Is Softball Harder Than Baseball?
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When I said a Softball is 12 inches in diameter I meant circumference... Sorry for being dumb. It will definitely happen again.
Big brain
You’re good. It could happen to anyone.
Dumb as I would never
I wanna know why a softball hitter seems to have never faced a baseball pitcher, maybe it’s because they already know it would be harder
Being dumb? It totally changes the point you were making. Neither sports use basketball sized balls
People argue about baseball or softball being harder to hit...
Meanwhile im watching a wiffleball take a 90 degree cut, twice, stop in mid air, make the batter a milkshake, then hit the strikezone.
i hate whiffle balls
@@charlieworley3 I love wiffleball
We made a rule at my house that we can only use the practice wiffle balls, as in the ones with circles on the whole ball, and the soft ones so the batter cant hit it as far. So far I have made it curve two different directions on one pitch only a few times. I could use some of the other wiffle balls but whats the fun in that? I usually mix in sidearm and normal pitching which makes it a little harder to hit. Ive struck out on a few nasty ones, but I hate the normal wiffle balls, and like blitzballs because they all break too damn much without any effort, as in anyone can throw one and make it break. No skill needed for those...
Wiffelball doesn't exist
Wiffleballs can do a 360 no scope if it wanted to
Alright, now take the best softball hitters, hand them a mlb bat, and face them off against the best baseball pitchers in the world. It’s the same results, it’s based on what you’ve practiced against your whole life and what you’re used to seeing
Well said
no let them keep there bat just like they men did, i know a few men that could hit those pitchers with the bats the women use but not the ones MLB uses.
@Meme Frog good job memefrog
Lol that’s literally what the man in this video said
I had that exact same thought
Having a baseball player try and hit softball pitches is sort of like taking a pro road cyclist and having them try mountain biking, then using that as justification for why mountain biking is harder. High level athletes are extremely specialized and their skills aren't going to immediately be transferred over to something similar without practicing it.
Don't bring logic and intelligence into this conversation! MLB players had a hard time hitting fastpitch softballs the first time they ever tried to do it. That _CLEARLY_ means it's harder to hit softballs...according to idiots and people who have preselected a conclusion.
Notice how they don't show any D1 or Olympic softball players trying to hit a MLB pitcher? I wonder why?
Is she going to try to hit an MLB pitcher throwing a baseball overhand or an MLB pitcher trying to pitch a softball under for the first time in his life. This will greatly effect the results.
But I can hit a baseball over the fence and I’m a softball player?… 🤔
@@edwardkuenzi5751 Given that Jennie Finch was throwing underhand softballs to baseball players, the equivalent would be a baseball pitcher throwing baseballs overhand to a softball player. Both situations would favor the pitcher as they have more experience.
@@gabs.2839 I don't doubt you, and I'm sure that good softball players would be good baseball players if they were to practice baseball, while the same is true for baseball skills transferring to softball. My point is that having someone with decades of experience pitching softballs to someone who's never practiced hitting one does not make for a fair comparison. If you or I or anyone without high level baseball experience tried to go against an MLB pitcher the results would not be pretty.
I love that you casually threw in there that a Wiffleball is harder to hit that both 🤣
If it were traveling the same speed. Realistically, no one can throw a whiffleball as fast as a baseball
Mark Rober recently made a video about wiffleball that helps explain why they could be so hard to hit.
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@@obviouslyanonymous yes but the curves that a wiffleball pitcher throws are much harder.
@@obviouslyanonymous MAW pitchers throw up to 95 mph in wiffle ball, all of the 90+ do come on risers tho
Now we need a good softball hitter with a wood bat against Chapman😂😂😂
Ya
I mean they’d still get their bat. Bonds got his normal bat
@@bradonloyd1521 true. But that was a disadvantage. Because it’s heavier and the pitcher is closer. I say Mike trout should go against a softball pitcher using a softball bat
@@cash6958 yeah but in today’s day in age that’s offensive for a man to beat a woman in anything so
Exactly
The fact that the softball dude was able to pitch between his legs and behind his back and still manage to not only hit the strike zone, but just annihilate entire teams while doing it, is insane.
It's like pulling off globe trotter shit in a real NBA game.
Don’t forget blindfolded lol
My father's team played and beat Eddie feiners team Twice. My dad's team won 3 national championships and finished top 10 around 10 times. They were very good.
As another commenter mentioned its like playing the globe trotters. They run their little skits and tricks and expect you to play along. Even telling you as much before and during games.
That being said my father said Eddie was a very good pitcher. He threw hard but wasn't the hardest they faced. Def not near 100 mph. One of their skits and claims to fame was the 100mps pitch. The pitcher would not actually throw the ball.. The catcher would have a ball in his glove already and act like he just caught a pitch so fast you couldn't see it. This was always done with 2 outs and 2 strikes on the batter so the pitcher can just walk off the field while the catchers rolls the ball out to the mound.
Softball DUDE. That is what it comes down to
@@tuddyrex45 thank you for sharing those memories tuddy, what a perspective. Do you remember any other stories about your father's games vs Eddie or any insights?
I have played both sports. Neither at professional or even near professional level but at a comparable level.
As soon as baseball batters realise that the actual game is "tap and run" softball becomes quite easy. As you note at the end, you do not need solid contact, you simply need ANY contact and you get on base.
Bunting that never causes a sacrifice? Hmm...
