Leonard Forgives His Mother | The Big Bang Theory
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- Season 12 Episode 22: The Maternal Conclusion
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Johnny’s acting in this scene is so good…the way his voice breaks around 1:12 really makes you feel for him
I definitely agree, but I also appreciated how hesitantly and awkwardly Christine approached and touched Johnny. She clearly showed that Beverly had never let herself be vulnerable with anyone before, or shown genuine affection.
0:02 The way Penny got up 😂😂😂😂
When I saw that scene the first time, I couldn’t stop crying the moment she hugged him and he hugged her back 😢😢😢😢.
It doesn’t justify any of her actions and behavior towards her son and family, but Beverly is essentially a further set in her ways version of Sheldon or what Sheldon could’ve become if he hadn’t met and then started having more people that he would eventually call his friends and family come into his life.
And this is just my speculation here, but since she’s a worse version of Sheldon, then I don’t think it’s too far a stretch to think that she truly isn’t aware of the impact of her actions outside of the ones that she intentionally does to cause harm or discomfort or disrespect…
She’s emotionally and socially… Immature? Compromised? Ignorant?
Basically, she doesn’t see or understand why others react - in this case Leonard - the way they do to her actions when they aren’t done with a negative intention.
It reminds me a little bit of when Sheldon ended up offending Dr. Emily and apologized to her on the party bus to Vegas.
Again, it doesn’t justify the things that she’s done because she has purposely done shitty things without caring or taking into consideration the long term affects, thoughts and feelings of others - Leonard’s many tales of all the “heartwarming memories” from his childhood growing up in the Hofstadter home in Jersey is plenty of evidence along with her visits to Pasadena…
It would be too easy to just call her an evil person or just a bitch, but I think more than anything she’s just a deeply flawed individual who wants to “connect” but doesn’t know how.
It certainly would explain her reaction to all of this and why it felt good for her son to forgive her… And why she almost timidly hugged him.
Leonard is a great guy man.
He gets a lot of shit on and off the show, but in the end Leonard Hofstadter is a good guy. He fucks up just like the rest of us, tries to fix things when he fucks up, and is just trying to figure it all out to the best of his ability.
Dude’s human 🤷🏻♀️
@@withjust-a-bite1396Unlike Sheldon. I don’t care what anyone says; I hated how Sheldon was in the last four seasons. The show was also better without Amy, and her genocide supporting actress.
@@BenE8844who's the gncd supporting actress?
@@mapuggs AMY’S genocide supporting actress.
@@BenE8844what do you mean?
Beverly failed as a mother, wife, and/or as a human being. If Leonard is a drama queen, blame her.
It's crazy that she plays a completely opposite character in every other role
She didn't fail. She did the best she could give who she is. Leonard finally understood that he needs to accept her for who she is, rather than expect her to be something she's not. Most people never reach that realization and their relationship with their parents remains stuck. Those that accept their parents as humans full of flaws are rewarded with a mature relationship that can finally grow.
That’s dramatic 😂
@@OneEyedJack01She failed as a mother to Leonard because irrespective of how peculiar she was, she showed that she could do better . Look at how she is with Sheldon and even penny. Leonard has also talked about how she favoured her other kids over him.
She just never cared for Leonard because she considered him to be mediocre.
So, yea she did in fact fail horribly, she could have done more but she didn't care enough to do so.
@@theelatebloomer Demanding that parents be perfect is a standard nobody can live up to. Leonard obtained a PhD in physics, landed a job at a good university, has a great group of friends, and got the girl. All said, he turned out OK. Mission accomplished.
Good that they didn’t add Sheldon and add some unnecessary pun
In all honesty, i bet the actors actually did legitimately get emotional in this sequence. I mean how could you not
I can't help but think there was a moment before this, possibly *years* ago, when she had a moment of clarity for how her actions affected Leonard but simultaneously realised that no matter what she did *now* it wouldn't erase the past, so she just accepted that their relationship was irrevocably broken and it was on her and she didn't have the emotional capacity to fix/make up for it. She never thought she could be forgiven so him *actually* forgiving her was both unexpected and a relief that she probably never expected to happen anywhere but her deathbed.
Or maybe I'm giving her too much credit, who knows.
