DOES THE BIBLE SUPPORT POLYGAMY?
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- In this video, I explain in details what the bible actually teaches about polygamy
What was God's idea at the beginning?
Why does it seem to be sometimes tolerated in the bible?
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Adam would have seen Eve, Eva, and Evelyn 😅
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@@JoshuaNseJohn I will be there at work and I have a wonderful night and I will be there at work and I have been trying for a program that will be fine I will be there at me and I was wondering if you had any other questions feel free you sir for you
Guy this one sweet me oo lol
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King Solomon's case is a good counter for that.
Disagreed. The question was about divorce, so Jesus said what God has joined together, let no man put asunder. The same Jesus gave a parable about the groom with 10 virgins.
I love the way she looks at him...
That's love 💕💕
I was gonna say the same 😃😃😃
Of course she will look at him that way, because she doesn't want to share a man and this pastor is deceiving men from their right to have more than one woman - which completely biblical sound.
@@Polygyny If men have the right to have more than one wife, so does a woman. God doesn't do double standards. No matter how much you try and deviate from it, polygamy doesn't work for women. Let's say you have 3 women, and one of them creeps out on you with another dude and she brings back a disease. Then what? Now you got 3 other people infected, and the other wives wouldn't have deserved that. You can do what you want, just be assured that it doesn't mean Jehovah God approves and won't have you answer for it.
@RandaWise God does do double standards - a woman gets pregnant a man can't, men are called strong, women are called the weaker vessel, women are to wear head coverings in the assembly men don't wear head covering. God sent a male Saviour, a woman was not sent. A man is the image of God, a woman is not the image of God but sharing aspects of the image because she came from a man. God is called Father, not Mother. There are double standards all over the bible and all over reality. Double standards created by God is righteous and good. Double standards are not inherently bad or oppressive - only when abused
Your feelings and opinions don't change the fact that God, The God and Father of Christ and the Lord of Host BLESSES polygyny but CONDEMNS polyandry
Men and women are NOT equal and never will be. God did not give men and women the same rights - why do you think God placed men/husbands as the head of women/wives. Trying to be equal with men is rebellion and witchcraft against God so tread carefully
Keep things simple and don't complicated thing with Western feminism. Feminism and the bible are not compatible. It was God who create inequalities between men and women so men and woman are interdependent not independent as feminism foolishly teaches and has clearly led women like you astray. Get back on the right path and understand you position as a woman and accept the position of a man as God has structured not as your feelings have structured
Take up your arguments with God, not with me 👍
@@RandaWise
Now I'm very sure you don't read the Bible. No, women aren't allowed to have multiple husbands in the Bible. Unlike men having multiple wives, the Bible *very* clearly states against it.
I’m trying to find my husband a second wife but a true Christian Woman is hard to find .
Bless you sister.
I know a good one who needs a man.
@@PhillyStackz can you have her message me
You want to find your husband a second wife????
Please explain even if it's long. Love to hear why
It’s wild to become mature in the word and witness pastors contradicting Gods explicit word in favor of man’s traditions. The Bible clearly permits polygyny. It requires ALOT of mental gymnastics to prohibit polygyny.
Can then Christians who are in polygamy have a 'threesome', 'foursome', 'tensome' or 'seventeen some'?
It looks weird 😬👀
I am 18 yrs old and even I can see that the pastor’s argument is full of fallacies. At which point did Almighty God condemn polygamy? He regulated it through Moses in exodus, reprimands David for committing adultery, instead of asking for other wives, and God even differentiates between your mother and your father’s wife. Lastly deacons are called to be by God Almighty. Paul makes clear that they have a spiritual gift granted by the holy spirit. Not everyone has that gift and goes through training (and so aren’t deacons), some are seers; prophets; tongue interpreters. My problem is the priests of today speaking in riddles and symbolism to condemn polygamy, meanwhile the God that they serve is totally cool with it…
Distinguishing between your mother and your stepmother is God’s endorsement of polygamy??? Obviously one’s mother is not one’s stepmother! There is nothing about the word stepmother or father’s wife that implies that one’s mother and stepmother are both married to one’s father simultaneously.
@@cbtam4333 Good day. Let's assume that you're right about the father not being married to the wife and stepmother simultaneously. What then is your opinion on the regulation of polygamy and the situation with King David?
@@cbtam4333 Examples:
"If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." Exodus 21:10.
God further regulated inheritance rights in regards to polygyny. Deuteronomy 21:15-17
Deuteronomy 25:5-10 if a man's brother is married and dies without a child, the man is required to marry the widow and raise a child unto his brother. There is no exemption if the man is already married.
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8
In Ezekiel 23 and Jeremiah 3 & 31 God refers to Himself as the husband of BOTH nations of Israel and Judah. Surely if polygyny is an abomination God would never refer to himself as such. We never see God refering to himself as an adulterer.
18??? 😅😅😅 Bro, like as if you went to Bible School, well said little bro. Well said.
3:51 - Jesus said nothing about the "permitting" of polygyny being because of the hardness of hearts like he did on divorce. Don't throw our patriarchs under the bus by labeling them as sinful men like the men Jesus was rebuking with the divorce talk.
Jesus didn't say a word about polygyny. Why? Probably because God has no issue with the practice, like he does divorce. If God wanted to limit a man to one wife, he would have somewhere in the text as he did for women so many times. You're reading INTO the text what you want to be there, rather than teaching the truth. David was considered blameless except for the matter of Uriah. Not "blameless aside from Uriah and his 17+ other wives/concubines."
You can do better than this brother. God Bless.
Amen
It is always problematic when people attempt to redefine marriage. From polygamy to polyandry to open marriage etc; its all senseless. If marriage can take any and every shape or form, then it is meaningless as a concept.