@@Lenoh I think he's referring to drag/slap bunting... Taking into consideration the size of the diamonds will also make it difficult to compare baseball bunts vs. softball bunts (sacrifice or not). It's apples and oranges... too many different variables even when comparing ERAs, Hit %, OBP, HRs, etc...
@@chrisjohannes179 I was just thinking, "any contact" is "any contact", so if you bunted the ball, it's the same as line-driving past 3rd and the shortstop. You still get on base.
Solid hitting is the goal for most batters in softball. Slapping and bunting strategies are usually just for the fastest runners on the team. Slapping is almost, in its goal, the same goal as a bunt, bunt instead of letting the ball just die on contact, your goal is to make it choppy so the bounces keep it from being fielded longer.
@@Lenoh not necessarely.. a fast catcher with a good arm can get you if your bunt is close enough of the home plate. Fumbling a bunt happens more often in softball than baseball due to the distance between the mound and the home plate.
Truthfully both are impressive as hell with the amount of training going into it. I use to play softball and sometimes I legitimately felt like those pitches were gonna snap my bat in half (that's just me though). Playing a competitive game of baseball with my cousins though yeah it definitely took huge batting adjustments. It would be interesting to see some of best softball batters going up against mlb pitchers to see how they adjust as well who knows maybe will get surprised. Both sports are hard and it's truly impressive seeing people build their crafts.
Yes/no softball is easier but I respect their grind
@@justvibing2497 any sport is "easier" if you have the proper skills. I think hurdles and high jumps are the easiest thing to do in the world, but I repeatedly watched teammates fail on jumps I had made with no effort. Those same people, would shotput 50-60 ft, while I could barely get mine to go 10. It's all specialized, the real pros are the people who are mvps in two or more sports, they're the only ones I'd actually listen to about the scaling difficulty level of any two sports.
They wouldn't get close to hitting pro baseball pitching...
All this video proved to me is that these two sports are completely different
Almost as if they are different sports lol
Amen
@@InTrancedState yeah it’s almost as if it’s a completely original sport just that the rules are almost exactly the same as baseball with the exception of a few tweaks. Must be coincidence tho
@@antoniomolina3612 🤦♂️
no, they’re not, they’re still very similar sports with minor differences
As a softball player who played baseball during a fall ball season while also playing travel softball, baseballs are harder to hit if you’re not use to it. I only got one hit that season (I was walked a lot tho cause it was fall ball and the pitchers sucked.) but I was by far the best first baseman. However my entire team was scared to be my batter, my fastest pitch at 13/14 was 52/53 but could throw 49-51 consistently with the old standard windmill snap. I could only imagine if I changed the spin and used the newer snap
I played baseball my entire youth. We had separate leagues for softball and hardball obviously. I being in a small community and within the same age group, had the opportunity to play for both teams in my graduating year. I can confidently say that hitting the softball was much easier than a baseball. However, the ball coming off the bat is much different. Didn’t have the same flight and harder to place hits. Essentially my strikeouts were way down but fielded outs were up.
so it was easier to contact the ball but not to get more runs?
@@dynad00d15as someone who plays softball, yes
So are we not gonna talk about how that guy could throw a 90+ mph softball pitch behind his back in his 60’s
Nobody said he threw 90+ behind his back.
@@IIDEADBIRDII Brody jsut did.
haha, ya that's kinda nuts
@@AJ-iu6nw is Brody a qualified sorce?? Brody didn't even pay attention to the video.
@@IIDEADBIRDII Brody is more of a man than you ever will be
Does softball exist? We know baseball doesn't.
nope
I am not sure Foolish Softball
Foolish Baseball? More like Foolish Ball!
They need to put softball hitters against mlb pitchers
@@calebcutler7832 They really should do that but I have a feeling softball players won’t have much trouble adjusting to the pitch the only thing I think will hold them back is the fact baseball fields are huge most hits will be caught.
I've played both and it takes me more time to adjust to batting for softball, but once I've made the adjustment it feels very easy to pop a hit. Casual picnic softball might skew opinions here.
Actually, a lot of big and strong guys struggle in softball. They cannot get over the mentality "it's lobbed so I can hit it real far and it's really easy to do." Therefore, I am going to hit a lot of homeruns. Cannot tell you how many of these guys I saw popping the ball up over and over and over again. If you put your ego in check and learn to hit line drives and make solid contact, you can hit well over.500 for a season, but it takes a lot of practice.
Hey man. I gotta say that you have a great channel with terrific production value going on here. Editing, commentary and the pacing is perfect, these are a joy to watch.
And this is coming from a Finn who knows nothing about baseball - the drama, spectacle, inner workings of the culture is awesomely ridiculous.
Love how nobody ever talks about a softball batter facing a professional baseball pitcher. Can you imagine Randy Johnson in his prime standing on a mound facing the best D-1softball batters
Lmao 2000 Padro Martinez against any softball hitter 💀💀💀
And that's the problem with no major pro Fastpitch leagues
There are men's softball ISC Level 1 and 2 ... we throw we even harder and faster
I have played baseball and I had no problem changing over ... more time to see the pitch and no raise ball either
I swear Sport McAllister from the Cleveland spiders would dominate them
The reason MLB players struggle against softball pitchers is because the practiced their whole lives to hit against a BASEBALL pitcher and vice versa
Or any other mlb pitcher
But what if you get a average pitcher and batter from both sports
and because they aren’t swinging the incredibly lightweight bats that softball players use
in baseball you have to have an upercut swing because the ball is going down so that gives you as much time as possible. in softball though, you'd have to swing down on the ball because it is coming up. baseball players just aren't used to that. a good pitcher in baseball could probably strike out a softball player easily because they weren't use to having to upercut their swing, so yes
@@Ojtorscher doesn’t matter if you don’t practice that
thank you so much for clarifying that both sports are hard in their own unique ways! if only everyone knew that
that's not the point of the video. "is softball harder than baseball?" and the resounding answer is NO
@@america1st721 actually what you said isn’t the point of the video he never said that baseball is harder nor softball is harder
@@olliesworld4474 what's the name of the video?