Maybe. It makes sense when she says thank you to him for forgiving her
You’re correct in everything but I think 💭 that in this moment gave her the answer that she was always looking for. The years of research 🧐 of trying understand emotions and human psychology to help understand really herself. She had a deep resentment of really herself despite all her accomplishments. She didn’t understand love ❤️ because you can’t understand it really if you don’t how to love ❤️ yourself. Leonard in this moment finally gave her that answer
The laugh track at "Doesnt matter, I forgive you anyways", was definitely worst timing.
that was the studio audience bc of how it hushed up.
That is one of the many things I like this show for: In between all the jokes and fun, there are such moments that actually are intense acting, and they are so strong as the actors playing are really brilliant at their jobs.
I can not believe they put a laugh track in this scene
Live studio audience, they even took a photo once.
@@marieroberts5664there's literally video footage showing the audience but idiots will insist they don't exist and that it's all a laugh track
2:06 Awww.
This proves that comedy can intertwine with real sentimental scenes… absolutely breathtaking and tear jerking
And every great comedy has drama in them that they don't hand wave away with a joke. That's why the MCU will never be funny.
So well-acted, very moving scene.
I always identified with Leonard a tiny bit in his difficult relationship with his mother. My dear mom was not really very much like Beverly, but she *was* blunt and abrupt and impatient. With 5 kids, me being the youngest, I get that… but my tender sensitivity was always a little shattered by it. She loved us fiercely but wasn’t demonstrative with it. I did totally forgive her for any unintended hurts (and they were ALL unintended - she did everything that she did out of the best, selfless reasons, truly). I never told her that because I think that would’ve hurt her greatly to know I was hurt by anything she did or didn’t do.
I really felt it for Leonard the whole series. His mother was well intended. But basically destroyed his self esteem. I have had a similar relationship with my hyper religious mother. Is not easy or fun at all
The way it was handled, was SHIT. It would’ve made more sense to have him say, “I can forgive you, and I will, but I don’t EVER want to hear from you again.”
Also Penny was a fool and an idiot for wanting to get close to her. I hate how they ruined both Leonard, Penny, AND their relationship to generate cheap laughter.
I never was a big fan of the last few seasons, but moments like these were really good
Nope; last minute moments that are GARBAGE. Penny should NEVER have tried to get close to her. I hate that they ruined Penny’s character.
Which episode is this
She got off way too easy
yeah but she has no conscience, She is a machine. No amount of punishment would've changed her. I suspect her hugging was just a simulation of empathy. I would put sheldon in same category as well
Which can be said about way too many parents, making this as realistic as it gets.
@@sanketvaria9734 sheldon has way more empathy than her. I will say, her saying thank you to him for forgiving her, makes it seem like she knows what she has done. But yeah, I wish he told her off
Keeping scoreboards and thinking it is necessary to "even the score" will never build a healthy relationship. You forgive, accept, and move on, or you end the relationship. Trying to balance the scale only leads to lifetime of petty resentment. In the end, you have to ask, what is more important, a petty need for retribution or mending a relationship?
@@OneEyedJack01 It is definitely not petty in a lot of cases. It is fully justified in many of them, so do not act like you understand what it is like and like it is not the right path just because moving on sounds better.
Leonard's mother is like Sheldon. She can't understand what she did wrong...
Hence why she went into psychology because she wanted to understand why she is who she is. She doesn’t understand emotions because she doesn’t have the ability to really have them
I’ve seen this episode a million times and I’m just now realizing Beverly was actually crying. That type of realization that you never know you needed something till you got it is amazing. She never knew how much she wanted to hear her son forgive her for not being the best parent until he actually said it and it sunk in. Top tier acting.
Well, dammit. I’ve been watching light-hearted funny stuff this evening and now I’m wiping tears… I guess we all need to forgive our parents (or *someone* ) for their unintended hurtfulness, don’t we.
Emmy worthy performance
Solid scene...
too bad they didnt have Leonard disown her
Me too... Christine is a great actress but her character is just downright cruel
They were showing Leonard as the bigger person.
@danielcamacho1913 Bigger Person or doormat? We've seen these moments before where they seem to have progress in their relationship only for Beverly to go right back to disregarding Leonards feelings/accomplishments.
She behaves this way because 1) she doesn't really care how people feel and 2) she's always allowed to get away with it. Leonard had a chance to giver her real consequences that she deserved but he just gave up at the last second because he knew it would only serve to hurt himself.
