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Man, that bit at the end when he was talking about people cheating the system for commuting to work, and some of the people in chat saying "put a GPS tracker in the worker's car to use as proof of traffic". Yes, I'm sure that'd go over SUPER well with everyone, just letting whatever third-party organization your company uses track your location at potentially any given time.
amazon and other delivery companies are and have been doing this for quite a while, actually. Doesn't make it better
@@cobracrystal_ hell, office workers have tracking software om the pc, monitoring what they're doing, downtime and what not. It's crazy
In a company vehicle this isn't new. If you're talking about them tracking whether or not you were late based on a tracker in your personal vehicle, then I agree
@@torchlight3173 What guarantee is there that that would be the case? Who's to say that the government can't have a company that tracks its citizens put a setting on it that tracks where it's been when it's not on? I'm not so paranoid that I think that would be the case, but I know there are people that are, and they'd be pissed if they thought the company they work for was doing something like that.
@@chembabe8264 Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. What an employee does off-site from their job is none of the company's business.
Honestly, as much as we can agree that Watters is a troll, he was not a douchebag to the dude, he just presented them with very normal questions that anyone who first hears about anti-work would ask. Was it done as a trap? Sure, but he could have been far more vicious
I mean, if your answers make sense and aren't complete lunacy, basic, logical questions can't really be considered a 'trap'.
I think he definitely acted like a douchebag, but he wasn't a conspiracy theorist for once. Whenever I see him "calling out the Wokies" I just roll my eyes by the cringe, so it was indeed refreshing to just see an old fashioned making someone look like an idiot on TV.
Doreen clowned themself. I cant blame Jesse Watters because it doesn't matter who interviewed Doreen, Doreen still would have looked lazy & ridiculous.
Himself
@@testudo2185 * itself
@@Dan_Kanerva Bringing shame to both genders simultaneously, thats what it managed to do.
wtf is themself
@@MaXxOwnagesMel if you can't figure out it was a rhetorical question then you aren't very bright.
The moment of facepalm wasn’t when he said he was a dog walker, a job is a job, dog walker or surgeon, the moment of face palm was when he said laziness was a virtue.
Being 30 and working 20-25 hours a week(actually 10 lmfao) as well as having a goal that is extremely ridiculous(professor, really? For someone who doesnt like work?) was the facepalm for me
@@TheBrimmyRat also, I'm guessing he has no degree or knowledge linked to philosphy outside of the basics so what would he even teach ?
@@Chretze Yeah, maybe it wouldn't have hurt him to spruce up a bit for the interview as well.
@@TheBrimmyRat I feel like biggest problem was getting a guy that does dog walk for a living (probably doesn't really work tbh) in his 30s living with his parents working 20 hours a week and asking to work even less.
Anti Work in my experience was never about being lazy or working minimum hours, it was about working rights and being treated as a human being, getting paid proper wages and so on. Now you get a guy like that on fox news you're just asking for failure
The whole paet of him saying he walks dogs is that he said he wanted fewer hours. Which he could do if he just took fewer clients.
"I work all day everyday tirelessly to make sure I never have to get a job." Typical entrepreneur 😂
If that isn't the truth lmao. Hell, there's layers to that one even!
You mean never have to work for someone other than yourself. I have never eard someone say they're an entrepreneur to never work lol
@@astrocreepspider9068 most people that start their own business don’t realize how much work it’s going to be for the first 5-10 years. I’m in the middle of that right now. 7:30am-10:30pm Monday-Friday, 9:00am-6:00pm Saturday and whatever needs to be done on Sunday. Tomorrow (Sunday) I’ll be working roughly 1pm-6pm, rounding out 90 hours this weeks.
That graph hurt me. I worked at a production job and right before we were gonna be off for 2 weeks for Christmas the owners had a meeting where they told us we had increased their profits by, roughly, 190% and our thank you was a Christmas card and a cookie. It's things like this where companies aren't incentizived to even give out like a 50 cent raise when profit margins increase so drastically that caused this fucking issue
like he said, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, because this whole system was made that way, so the people up on top will never lose power
@@saldabest Thats why I mention a lack of incentive. Why WOULD a company give a bonus? They have no real reason to besides by moral obligation, which doesn't exist in this world, and morals aren't putting food on the table or money in your bank account
@@andrewmeyer3599 yeah i get that too, it's why learning a skill that not many people know will make you exponentially more valuable, that way you have leverage for bargaining your pay, many people are just too stuck in the cycle of repetitiveness to actually play their cards right, a simple 9 to 5 minimum wage job gives you time to look into other things to increase your value, but people aren't doing that. Life's fucked tbh, and as you said, morality doesn't put food on the table. People need to wake up and play their cards right to actually make a decent living.
That said, my comment stands firm, the top 1% will still never lose, all you can truly do is join them if you have the capacity, which most people do.
@@saldabest congratulations you bought into the illusion, its incredibly unlikly to break into the 1%. Much like the lottery a incredibly small number win and often those who do end up destroying themselves.
@@andrewmeyer3599 Morality can come through politics, just saying.
But imagine there would be an unconditionally income for everyone, that would give you enough to live a decent life. Workers would have a base of negotiation. Cleaning a toilet would increase in value. Jobs nobody really wants to do would not depend on people, that see no other way. It would give power to the people. But I assume you guys are from USA, so your country would have to go a long way to such kind of system. The main problem is the value of work and who decides what that is. In capitalism it should be negotiated between the workplaceholder and the worker, but let’s be real, there is always someone, who is willing to work, because no money, no life. So there is no pressure on the workplaceholders.
The problem is the guy demanding 20 hour work weeks isn't even working 20 hours a week. I think that's why Jesse responded with the smirk. It would be a lot more believable if he was work in an Amazon Warehouse, a coal mine or even as a game developer. It's like a 5th grader complaining that high school gives out to much homework. I don't see where Jesse is being a dick here. The kid is being ridiculous and Jesse just finds it funny.
He watches his mom's dogs and even talked about how 5 hours in a house NOT EVEN WALKING THEM was too much work and how he locked a dog away depriving it of water because it wouldn't go outside or stop barking.
To be fair, the amount of homework can get ridiculous at times.
because looking out for other people and their interests is ridiculous
@@BleachRush Homework shouldn't exist. Imagine you work for 8hrs just to go home to do MORE work? Fuck that.
The problem is that's exactly why they brought on that particular person to talk.
They saw an opportunity to bring on someone who would represent the movement in a negative light and jumped at the chance.
It's not that the interview itself has any problems inherent with what happens during it, but rather the fact that it happened at all.
People on Reddit can't take an L because its a giant fake cesspool of bullshit. It's just a bunch of faux-intellectuals trying to out meta each other. It's the most cringeworthy place on the internet.
Your absolutely right. But is that any different than the real world?
The most common brainlet way of arguing on reddit is to simply say "did you really just make that comparison?" without explaining at all why the comparison is unfair or bad. It's like they haven't read the classics where argument from analogy is pretty common.
Tiktok: hold my beer
@@stevenhair3250 Yeah, people who normally would be laughed at and not taken seriously suddenly have a sense of power or authority.
@@GusMortis Nah dude, Reddit's pretentious culture is way worse. At least people on TikTok try to have fun. People on Reddit are the least funny/entertaining people ever.
"Hello, I'm a 21 y/o Male, long term unemployed anarchist" 🤣 bro what? You're 21. You're not long term anything at that age.
That's the part that bothered you? Not that he is an unemployed, anarchist piece of trash?
About the commute part at the end:
In Denmark where I live, depending on how many kilometers you have from your home adress to your workplace, a certain amount of your income will be tax free. It's called "kørselsfradrag" and it's applicable to anyone for any job. It can't really be exploited either because the government knows where you live and needs to know where you work so they can confirm and then calculate the distance.
Is there a direct English translation for “korbshdjskd” or is it solely a Danish phrase?
@@Southernstereotype It pretty much just means "Driving Deduction". It essentially refers to that if your commute is longer than 24km (12km per way included) then you are eligible to a deduction, the exclusions being if you have a company vehicle or the company pays for your commute, in which case you're expected to use those methods.