@@america1st721when does he actually answer the question?
He got quiet
great video!!!! I just know one thing my father and grandfather couldn't play baseball with us cuz it was so hard for them..... the baseball that we played hitting a 70 mph baseball was normal in this video to make it sound like a huge deal,sorry Dad keep playing softball (love you grandpa)
Now I would like to see a soft baller hit a Chapman 100 MPH pitch.
Exactly!
I would like you to hit one too
@@Addi13158 even the best mlb hitters struggle to hit a chapman pitch I don't think either of the two could hit one
I would also like to see a Chapman 100 MPH pitch hit a soft baller.
@@Clorox39 😂😂😂
If a baseball was pitched from 43 feet, the average MLB era would be 0.004
Fax
true as soon as he said they pitched from differnet spots i was like you can compare these at all. if baseball moved up it would be 10x harder if softball moved back it would be 10x easier.
Little Leage pitches at 46 feet, but travel baseball moves to 50 foot mound at 11u.
And distances to fence increase. Bat weight is another issue, most kids stop using drop 10 at 11u as well going drop 8 or drop 5 after.
Men throw from 46 ft in softball. But yeah it would be impossible because you read time is gone.
No one would want to catch
Okay so the equation to figure out what the equivalent pitch velocity is is the 60.5 feet (61.5 now) divided by the 43 foot softball distance and then multiply by the pitch velocity and since the average mlb pitcher strides out to 55.2 feet when pitching from 61.5 feet with a fastball velocity of 95 mph (the mlb average) takes the same time to the plate as a 105 mph ball launched from a pitching machine at 61.5 feet while the softball pitching distance is 43 feet and a WPF pitcher usually releases at 40.75 feet so the average pitch at 62 mph being released from there is equivalent to 93 mph making a 12 mph pitch difference on the movement idea a baseball can appear to physically rise as it has an average of 2400 rpm’s of pure backspin so while the baseball is released at a downward angle it moves back up because it resists gravity and even a standard fastball change up curveball combo is much harder to see than a softball pitch I’m not saying softball isn’t hard because it is but baseball is harder
Feiner!! Joan Joyce!! thanks for giving props to these legends. hard to compare what-ifs, kinda like boxing vs mma… but good job making your case (this was really well researched tbh)
Are we not gonna talk about the fact that a professional softball field is the same size as a little league field for 11-12 year olds.
Nope. MLB players have a hard time hitting balls pitched in a manner that is completely alien to them, so it's _OBVIOUSLY_ harder to hit a softball. Just accept it and move on. And don't ask why none of the softball players ever had to try to hit a MLB pitcher.
@@frocat5163 wtf are you smoking
@@shanemcgrath2809 Apparently sarcasm is lost on you...
Basic physics tells you why a softball does not travel as far as a baseball when hit with the same amount of force, not including basic biology.
An MLB hitter will not be able to hit a softball further than a baseball even pitched like a baseball.
@@frocat5163 the second part didn't sound like sarcasm tho mb
Yea well, let’s do a session where Chapman faces 30 of the best softball players.
Yes sir go yanks they would be scared to death
Exactly
They wouldn’t even step in the box
You think Chapman can throw a softball?
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu they have baseball hitters hitting softballs so they would obviously be hitting baseballs
From all the clips of strikeouts that you showed, just about every single pitch was beyond off the plate. Larger strike zone, more ball to hit the zone, smaller physical builds to a same size strike zone, all equals more strikeouts. Also try inverting the roles
13:30 These stats indicate that the pool of talent in Softball is much more variable than the talent in baseball. Major league baseball may be the 1% best baseball players all playing against each other. But the softball players may only be the 10% best players. Meaning that the best pitchers and best hitters are those 1% players in softball and can dominate most of the competition.
Harder for the major league baseball players to stand out.
This would explain why there are so many all star pitchers and hitters that dominate.
Good point.
Plus baseball is an international sport with millions of more players . Did u just wake up when u wrote this ?
It seems like you are agreeing with me. That's exactly my point. The pool is much bigger, so the top of the sport is necessarily a much smaller slice of the total players, and the margins between players correspondingly smaller.
Softball is the opposite. Smaller player base, larger variation between players.