The Romans redefined marriage from Polygyny to compulsory monogamy and then they use philosophical arguments to impose it on the bible.
Exactly 😅 purposely choosing to be in disorder as a man is so illogical
Who redefined it? The Biblical marriage of David's time was clearly different than the marriage normalized by the Modern Pharisee of today. Biblical marriage had always been Polygynous. The Europeans were the ones who redefined Biblical marriage into monogamy, and we are just correcting it.
@@crimsoncourt9354 Uhhhh, excuse me, but even in Deuteronomy 17:17 God says do not take multiple wives. So does Genesis 1:27 is where He instituted monogamy. Jesus later explained this at Matthew 19:4. God may have allowed things to happen, but they were not approved. It's like you taking a break at 9:00 a.m. at work but your official break is at 10 a.m. Just because the supervisor doesn't say anything doesn't mean you were approved. Later, that supervisor could penalize you for it.
@@RandaWise
Isn't it just great when heretics point out Deut 17:17, because they're unknowingly proving themselves to not read the Bible 😂 Here is the passage, since this is probably the first time you read the entirety of it:
*The King*
14 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,”
15 be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite.
16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.”
17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Yes, that "he" in Deut 17:17 is referring to the Israelite king of the new land. This would be very obvious had you read the previous verses properly. Deut 17:14-17 is targeted toward such a specific profession that Jerusalem kings aren't even affected by it. So now, feel free to repent from spreading your falsehood.
Jesus in Matthew 19:4 was not condemning polygamy by referring to God making them male and female but his intensions to make two people live as one. God created only eve because there was no situation warranting two at the moment, just as he did not create Adam and eve at the same time until there was a need for it. God gave David multiple wives and condemned him for taking another man's wife instead of asking him (God) for more.2 Samuel 12:8.
Yes, a Christian man may have two wives in accordance with the divine polygyny marital Laws of God. Study ALL the scriptures to show thyself approved and use scriptures to interpret scriptures. Thank you for great response concerning Jesus speaking in Matthew 19:4.
@@McMinnCountyTennesseeChristian ...as in Christ like man..... being polygamous.....🤦......bro ask the holy Spirit to tame your flesh....
@@McMinnCountyTennessee
Exactly. Moses himself was the one who wrote the five books including the part about becoming one flesh. He himself had at least 2 wives, so using that as argument against polygyny is simply just refusal of truth.
@@Sharon-xg1wb
Then tame your flesh buddy. Paul said that it's better for you to be celibate. So are you celibate?
@@Sharon-xg1wb
You are just too ignorant to comprehend that Biblical marriage is polygynous. Instead of blindly following your pharisee culture, why don't you actually refer to the scriptures as your law.
and then, only four chapters later, in the fifth chapter of Genesis, we're told that Lamech had two wives.
And God did not condemn him
AleluYAH!
And lamech was a son of Cain. Not the lineage of Seth. Cain ancestors are known for going away from God. This was NOT a godly man and he says so in his speech of pride to his two wives.
@@Susan-fg3nv ok, point taken, but the Twelve Tribe come from Jacob's four wives, Jesus comes down from Bathsheba, who was not David's first wife. God Himself likens His relationship with wayward Israel and Judah to a husband married to wayward sisters.
@@mikechristian-vn1le because that is exactly what they were. They were one till idolatry divided them. Kings going against God. Even the saved are referred to as the BRIDE of Christ. One thing to also note....if man were doing right by woman God would not have had to put aa clause IF you take a wife the first cannot have food, shelter, sex diminished. That clause was because of man choosing to go a route. The clause was there to protect the woman. And the other note is a man leaves father and mother and cleaves to wife. There are no rules how to take a second wife. God intended one man and one woman (wife of your youth) there are rules about divorce because men do it. But not intended by God. See my point?
Pastey! What a powerful, insightful and well explained answer! My favourite Bible teacher par excellence! Thank you sir!
Seriously! They repeated the same lies that have been peddled for centuries! I give them a thumbs down.
I am convinced that having many wives is not a sin therefore, I will definitely get a 2nd wife
Facts
Nothing wrong with that
same here brother.
The majority of you men can barely satisfy one woman financially, mentally, emotionally and physically. Tell me, how can you be fully devoted to The Most High, take care of yourself wholly and provide for multiple women ? A lot of things that were recorded in the Bible were not necessarily correct.
@@pureheart_777 the fact that you comment this, you don't believe in your ability. If someone believe he can do it, he can can do it.
Only Bishops and Deacons can't marry many wives. The rest of us can,period
Even that is a misinterpretation based on tradition. The word used in the original is MIA which can mean one, a, or first. To be married to your FIRST wife fits the intent of the passage, as well as the rest of scripture.
😅😅😅😅 period
“If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. But he shall acknowledge the son of the unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
God regulates multiple wives. Not a sin, also not every man is called to it.
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Yes. The Bible speaks for itself.
2:50 - "someone who is a church leader should excel in all these ways..." Exactly. Which is why Paul telling men that were already only married to 1 woman at the time (Roman law) to be a "husband of one wife" makes ZERO sense. It also doesn't make any sense today. Being married is hardly something that makes you above reproach as a church leader. Being married and NOT promiscuous (a one woman man, aka no sex outside of marriage) definitely makes you above reproach. These verses don't mean what we think they mean.
Husband of one wife is really husband of his first wife which is backed up with other scriptures which say you cannot “ divorce your first wife to take another and be a priest
Yes Jesus quoted Moses in Matthew 19 about divorce and not polygamy. In fact, Moses had at least 2 wives himself when he wrote Genesis. The problem is prescriptive monogamy is a Greco-Roman Catholic Church doctrine that’s contradicts Scripture.