@@cryingalone7572 whoever penned the Danish written language was 100% coming off 10 Juger bombs, 2 blunts, and 7 grams of shrooms.
Does this get complicated with contractor/traveling work?
As an American I am all for this! Any reduction in taxes is a good change!
Once you realize that your job can be done from anywhere, rest assured your employer will find a way to move that job to someone on the other side of the planet who will do it for 10% of what they're paying *you*. By the same token, back in the early 90s I was working for a German-owned company in the US for like $25k and 2 weeks vacation. I went to Germany for 5 weeks of training and in those 5 weeks there were 3 holidays that took up 5 days off and I found out my German counterparts *started* with 30 days of vacation plus additional weeks based on their age/years of service. They came in at 8am and left at 5pm, no overtime, not weekends, no on-call. Americans work way more for their pay then people in other civilized countries. As someone who worked on salary for 30 years I can tell you, never calculate your actual hourly rate, it's depressing.
i mean i have never been to america and can form my opinion only on what i read and see online so im somewhat careful with that still but hearing stuff like some guys dont have paid vacation at all or use their vacation to call in sick just baffles me to say the least.
i honestly dont know a single person from my country not a single one that would put up with you guys working conditions.
like even the most die hard "working till i die" boomers here in germany would tell any boss to fuck off if they tried to pull off shit like that (not that they could because a lot of the worker benefits are legally mandatory but yea nobody here would put up with that).
@@mcdick1621 Those conditions exist here for the same reason work conditions in Japan exist that even Americans think of as borderline slave labor; because the average person tolerates it. If requiring weekends, on-call hours, and overtime made employees flee from employers, I guarantee you that nobody in the US would require them.
@@mcdick1621 Most of the working conditions you see online are the extreme minority situations. Don't read too much into them. Also, I'd like to point out, there is a reason why the majority of global enterprise is in Korea, US, China, and Japan. Germany's future is pretty bleak due to poor economic and social decision-making. Most of Europe's is.
@@LaFonteCheVi who gives a damn the USA has been the global hegemony for 80 years and they've been the worst most curuot years in USA history were better off being second
@@LaFonteCheVi Lol is it? Is the reason for enterprise maybe cheapest first world stability environment, with having to pay least in worker benefit hours which makes it ideal for jobs that are not super technical, since the expendable people are the governments problem anyway if they break down. The cost of opening up a factory in rural America is a fifth of the cost of one in Germany and half the cost of one in Canada.They have all these pesky workers rights and health regulations, so truly do appreciate the US Gov for that one.
Sorry r/Anti-Work, a company can select any criteria they would like for selecting their employees that does not discriminate based on age, race, gender, sexual orientation...however, you cannot remove the drug testing requirements because drugs and alcohol are already proven to impair the user, and safety alone is more than reason enough.
In my country they can even choose (even listed as requirements) based on age, race, gender, sexual orientation, and that sucks. We got clear distinct between *women and men jobs* here and anybody who voiced against it are branded SJW.
Drug tests don't tell you if you are on anything currently so why should it be any business of the company what you do in your spare time
@@mugi_c4420 ... if you have a clear history of drug use... then there's no guarantee you won't show up to work on a substance... comparing the reputation of the establishment that your employed at... making everyone look really fucking stupid in the process.. that is why.
@@mugi_c4420 Because drugs effects doesn't magically stop when your spare time ends and work time starts ?
@@MariusThePaladin you could say the same thing about booze but these companies don't care cuz it's normal. These companies will control you as much as they can as long as you keep licking the boot
“How did this subreddit fall?“
Well, the default answer to that question is “too much pedophilia, even for Reddit”, so let’s see if they broke the mold.
The Mods Probably Quit in Support.
No, they were just kicked out
I spit my drink out reading this holy shit hahaha
7:40 The thing with drug testing is that it can be soundly argued against in principle, but when you try to actually list out jobs where drug testing would be unnecessary, you find that most jobs DO need to make sure that their workers aren't on drugs. That includes anything that requires heavy machinery or driving, anything where the workers are handling other people's food, anything where the worker interfaces with customers from the general public, anything where the workers are handling real-time data (especially financial) or administration for the company, anything where the worker is managing or supervising other employees, anything where the worker is handling sensitive information, anything where the worker has to open up a device connected to the electric grid, just so many jobs are necessarily in need of drug-free workers. You'd have an easier time listing which jobs SHOULDN'T have drug tests than ones that should.
Imagine if the dude in charge of the nuclear codes was trippin balls and posted them publicly. It was strange how conflicted he was when trying to figure this out. It's very easy. If there's danger of the worker to injure themselves or others in their work, come in with healthy cognitive functions.
Most jobs do not need drug testing, this is nonsense
@sparv1067 So that's your entire argument?
Tell me why customer facing roles don't need drug testing?
Tell me why government officials don't need drug testing?
Tell me why road maintenance crews don't need drug testing?
To be fair- in most societies, most people aren't on drugs and certainly not on a regular basis- unless maybe it's alcohol, but even then it's relatively uncommon for someone to be drunk on-site, and unless one wanted to only hire teetotalers (a small share of most populations that aren't Muslim) it would pretty much require a breathalyzer test on an intrusive basis. So drug testing is necessary in societies like the US, sure (for what jobs require it), but it's also a symptom of a much broader societal issue to begin with.
It's kinda like say- requiring metal detectors and shooter safety drills in schools. Wildly unnecessary and even insulting in most societies, necessary in the US. Yay America?
@@sparv1067 What a great argument you've made, seriously. Have you ever considered being a philosopher and gracing the world with such high IQ takes?
Commuting to work is a work benefit here in the Netherlands. You just have to give your adress and for every km you travel you get something like 20 cents or something. Some companies even give more bonusses if you cycle to work
That’s extremely little tho
@@ChinnuWoW I was just using a random number because it is different for everyone depending on job and location and other factors. Could be a lot more.
Well see in America, a country like 10x the size of the nethers, it uses a lot of gas and tears up your car. Not to mention right now gas is like $5-$9 a gallon I believe. Its fucked dude. I pay $60 for my car every 2 weeks and thats because I chose a gas efficient car. I can only imagine what others are going through losing that extra income.
@@lyonfowl2935 size is not the problem. Infrastructure is. We have great public transport and have a lot of roads to encourage cycling. The us needs better city planning
@@kevinh3238 Not everyone lives in or can afford to live in the city
I can rewatch that interview a million times and it wont stop being hilarious
For me the problem with online movements is that it's too easy to discredit them. If some companies really wanted to it's easy to make alt accounts or pay some desperate people to just act like jackasses and complete incompetents. Because people will generally be anon unless they doxxed themselves or got hacked they won't really suffer consequences and the movement will be discredited.
And that is exactly what happened, 100% of movements that wanted to change something in the world to the better are discredited - some because they was shitty from the start, some because they become shitty when shitty people jumped to the train to make profit out of it, and some unjustly discredited by any at least slightly powerful who was bothered by them
so there we are, in dragged without end postmodernism era where nothing about real world can matter (and born from it zoomer twitter population that WANTS meaning but cant separate reality and fiction, cringy scam and actual movements)
Working as a dishwasher for many years, my biggest gripe is that employers don't tolerate illness. Not only do you never get paid sick leave or absences, you're expected to show up for work NO MATTER WHAT. That's the thing really being pushed here is that you must work to survive. Essentially becoming a wage slave.
When I worked for a college, one of the dishwashers came in to work AFTER BEING THROWN FROM HIS MOTORCYCLE GOING 50+ MPH, with severe injuries... Instead of going to the hospital or otherwise taking time off from work, he shows up for work. That's how fucked up our society is if a person gets run over by a truck and is expected to get up and go work a shitty job for low pay.
Fucking covid comes out and they shut down the whole economy but don't give people extra sick leave. I caught it a month ago and I still feel like im going to fall over if I stand up too long.