The characters in this series are not realistic human beings but rather completely artificial constructs, so it’s really awkward and out of place when the writers decide for a moment to make out of them real feeling humans. It just doesn’t work
So glad they didn't go for the laugh, there at the end.
Still think that she is more suitable for being Sheldon's mother
Naw Sheldon got the mom he should have got. Leonard deserved a lot better parents tho.
@@chelsieabrahms3866 i think they should exchange moms 😅
@@Alexander_Lyumen Didn’t Sheldon think that, too? 😂
@@danielcamacho1913 maybe, maybe not 🤔 I can't be sure, because he loves his mom
I think that was the point of their characters
Sometimes it's difficult to forgive one's parent or parents because we are full of resentment 😭💔
This was too quick. This should've have been a multi episode arc that built up to this point. Leonard's mother shouldn't have been reacting , she should've been ambiguously evolving until she reached this tipping point. Seems like producers have a habit of tying up loose ends because tge series was winding down and it felt rushed.
The build-up was every other season.
Leonard didnt want anything drawn out after this. he needed to let go, so he did.
Imagine your entire life is an experiment to your mother! And you are nothing but a variable in her experiment, no more, no less! I don’t think I have the courage to forgive someone like that! Ever
"I forgive you. Now get out of my apartment and my life."
that's right.
What I can see in this scene is that Leonard did the "forgiving" more for himself than for his mother. Sometimes it's better to just let go of something than to stubbornly cling hard on to it despite not getting what you want. Do note that part of why Leonard has issues in himself is that he is trying very hard to gain Beverly's approval even when it doesn't seem that she will give it to him. The relief Leonard felt when he chose to "forgive" her than to call her out for everything that made her a failure of a mother is proof of that.
Leonard realized that from that point on, he doesn't need to gain his mother's approval in order to complete himself. That there is emotional maturity. Some people may not like how he addressed the Beverly issue, but it is a valid way to do so nevertheless.
It´s good that they showed how the most smart people are socially often very difficoult. I have met many people that were like this.
Needy baby greedy baby
Did you realise how they didn’t play the theme music at the end of the video? Out of respect for Leonard and his family.
I so wanted her to get her comeuppance
2nd: Re George in Young Sheldon - Hey TBBT channel why don't you upload AN EDITED version of the scene with Penny & Sheldon eliminating or rewriting the scene that was RETCONNED.
hahahaha lol it's totally a retcon this is exactly the solution i had in mind except i couldn't think of how it was a retcon. COME ON how is this not a retcon?
the writers should've owned up and said 'pretend the scene with penny never happened and now we're doing a new thing'
Sheldon even had that catholic confession thing w/ Tam over something not as big as adultery. And you think Sheldon would keep quiet over adultery??!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA the writers should rewrite that scene with sheldon & penny.
What they could've done is say 'hey we changed our minds. Actually it makes more sense Sheldon's dad isn't a neglectful drunk. Sheldon's dad's support is a big part of why Sheldon is so successful. We'll rewrite TBBT scenes later. Bear with us please.'
Better than a RETCON.
What if this was yet another research for her lol?
Dualistic Adversary Theory
It's good to forgive. But that woman was absolutely toxic to Leonard for his entire life, and she never changed. After he left home, he should have never let her back into his life. She's an accomplished author in child psychology and knew exactly what Leonard needed in terms of emotional wellbeing. But she didn't give him that because she "simply had no interest" in putting in that effort. And she never had any remorse for it either. It would have been much healthier for him to forgive her while also distancing himself from her until she did show true remorse for her actions (or lack thereof).
Well, the final of the show was left pretty open ended so that could possibly be what ended up becoming of their relationship… Either this ended up giving them an opportunity to at least have a more civil relationship with her being more careful/thoughtful, which I don’t think Leonard would be entirely against now that he has his peace… or… She doesn’t change and he is civil, but now he’s finally doing something that he’s been needing to do for a very long time - setting boundaries and maintaining those boundaries.
When you're a mother, you'll understand
She knew but she does not have the capacity to actually IMPLEMENT it herself. Don't you get it? Beverly has a lot of disorders. Anti-Social probably. A lot of other psychological problems (ironically).