1 Timothy 3:2 is mistranslated in our English translations where the word ‘one’ is best transliterated ‘a,’ ‘first’ or ‘faithful.’ This is why even modern day translations like NET, NLT, NIV, CEV versions all recognize this that the word ‘one’ is not the most appropriate transliteration of ‘mias’ in this verse. For instance, the NIV translates it as,
“2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach…”
From the beginning God addressed divorce. Polygyny falls directly within the marital structure he explained Adam and Eve. His answer is precisely incorrect. You are in error. Biblically on all accounts of scripture, a man may add a wife.
A man with multiple wives is not a sin 💯
God’s word is the final authority!!!!! Thank you for reiterating this in all of your teachings
What Jesus Christ said has nothing to do with monogamy or polygamy
Terrible answer for real.. these are the days of the false prophets for profit… Do not be fooled God does not change
Absolutely sir. Now we have the Holyspirit and his fruit in us so the expectations are the different. The big question really should be what do want a second wife for?
Oh so Moses, David, Jacob and other didn't have the Holy Spirit?
Give your head a shake please
Moses murdered a man; David murdered a man to hook up with his wife I don't think that was by the holy spirit the bible just tells us what happened.@@Polygyny
its either for sex or money or both not for any good reason.
@@Polygyny they were not regenerated men. They had the Holyspirit upon them and not within them. When you understand what it means to be born again you can come back for this conversation. None of the men in the old testament were saved that's why Jesus came.
@@edinyangaenang4212
By the words of Paul, it is better for a man to be celibate. So don't you dare have a wife, because you are holier if you are celibate. That's basically your argument. Fun fact: You do not dictate the Law, God's words are the Law. You're merely adding your cultural practices and calling them God's Law, the same as what the pharisee did when they scolded Jesus for not cleansing His hands.
Does the Bible support polygamy (polygyny)?
Yes it does.
It's the way PL looks at Pastey for me ☺️❤️
When he started speaking, she turned to him and started listening attentively.
Such Honor.🔥
She does that a lot. The honour, the attention.
If he said what the bible actually teaches about marriage structures she wouldn't be looking at him like that
He said he's a GOOD student of the Bible. Yet, he doesn't speak on the fact that "GOD" himself said that he had two wives. He doesn't speak on the fact that "Jesus" was the product of a polygynist family...
God, two wives??. Please post that verse.
The one I know of the NT story of five virgins waiting for their groom. It's a parable by Jesus I think.
@@gilbertigabe7331 ezekiel 23, Jeremiah 3
They're asking about polygamy and he's answering about divorce. Typical Christian, they like to cherry pick verses that please their feelings.
"Go back to the beginning"
Does that mean we should be walking around naked? Or marry our sisters and cousins?
😅😅😅 ikr. He's pandering to the women.
He forgets the parable of the 5 virgin brides waiting for the groom.
@@gilbertigabe7331 or the fact that almost all the main characters in the Bible had many wives
So beautiful
Thank you Pastey
Learning how to answer questions sir
I completely disagree with this man to say God " tolerated " is like saying God just got tired and simply " gave in" or gave up... Moses had 4 wives and to my knowledge he is the only human to see the back of God ... one man one woman is a European version of Christian marriage
Amen. He did not tolerate. No toleration of sin in the OT, So pastor should stop beating around the Bush. In the OT sin was punished severely, but somehow polygamy was passed on 😅😅😅.
God says I change that not he did not change polygyny is permitted by the most high
A Nigerian pastor who actually knows his bible.
If he knew the Bible he would quote about 50 passages that show the Bible clearly permits polygyny.
@@Peter-tg9zv Exactly
He doesn't actually know the bible
I disagree, not everyone is called to be a bishop…the actually verse says that if you marry multiple wives you are not to take food from the other wife’s mouth. That’s it.
Deuteronomy 17:17 says not to even take on multiple wives. Something allowed is not always approved. And if that scripture about not taking food from one wife...etc, that right there is evidence that men were not being equal to the women they were married to, which tells me this man-made polygamy nonsense is just that: a DISASTER!
@@RandaWise
God didn't "tolerate" Jacob to have 4 wives. Jacob didn't even want 4 wives. He only wanted Rachel. Jacob having 4 wives was part of God's Plan. God didn't only allow it to happen, He wanted it to happen, to fulfill His promise. Without polygyny, Jacob wouldn't have fathered the 12 tribes of Israel and have children as many as "the dust of the earth."
@@RandaWise
Isn't it just great when heretics point out Deut 17:17, because they're unknowingly proving themselves to not read the Bible 😂 Here is the passage, feel free to read the entirety of it:
*The King*
14 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,”
15 be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite.
16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.”
17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Yes, that "he" in Deut 17:17 is referring to the Israelite king of the new land. This would be very obvious had you read the previous verses properly. Deut 17:14-17 is targeted toward such a specific profession that Jerusalem kings aren't even affected by it.
Hes not a credible bishop, read your Bible
If you go back to Genesis, then men shouldn’t be single. They should all marry because that was the purpose of Yah fir man.
Yahoshua was answering the question of divorce but he was not giving a number of wives to marry
Very good point. Thank you
Polygyny is not a sin otherwise king David would not have been blessed with king sauls wives by inheriting them and promised to have been given more if he would have just asked for more. ABBA YAHUAH TZEVAOTH doesn’t reward sin and HE doesn’t change either.
The scriptures say no adulterer shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, and if a man marries a woman that is divorced from her husband, he commits adultery the scriptures doesn't say a man that marry two wifes won't enter heaven there is a lot of women that are divorced and hoping that men will marry them and deprived themselves from entering into the kingdom of heaven if the pastors say to the women return to your husbands and humble yourselves it is like saying to a camel go through the eye of a needle
A woman can’t return to her husband if he is already married to someone else. That would make her an adulterer and so it would be bad pastoral advice. Not to mention illegal.