@@maxvarjagen9810 Damn that sucks. I just got COVID too, about 4 days ago. This is my 3rd time being infected. Except this time it's been worse than ever. I also feel very dizzy if I stand up and walk. The worst thing is that the first time I got infected it wrecked my kidneys (and testicles). I recovered from the latter after about 6 months, but my kidneys continue to decline. 😩
It really feels like the entire pandemic was planned... It's hard to believe something so deadly was just "accidentally" released into the public. The security for these labs must be extraordinary, ESPECIALLY in China. They spray the streets to disinfect all surfaces, force quarantines for weeks, but they can't prevent a virus from infecting the public?? 😒
@@orionxavier6957 Idk man I just know that everything about this has been completely irrational from the start. Some of the conspiracies have gotta be true this has been so ridiculous but its hard to know which ones and to what degree. You sound like you got it way worse than me. The problem I have had is its been hard to separate the physical and psychological symptoms of this thing. Feels like the virus is gaslighting me. Rn at home I feel fine but I tried going in to work yesterday and it was like the symptoms kicked back in again after a few hours. Like idk how im supposed to pay for shit like this when it takes so damn long to get back up.
@@torchlight3173 Oh yeah I remember the pain from that was unbearable. Mostly because my parents convinced me not to take pain meds. (Except the initial anaesthesia)
Only in the USA
Y'all ever eat corn the long way?
You're absolutely correct. Taco Bell starts at $9/hr and they are wondering why people don't want to work the worst shift possible in a garbage fast food joint.
Okay, then how do you explain seeing places like Taco Bell and McDonald’s offering jobs for 14-21 dollars an hour(which is fucking insane for working at a fast food joint) and they still can’t hire people?
Also claiming if you can’t afford to pay people more then your business sucks? So all small businesses suck then from your logic yeah?
@@Herojuana8 Because those aren't the starting wages at those fast food places. You might find that in certain places by certain franchise owners but that isn't universal pay across the board for every location. The Taco Bell next to me is starting at $9/hr.
It isn't about the business sucking because Taco Bell and McDonald's can't be compared to a small business in a small town. The point is you can't expect much from people if you're going to pay shit wages and if you're a large company paying shit wages expect people to walk on the job constantly. The worst thing is turnover rate at a job which happens all the time in low cost positions.
This is exactly how I feel. No one is entitled to other people's labor. I care about my job and like my boss, but I work there to pay my bills. If he didn't pay me enough I would be forced to leave.
Get rid of minimum wage laws. You can't hire someone for a starting position at 14/hr. Eventually the business has to make money, or no one will have a job
Some people just don't understand that Tucker Carlson and Jesse Waters are just master trolls. 10th level planning. They know exactly what they're doing and who they're interviewing when they do these shows. It's hysterical.
Exactly. Have you heard cumtown the podcast? Nick Mullen on the pod does just an awesome gay Tucker Carlson. Hurts my sides.
I work in IT and this vid hits hard for me. My job is a life sucking abyss which worsened when Covid hit, and everyone started WFM.
Not complaining, I'm grateful for what I have, but honestly I feel a part of my soul has left my body that I will never get back.
It'll keep getting worse forever, you gotta get out and find something better while you still have some kind of motivation to do so.
Even better if you have a good amount of money saved to take something lower paying to work your way up.
I’m on the opposite side of that coin, building maintenance for a company that had most of its employees swap to work from home after Covid. it’s a weird 50/50 between being a ghost town and being full of antisocial rich nerds on most days
Wonderful comment to read as I’m going into IT then to cybersecurity
"antiwork" is literally the worst name they could have picked for the sub
the problem is that the OG were basically as the documental shows up, Homeless or people barely reaching minimun wage to survive the month. of course it have a lot of sense this people picked that name.
Lazywork is better?
@@shadstewart9253 Work Reform or something like that
From what I remember the OG members *were* anti-work. Anarchists or whatever. The majority of members there shifted it to work reform, and definitely didn't agree with the old guard's stance
Messaging is important
I love the irony of the denizens of Antiwork being pissed at the Fox News interviewee for not doing any work to prepare...
“Never trust a drug addict” - Gus Fring
He then went on a rant about how drug addicts are unreliable, generally unstable, and are less productive then they would be if they didn’t use drugs.
Based gus fring
It depends which phase of addiction they’re in. If they’re still in the first 1-2 years of addiction, they can actually be MORE productive and reliable 😂. After that, they tend to start going downhill fast..
being a janitor or flipping burgers is the worst jobs these kids can think of...... Jesus privileged Christ.
being a janitor is awesome. nobody bothers you all shift every shift
I loved being a janitor it so chill
Bro respect janitor they worked hard for their family just to keep food on their table and also janitors don't cause no trouble and not a menace to society.
send them into forced labour, then they'll realise how good they have it
@hungryburger1170
Everyone loved the janitor in my middle school.
Holy shit I just realized I was one of those people they hired to replace the workers. Only for a month tho cause I quit. It was a 45min drive there and back and they only paid me $12/hr and only gave us 15 min breaks.
The discussion around the 10:00 mark, I think if you are operating anything with an engine or something that involves human life, be it a packaging machine at Amazon or a 80 ton truck or a doctor, you shouldn't be under influence of anything and random testing should be fair game.
Anything that you can use to injure yourself or someone else shouldn't be operated while high or drunk.
Hecc you probably shouldn't be allowed to operate them if hungover even.
Edit: added stuff
Just don't do drugs, shits poison
I tried Driving while hungover once...
Never again in my life will I ever try it again 💀
Truckers are bound to be replaced with some self-driving AI shit anyways.
As a dog walker (in a rural area) I get paid pretty decently(17$ hr pls gas and tips) I only walk one-two dogs at a time, and rather there’s about 30 minutes a day set for each household; I love it, I get exercise, can listen to podcasts, and get to spend time with the most pleasant creatures on the planet (10/10 would reccomend) oh and I work about 30 hrs a week, would work more because it’s really enjoyable
Yeah, lots of people sneer at Doreen being a dog walker, but honestly that sounds like a pretty great job. Though it's kind of ironic that you're a dog walker called "Cat cat".
@@lightworker2956 lol Ikr 😅
@@lightworker2956 Doreen only worked around 10h/week, she lied about the 20h part. So yeah sneers all around.
@@bustywaifus"she" omegalul
Its not really about him being a dog walker lets be honest with ourselves.
I most recently got a $15/hr job and... the difference in my quality of life changed drastically. I have a roommate sharing half of utilities & rent, riding my bicycle to work, I make about $1,400 a month in SAVINGS. The extra pay also meant less turn-over rate, easy employment, more productivity, and overall everyone in my store was FRIENDLY! Ever had a whole work staff be nice to you? It's really crazy because I've worked for 5 other retail stores working $10/hr and everyone was MISERABLE, constant call-offs. Employment was only good if your from a reputable business. Toxic environment. I just think It's time for companies to grow up and face the reality that their job can benefit from actual modern wages.
Pay everybody more than now, products and services cost more. People demand more pay again and the cycle continues. It would only work if people weren't greedy. But if people weren't innately greedy and selfish generally, we might not even exist at this point in time or be much worse off all around. Things also COULD be much better in that hypothetical world, but I highly doubt it.
@@CodIsRecycledBS
A lot of that extra cost would be mitigated by shortening the supply chain, though. That box of diapers that cost $30 would be a third of that if it was made in Georgia instead of Taiwan, your 6$ gallon of gas would still be 2$ if it was pumped in the Gulf Coast instead of Russia. The supply chain is deliberately made as impractical and byzantine as it is in order to keep production costs low and retail value sky-high.
@@CodIsRecycledBS thats why i always say as long as you pay taxes, dont commit crimes and have a job you should atleast be entiltled a place to live and access to some food. Even a small nice shack will do alot of good for peoples mental health. But instead you get people slaving away just to barely get by.
@@CodIsRecycledBS its not like we live in a culture that encourages people to become more greedy, not less?