@@insertphrasehere15you’re not wrong, I played d1 college softball and until you get to that level or 18u gold you don’t see these dominant pitchers. It’s a breeze up until that point
We need Jacob DeGrom facing the best softball hitter from 60 feet and she has to use a wood baseball bat. And then the best softball pitcher vs Mike Trout from 43 feet and Trout gets a softball bat
I'm guessing two strikeouts
They’re both hard and they’re not the same so there won’t ever really be a fair competition
@@treywillis126 Of course it would’nt be a fair competition because baseball is obviously a harder sport than softball duh
And hit that 400 but hay softball is apparently harder when it is not
@@aidanmanning5873 nah
One of the biggest issues I have with the methodologies shown is that they always take one player out of their element. Trajectory might not sound like THAT big a deal, but when you've spent your life perfecting the art of hitting a ball from a different trajectory, of COURSE you'll struggle. I think you'd see the same thing if the best softball hitters tried to hit baseball pitches, which doesn't appear to have even been attempted. A better experiment might be to get groups of people who've never played either one and see which skill is harder to train: hitting a baseball, or hitting a softball.
exactly.which is why the Jennie finch vs mlb baseball hitters wasn't fair for them, because they had trained all their lives with a completely different swing than one that would succeed against her pitching. and vice versa. good idea for the experiment. I'd like to see that attempted in the future.
Because they're biased and they know it and we know it.
@Lighthouse in the Storm Yeah this is some stupid bullshit. Always trying to shed women in the same light as men when there's something for them to gain. I'm tired of it, frankly.
Yup, it's almost like imagine taking the best basketball players and have them shoot on a hoop that's an extra couple feet higher, they'll have to retrain their muscle memory that they w developed their whole life
They already have that experiment. It’s called rec league softball and same for baseball. There’s a reason that you only see men in those baseball leagues. and on the other side see both men and woman playing the softball leagues. everybody is smoking the ball men and woman, opposed to the baseball side where that is not the case at all, also note the fact that you won’t see any woman playing
Some considerations:
Softball pitchers get to do that forward prance which also makes it harder to judge when/where the release is. Depending on how you time your stride/hop your hand at bottom arc could be at normal standing height or a good foot lower in a deep lunge. Oh and this just occurred to me: height. Women are often shorter than men. Making someone like Bonds even more foreign to the pitch angle.
You did point out making them use MLB equipment to hit a softball pitch. I would have had them use sport-correct equipment.
Another consideration: I noticed they didn't make softball's best batter take up against Randy Johnson.
The fairest way to judge is to eliminate as many variables as possible
So
A) do set amount of pitches with both balls in their normal pitch style from 48 feet and from 60 feet.
B) create a special wooden softball bat that adheres to the standard softball bat size and then let the batter swing at both softball and baseball using both wooden and aluminum bats.
Then measure the averages of contacts, fair hits, and strikes using both bats and distances from the plate.
It seems like just the other day BDE only had 20k subs. Now he's well over 100k and deserves every single one
11k subscribers not even 6 months ago. Our guy is killing it
dude i don’t even like baseball but he just makes his videos so entertaining
@@danielescutia4240 I don't either lol
I beg to differ
@@danielescutia4240 true i like hockey and this is one of my favorite channels
I always wonder why sports center didn't bring in a softball hitter to try and hit a baseball with a heavier wooden bat at 97-99 mph. There was definitely a narrative the producers wanted to push with that episode lol.
Definitely.
We tried that at the high school level. The boys struggled to through strikes to the smaller targets and the girls at first bunted on. The girls struggled with the long base distsnce and used the smaller lighter softball bats. Girls scored 8 in three innings, boys didnt reach base, but they refused to use the lighter bats or take contacts swings
@Tyler but isn't pride a huge part of baseball? I mean when people think about great hitters in baseball most think about home run hitters. But when you think about just a couple of the greats, Ichiro and Gwynn both used very light bats, Ichiro the lightest bat. Both didn't care about home runs and both have many major league recirds. But with that said I can still hit a 70mph softball fastpitch from 37 feet (all good softball pitchers are at a minimum 6 feet off the mound when they release the ball) but I struggle hitting against 95 mph over hand pitcher....even with a lighter bat.
@@owenjohnson5333 Are you sure their bats were that light? im finding 32 and 32.5 oz for their bats, which really isnt that light. Gwynn used a fairly short bat, but didn't really weight much less than average. That seems like kind of a stretch to call their bats 'light' when fastpitch bats are -10 drops.
Idk about a narrative. I’ve never heard anyone say “softball hitters would crush DeGrom”. It’s pretty much always been softball pitchers can’t face mlb hitters.
I don't even like sports but you manage to make interesting videos about them regardless well done.
I played both, gotta say fastball (aka softball) the bases & pitcher are closer ie. less reaction time & softball has 1 pitch I never saw in hardball, the rise ball. I’ve seen a softball rise about 2 feet, they don’t really have an equivalent pitch in hardball.
We always bring the baseball players to the softball field, but never the softball players to the baseball field
I’m assuming it’s because of the argument “Baseball is much tougher then softball”. So you get this video..... They should of took a female batter and pit them against the male baseball pitcher. Of course that’s not the argument here, it’s just pitching. With the way things are going. We will see more “males” playing in the female softball league 😂. Js.
A baseball is much more dense and moves faster than a soft ball and a baseball bat is a lot heavier than a softball bat so girls would have a major disadvantage and it would also be more dangerous baseball is made to be played by someone much stronger so softball was made where they speed up the game to make up for it not being as physically demanding what I’m trying to say is baseball is made for a man and softball was made for a woman because women couldn’t play baseball and a man is not allowed to play softball I think they are of the same difficulty when a GIRL played softball and a MAN plays baseball the only way to figure it out would be to allow men to play fast pitch softball as women are already allowed to play in the MLB but very few have ever made it
@@kalphite8673 men are not allowed? you do realize there are slow pitch and fast pitch softball leagues for men?