A "husband of one wife" for a bishop/deacon/elder is a much debated set of verses. Frankly they don't make sense as Paul would have been writing to the Roman/Greek gentiles primarily who would only be allowed by law to have one wife anyway. What makes more sense is that he was saying "first wife" or in my opinion using an idiom of "one woman man" which translates to "not promiscuous" or faithful to your wive(s)/only having sex inside of marriage.
Yes, a Christian man may have two wives in accordance with the divine polygyny marital Laws of God. Study ALL the scriptures to show thyself approved and use scriptures to interpret scriptures. Your response to the "apostle" was well spoken. Thank you.
@@BuiltRight I agree that the idiomatic sense of it makes the most sense to me. Paul using the idiom “one woman man” would have made the Greek/Roman men and women stop and think what did he just say? Yeah they were all used to only legally being able to marry one woman or man, but sex outside the marriage was very normal especially for men. So Paul really would have been suggesting something radically different from their norm in society. While not outlawing men who are covenant keepers with multiple wives from leading the congregation, as that was never a disqualification among the Israelites for leadership, obviously (Moses, David, Solomon… Joash) etc …
No matter where you land on what it really means, I am 100% confident in saying that Paul would never make what was never a matter of reproach prior, a matter of reproach as a Christian, which is a man covering more than one wife. Whether or not it’s an exemption for church leadership, doesn’t make it a bad thing, “new converts” can’t be elders either, but it’s not a matter of reproach to be a new convert. So the fact that people read that into what *could mean* an elder need only have one wife, doesn’t make it so.
Absolute facts
Current bible translations have a monogamy-bias and doesn't always express the correct meanings
Unfortunately people don't do their own research but rely on sweet-sounding pastors, that don't teach the full counsel of God, and they end up deceived
@@mrmonaybest and truest answer…I hate the inadequacies of the English language…adds to the misinterpretation of the Bible.
@@McMinnCountyTennessee
Indeed, Christianity *is* polygynous.
This is a false teaching. God is not against polygamy. The fact that he gave adam one wife doesnt mean God was originally against polygamy. Remember Adam was alone in the Garden and God saw that it wasn't good for him to be alone so he created a help mate for him. To each and his own, just like the parable of the talents to one the master gave 5 to another the master gave 2 and to the other the master gave 1, why didn't he give each servant the same amount of talents because God gives you what you can handle, in that same story see how the one who was given the least amount of talents ended up burying the talent and not being able to turn a profit, so the master was justified in giving him fewer talents because he wasnt capable of handling more even the little that was given him was misused. Just look at how Adam was unable to handle one wife imagine the mayhem that would've been caused if Adam was given multipe wives im sure he would've led a rebellion against God. Jesus referred to Adam and Eve to explain God's distaste for divorce and not polygamy, polygamy was not in the discussion. Another example of God not just being okay with polygamy but actually making it happen was when God himself asked David why he took another man's wife when he had given him many wives, God further said that if all those wives were not enough all David had to do was to ask for more. Why do we allow Men of God to deceive us why don't we seek to learn the bible for ourselves. This war against polygamy is what has allowed for so many pregnancies out of wedlock, this is what has popularized this side chick sugar daddy wave that's taking over the world. Imagine a world where polygamy wasn't frowned upon no man woman would allow herself to be the sidechick she wouldn't be dating and sleeping with someone else's husband in secret and wouldn't be having children with another woman's husband in secret. Most of these young girls would properly seek marriage because society would be okay with it. The devil has deceived man for far too long. I'm not saying that every man should marry multiple women however if a man can afford and has the temperament to take care of multiple women then he shouldn't be prevented from doing that. God is not against marrying multiple women. He never was and he never will, God will never do something he's against.
It's the way PL is crushing on Pastey for me. So obvious___ lol
There are commands for polygamy in the Bible. That shows that the Bible support polygamy.
That shows that God supports women who have been taken in polygny. Because man is sinful
Worse argument ever.
If God only created Adam and Eve, how did humans reproduce, did brothers sleep with sisters? Does that mean that we are all brothers and sisters? If we are going by this logic of God's design, does that mean that incest is not a sin? Genuinely asking to learn.
Alot of assumptions here
Wrong answer
Yahuah said also unto me in the days of Yo'shiyahu the king, Have you seen that which backsliding Yashar'el has done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there has played the harlot. And I said after she had done all these things, Turn you unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Yahudah saw it. And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Yashar'el broke wedlock I had put her away, and given her a cepher of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Yahudah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and broke wedlock with stones and with stocks. And yet for all this her treacherous sister Yahudah has not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, says Yahuah. And Yahuah said unto me, The backsliding Yashar'el has justified herself more than treacherous Yahudah. YIRMEYAHU (JEREMIAH) 3:6-11 את CEPHER
Can you find polygyny as a sin in the Bible
Moses was the one who wrote Genesis and Law.
Jesus did not contradict Moses even once so this speaker is incorrect.
Why would Jesus contradict Moses, when everything Moses said was a commandment from God Himself?
Jesus Christ was talking about the two becoming one flesh meaning having sex being the consummation of marriage he was not talking about quantities.
Respectfully, I’m not connecting with that answer
What he said from the very beginning about What God did from the garden settles so much too...That's an answer in itself. You can take time out to listen again.
To an extent, same here. The fact the nation of Israel was born from jealousy and competition of two wives (Leah and Rachel) with two side chicks.
In my opinion, I agree with Pastor Iren on this one but I’m learning not to box God in a corner.