(also, hilariously, what you said can work other way around - here, in Eastern Europe, people make much less money, but everything also costs times less that in the West, and lesser quality is a thing only about electronics. But people still mostly unsatisfied, especially because they still want to buy international brand productions, that is priced around Western salaries and not around ours so yeah)
The fact you feel that way about travelling to work in terms of it not counting as work time is exactly why people like to work at home. Travel can add extra 2 hours to your day, but working at home removes this entirely. And btw, working at home can be taken advantage of....but of course it's a great idea. Would you argue it's a bad idea?
Unless your work is to bring stuff from your house to your place of business, you should absolutely not be paid for "time traveled" to and from work. Time traveled is of no consequence to the job. If the employer can't find enough people to work for them regardless of distance, they either need to pay more or are probably in a bad location and don't deserve to be in business.
Americans actually arguing about this stuff makes me realize how much I take for granted lol. My daily commute takes around 2-3 hours total and being compensated for it is just a given.
If production is objective and it doesn't change or actually increases for the individual worker at home what is the justification of saying they are 'taking advantage?'
I get paid travel time if I have to travel somewhere besides the office, but to and from the office I see no reason you should get paid for that. If you have to travel an especially long way to work every day then it's really up to you to decide whether or not the pay and benefits are worth it. If the employer has to pay that time then you won't even have an option, you just won't be offered the job.
@@GuyFromJupiter There's a thing called supply and demand and when done correctly it shows a line between profitable and not profitable. If a business wants to setup in such a way its close to other businesses in the core of the city for minimizing costs and employees have to live two hours away to afford housing seems like a pretty one sided relationship. If the business needs people to function its not a one sided trade off where they're doing the person a huge favor by giving them a job. I say this as a business owner. The compensation package I give employees is due to the money they make me. I can't make money without them there. What benefit would my employee be getting driving to and from work that is to their benefit? Especially in rush hour traffic? Spending money to make money doesn't make sense on hourly or salary, it only makes sense as an independent contractor or business owner. The why being they can't write it off on their income as tax reduction.
The commute should be paid for in certain circumstances. I worked a job where I would travel to different stores to fill schedule vacancies. If I clocked in at my home store, and was then requested at a different store, my commute between the stores was paid for. But not if I was scheduled to go to a different store without ever clocking in at my home store.
29:25
No, you can get banned on 4chong, but you have to be a special type of sperg to do it. Even just getting a 3-day timeout is hard as long as you can stay somewhat on topic to the board you're on.
Yeah, I reckon the only way to get a permanent ban is posting literally CP
Hello newfriends.
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One of their rules is don't post shit that violates US law, so anything that fits would probably do it. Other than that, the only thing I could thing is being a giant thorn in the ass for the mods while also ban evading the temp-bans you'd get.
RISE UP ALL MY DOG WALKERS!!!!!!!!!
THE HARDEST JOB OF HISTORY
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*Mother's Dog Walkers. Dude called walking his mom's dogs a job 😂🤡
The only problem with drug testing is that certain drugs like marijuana will still be in your system beyond the point of you being under their influence. This was a problem we've had in trying to quantify a level of toxicity of marijuana for driving under the influence .
One news station dead an investigative report where they had a new user, a regular user, and a medical user drive a vehicle after taking various amounts.
The medical user hit her first cone on the third stage of testing while under the influence of an amount that was stronger than her medical dosage.
Thats actually false. Marijuana does not stay in your system that long. The reason it shows up in your system long after you are intoxicated is because they aren't testing for thc, they're testing for thc metabolites. Metabolites are the things that metabolilze - break down - the thc in your system. They do not test for intoxication or thc levels in your body. They are testing solely for a history of use by assessing whether or not you have a certain amount of metabolites in your system. If the same standard were applied to alcohol, people who would blow a .00 on a breathalyzer would still be considered "drunkards" by the metabolite analysis and people would be saying that "alcohol stays in your system for so long".
@@jcaesar19871 it makes sense in a way even though millions of people have been driving stoned everyday for years and have no issues.
@@jcaesar19871 right, but what’s the point of a drug test if it stays in your system long after using it? So I go on vacation to San Diego and smoke a fat bowl, I go home two weeks later, get a surprise drug test, and get fired even though I haven’t touched anything for over two weeks? How does that make sense?
Nah, the mouth swab has a 6 hour window
So on the topic of drug testing as someone who works in the service Industry at a place that does not drug test, we have had several major I juries from stoned at work employees that only were discovered to be high as hell during a state required drug test when those employees were taken to get aid for the injury sustained. Leading the rest of the team to have to really push ourselves past the limit to cover for people who didn't look high but were. I'm pro drug testing and I'm a stoner myself.
The thing is people want to work less, and work with things that they find fun or they feel accomplished. Most people don't or can't work like that.
The only solution I see is very far in the future, automatizing shitty work with robots. That's all.
That's sounds like literal man children complaining. Even if you have your dream job, or be a CZcamsr there is work, effort, and sacrifices that need to be made that makes even the best job in the world hard, and frustrating to deal with.
But I agree to an extent that some jobs. Primarily at Amazon Warehouses are too much, and future automation can't come soon enough.
But then some people will complain about robots taking over jobs.
Robots won't solve anything, because bullshit jobs exist. We already have automation for a huge part of the industry. It doesn't solve anything, because at the end of the day employers are trying to pay as low as it's possible, while getting the most work possible with that budget.
@@1LuvMLPFiM they'll say that, but then also complain about welfare, which is a solution to at least a majority of their concerns
@@lukkkasz323 I mean, a future where no work exists outside of entertainment, medicine and technology (which cannot be automated much). Everything else is automated.
I totally get the commute time one. I worked 8:00 to 5:00 but it was really like 6:30 to 6:00, because of getting ready to go into an "business casual" environment and commute times.
When covid hit I got to go for a remote and then 2 years later when the company decided that they want everybody to come back into the offices I said no and got another job That's fully remote and I'm ending up making more now than if I would have stayed. but I also knew that there was an amount I was willing to take as a pay cut because I had figured out the real cost to me of doing it an on-site job versus a remote job. Ex 20*8=160 but 160/11.5=13.9, and that's not including gas, vehicle wear and tear, eating out for lunch because of a non-existent kitchen in office, and wardrobe costs.
I like the idea of the anti-work being against generally practices being highly dated or not feasible. But the general people that were a part of the movement arnt individuals like me.
I use to work Retail where I did back breaking work, working pallets of products to shelves and checking dates, etc. Never got to move up cause the company said I wasnt paying attention to customers or thought I was nothing more then a mule and watching a co-worker sit with the boss talking all day watching CZcams videos get to be store managers, etc. The game is rigged and even talking about my issues people would suggest dehumanizing things like "You did it to yourself. Shouldnt have worked that hard, lmao" or "Just get educated" or other half baked no answers.
They dont realize that some things in retail for judging productivity is fucking stupid, counting "Piece" numbers and setting a # like getting 150 pieces of product a day. I was no joke getting 600+ pieces by their standards from working soft drink pallets by myself, getting 4 pallets of frozen and 1 - 2 pallets of dry grocery a day. They dont account for weight like cans or laundry supplies isnt as heavy like cereal or spices. 150 of spices is half pallet yet 100 pieces of cans is a full pallet of hard grueling work. Yet most of co-workers would just get light duty and often leave me the shit end.
I worked a large volume of product I started to get a feel for when a product moved, how much and time to start getting more efficient and faster. THAT NEVER PAID OFF FOR ME. It just meant that my boss or supervisors was "Great team leaders". When I started checking invoices I even started getting the idea of physically added up the gross value of products I was moving and have a better merit system of judgement, spreed sheeting and graphing the huge fall of productivity when it was my days off. And even when doing that and emailing district managers, HR and explaining my situation and theorizing ways to improve the overall store situation to be more efficient, etc. Never got back shit past my bosses looking more pissed at me and saying buzz terms like he isnt a "Team player" or when I suggest they made a mistake making someone else an assistant manager they told me "We already trained that person, to bad and we hear you have an attitude. We dont want you to have that issue with potential customers".