I can understand a bit since I hate socializing too. I KNOW HOW, but I do not have the capacity to do it. I rarely pick up on social cues and I only see my own well being. Even if I hurt others. When your belief contradicts what is drilled into you, it becomes a war within you. And most of the time, you choose to ignore what is taught.
Truth is, Beverly should have been reported to the DCFS the moment they discovered that she used Leonard for her "experiments". She was unfit to be his mother. She was the culprit in ruining Leonard's life yes but she is a victim too. Sheldon would have become like her if he did not have Mary. Or worse. Beverly was not so lucky in having her parents.
Trust me, this is realistic. You're never going to have that big fight moment when you tell everything you don't like about you're family, and they'll apologize to you. And if you do, it won't go as planned.
Everyone will always have flaws, more or less toxic, and you can't change that, no matter how munch rage you put in you're facedown with them. But someone can try to live with they're flaws.
So either you hate them forever, or you learn to live at peace with them and their flaws, with the hope that they'll to. Trust me, I've been through it, it may not sound like the big justice moment everyone wants, but it is the best thing for everyone.
@DaviRed_ That was really well said
I’ve always been under the impression that the authors wanted us to believe that Beverly loved her son, despite her countless Flaws as a mother. And there was some kind of development in that regard, like when she was so happy to see him getting married and approved Penny because she could see how the girl Made him happy. But they should have handled the ending better, it was way too rushed and that woman took a huge step back with that experiment shit. What a shame.
In the end I still like this though: he did it for himself, not for her. And it was the right thing, he deserved it. She didn’t.
(Possibly bad english, I apologize.)
At some point you have to let go of the past and move on. You have to forgive people and forgive yourself. Moving forward you know who you can trust and who you need to keep at a distance.
I hope after this Leonard and mom fixed there relationship
Leonard’s mother is sitting in Sheldon’s spot
Wrong end.
Leonard is such the girl in his relationship
I don't get the commentors who think this is a good outcome for Leonard and Beverly. She has spent his entire life actively ignoring or discouraging his accomplishments and has even mocked him for wanting his mother's affection/approval.
Yes, Leonard needs to accept that she will not change. That doesn't mean he needs to continue to be a doormat to someone who makes it a point to be a negative aspect of his life. And if he has kids? You can guarantee Beverly will crap all over them the way she did him whatever chance she got.
This resolution was so rushed and just another time Leonard is rolling over for his mom treating him badly.
His mom is so cold
Probably a coping mechanism honestly
@@Sheenifier not coping mechanism, She is a Machine
@@sanketvaria9734 that hugged. And cried.
Who cares? She has sexy pantyhosed legs!
_Is_ she a bad mother? Look how bloody brilliantly Leonard turned out.
@@luke._6910 - grow a pair Smurfette 👍
Yeah she is a bad mother jackass. The same mother could make a child psychotic equally likely . Look at Sheldon's mother , she was sweet and now he won a noble prize and has a hot wife .
One of the few Christian moments on the show.
Hey they forgot to put laugh tracks in this scene
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Guess,some people should not have childrens.
No, most people should not have children because they are not willing or able to make the sacrifices necessary to raise children successfully. ❤
Son of Hamas epilogue: Mosab Yousef forgives father. 'I love you. You will always be my father.'
I honestly wish Leonard hadn't forgiven his mother. Beverly didn't deserve it. Forgiving isn't always easy nor mandatory
Empathy is valuable.
Hate is emotional rust that kills from the inside out.
forgiven is about...let it go. For your own mental health
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 If somebody did something really awful to me like killing somebody from my family I'd never forgive the person. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to forgive a person for killing their loved ones
@@user-dh6bj2me5p I honestly hate Woody Allen for things he apparently did to his adoptive daughter but I don't go around thinking about him the whole day. I honestly hope I never meet him in person. I usually don't believe abuse allegations against celebrities but his adoptive daughter was 7 years old when she apparently was abused and I honestly don't think a 7 year old would lie about that to ruin a person's life
@@matiaspereira9382 Way to go to an extreme just to support your point lol.
Leonard finally grew up...