@@kalphite8673 have you ever heard of a camma or a period? Do a quick Google search. I'm sure you'll find them helpful 😉
@@gregorydalton3106 damn didnt know there are people like you around here
Trever Bauer knows how too add 100rpm to your softball pitching
She was working with bubba
Haha maybe its the coaching not the substance
Lol
Haha
He got that good stuff
Yo I’m a huge fan, your knowledge is insane dude.
All this talk about can a baseball player hit a softball, but can a softball player hit a baseball from a major league pitcher or even a college or Minor league pitcher?
This guy became the greatest softball pitcher all for a meme😂😂
What a true legend
I don’t understand why “the only way” to prove softball is harder than baseball is a softball pitcher and baseball hitter. Wouldn’t you also do baseball pitcher with softball hitter.
Exactly
that’s what i was saying like put degrom or chapman against of one of the best softball hitters
I think its because most people automatically assume MLB hitters are better than softball hitters, so a softball pitcher striking out the “better” hitters proves it. I personally think both styles of hitting are different enough that neither sports hitters could do well against the other sports pitcher
There is no way to prove it, there is no comparisons.
It's impossible to prove because if a baseball player plays his whole life hitting baseballs the fact he has trouble hitting softballs that move completely differently does not mean it's harder to hit a softball. Part of the issue is just that it's really hard to get your timing right on a softball when you're used to the way baseballs move after 20 years of playing
as somebody whose officiated both at the HS level, it really comes down to preparation. Both are hard to hit and any display before the pitching change which moved the softball rubber back to 43ft really is null and void today. When the rubber was at 40 ft.. scary.. but 43.. even mathmatically they are pretty evenly matched now. It's not that one's tougher than the other.. it's really.. if you're used to baseball.. that will be easier.. velocity is not the problem... movement in baseball is bigger.. softball.. even 43 ft, you don't have much time for adjustments. But as someone who has both officated and played both... hitting the pitches just takes a little practice... but both are pretty equal today.. now, once the ball is in play.. the IF for softball can't misplay the ball or they are safe at first.. baseball.. they can misplay it a bit and still get the runner at first.
This is a great video. I'd love to see the best softball hitters face the best baseball pitchers. Has that ever happened? If not, I wonder why.
@@Teronaxthat’s what I’ve been thinking this entire time
So they never tested a softball player hitting an mlb pitcher?
Cuz they would lose look these are clearly put up to get people to watch soft ball even do its boring af so its rigged
How come baseball players are using 34ounce wood bats instead of a 22ounce aluminum bat.
@@donadams5507 Because that’s extremely dangerous. With a softball, they need that light weight to hit it as far(well at least compared to the size of the field). Also men generally have more arm strength. If someone who can hit a ball with an exit velo of 115, had an aluminum bat it would fly off the bat too fast for reflexes
@@donadams5507 Only noobs and kids use a 22 ounce bat. I use a 34 inch 30 ounce alloy bat. I don't even think they make just aluminum bats anymore. I don't use composite either and young people think my bat must be cheap because it's not composite. They're idiots. Never in my life used composite and had the highest batting average every year.
@@ericbogar9665 Only noobs and girls use non wood bats. I use a 33ounce 34inch wood bat as any man should.
The issue with "which is harder to hit" Softball vs Baseball, really comes done to familiarity. There was a college that "replayed" the sports science test, pitted the best female Softball pitcher on their schools team, who was ranked top 5 in the US, versus the best Baseball hitter on their schools team, rated in the top 50. The difference is the hitter was allowed to "prepare" for how Softballs are pitched. He visited batting cages for 1 day, & spent am additional day with another Softball pitcher. When the match up came, the hitter struck out the first, took 2 strikes next, a foul, then another strike. On the third set he fouled, then line drive. Fourth set line drive, followed by deep hit, lastly he hammered the last pitch for a homerun. He had essentially figured out the angle, & speed difference, add in the ball being a larger size, & the Baseball player now has an advantage. This is the key to this argument, facing an unseen style of "pitching" can obviously cause any hitter to fail, but adapting to Softball seems to be a simpler task then adapting to a Baseball
Not refuting you but the sample size for your conclusion that all it comes down to is “preparation” is pretty much 0 so your conclusion makes 0 sense.
@@biorgoanylchem it does make sense, your only point is that the sample size could be bigger
@@biorgoanylchem Jon V is right. If you play minor league baseball and face a MLB pitcher, the only thing to do is to prepare by watching and facing it. If you see the pitches for some time, you eventually can hit it. This may not be the best analogy, but I hope you get the idea.
100%. I’ve been playing softball for 13 years now, went an entire season without striking out, yet I can’t imagine trying to hit a ball that’s coming down at a downwards angle like that
Hell just the motion of the pitcher can throw you off too due to unfamiliarity.
At high levels a lot of it comes down to muscle memory. Your muscles have no memory for such a different pitching motion and subconscious processes fault out.
if anything, your videos are thought provoking and absolutely spark conversation. i'll say this, having played competitively into D1 baseball: i'd rather face a 12-6 than a riser all day. Women's fast pitch is an incredibly dope sport that has always lived in the shadow of Men's baseball. it's a shame.
I don't know how the show calculated energy but I ran the weight and speeds for a baseball and softball through a ballistics calculater and got 99 ft/lbs for the baseball and 76 ft/lbs for a softball. A KE value of 2400 ft/lbs would make the impact energy 2X greater than a 5.56 NATO round out of 20" barrel.