No shit I have an attitude, I'm fucking giving 200% while other people giving 5% effort is getting grossly rewarded.
Workplaces dont reward creative thinking and reward hard work with more work. And if you set a standard for yourself the idiots will use that as the norm for you and stomp you out. Ie: Working at 200% but relax to 100%, to them your being lazy despite other workers doing 5 - 10% productivity.
Just use a pallet truck bro, pretty easy.
then change jobs? The companies cant force people to work so if you get treated like trash you leave the company its that simple. seems to me like you were doing that job for a decently long time and were slow to learn your lesson. your experience doesnt apply to every company and every job. the company was trash and YOU DECIDED TO STAY. should have got the fk outta there sooner and started looking for a place that values your effort or start employing yourself or train yourself for a proper blue collar job so that you actually have a skill making you someone who is needed and valuable. the cold hard truth is that literally fkin anyone can do that job and you devalued yourself to meet their price by staying. jobs like welding pay RIDICULOUS amounts in the USA. You have so many more opportunities than most people on this earth. Its up to you to capitalize on them.
This was my exact feeling working retail. Muling & sweating = 100% ok with me if it's respected; watching lazy people get rewarded over me = 0% ok.
Massive kudos with the emails and spreadsheets, I didn't come close to that level of investment. Shows your character and ethic
@@VacuumDweller Yeah, I was getting advice from a whole bunch of people but nothing really stuck at the time. But I was venting once online and some guy said he worked at some accounting firm and they recently worked with Kelloggs to count the yearly sales of all the products within the brand and showed what was the highest stuff. (Poptarts was #1 by a massive amount and Corn Flakes was dead last, lol)
But seeing the graph and how it was broken up I had thought it was really smart and tried mimicking the style to break up the months to record. Even had some ideas like the cash registers record sale times so you could use that to pin point exactly when a product was empty on the shelves by knowing how much the shelves hold and how much units are sole, then having strong management able to understand that theres a delay when someone is shopping an finally checking out that its that key time frame to fill and fix up displays to maximize sales.
Also had some wild ideas like using club card/loyalty programs. When they register they have people's phone numbers so you could in theory cross reference the numbers in yellow pages to have street addresses and rough estimate what their spending budgets are based on property values. And by doing so pin point with certainty what an expected monthly revenue is and more importantly, KNOW where each areas are lacking and have clear plan to tackle them.
By idk, maybe this was "Above my pay grade" to them.
@@freezingcicada6852 The issue was that you were "too ambitious" while your boss was knowingly corrupt. Was there someone higher that would listen or was that boss the head honcho?
21:15: The dog walker thing. I'd say get a longboard. Years ago I used to live in Sacramento and new this homeless guy with 2 dogs. Leashed up with his board he basically was a dog sledder all through town. Looked kinda fun.
27:40: And you said all of that with this dead ass serious tone I, seriously, couldn't muster. Brilliant dude.
The end stuff about commuting, where I'm from you get compensated for fuel and wear and tear if your commute distance is over X distance.
At one point during some part time work, I had to drive over an hour to get to my work location for 6 weeks, I was compensated for the fuel used, and wear and tear based on a preset rate, although since I took very good care of my car wear and tear was negligible, and that compensation was enough to pay my fuel cost even outside work those 6 weeks.
Power tools definitely helped every industry in the world when it comes to productivity. Guys used to be on the side of the road for 12 hours with breaker bars changing tires 🤣
I bet his arms were jacked 😂
Almost no drug tests exist in the Netherlands, only the most sensitive ones (pilots etc). Generally it is considered a tremendous invasion of privacy, so a big no-no. Goes pretty damn good here in the country with ecstasy and cocaine fueled EDM festivals
Thank god for the Netherlands
I don't see why knowing weather the person I'm hiring is a crackhead or not is such a huge breach of privacy.
@@EpicMinecraftFail Well yeah, that’s why they do it for certain jobs. Idgaf if my mailman is using spare envelopes to cut lines as long as my mail gets here on time lmao
@@DrGandW fair enough
@@EpicMinecraftFail depends on the job .............is it a guy bring tin up a ladder or a truck driver
Regarding the commute, you get a small compensation in EU which is based on the fastest most direct route to work
If the job is easy enough and inconsequential enough that you were able to let them work from home for months, save yourself some money on office space and just let them work from home. Just pay them a salary or as independent contractors getting paid per piece of work they complete.
Never heard of some one that uses drugs, not use it at work. Its just better, from a legal perspective, for a company to not deal with that shit.
There are likely to be “responsible” drug users, just as there are “responsible” alcohol drinkers; assuming all of them are massive junkies on the clock is a vast oversimplification. The issues here are that there’s a metric ton of irresponsible drug users, there’s a lot of burnout drug users, and the vast majority of drugs are illegal. Businesses, having to deal with things like liability insurance, have to play the odds. Odds say that if someone tests positive for drugs, it’s at least an even shot that they’re not restricting it to off-work time, or that they may suffer impairment or lack of efficiency due to their proclivities, or that they are or may be involved in illicit activities, or any combination of those. Leading to, as you say, the business deciding it’s just better not to deal with it at all.
@@kaineandrews3790 Worked around drug addicts and before that I was dealing and I was one for many years.
So, no. there's are no "responsible" drug users. Most of them were unemployed(go figure) or working at shitty production line or construction jobs, getting high to get stronger(Morphine/Opiates are helluva drug, much easier to carry buckets of rubble all day like that.) or deal with stress/withdrawals. There's no moderation, you will eventually be taking more and more. And while in construction when all you're doing is carrying buckets of rubble all day it isn't much of a problem(unless they'll steal stuff, which happens) but in any more complicated jobs it definetly is.
I'm not exactly talking about Psychodelics - Weed included but those are more often than not, the same. I saw wayy too many people getting addicted to them and fucking up their brain with dissociative disorders or else.
Knew a guy on construction, we called him "Green, guy was living with his mother and was smoking 5g everyday morning and then going work, getting some money and buying more weed. That's all his life was, going work to get money and smoking weed, he was stalking from the boss so he got kicked out. So yes, you can get addicted to it and it is not uncommon.
Other guy was taking 500, sometimes 1g of morphine I.V(Medical dosage is
I smoke weed every single night before bed and have dabbled with pills like Percs, Adderall, etc. for many, many years… I’ve been to work buzzed/high plenty of times…
The difference is that I can handle it and I actually care about my job. Many other drug users are NOT like that though, so it’s hard to differentiate..
after Covid I developed a streamlined system in the field that I work in which allowed me to go with the business for myself. I realize that anyone who does any kind of physical work for any length of time is generally being underpaid. This is especially true with regard to construction workers, mechanics, and autobody technician. Not to mention landscapers, tree cutters, and all the other outdoor maintenance people. Part of the problem is that there were too many people forming businesses and under cutting each other. This drove prices down and forth contractors to take on many jobs at once. Therefore they needed more workers to be able to complete the project and job but because each individual job was being charge less and less they couldn’t afford to pay each worker what they actually deserve.
The problem with manual labor is that there are a lot of people who are strong and can lift and build things. Outside of very few examples, most manual labor jobs aren’t very skilled workers. I agree that they should be payed more, but it will never happen because their are too many people who will do that job for less based on their circumstance. Just the world we live in.
@@sneedly3355 Yes and no. I agree there are always people willing to do work who don’t possess much skill. But in the end depending on the job you’re doing having people that know the work and are good at it and have experience doing it produces better results. In the end this only benefits the owner of the business. I have a small business myself and hire people to do manual labor. However the type of work I do requires a certain amount of understanding and ability to follow instructions. So when my workers do better it makes it easier for me and more profitable because I can turn out units faster. So therefore I don’t mind paying them accordingly.
There was a post about a huge business having a PPP loan getting forgiven that was drawn in April but one restaurant was shutting down because prices for ingre6were too high to work with. It seemed like they didn't realize over there that it wasn't just a single restaurant that took 4 mil in PPP loans.
