video. I'm a bit confused and think maybe you mean ''how to prime your Foam board project'', rather than how to seal it. I mean imagine I paint my whole project and then use a mod podge with the black paint to ''Seal'' it? then all my project will become just black. I guess you are sealing the finishing project with the spray you are spraying in the end. What is the name of the spray please? some use just mod podge to finally seal their canvas. but on a Foam board, I do not know what to use to seal it with. This video seems to be showing how to prime a Foam board before we start painting on it I guess.
do you paint then seal it? or seal it then paint it? with the polyurethane i mean.
If you're using arousal paints you seal it with the polyurethane first. It gives you an extra layer of protection from most spray paints eating at the foam. If you're not comfortable with your spray painting technique beacuse it is possible to spray paint foam without sealing it. As long as you spray at good distance (6 to 8 inches or what's recommend by the manufacturer on the back of the can) and lightly mist you project in small burst, I recommend practicing on scrap foam. I hope this info was helpful and thanks for the question🖒🏼
Does the minwax clear coat "harden" the foam surface as well?
Its does not harden the surface, the surface is still susceptible to getting marked and scratches. Thanks for the question I hope your project goes well.
What kind of foam are you testing- polystyrene, polyethylene etc?
Chemistry is critical to what can be used, it's essential to specify.
Can you seal it after you painted a project. I already hand painted my character heads for Halloween..and I want to seal them.
Yes just make sure you do light coat from a distance if you're using a spray sealer. If you you over saturate you project with sealer you can lift your paint off your project depending of the type of paint you are using. Thanks for the question👍
Does the foam eventually stop reacting with the spray paint? I do like the texture it makes.
Thanks for the great question. It does eventually stop reacting I've seen some diorama builders use this effect very well. You can get the same texture using acetone. You could have a little bit more control by diluting the acetone and apply with a paint brush.
How do you apply the three coats of Elmer's glue? Pure or watered down?
Thanks for the question. I use pure Elmer's glue but I keep a jar of water near by to keep my brush damp to prevent brush stroke texture on my projects.
@@thetacticalnerdist7865 Did you use the clear glue or the white glue?
@tren507 I used white glue but honestly in my experience any pva glue will work. Thanks for the question 👍
Have you tried PlastiDip? I am a cosplayer and was wondering how it works to seal props. Thanks in advanced
You can not use it on xps unless you have sealed it with something else, at which point you no longer need it.... For anyone reading this in the future
@@angel0island0ninja hello i am from the future
Is mod podge the same as pva glue?
From what I understand they are very similar but mod podge is formulated to be used as protective coating and adhesive on most crafts. At my local craft store they have a whole section of different mod podge products formulated for different project. It's worth taking a look at when ever you get a chance.
Does this apply to foam boards too? Thanks
It does apply to foam board if you take the paper off to apply a protective coat. Thanks for the question👍
Is miniwax expensive
Not sure why you settled on the minwax spray when all the others protected just well for lower cost?
You're completely right but the cure time on the minwax help cut the work time on a big batch of projects. All methods are great but if I'm saving 3min to 5min per project/commission it's worth spending more money. Thanks for the question I hope that clears up why I settled for the minwax at the time🖒🏼
Seems like spraying it would be faster & easier than brushing on Anyway and more even. I thought that was why he liked to use the no wax spray? 🤷🏻♀️
Why does my mod podge make everything peel up…? What am I doing wrong
Moisture can play a big part of why it peels. If you have high humidity where you live it can cause peeling, if your paint is not 100% dry before you mod podge, or it can be the surface of your project can be to smooth causing peeling. I don't know your exact situation but here are some tips that might help. 1: If you think your project surface is to smooth try using a fine sandpaper to give your project a light sand to give some tooth to keep your paint and mod podge something to grip preventing your mod podge from shrinking and peeling off. 2: try applying thin layers of mod podge at a time giving plenty of time for each layer to dry this will help if you have light humidity (atleast 3 layers). 3: make sure your mod podge is properly mixed. And 4: if you're thinning your mod podge with water make sure you you keep your mix to 1 part water to 4 parts mod podge which is the recommend ratio given on the mod podge forum if I remember right. I hope this helps with your peeling issues and I hope your next project is a success🖒🏼
If I hear one more youtuber say "Modge Podge"...!!!
Liked the content. A suggestion would be to reduce the number of times you use the phrase "go ahead."
I’m guessing the spray modge podge won’t work
The propellant may be what is eating the foam more than the paint. Thanks for the great info. Using an air gun would be the test. It is also much cheaper to buy a can of Minwax not in a spray can if you do lots of projects.
Huge pet peeve of mine (and I wish I could tell you why it makes me want to scratch my eardrums out) is when people say "Modge Podge". I mean, c'mon man! It's written in huge letters right on the bottle! MOD PODGE
No worries I 100% understand you're not the first one to tell me or comment this. My wife always let's me know hahaha but I guarantee I don't say it that way anymore. I wish I could tell you how it came to me saying it this way but it's a boring story honestly (but I can tell you if you want). Thanks for the comment and I hope I didn't ruin your day.
Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Wow this guy really needs to respond to his veiwers. Geeze🤦🏾♀️
You're 100% right I didn't realize how much my channel has grown since I've been away for three years due to health issues amongst other things. I find myself in a better place and aim to release new content soon. If you have any questions I'll gladly answer them.
@@thetacticalnerdist7865 Glad you're well, growth is good, relief is great. Yea, some people are asking questions , we'd love your insight on.
@@CHRISTChrysalisInManhaim thank you for the kind words and for bringing my attention to everybody's question. I had the opportunity to answer all the questions in my comment section. I hope you have a good one and that any questions you had got answered in the comments.
@@thetacticalnerdist7865 thank you kindly, and you as well fellow human 🤗
I went and bought some minwax and tried it because you said it wouldn't melt styrofoam. I'll have to tell you that you're full of crap. It melted the styrofoam!
Modge Podge? The bottle literally has Mod Podge. Have I been saying it wrong this whole time!?
It’s not Modge Podge dammit. It’s mod Podge. It clearly says on the jar. And regardless of solvent propellant, you are spraying waaaaaaay too close
My wife tells the same thing all the time I just can't beat the habit of saying mod podge lol. Thanks for the usefull information on the spray paint and commenting🖒🏼
He simply stated he was spraying close-up! And I think its rude to correct someone. He knows wtf hes working with! I was recently working with deco paint and mod podge..and found myself saying "deco podge"🤣 it's not that serious someone like you would annoy tf out of me.👊
@@thetacticalnerdist7865 I knew what you meant! Some ppl just need to hear themselves talk! Thank you for the tips.
I do have a question. What can I use as a filler? Because styrofoam is so porous.
Repeat your chick must want to hurt you
Dude...with 50% less words spoken, there'd still be way too much dialog. Babble babble babble
Thanks. Good info.
But you repeat yourself an awful lot. It distracts from the flow of what you're doing and makes the video unnecessarily long.
You talk too much. Too much unnecessary info to make video longer.
Less talk and just show the s***