Box corner in a corner that Polygamy is possible? I don't imagine or think so...Genesis 2:24..."Cleave unto his wife...not wives" just scriptural understanding though.
Also Repeated in Ephesians 5:31 for more emphasis sake in the New Testament.
@@thejoshuaadebayo that is another angle.
It's very obvious that a man can have more than one wife because God said he gave David multiple wives and would have given him more.
2 Samuel 12:8.
God is holy and perfect and so is his law. Moses had multiple wives and he is the one who wrote the 10 commandments and the law, which states
a man can have multiple wives.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
God almighty answered the prayer of a woman in a polygamous marriage, and she became pregnant. God will not answer a sinful prayer?
1 Samuel 1:19-20
God almighty even answers prayers of two women in a polygamous marriage to the same man, and they both give birth to sons.
Again, God will not answer a sinful prayer request!
Genesis 30:15-17
Genesis 30:22-24
"God made them Male and Female". In beginning God made everything perfect including the first man and woman he made them out of the dust. Imagine if there was no sin do you think women will go through pain to birth a baby, God would probably continue creating equal number of men and female and would probably assign each man his own wife. Today they are unequal number of men to women. And Jesus was celibate. So judging from what you said, if monogamy is the only righteous act then any practice outside of it is sinful, including celibacy. Jesus in that context didn't outrightly codemn having more than one wife. He simply refers back to the original perfect mind of God and hence codemns the act of divorce ("what God joins together let no man put asunder"). If circumstances permit men to marry more than one wife and God allows it in the bible then you are not wiser than God.
Exactly ❤️ Alot of people use David and Solomon as an excuse, the fact they did it doesn't make it right. When Jacob's father wanted a wife for him, he was too pick one wife and not two he only ended marrying Leah because he was tricked though later on he eventually had concubines. He's father had one wife and wanted him as well to have one wife
We don't need to use any of our great patriarchs as an "excuse" because we don't need any excuse. God designed marriage, and he allowed men to have multiple wives. There is no sin, there is no wrongdoing unless the man treats them in a manner that is sinful. God blessed Jacob with 4 wives, he opened and closed wombs in order to accomplish the lineage He desired for His people. He blessed the women for giving their handmaids to Jacob. God never commanded monogamy, or polygyny, He values marriage and covering women.
God told David he would have given him more wives if he asked.
@@mrmonay What is God’s attitude toward polygamy? God is the one who brought marriage into the world. He made the first man, Adam (Genesis 1:26). He saw that it was not good for Adam to be alone. He then made a “wife” for Adam. Notice God did not make “wives” for Adam. If He had wanted Adam to have more than one wife, He would have made him more than one. One was enough. God knows best.
Man in his different cultures has brought many ideas about marriage into the world. Some of man’s ideas agree with God’s plan. Some of man’s ideas do NOT agree with God’s plan. This is true with polygamy. Polygamy is a “man-made” idea. It is NOT in agreement with God’s plan for marriage. Anything that does not agree with what God has done or said is sin. God’s plan is one man and woman (wife) for life (Genesis 2).
There are many examples of polygamy in the Bible.
The first person to be a polygamist was Lamech (Genesis 4:19-24). He lived six generations after Adam. He was a murderer. Nothing good is said about him.
Abraham was also a polygamist (Genesis 16:1-5). His wife, Sarai, was unable to have children. She gave her slave, Hagar, to be Abraham’s wife. Hagar had children for Abraham. Sarah then became jealous of Hagar. This marriage was then full of troubles.
Another polygamist was Esau. He was the firstborn of Isaac and Rebekah. Esau married two Hittite women (Genesis 26:33,34). They caused much grief to Isaac and Rebekah. Polygamist marriages affect more than just the man and his wives.
Gideon was a great and brave leader. He had 70 sons from many wives (Judges 8:30,31). What kind of a father could he be to 70 sons? Not the kind that God wants us to be.
King Solomon had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. His wives turned his heart away from God (1 Kings 11:3). His downfall as a king was a result of his practice of polygamy.
Nowhere in the Bible can we find polygamy doing any good. Everything that is said about it shows it causes troubles. That has not changed. Today polygamy still causes many marriage problems for those who practice it.
Let us see some Bible principles that teach against the practice of polygamy. (Genesis 2:23,24) says that “a man is to leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife.” God did NOT say that man was to be joined to his “wives.” He said that man was to be joined to his “wife.” That is one and only one!
@peanut1warcken God's perfect beginning include Adam and Eve being naked and eating plants
Based on your logic, God's true will is for us to be naked and not eat animals, and he has ever since approved of this "sin" by regulating it and even Jesus walked around clothed and ate animals.
Consider your logic
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"Nowhere in the Bible can we find polygamy doing any good"
So the 12 tribes of Israel just doesn't exist then 😂
This is so sound. Thanks for sharing sir.
In the NT WE have the story of the five virgin brides waiting for a groom, one man going for his 5 brides.
Adam only had one wife and she caused him to turn his back on God.
The Torah OT warns us against women hating
Gods wisdom and want to live according to her own way.
Terrible argument. What other things were tolerated because of the hardness of man’s heart? This is adding to scripture and goes against the idea of polygyny being regulated in the Torah.
God was never for divorce. God sent Hagar back to Abraham, used Jacob’s wives(plural) to create the 12 tribes. God himself shows himself as married to Israel and Judah gives one a writ of divorcement.
The scripture being used against polygyny is clearly about divorce, and it says so at least 4 times. God in other places mentions divorce as an ugly and violent thing. Nowhere is that said about Polygny and there is not one verse to back up this nonsense.