That Bonds and Finch banter reeks of a certain kind of tension
I know! I was just waiting for that clip from The Office: "THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!"
Yes bonds wanting it bad, but she just wants to strike him out.
@@Zraknul They were both feeling each other
Gross
There are a few things wrong with this in my opinion. The first is they didn't let softball hitters go up against some like chapman or any mlb pitcher. The other thing that I thought was wrong was that the batters that faced the softball pitchers had never had the chance to adapt to that kinda pitch while softball players have their whole career to be able to adapt to it.
That was exactly what I was thinking
Mens high level fastpitch throw 80-90mph at 47' distance.
Having a women vs man is not very accurate either.
Also swinging a 34 oz bat doesn’t help. I think softball it’s like 24 oz
thinking the exact same thing lol
Exactly. They are two different sports. This is like asking a farmer, "can you cook?"
I was always under the impression that both the baseball and softball mounds were the same distance ..
Why haven’t we tried softball hitters hitting a professional 100 mph pitcher using a softball mound and vice versa
My brother Tom faced Eddie Feigner, Rod Lanagis and Stan Kern . Hit home runs off two of them in baseball fields . He told me Eddie was the trickiest, Langis the best and Stan Kern the fastest at 130 mph he wacked two from Stan out of baseball parks and became all star second baseman for Canada because of it . BTW he was a shortstop and this was the first time he played second base . My dad was his coach .
I’m just playing neutral here. A softball is one of the hardest things to hit but the best softball player ever wouldn’t stand a chance against deGrom or Chapman
Hey! Sorry to tell you but this isn't a neutral opinion imo :)
i mean even a majority of baseball hitters don't stand a chance against those two so..
Fax
it's stupid to compare them by whether or not one could strike out the other. Only one will be in their comfort zone, and the bats they use and the ball being pitched aren't the same. it's just a big piss race
Correct! Vice versa would be true as well.
I played baseball for well over 18 years, up into college, and by far the hardest sport I've ever played is golf.
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Have you been playing the show or Something because baseball is way harder than golf. Why do you even think golf is a sport compared to baseball
@@Ihitnukes11267 I want you too try it it’s harder than you think
so the moral of the story, as I understand it, is that baseball and softball are two very different sports and should not be compared with one another
If they can't be compared, then which two can? They're the most alike of any ball sport I can think of.
This was a great video. Very nuanced and expressive of both sides. Good work on this
Girls hands are smaller, but use a bigger ball, makes no sense
Being tested in head to head conditions, the pitcher from either sport has the advantage over the hitter from the other as long as the softball pitcher doesn't have to throw from the mound 60 ft away. The change in angle would force the hitter to change their swing, while the pitcher can just do what they do best.
exactly, baseball players have devoted their lives to hitting baseballs, not softballs, the test doesnt work
I got my popcorn ready for the comment section
I have mine ready as well 🍿
I get my popcorn ready once I see a new upload from our main mans
Y’all got some salt?
Also I propose a news game called hard ball. It’s essentially a regular game but has two mounds. A baseball mound in the back and a soft ball mound in the front. If a pitcher chooses to pitch on the soft ball mound the batter gets a softball bat and vise versa. The bases are soft ball distance and the outfield is baseball distance. We should just see what happens because it would be ridiculous
Yup
It's because of the over/under trajectory. Baseball players are used to swinging vs softball. And those settle differences is the reason. Plus all that other stuff you said
I dont know what is aluminum but it must be some sort of a Light material like aluminium.
Umm why was it never measured as a baseball pitcher against a softball hitter?
Ik that's what I was thinking
That would erase all doubt that softball is easier
Because it's all about women appearing superior to men.
@@mtoohill yes thats true but your saying that men are not allowed to have any kind of (for lack of a better word) defense against this?
@@caseymcdougall5925 Not in this society.
I will say this. I was batting right around 500 my senior year in high school. I struck out a few times going against a female softball pitcher. I did some practicing and I was able to adjust to the different style and could hit. It really is just adjusting to a completely different style of pitching and ball travel.
Yeah all these pros have sent 20 plus years perfecting the one ball travel style, so its really unfair to the batter in any of these makeshift scenarios. They both are hard in their own way.
I did that too
I have played both sports many times. They are challenging in their own way. Obviously, facing a major league pitcher who can throw 95 mph, with breaking stuff is incredibly difficult. The biggest difference is the size of the fields. I played first base in softball and some left handed hitter were huge who could hit the ball 350+ feet. I played a short outfield for those guys. I never wanted to catch or pitch in softball because of the dangers involved. The softball field is SO SMALL when you are a full grown man.
speed equivalent for 100 mph is 140 mph, in order to conver. multiply the softball pitch by 60.5 then divide by 43
Barry Bonds voice sounds so much different than I expected it to be.
Yes! I thought the exact same thing!
You mean very high pitched? Like the thing that is a side effect of doing lots and lots of steroids?
@@LancasterResponding yep lol
maybe its the roids haha
@@LancasterResponding other way round, taking male hormone makes your voice deeper
It should be a war crime that there is an ad right before the beat drops in the intro
Lonely island "when will the bass drop" has you covered.
Well how about a softball player tries to hit off a baseball player
I play baseball at a younger level where the mound is just as close as a softball mound and I see 65 regularly
Let me just ask why there wasn't a test of the best baseball pitcher against best softball hitter, we need this to really prove anything
There it is.