Great video, I was a little skeptical, but I like your reasoning. Never even heard of this shit till today. 😂
Complaining about wages and insisting on raising minimum wage from the beginning was the sub's downfall: the key issue was always inflation destroying the value of the dollar.
Raising minimum wage only causes worse issues with inflation.
Not to mention that things were getting cheaper. Look at TVs. Technology. And more but now things get more expensive.
Raising minimum wages is just getting the rich richer, and the poor are still as poor as before because economics mecanism.
Citation needed. It is commonly understood ever since Keynes that increased aggregate demand compensates the negative effects of raising wages. Also, how would raising the minimum wage cause inflation when it hasn't been rising with inflation for years? Raising it now would only put its purchasing power on par with what it used to be. The most ironic thing about this is that you're blaming inflation for something that is a result of inequality, largely enforced through wages. If there was inflation money-wise but payment distribution remained the same, you wouldn't lose any purchasing power: prices double, your salary doubles too. Your salary comes from what clients pay, and clients are paying more, so you should get paid more. Why do you lose purchasing power? Because prices double, your boss/owner income triples and you get the same salary. Now, whose fault is that?
@@Jorge-np3tq Dude. If minimum wage was raised, then companies would need to raise product prices in order to stay profitable, and now you're back to square one, price-wise versus your wages. Your argument only works when taking into account a single company, while minimum wage raising means that every company in the country will be raising prices, effectively cancelling any real value gain. This isn't rocket science; this is basic economics, 101.
Jorge please tell me you're still under 18. Anyone who understands basic economics knows you can't hire a 14/yo at 14/hr with no work experience.
My argument against the drive to and from work being easily abused at 35:20 would be some sort of compensation based on miles driven rather than time. This could also be difficult based on urban vs rural driving though, so maybe it's a combination of both time and miles, or something of the sort. Hell, maybe you have google maps to track the time it took which i believe would also show traffic during your drive.
That's something which can be negotiated with the employer in many jobs in the UK. One of our contractors gets paid travel expense, but they're driving 5h per day and are expected to go to various sites across the country.
I really don't understand why traveling is your employers responsibility though. I used to cycle to work in the rain and the cold at 4am, it never occurred to me that my employers should be doing better for me, I didn't feel that entitled.
Could you imagine how ridiculous traffic would be if people had no incentive to shorten their commute aside from fuel & vehicle wear? Though sometimes I wonder if the online job market is so random that workers don't really choose their jobs.
@@michaeljackson8002 Well just because you didn't think of it doesn't mean you didn't deserve it. People travel to work FOR their job so it doesnt seem too unreasonable to get compensated for it.
@@ingold1470 If you travel through or into a city for your job, you're going to have traffic either way. I guess it could cause traffic to be longer but if people have deadlines for their job, they need to get to work to even be able to meet them.
In a lot of European countries, you get a compensation for km travelled to your work.
BUT, and this is very important, an employer is not obligated to compensate YOUR choice to seek work somewhere that is either difficult to reach, or takes a long time to reach. If your employer doesn't value your skillset immensely, they have absolutely no incentive to pay you more for your additional travel time.
YOU can choose to seek work somewhere close to home, or move close to your work. That's YOUR choice, not your employers'.
My "we live in the matrix" moments are always that all the videos asmon watches have hair related product ads
As a delivery ubereats and doordash driver, I couldn't agree more. I drove to so many resturants that were closed or had hardly any ppl working there. I can't blame them a bit for it. With rent increases and cost of good increased, you worked only to not have enough for rent eventually making it so there was no reason to work.
On a side note, businesses think in the short term paying less and lowering customer service increases revenue and it does, but it also kills your growth. Eventually when you sail a thin ship full of treasure, it's gonna sink.
It's kinda dumb naming it antiwork , if your actual goal is reformation and changes in how workers are treated and payed
imagine a DR doing brain surgery trippin balls on psychedelics and have a serious face and say all drug tests should be illegal
I agree with you that testing shouldn't be illegal, but that's from a free market perspective. Your argument is flawed, however, because the surgeon could still do that immediately after passing a drug test.
Separately, and in my humble opinion, you should be much more worried about narcotics than psychedelics.
@@kyrillos6917 i agree and psychedelics usually need a spinal tap which is beyond what a person should go through. the idea was more a dr who couldnt put down a drug long enough to pass a drug test prolly shouldnt be able to be a dr.
@@kyrillos6917 drug tests are usually taken at random times, companies won't tell u when so u can't cheat the system. Why would a doctor do a bit of drug right after the drug test just to risk losing their job on another one that can be in 2 months or a couple weeks
@@duckerino5691 "drug tests are usually taken at random times" Are they? The company I work for tests all new hires and certainly says that they will randomly drug test but I've never heard of anyone I work with actually receiving a random test. If they DID receive a random test, it would still just be a pee test and could be faked. Don't underestimate how resourceful some stoners are...
"Why would a doctor do a bit of drug right after the drug test" I don't know, because they just passed and think they can get away with it? Why does anyone do anything? Don't get too hung up on the doctor example, OP was just mentioning one hypothetical. My point was simply that regardless of drug testing, employees can still do drugs on the job.
@@kyrillos6917 The issue is not the drugs the issue is the mindset of a professional trying to game a contract they willingly entered into, a contract setup to minimize the number of variables effecting patient outcome. I'm sorry what are you smoking? In my humble opinion explain to the family of the girl you just killed cause you messed up due to playing hide and go tweak with your employer when the both of you said you would put patient outcomes above all
With the part about drugs, I live in the UK and work operating machinary.
Its always company policy (everywhere ive been) to alcohol and drugs test.
Usually this is simply a right that the employers give themselves and the employee agrees in the terms when they sign the contract.
Its worth mentioning though that the vast majority of companies here will only test if there is reason to do so, they use police grade breathalysers and tests to see if you are currently under the influence.
Only very dangerous professions will usually impliment random drugs testing and take urine samples.
36:30 I guess companies can propose partial compensations that are calculated individually, for example fuel cost compensation based on the automatically calculated distance from the employee's house to the workplace, with the condition that he proves he lives there or at least stays there often (to minimize abuse).
Or it can be a long-term public transport ticket.
The commute idea is interesting. It would mean the employers might be more likely to pay enough for people to live closer. So many people can't afford to live closer to work.
People underestimate the power of networking and growing your skillset over your career. Sure people need dog walkers, but your not going to build skills to provide large value to a company that is extremely hard to replace doing that. When your skills are in high demand, but very few people can do your job, the tables turn and you’re able to negotiate a much higher rate of pay. Companies will literally outbid each other to bring you on, because they see you as an investment
Love this guy's editing style already - Ghost Gum has a new subscriber I'm about to binge his whole catalog 😂
I think that fact she's 30 makes it hard to see. Cause when your a kid you don't know why someone would go willingly to do something that stresses them out. But as an adult you should realize that, what you do helps the world turn. But I still believe that the bottom line for wages needs to be more to adjust for inflation
As an adult you just realize you’re powerless so you begrudgingly do what you’re told. Shitty jobs that treat you like shit don’t “make the world turn” because of the poor conditions. Those jobs don’t need to be stressful or treat you like dirt to serve their purpose
"she"...he will never be a real woman lol
@@hitthegoat you are right of course the jobs shouldn't be as stressful and as someone who works at a bottom line job I get that. I just say that it makes the world turn to make doing the job seem bearable.
@@Admin-nz8em says the person with a blank profile lol... Nobody cares she lives in America or whatever she is free to live her life as she pleases
You can’t adjust wages to match inflation. That just creates more inflation.
I would rather not have my doctor be hungover because "what he does in his own time is not my business".
if he does drugs and there is no effect of it left when he does his job I dont care.
Also, working with someone who is high af is incredibly annoying.
Once had a gung over dental hygienist fuck up a $1,000 crown
@@69SalterStreet ouch!