Insightful, I've been saying it now I have a standard reference and teaching. Thank you sir
Your standard reference should be scripture not somebody's incorrect interpretations
@@Polygyny
Thank you, finally someone's says it.
In the beginning God didn't create children so therefore people are not supposed to have children. If God wanted people to have chilren then he would have created them from the beginning. Do you see how dumb that sounds? That's the same line of logic.
He is 100% wrong. The same way he said that if God wanted men to have multiple wives, he would have given Adam more than one when he created Eve, in that same token, if God wanted all Christian men to have only one wife, why did he say those were the qualifications for Bishops and not all Christian men? People use the Bible in a way to support what they believe and fell only. He is not using the Bible in the aspect of sticking solely to its truth and not adding his own assumptions.
Omo see how PL is looking at him😭😍😍
Deuteronomy 17:17 King James Version 17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.1 Corinthians 7:2
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. (You can't have your own if you have to share it with multiple people.)
David wanted to take another man's wife God told him Dave if you wanted more I would giving another wife explain pastor
Read the passage carefully. God didn’t say that. Nowhere does it says God gave David Saul’s widows for David himself to marry. And nowhere does it say that David married any of Saul’s wives. God said he gave David victory over Saul so that David had all of Saul’s possessions and could have had even more than that-an even greater kingdom. God was contrasting his generosity with David’s lack of gratitude exhibited when he took another man’s wife for himself and had the man killed.
@@cbtam4333 nope. Multiple other verses however show that multiple wives was ok. Abraham. Jacob. Moses.
One must remember that saints in the Old Testament men didn’t just “have” more than wife, they were given more than one wife by God himself.
In fact, when David committed adultery & murder, the Lord God even told him He would have given him more wives if he would have asked (2 Sam. 12:7-8). In addition, David had an unknown [small] number of concubines.
Because of the hardness of their heart, the Lord allowed it if not from the time of creation, he created male and female. If the Lord supported had said this " therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh. He didn't say he shall cleave to wives but wife.
@@edowitch4703 God didn’t say that to David. He simply said if you wanted another wife all you had to was ask.
@@paullaymon5746 God knew his heart hence he said that, it doesn't mean that God supported it. In the day of ignorance God overlook
@@edowitch4703 God said he did support it, all he had to do is ask. God himself already gave David four wives.
@edowitch4703 his heart was after God's own heart so how can you say he had a hard heart?
That is a logical fallacy
If God say a king should not have multiple wives then it is safe to say his not against polygamy. I’m not a fan of polygamy I’m a fan of the truth.I believe God never rebuked David and Solomon about it, because he did not have a problem with it. In fact David repented and seek forgiveness from God after he committed adultery, neither David nor Solomon sought forgiveness for having many wives. Another example that proves that God is not against polygamy is Mat 25V1-13. There, Jesus compared the kingdom of heaven to marriage. It states that the kingdom of heaven is like a bridegroom marrying ten virgins. Now if the kingdom of heaven is something that is holy and pure I don’t think that Jesus would compared it to a style of marriage that is ungodly and dirty and state that they are similar. Keep in mind that the ruler of this world is satan and a lot of the world’s agenda contradicts the word of God. God tells us to be fruitful and multiply, but the world is in the business of reducing the population.
Woooo. I've just read the 10 virgins parable. 😅😅😅😅😅.
Mathew 25:1-13
'At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom......the virgins that were ready went in with the bridegroom to the banquet"
Crazy verse.
@@gilbertigabe7331 God was not in the business of promoting polygamy but he certainly wasn’t against it. Another verse that prove polygamy is not sin is Exodus 21 vs 10: “If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights.”
Now why is the word of God teaching you how to treat another wife if you should only have one 🤔 Listen people are accustom to what culture and the government approves of, but when they see a viewpoint that’s against the norms or their view, they see it as taboo and sin even if it’s not. If you do some deep research you’ll find out that Christmas is a man made holiday now I’m not against Xmas because it’s positive cause you spend time with family and exchange gift but there is 0 biblical verse about Christmas, but yet the average person will approve Xmas before they approve polygamy. Well that’s because people are more willing to accept culture’s belief rather than God’s truth. Again I’m not a pushing polygamy I’m a fan of truth.
@@WorkSmart-w4x so true. How do we celebrate Christmas surely??. But Shan polygamy. Same with tithe. They say we should tithe because Abraham tithed too, so maybe should we be ok with polygamy since it was done before the law?, and after the law it wasn't even abolished.
See how we have made monogamy law, when it's not said to be law, and we've made tithe law too when we have been freed from it in the NT.
I see polygamy as a thing we should be able to chose, knowing that there are consequences to it, earthly ones, drama, high expenses, especially in this Mordern world.
Read 2 Samuel 12:7-8. I am not saying God allowed it in the meridian of time or allows it now but he did then.
This preacher lying…see how is handler/wife was watching him to make sure he say something pleasing to her ears…Christ has no problem with polygyny…
Go back to the beginning to Adam and then come down to Abraham and Yaqob and David and Solomon. How many they had?
Polygamy is approved by God right from the beginning there was Lilith before eve and so does it go on till the days of jesus
If the population data shows women/Men ratio is not equal so what will other women do if we will marry 1 wife?
This man does not reason logically and is false about his arguments. Christ said Moses permitted divorce because of the hardness of the heart. The Bible does not say Moses permitted polygamy because of the hardness of the heart. And secondly the Bible was referring to bishops, and bishops are not all Christians. So you cannot apply a law directed at a specific position to all non positions. The Bible talks to all Christians and then it talked to Bishops, wives , husband's, slaves etc... You can't say the part of bishops is referring to all Christians. It can't be. This man is stating his personal believe about marriage his opinion.