They can't find a pitcher willing to give up their limited bullets.
@@Zraknul there is the offseason
Because all softball refuse to conduct that experiment as a result of them knowing they’d get owned. The argument ends when you get a baseball pitcher against a fastpitch hitter.
Just imagine the MLB pitching mound was moved to 43 foot.
you wouldn’t be able to see the ball
Exactly!!!
imagine...... pitchers are already getting to dominant.
Then we're talking about 110+ mph top speed. That would be insane, and a lot of dead ball players.
@@mezz0075 if you're playing bean ball.. without a fuckin doubt. They can't react at 61 feet much less 2/3rds of that.
As someone who played both, baseball by far idk just found it was easier to read from that release point
There should be a video where baseball pitchers pitch to a softball player from the Softball mound. The distance plays a role in the speed of the pitch by the time it gets to the hitter. Something with a softball player. Have a softball pitcher throw from a baseball mound and have someone hit that.
The funny thing is this is proving that pitching for baseball is harder than pitching for softball
thats what i was thinking the entire time watching this lol
@@bryanputman1582 and when did a girl try to hit a baseball with a wood bat
@@garrettkucera1264 lol softball is somewhat harder and this is coming from a baseball player
Ok go pitch a softball
im just saying they could have added that to help with the study
If pitchers in the MLB threw from 43 feet nobody is hitting it😂
Facs
And if hitters in the mlb had a 200 foot home run wall everyone would be batting 500
@@hoppingh907 you realize the ball weighs weigh more and as he said in the vido men are geneticly stronger dosent mean our sport isnt hard
@@lilabear9968 Have you held a softball? Just because it is bigger than a baseball doesn't mean it is heavier than a baseball. Softballs are way lighter. Also a bigger target for the hitters. Softball players don't have to hit as far, don't have to run as far, and don't have to work as hard as a baseball player.
Why comparing this! They are not the same sports it like comparing powerlifting with weight lifting or judo with karate, that they are in the same sport discipline doesn't mean they are the same as he is saying. Softball and baseball both have their challenges.
In Canada we call it Fast Ball, Soft Ball is when you just lob it in underhand and can be mixed with 4 women and 6 men
so when we doing major pitcher on softball hitter?
The reason why it’s hard for mlb players to hit a softball is because there used to hitting a baseball
Yeah
Give them a day of practice and they would be crushing softball pitching
lol that’s obvious.
Totally. Finch while great, would give up 6+ runs a game in the best men's leagues around. And that's men's modified. Not even talking men's fast pitch.
Exactly!!! Just common sense
I think you've got the wrong diameter measurements, there's no way Jose Altuve is only 5.5 softballs tall
Diameter of a softball: 3.5 in.
So 5.5 softballs =19.25 in, or 1 foot 7 inches. That’s about 4 feet away from Altuve’s height, lol.
maybe he's just that short lol
I'm pretty sure he meant circumference and not diameter but it did sound funny
@@rhark25 yeah he must've otherwise he was saying a softball was 1 foot across. Major fuck up
@@rhark25 yeah ik lol
I also hear a lot from softball players that the hit more homeruns but did you ever consider that softball fields are like 2-3 times shorter in distance.
I'm from the UK and just thought Softball was just the amateur or school version. We play(ed) a game here as kids called Rounders which is very similar.
I remember struggling to hit a slow pitch softball when I joined a local men's league. I played baseball for 15 years. Couldn't hit that ball at all in our first practice. Moral is that the pitches are different so the trying to see if a pro can hit the ball is really dumb.
Also, the more pitches a professional hitter sees, the more locked in they will get. I'd love to see the best softball hitter get in the box against Gerrit Cole, Jacob DeGrom or Walker Buehler and try and get a hit. Very different skillsets.
when it’s slow, you think too much about hitting the ball and you get the yips. In baseball, you swing essentially on instinct and repetition. it’s like going from facing the Vandy commit throwing 95, to facing the backup center fielder throwing 65.
Yeah I recently played slow pitch softball for the first time after not playing baseball for 6 years... struck out 3 times lol... pretty sure I'm not waiting on it enough. It's a strange adjustment.
You trained for something and is expected to excel at another role in 30 minutes? Let's see if softball players can hit Jacob deGrom
Major leaguers have a hard time so I can only imagine
Agreed! I was a college baseball player, after college I played slow pitch rec baseball, it was totally different! I swear it took me 3 or 4 games just to be able to hit the softball out of the infield. Totally different, so yes you train all your life for 1 thing then try something different your not going to be great at it……… long winded way of saying I agree that’s all
@@idolnash13 lol
sAME FOR MEN BUT THEN THEY ARE LIKE WOWOWOW OMG WOMEN STRIKES OUT THE WORST PLAYER EVER WOWOWOW SHES INSANE BEST IN THE WORLD
Jacob degrom can picth to them it would be easy
The thing is if a baseball pitcher through to a soft ball batter they would strike them out pretty easily and if a soft ball pitcher through to a baseball player they would strike out because they are used to different things
This was really well done.
funny how i’ve never seen a softball player try to hit 100 mph
Fr tho
Facts
But that doesn't fit the model of setting up the man in a no win situation which is clearly not apples to apples, so it'll never happen
It’s underhand
Probably because no one has ever thrown a softball 100mph…
Yeah okay there’s obviously a big argument to both sides, I just wanna see the “best player in softball” right now try to hit a baseball off of a person like Jacob Degrom, anyone else?