I didn’t know robots could give birth to human children
Why the HELL should he forgive her? she didn't make the slightest effort to apologize and doesn't even seem to understand what she did was wrong. god Leonard is such a pushover and makes questionable life choices all the time when it really matters. He should have NEVER married Penny just because he had a crush on her, someone who clearly was not interested in him and took pity in him and laughs at his interest all the time and belittles him daily, borderline delusional about her acting career, never communicated enough to discuss having a kid BEFORE getting married, never took accountability so she was MARRIED without her knowing it (or just denying the responsibility of her dumb choices), and constantly jealous of her past boyfriend's girlfriends and never truly happy with Leonard and use the word "settle" all the time. And his mother? used him as a lab rat entirety of his life and played favorites among his siblings and neglected Leonard despite him very academically successful. His ENTIRE life reeks of giving in and compromising when he really needed to fight for himself. He should have dated Alex, and confronted his mother. Confront it and don't let them push you aside when it REALLY matters
Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you.
This pissed me off simply because her response to that (to me at least) is proof that she knew exactly what she was doing to Leonard and didn’t care. She is a deeply abusive and manipulative person and Leonard should have gone no contact with her a long time ago. People like Beverly don’t change and the only way for Leonard to heal from the damage she caused him is to cut all ties and seek therapy.
HI
Badly handled. Chuck Lorre is an idiot that always mixes these themes up and ends up with a GARBAGE result. The reason the last four seasons were ASS, is because they had TAAHM humor in them.
Chuck Lorre seems to have strong starts with shows but fails to end them on a high note whether it’s the beef with Charlie Sheen or dragging TBBT for too long as I feel it should’ve stopped around S6 or 8
It’s realistic though. A lot of people keep there abuser around
Yeah, amy always returned to sheldon.
@@Mack_au I never liked Amy’s character. Her actress supports genocide.
@@xoler2167 You are absolutely right. He is an idiot.
Even though I hate Beverly I admit I love her legs
They're very sexy.
@@r0bw00d agreed. Christine Baranski is the 25th actress with the best legs ever in my opinion
@@matiaspereira9382 Why hate though, she didn't do anything wrong.
@@neocell710 she literally treats Leonard like trash and an experiment
@@matiaspereira9382 Not really, no.
And besides, Leonard should het over his mommy issues, looks weak.
Bev got off way too easily. She should have been called out on her atrocious behaviour and paid him a ton of money for putting him in her book.
In the end, he should have disowned her and kicked her to the kerb.
Personal note: It's not the first the writers and lorre have raised some fuced up shiz disguised as humour. In later series, human experimation, pedo, and misogyny are all used as a source of humour.
Sick stuff.
As much as I love this show, the way all the women are portrayed leaves a lot to be desired.
Beverly is portrayed as this uncaring robot because she dared to be a careless person, the same could be said for Bernie as well which isn't a bad thing at all yet the show makes it seem like it is when it isn't and this, along with the other problems with the show leaves the show with a tainted look despite the success this show has had.
On the topic of this scene alone, it's cool that Leonard got over his mommy issues( I'm personally against parental issues in media because it's usually handled in a rather unconvincing manner ) however his mommy issues *CAME* *FROM* *HIM*, *NOT* *BEVERLY* (per se) and yet the show makes it seem like Beverly was bad for merely being careless which is completely unfair to the character of Beverly but like I mentioned before, none of the women on the show are portrayed fairly here.
Beverly wasn't a ''bad mother'' at all, she was just someone that clearly valued her work and others' accomplishments more than personal feelings and there's nothing bad about that at all.
My problem here is the show's kind-of-but-not-really insinuation that a woman like Beverly is evil for valuing accomplishments over personal feelings as though it's bad to value accomplishments in the first place when that's not true at all. Beverly simply needed to recognize that Leonard needed recognition from her *AND* Leonard needed to realise that he should live with his own life and not seek validation.
I apologise for for this long comment but I *JUST* can't overlook the minor problems of the show as they're so apparent that I can't help but think that the show's success was born out of a fluke but it obviously wasn't, the show's storylines and plotlines are consistent but it definitely could've been better in some areas.
Forgiveness is weakness.
But it's better than being a jerk.
no, its liberation for yourself, not for the other person
How Forgiveness is weakness? Or you are just another jerk who call themselves alpha
Ok edgelord lol.
@TankPunisher-kr2yz Forgiveness requires a person to rise above their hurt and resentment to let go of negative feelings towards someone who has wronged them. This act can be empowering because it allows individuals to move forward without being burdened by past grievances. Generally, the ability to forgive is more commonly associated with emotional resilience and maturity.