This man is lying about the discussion Jesus was having, that case was about divorce not marriage. Please read Matthew 19 & Mark 10. It's about divorce.
If they had asked him about marriage, he would have asked them the same question, "What did Moses command in the law?" Now read from Exodus 21 and tell me what Moses commanded.
Actually, there is good reason to believe from Scripture that the discussion was about both divorce and marriage.
The Pharisees’ question was specifically about divorce. But Jesus answered by bringing the discussion back to God’s prescription for marriage from the beginning (Genesis 2) as support for his teaching on divorce and marriage and adultery, which was as follows: A man who unjustly divorces his wife, and then marries another woman, commits adultery against the first woman. This is because an illegitimate divorce leaves the marriage intact in the eyes of God, which makes sex outside of that marriage, even within another marriage, adultery.
@@cbtam4333 You need to 1st understand that the law (Torah) regulates marriage.
Exodus 21:10-11 KJV
If he take him ANOTHER wife ; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. [11] And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
In essence, if a man take on another wife, the 1st wife must no be neglected, otherwise she can leave the marriage, but without the man possessions/money.
Second, the purpose for divorce is so that the woman can re marry and not be stoned to death.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 KJV
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then LET HIM WRITE her a BILL of divorcement, and GIVE IT in her HAND, and SEND HER OUT of his house. [2] And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. [3] And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; [4] Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord : and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
The purpose for the bill of divorcement, is to serve as a witness against the man, incase to man tries to have her killed for adultery.
Third, a reiteration of point 1. Multiple Marriage is regulated by to Torah.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: [16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: [17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
What you may say is that the law no longer applies, and that would be very wrong. Deuteronomy states you shall not add nor take from the law, the "so called" Old Testament prophets said, concerning the Torah, if they speak not according to it, there is no light in them.
"Go back to the beginning, just like Jesus did". Are you saying that the same God who told David He gave him his wives, and would have given him more if David had only asked, didn't know His intent from the beginning, and had to be reminded of it by Jesus?
Have you actually thought this through, and realized what you are accusing God of?
When David's wives were listed Saul's was not among them. The scripture does not imply David had sex with Saul's wives but God gave him a lot to take care of. God is the giver. The men in the Bible with multiple wives says and the man took a wife. Not that God gave him the other wives. God gave eve to Adam. One man. One woman.
Wrong.
you are wrong all the way! you are not being honest! There is no where in the Bible you find that God disallowed a man from having multiple wives. In fact, He (God) approved it! He gave Abraham, Jacob, David, Gideon etc... multiple wives. And remember, God never change! He never make mistake! He (God) never change His mind!
I don't know where this kids get their teaching from.
THE Word of Yahuah came again unto me, saying, son of A'dam, there were two women, the daughters of one mother: And they committed whoredoms in Mitsrayim; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. And the names of them were Oholah the elder, and Oholiyvah her sister: and they were mine, and they bore sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Shomeron is Oholah, and Yerushalayim Oholiyvah. And Oholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on El-Ashshur her neighbors, YECHEZQ'EL (EZEKIEL) 23:1-5 את CEPHER
Thank you sir🙌🙌
Adam would have opened his eyes to three beautiful ladies. 😁😂
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Beginning theology can be used to dispute why u shouldn't eat meat🤷♂️. Even Jesus said they neither marry nor are given in marriage. I think God's issue in marriage is Divorce for he hates it, infidelity as the bed must not be stained, and being unequally yoked with an unbeliever. The rest is upto u. Let who eats not condemn who decides not to eat.
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Woooo. I've just read the 10 virgins parable. 😅😅😅😅😅.
Mathew 25:1-13
'At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom......the virgins that were ready went in with the bridegroom to the banquet"
Crazy verse. With all the sexless monogamous marriages im hearing about, this should make sense. 90% women denying men sex. Wth??????.
So true. God never approved of what man did. It was allowed because God give man free will to follow his way or not.
Great knowledge. I have a question, what about people that have child at young age and are christians. Are they obligated to marry each other.
Not necessarily
Yes yes they are. In fact once you have sex with a person you become one with that person. Remember whoever has sex with a harlot becomes one with the harlot!
Jesus is was talking and about divorce, and Paul was talking about bishops don’t mix things. You don’t believe the Bible?
If you use One man one woman as a principal, you also must believe we should marry our sisters and brothers. That was also established in the beginning. If he wanted it any other way he would have made it so right? Don't be stupid......
This is such poor teaching, filled with logical fallacies and traditional misreading and tropes. If your argument is that man is to *only* have one wife because God only created Eve for Adam. You also have to argue that we should be naked and unashamed, God has to create our wives from our ribs, and I don't ever want to see anything like a wedding ceremony happening because there were NO guests in the 1st marriage. Do you see the issue here? Jesus was referring back to the beginning when it comes to DIVORCE. Jesus also told a parable comparing himself to marrying 5 of 10 virgins. Jesus was surrounded by Jewish polygyny, if He wanted to speak against it He would have. You are letting culture read into the text what you want, rather than just being honest with it.
If God had made more than one helper for Adam, we could argue that a man HAD to have more than one wife. I don't think God intended polygyny to be for every man, but He intends it to be for some, particularly when there are more females than males, God would rather see them covered than alone/childless and vulnerable to attack from the enemy.
Jesus said whoever has two tunics must give one to his brother who has none.. today we have thousands of clothes and phones and cars, how many have we shared with people who don’t have ? Nobody listens to Jesus anymore
This brother lying out his teeth...wrong as hell...
Probably not lying...most likely taught wrong and never bothered to question his teachers...just like many of us for centuries now.
Spot on!
Spot off!