This has been what I was saying through the video. You can't have a comparison with one sided test. All that proves is that baseball players have a hard time hitting softballs, nothing more.
@@caferace8418 take into account all the accolades he said softball players did in single settings to me it genuinely sounds easier they have less wear and tear bigger wider bats and the balls wider giving you a lot more space to hit I’ll be honest most female sports men would dominate in once they get adjusted simply because they’re easier nba is 12ft rims if im not mistaken WNBA is like 9 or 10 feet matters pitchers are further in mlb than softball and compare powderpuff to nfl🤣
@@sl1mreapa398 They are different sports. Some skills may transfer, but the rules are very different. Honestly the whole which is easier doesn't even matter, the one people train in will be easier for them.
The difference in men's and women's sports is due to the difference in physical strength. Sure men do have a strength advantage, but let's be honest, most of us couldn't compete with female profesinal athletes and having pride because you share a gender with someone that trained to do something well is silly.
@@caferace8418 okay let’s se Serena Williams arguably most dominant female athlete said men would kill women’s tennis Simone biles got beat by some Asian dude name one female cyclist who’d beat lance armstrong, who’s beating Michael Phelps or who’s wrestling men in the Olympics if you can’t tell that men dominate the sports world then your blind
@@caferace8418 i literally stay a few minutes from a softball team now mind you I’m a 19 yr old joe shmo never played fast pitch once and I blasted the first ball they pitched, it comes pretty fast but all that surface area you have to hit and swing with it’s super fkn easy i bet everything I own give a softball a year in baseball and she still wouldn’t be able to hit off guys like well Marcus stroman
My baseball team played the softball team in softball and with zero practice beat them 27-3
OK we’re not gonna talk about how softball pitches rise baseball players aren’t used to a rising ball
My man really said a baseball is 9 inches in diameter, had me rethinking life.
because its not, I think he was thinking of circumference.
@@pokeygorilla9368 baseballs are 5 inches
Probably told his girl he was as big as a baseball
@@staceybailey8163 5 ounces
@@pokeygorilla9368 but did you ask google?
Finer was basically if a top 5 draft pick decided he wanted to be a Harlem Globe Trotter instead of going to the NBA, and I love it.
They should put pro pitcher vs softball hiter
Wow, it's almost like they're different games, and the knowledge and skill in one doesn't translate to the other
It’s always a good day when BDE uploads
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this topic is so interesting
@@nyaheh5878 same it seems like lots of good content comes Friday after school for me
tis isnt it
The idea that Finch could prove hitting in softball is harder than hitting in baseball, when the demonstration includes exactly zero hitting of baseballs, is ludicrous. You'd have to have softball hitters try to hit baseball pitching as well, which they would fail at very badly, because that's not what they've trained to do.
Excellent point
That’s a great point
I'm just going to add this, and I'm sure it won't help anything: when I was coaching rec-league softball (10-year-olds), I realized in the first few practices they had no idea how to hit the softball, even off the tee.
So, I went and got a baseball tee and a pile of baseballs, sprayed them with yellow spraypaint, and setup the tee, spending a whole practice JUST coaching them batting these baseballs off the tee.
If memory serves correctly, the girls were smacking the softballs in the next practice without much trouble at all. It could be argued that just teaching them how to think about how to hit in general made them better, but I can tell you anecdotally, going from learning to hit the smaller ball to the bigger one made them the best team in our rec league, hands down. It wasn't about the wins, but the confidence, and the girls gained that in spades.
I don't know that a softball player could rock a baseball the same way, though.
EXACTLY! They're just different sports!
Are we just not gonna talk about the fact that a baseball moves a ton because the mlb curveball drops like 5 feet between when it reaches the plate and is caught by the catcher
@1:52 - 2:05
Ohhhhh myyyyy 😏thought I was watching a scene from blacked lol
A baseball player told me he struggled in softball with the upward trajectory of the softball pitch. But when he did occasionally hit a softball, it stayed hit.
it stayed hit 😂facts
“He would be sent...to prison” got me🤣🤣
I’ve played both and I’ll say this: Softball is way easier to pitch in, and easier to make contact. A baseball is harder to pitch, but easier to hit far. Also the hiters are a lot better in baseball.
You cant put a softball pitcher against a baseball hitter and call that fair. You also cant put an MLB pitcher against a softball hitter and call that fair. Both games have harder and easier parts then the other.
A competitive sport can never truly be harder or easier than another competitive sport. Easier to score or hit home runs? Definitely possible. Easier to pitch? Also possible. But a sport can never be harder than another similar sport because any advantage you gain is also gained by your opponent. If mlb was to allow metal bats, it would become much easier to score runs, but you would also need to score more runs to keep up with the other team.
That's a good point
But that’s not the same if you have football players a a rugby ball they’d struggle cause it’s different so no some sports are definitely harder in certain areas
@@sl1mreapa398 I think the main point is all sports have their own difficulties and easier aspects but its just a different sport that takes different players
@@sl1mreapa398 A football player would not be able to deal with the aerobic workload of a rugby, but IMO a big hit by an unpadded football player could probably kill the typical rugby player
@@atomicgiraffe250 Rugby players are trained to hit without pads while NFL players are trained to hit with pads. If unpadded, rugby players would murder NFL players. Remember, rugby players are all BUILT and they have been train to hit without pads ever since they're young. There's no debate.