Problem is people like these. You gave them a hand they'll want your entire arm. Preparing for a big interview would require actual work
I think if anything, you could strictly compensate for gas like some jobs. It is not meant to be an exact calculation but a fair estimate of gas consumed for the registered commute. Basically a gas allowance that just shows that while it is required for you to get to your job, it is not in fact your job you are bring given a wage to do, therefore the compensation is strictly for the expenditure to get there, not the value you provided for them during your commute.
From my experience, the ones who are hooked on something are the ones who tend to be the most productive/least lazy since they need fund their habbits.
Asmon: "You have to expect that everything is rigged"
Chat: "monkaLaugh don't mention the thing, don't mention the thing"
what thing
@@slick3996 No idea, but I doubt anyone here would tell us...
The election was rigged and being rigged again
I respect your points of view Asmond. There are many views of yours I used to believe in and now I have moved away from. Would love to discuss. Mad respect for you and your channel ✌️✌️
Just an idea for being compensated for commute time: Employer pays a flat rate every day you come to work. They determine the flat rate by looking at google maps & seeing the shortest route possible for said employee to get from home to work & determine how long it should take. The employer pays for that exact amount of time, regardless of traffic, or if the employee decided to take a different way to work/make a pit stop. Since it is a flat rate that is pre-determined (fairly) it would be nearly impossible to take advantage of that system. Let me know if I am wrong or I missed something.
Edit: Employers would stop hiring people who live farther away. That one is on the employer for gaming the system not the employee. Fucking hell.
My employer just hired a transportation company to bus employees from outside of town. Since we are a very small town most of them don’t live here. And with the gas prices the way they are going, it’s a win win.
Why paying commute work is a bad idea:
You are living in a poor area, the roads are badly maintained and public transports are a joke
VS
The guy living next to the subway station.
It will take you 60 minutes to go from home to work. But it's a well paid job, you want it bad, spending a lot of time commuting is a sacrifice you're willing to make and maybe, when you've saved a bit, you'll be able to move closer.
But the guy living next to the station commutes in 15 minutes. By employing him, the company saves one and a half hour of paid work a day compared to you. He is, effectively, about 10-20% cheaper than you to employ, so he'll get the job and you won't.
Paying commute time is just going to segregate people by their living area.
@@diersteinjulien6773 ? This would literally be a good thing actually lmao. I commute to another city over for my job, because my boss refuses to hire locals. The locals are poor as fuck and the businesses are all dying and understaffed out there, but still refusing to hire locals lmao. There's lots of facets to these situations. And in the first place, it's already sheer luck to get hired for a job you're qualified for because it relies on them not ignoring your application in the first place.
Plus, it benefits the growth of your neighborhood. The businesses in your area get paid by people passing through, and you get that money as their employee, which you then also spend in your area. This should, ideally if capitalism works out in this scenario, help improve your area overall.
Meanwhile, I work at the next city over. When I get paid, I'm taking hours away from their citizens, and when I buy a sandwich over there, I'm taking their citizens calories away, and then spending the bulk of my money elsewhere. In a way it's like that city is losing money. Insignificant if you only consider me, but significant if you consider multiple businesses.
In terms of being paid for travel there are companies that already do this but it's not like you're being paid on the clock. Your paid per diem for the distance traveled. This typically takes into account the cost of gas and vehicle maintenance over time.
We just need a society with a healthier look at work, how people can truly explore and use their strengths and feel worthwhile. People who enjoy working do it when they feel needed and fulfilled. Our society doesn't do that well.
someone needs to pick up the garbage though.
@@mrarchidamus9239 if you reread the comment, you will find that your statement is not a counterargument to anything
I mean, sure, but it's not the 90%+ of regular people's fault that employers are shit.
we need a society that punishes the lazy and rewards the earners, not the other way around
Working sucks, and no one enjoys it.
there is nothing wrong with people not wanting to work a bad job where you get little pay and are exhausted at the end of the day.
nothing wrong with working towards something that enables you to not have to rely on having such a job.
also going 8h a day 5 days a week to work somewhere can be in itself a thing thats maybe not the most healthy thing for some people. so again, nothing wrong with those people finding other ways of working that just does not feel like work for them and still earns them money.
its called: make your passion or actual interest your work.
The downside of being a dog walker is having to clean up after 10+ dogs, 1 is bad enough lol.
When it comes to drug testing I think it should be there for safety critical jobs like with any type of driving or signalling involving that etc, but if it's an office job that doesn't require you to oversee things that can involve safety critical elements then that shouldn't be.
So sad he missed the perfect counter. "I walk dogs for people who can't for one reason or another, perhaps because they spend too much time at work?" ---> Deathblow
@@urstaxfetish1206 You missed literally the entire point of my post, but good job trying to sound smart.
Thats your deathblow?
@@mrlost117 Say it during the interview at that time and I'd bet that yes, it would be. That's the entire point. It's easy to pick apart something like that when you can sit down and spend as much time as you want thinking of a way to respond to it. But in the moment? It would have been a big W for the redditor.
@@KingRhiot I agree, in the moment it would hit a bit harder. These malders are coming from the anti work reddit
@@KingRhiot They already made themselves look like a joke by that point. No answer would change how ridiculous they came off.
"In construction, you don't want to take junkies to clients houses."
Oh no no no, he doesn't know. Most tradies are taking some sort of drug on the weekend mate.
Can confirm
That hair loss ad killed me, lol!
How is Fox News acting in bad faith (in this particular instance)? The Redditor mod was apparently picked by the Subreddit to represent them and they wanted to be on television on some major news outlet, which Fox News is one of the largest. It's not like Fox News dragged a random weirdo off the street and announced they were the face of the movement (unlike the Cobert Report, which basically did that to Occupy Wallstreet). Even the host's questions are in keeping with the subject. He didn't randomly ask about the mod's views on some unrelated political topic, or Antifa, or set him up with loaded questions about random trivia to make him look dumb when he couldn't answer. Waters just asked the mod about his current employment, and then the mod made a laughing stock out of himself and his subreddit. Waters smirks at him, but frankly the guy deserved to be laughed off stage.
Fox News was downright fair, arguably more than most shows would've been. Just imagine if the Mod had been on The View instead, and had to contend with those cackling hens pecking him to death with stupid questions like "What is a Reddit? Is that the Dark Web?! What's a mod anyway, are you some sort of hacker!?!"
the issue is the bills finally came in the mail
Lol imagine finding a career you enjoy. I'm a middle school drop out and became a meat cutter and make good money . Just gotta apply yourself and learn. Now I am a chef to boot 😀 love cutting and cooking it gives me pride in my work . Thing is, after you've been unemployed for a while it gets boring as fuck and can't afford shit so how you gonna have fun? I hate not working tbh. Video games aren't even fun if you play them all day every day. These people are unhappy because they stick with shit jobs and don't apply themselves. Learn a fucking skill you like and turn it into a job. College is a waste of money and time. Trade skills pay the most like electrician etc
Or you can give people a minimum wage tied to productivity instead of making them work to to three jobs
As long as we need people working those "shit jobs", we need to make sure that everyone working them earns fair wages and is able to do their work under humane conditions.
@@raetavia8223 Minimum wage was always for teens entering the workforce, not for living wages lol. Quit flipping burgers. Start flipping job applications.
Love the Conker's bad fur day music the video uses in the beginning. Classic game and I own it for the N64. Expensive too but won't ever sell it.
dude the kellogs move is so thug life XD
People do get paid drive time for some jobs. It's based on Google maps estimate of time and mileage to a location. So they could easily calculate that and add it to your pay for everyday to show up to work. You only get to use your home address so it's not like the amount changes unless you prove you moved.
For protection the company can have a max travel compensation amount of 50$ or something. It could work.
Antwork didn’t want to take the interview. That mod went with the interview anyways.
Cope. That's the mod _they chose_ to send.
At the ending, yea here in the Netherlands at least the company can ask the government to pay their employees 19 euro cents per kilometer in travel costs. They calculate the amount of km by using something like google maps, and based on the fastest route. For me it covers all of my gas money to get to work, with a little bit to spare.