People who ask this question already know the answer. They know God frowns on polygamy but they still want to rationalize it. Thank you pastor for explaining this clearly
Exodus 21:10
Why? The Bible clearly permits it.
What a powerful insight
How well can you read? Does not 1 Timothy 3 say in relation to the qualifications for the elders of the local church that one must be the husband of ONE wife?
All this rise in polygamous teaching is people trying to justify their lusts , read the whole bible with a surrendered heart to God and you’ll see, it’s one husband and one wife till death do them part.
Yes sir!🙌🙌
So true. But I have a question about remarriage after losing a spouse. Is it biblical? Should it be encouraged?
I have videos addressing that. Check the channel
Unless and until the other spouse dies marriage after divorce is adultery. In marriage we are no longer two but one and no matter what you can do God sees you as one with your original spouse.
@npzwane9331 there are valid reasons for divorce in the bible (e.g. adultery (a married woman have sex with a man not her husband, a man not providing sex, shelter and food for his woman, physical injury)
If divorce happens, it is not a sin to remarry - God hates divorce but he allows it in certain circumstances and remarriage is not a sin
All of this is clear in the bible
Read 1 Timothy 5
Thank you sir
This is false teaching. The Bible is NOT silent on polygyny. The bible explicitly allows polygyny. This man is either lying or hasn't read the Bible. First he relies on the originalism fallacy. God also created, Adam and Eve naked, he created Eve from Adams rib. Why don't we also believe we must do those things too. After all, that's how it was in the beginning. God told David he would have given him more wives if he asked. God even calls himself a polygynist, married to both Israel and Judah.
A man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his WIFE and the TWO shall become ONE flesh
@@RAWALITY Exodus 21:10 "If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish."
2 Samuel 12:8 God says he would give David more wives.
Jeremiah 3, God refers to himself has the husband of two wives, Judah and Israel.
Genesis 2:24 does not contradict this because a man can have more than one "one flesh" union. He would have a separate "one flesh" union with each wife.
@@MichaelEllisYT New Testsment you wanna live under the Old testament then you dont have the covering of Christ
@@RAWALITY Then show in the New Testament where God rejected the Law and change it to restrict a man to only one wife.
@@MichaelEllisYT I'm following
Adam would have opened his eyes to 3 ladies and shouted Omo!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Your facetious attitude is irritating…men like you refuse to embrace the truth…but embrace the doctrines of demons and traditions of men…
Abraham would have opened his eyes to 3 ladies and... Oh wait, he did open his eyes to 3 ladies 😂
Yes it does
Yes, a Christian man may have two wives in accordance with the divine polygyny marital Laws of God. Study ALL the scriptures to show thyself approved and use scriptures to interpret scriptures.
Let God be true and every man a liar Jesus said the two shall become ONE
@@RAWALITY The expression "one flesh" is also used to falsely claim monogamy only marriage approved by God. But "one flesh" simply refers to sexual union. When a man pays for a prostitute, he is "one flesh" with the prostitute during sex. In polygyny, husband is one flesh with each wife. But having sex with someone does not make them your spouse.
A man who has sex with a woman and becomes "one flesh" with her doesn't make that woman his "one wife". Faulty assertion. Isn't it? Common sense tells us this. Yet this assertion is one of the main reasons for misinterpreting Genesis 2:24! "One flesh" is NOT "one wife" according to 1 Corinthians 6:16.
What? Common sense interpretation alone should be enough to tell us that "one flesh" does not mean "one wife". But we also have God's own words to help make sure their is no misunderstanding when we read 1 Corinthians 6:16. So we can see how denominationalism or the commandments of men create misinterpretation and confusion.
People who want to believe monogamous marriage is the only marriage approved by God have somehow convinced themselves that "one flesh" in Genesis 2:24 is some kind of mysterious mystical force which unites one man and one woman in marriage. THAT IS A LIE. The New Testament makes this clear in 1 Corinthians 6:16. "One flesh" merely refers to the act of sexual intercourse between a man and any woman he has sex with. So, it is GOD who joins men and women in marriage. It is not sexual relations which joins us in marriage. We can NOW see what a stretch it is to assert "one flesh" joins one man and one woman in marriage. That does NOT. It is GOD who joins men and women in marriage and it is sexual relations which joins heterosexuals as "one flesh" thereby consummating their marriages.
"One flesh" is an expression ADAM spoke regarding his physical connection with Eve and it also refers to heterosexual relations God created for "one flesh" marriage intimacy. So in a polygynous marriage, a husband consummates his marriage to both wives and is "one flesh" with each wife through sexual relations. Christian husband does NOT have sex with both wives at the same time as being "one flesh" with each wife is for heterosexual marriage intimacy between each wife with husband.
@@McMinnCountyTennessee The term “one flesh” is not used simply to refer to sexual union. It is abundantly clear that the union between a man who leaves his mother and father and cleaves to his wife is fundamentally different than the union between a man and a prostitute. One is ordained by God while the other constitutes sinning against one’s own body. Any one flesh union which undermines or destroys God’s prescription for marriage between one man and one woman is not a part of God’s plan for humans and should not be assumed to be acceptable in the eyes of God, no matter how common a practice it is.
@@cbtam4333 Read the scripture for understanding. One flesh is one flesh. The scripture itself I'm referring to does NOT distinguish between one flesh which is ordained and another one flesh which is sinful. The scripture I refer to simply states and defines "one flesh" as the sexual union of a man with a woman. So, one flesh does NOT make any kind of woman a man has sex with his wife.
@@McMinnCountyTennessee No, but the Bible does distinguish between one flesh as it was intended by God-a marriage between one man and one woman committed exclusively to each other (cleaving) so long as they both shall live, and one flesh as it was not intended-any sexual relations outside of that, which is sin.
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