That troon literally looks exactly like what I'd expect a reddit mod to look like bruh
I like how you said fox had to find the dumbest person to interview but he is the mod for the group
I believe that any job that is *repetitive* in nature can and eventually will be replaced by automation. It happened to me at one of my former jobs, although I got lucky as I was leaving for school around the time I found out I was going to lose my job to automation anyway.
Automating service class jobs is a good thing, but the problem is that we're STILL expected to find full-time 40 hour jobs with the same shit wages despite vast increases in production due to improving technology and automation.
As an automation engineer I'd like to say sorry and ask; have you considered becoming an automation engineer? It's very simple logic and some small amount of technical ability is required but the money is good. You must be able to drive.
@@Rob6990 Sure but isn't that kinda like when they told miners to "learn to code"? Some might be able to but most? not sure.
That's the main argument for universal income. There's going to come a time when a pretty big chunk of the population is going to lose their jobs, a third industrial revolution if you will, and it isn't going to be pretty if most of your population suddenly can't afford food.
I definitely think we need to start transitioning to shorter work weeks, higher wages, and a consideration for UBI, especially for those with physical and mental disabilities. Placing people's value in their work severely devalues those who can't work, or who can't work within our current structure.
One of my best friends moved to Germany, and the biggest shocks to me were: 35-hour work weeks, high wages, ubiquitous public transportation, and a month of paid vacation. And of course most 1st-world countries offer paid parental leave for several months, I believe (without re-looking it up) some allow up to a year.
To be fair, though, the main cities do have small properties with expensive rent. I don't know if it's better or worse than in the US.
@@bubbles0216 Most people in germany have to work more than 35h/week and in many areas using public transportation to get to work is more expensive than owning and using a car would be. And even with parental leave, many people don't have the time, money or space raise children. People earning an average wage now will likely fall below the poverty line once they retire. The number of full time employed people who are in need of aid from food banks is constantly increasing. Some things might be better than they are in the US, but for a country as rich as germany the current situation is a shame.
34 minute or so mark: commute to work comp should at the least be mileage met if it's 20+ minutes. I worked (emphasis on the past tense) for a retail chain that moved management around like crazy, and as management, they asked me to go to a store 50 minutes away. I obviously said no, they didn't pay enough to comp for $4+ gas for nearly 2 hours a day 5-6 days a week (understaffed like everyone else, management was expected to pick up days) and then when I went to post for a job with my degree within the company, they held that decision against me and left out the part where I asked for even mileage comp for half the trip a day and I'd go no worries.
Needless to say my notice was in the next morning after the meeting about why I wasn't allowed to apply for a new position
Yeah people should check into work when they leave home, but then they should be also required to be on gps for their emploer to know their location as they travel to work
Sucks because that sub has some legitimately good points and good discussions mixed in with the worst people. Much of that sub wasnt about ending work completely it was about reform. I was on there all the time talking to people and I literally never encountered anyone really that was literally against working at all. Everyone there is just against how the workforce currently exists. That Fox News shit was the end of the rope and the sub imploded
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No, it started as a anarchist forum and then people came in and started making it about reform when it got popular
@@DozleZabi you do realise you aren't disproving him right ? The reddit still was majority reform when it was popular which was the only time it had relevance
@@DozleZabi i don't think he was trying to disprove him
Fox was never their downfall: allowing a mod with such allegations be their leader this whole time was. Fox was just the feather that broke the camel's back.
Ghost Gum is an awesome youtuber, highly suggest everyone who's a fan of the Internet Historian style to check him out.
I was in that subreddit when it wasn't that popular but then I made a post about me not wanting to work and just living with my parents. And some people were like WHOA WTF??? YOU'RE NOT WORKING?????? And then I realized the sub started having some factions about just having better working conditions rather than being anti-work and I left the sub.
If the sub is called anti-work and people start judging me for not wanting to work, then the whole purpose is defeated.
“in the grand scheme of things... it’s not that bad.”
T. Shirt please 😂
as someone who has worked retail and currently works in a warehouse I'm heavily on the idea of anti-work for a lot of people they aren't able to reach into career spaces due to lack of access to education or fiances for education and are left in a spot where to earn a wage that is just enough to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads they have to work grueling hours that are not only hard on your body or your mind and in return get minimal pay.
Wait where is the lack of access to education or lack of finances you talk about? You realize pretty much anyone can go to community college and take out student loans, right? Also, I worked retail for many years too and was promoted multiple times. If you're stuck on the bottom floor of a retail job for multiple years you might want to take a look inward instead of blaming society. I guess if you had kids or were forced to be a parent before 18 your statement might work but otherwise you had/have options to further your career.
@@conot4006 you can't take your personal experiences and apply them to everyone else. If everybody on the planet worked extremely hard, never took a day off, there would still be bin men and people working on shop floors. Not everyone can be a CEO, there has to be people working the shittest jobs otherwise everything would crumble overnight. Any job in a functioning capitalist society should provide you with enough income to live your life without multiple aspects crippling you. I'm a lucky one, I've worked hard but there are many people I know who have worked harder than me and got a lot less for it. Anecdotes get us nowhere. There is a very strong correlation between hard work and financial stability but there are no guarantees, you just vastly improve your odds. So much is who you know rather than what you know. The best way to try to guarantee a good job is to be a hardworking socialite, and a bloody affable one at that.
@@conot4006 There are many circumstances that make it a struggle for people to attend college or work, your speaking from personal experience and priverlage. Also taking out a loan isn't that simple I know friends who have multiple jobs just to be able to pay theirs off.
I'm only 21 and have been working since I was eighteen I am currently studying to be a nurse i have had no such offer to move upward and usually that is only awarded to a small percent of people working within a company. Not only do I work my job I also have days where i am at school and days where i volunteer what is mandatory for my course i am exhausted but i have to keep going. But thanks for trying to assume what my struggle is and telling me to look inward i guess?
We are also overlooking other reasons some may struggle with entering the workplace i.e disabilities, health conditions, people who live in remote areas and many more things
The problem with comparing productivity to wages is that a large amount of that increased productivity is achieved through automation. These companies might be earning a lot more money but robots and supercomputers are expensive.
Another thing no one wants to mention is that flooding countries with cheap labour is a good way to keep wages down.
‘In the grand scheme of things it’s not that bad’.
The sad, dark truth.
Theres always a few people who cant think for themselves and has to ruin most things for people who can.
with that final note on companies having to pay for the commute, if something like that was legislated as fair work law, you would probably see companies hiring only local employees, or stipulating that the employee has to live in the convenient condo complex they own next door, which the company will oversee as a cooperate HOA... are we in a dystopia yet?
Where I live, commute is tax deductible depending on distance traveled from work to home, that way companies are not paying while you still get some compensation, pretty simple
@@Martin1jg sadly, that is not the case here in Australia, also,
even if it were, its kinda shitty compensation as apposed to a stipend paid by the company employing you to offset the cost of gas NOW, rather then some deduction where you might bet a little more back on your tax return, some time next year.
@@failtrolls8386 You pay less of your salary in taxes, so you already see the effect immediately, also, if the company has to pay they will just hire local instead of paying the extra fee unless you have a job/skill in high demand but then money and gas wouldn't be a problem in the first place
To someone who has worked as an administrator at a mechanist shop, shopkeeper at a cinema, burgergflipper at a mcdonald, i can say working is a dreadful experience, not the fact you are making effort, but doing effort that are not worth anything for you, nor effort worth anything helpful as a skill
The problem is, people from other parts of the world use those jobs as funding to do something else. They don't work and then go home and Netflix & chill, they go home and do their Accounting or Project Manager studies.
@@PeaceDweller in other parts of the world these people don't have to take life-long loans to pay for education
@@Elise-3939 westerners unaware about the majority of the world who would of thought
In my company, whenever I am scheduled at a store other than my home store, I get compensated for how many miles I traveled, not the time. So, it's a safer way for a company to pay for the commute.
Asmons face he made when the Keeps ad came on is the same face everyone in antiwork made when dude went on Fox news.