Testosterone Replacement TRT The reason I Quit
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- I explain TRT from my personal experience. I go over the blood work and list the reasons at this time I have decided stop treatments. Given the advise from the Endocrinology doctor.
I've been in healthcare 30+ years trained in integrative functional medicine and I specialized in hormone optimization. Most men who are a little overly fat will experience more aromatization when starting testosterone replacement and this MAY increase prolactin levels. However, after a few months this will normalize in most cases. The simple fix is to simply split the dosage. Instead of injecting 150mg per week you would split it to 50mg 3X per week. Actually most men do very well on 50mg 2x per week. There is a lot to this, but for me personally, I inject 30mg every 4th day and my levels average around 1000 total T and free T is around 160-180 and I am 59 years of age. You must also look at your SHBG and inject accordingly.
im 47 and do 50mg every 4 days, my levels are between 900-1100.
This is by far the MOST misinformed TRT experience I have ever encountered
I have to agree. I don’t fault the guy though. I put it on his doctor. His doctor doesn’t seem to understand the intricacies of TRT. An endocrinologist or TRT specialist is what this guy needs.
@@djquick He went to ando Dr didn't you watch his video ?
@@jackhammer2671well sometimes you don't need it. I was told to get off it by an endo. I was terrified but my levels returned to normal after 2 years on test.
For real. The poor dude needs to do 2 or 3 shots per week , not once a week. 100-105 a week is all most guys need for that range
The body gives small pulses of testosterone during the week. Loading up 1 big shot leads to a lot of aromatization. Talk about splitting up the dose to 2-3 shots per week, smaller doses. Maybe even with an insulin needle to avoid scar tissue and more convenience.
Thank you.
100 mg seems just right. I do micro dosing.. 0.175 ml 3 times per week, which equals about 100 mg/week. Doing it that way gives you a more level quantity than less frequent higher doses.
Also, make sure you do the blood draw right before your next dose.
I've been on TRT for nearly 8 years now, and the best way I've found to do it is a twice weekly dosing schedule using a SubQ needle(insulin). Adding HCG to your TRT is pretty important too since it'll keep your testicles functioning normally while on exogenous testosterone. So Monday/Thursday I'd dose both my TRT/HCG and I'd subscribe to the philosophy that less is more.
What were your doses of both?
I seem to be struggling to dial in my T to E ratio. My estrogen always climbs too quick. Aromasin makes me feel hellish also 👎
whats ur dose of both ? and i have a question, what day do u do blood works, wednesday or thursday ? do u take both injection at the same time ? Please share ur information we appreciate it :)
.3cc from a 200mg/ml test cyp vial + 500iu HCG Both twice a week on Monday/Thursday. I get my blood drawn twice a year with my trough day being Thursday morning. I use insulin needles and do each injection separately at different locations.
@@adamsuleiman5635
Wrong!
Jab every evening with prop or don't bother! If you have to take an Ai you are on too much gear and/or a bad protocol!
I tried to quit and that was the worst thing I have ever felt.
I felt like a dead man.
Yes it is gut punch and then some
I haven't started TRT yet but strongly considering it. I have researched like crazy. It seems to me at MINIMUM I would do 2 shots a week of 50mg each to start. These places starting everyone on a single shot of 200mg is nuts. The peaks and valleys are far too big and not steady. The body doesn't produce like that why would we do therapy like that.
100% agree. I am now breaking it up into twice a week myself.
@@JonPaulChannel 2 times a week, 40mg each, this is what's working for me. But everybody is so different, I hear these stories about guys taking 200mg/week, this would be deadly dosage for me
@@JonPaulChannelI wish my doc would let me shoot at home. As they do weekly shots and it's would be to hard gettin in 3 times a week. And last 3 shots I've missed because the nurse wasn't in.... so I'm. It liking this. Any suggestions?
You need to be on it for a good while before you worry about blood marker’s being out of wack, your body will adjust. 150/140 is not anything to worry about. It’s good to check your blood levels.
thank you
One thing I don't like about your endocrinologist is him saying that you'd go back to normal if you stop injecting. This is not true at all. There is a special course you need to take to restart your hypothesis to produce LG hormone, which will tell your testicles to produce T. Also you should not be just taking T alone, if you need your testicles functioning properly you should be injecting HCG too
Half life of the testosterone shot is 7 or 8 days. Day 9, you'll start feeling down.
TRT was the best thing I've ever done. Zero regrets.
That 2nd week after coming off the shot I felt worse than ever. I will be going back on once I find doctor / clinic that will prescribe it and I do the shot myself and insurance pay for it. I'll know by mid next week if this doctor will do that.
The worst thing I have done. Weight gain, never snored before now snore so much it wakes me up and my sleep sucks, no benefits. Quit a month ago after a year and no negative side effects
Never felt the negative effects, I know this is a one off possibly, but it was worth it. The negative effects from taking it was not worth it for me.
@@brucegates6268 Can I ask did you use HCG with the Test?
How long have you been on and how much are you taking? I’ve been on 80mg for about 2 months now and it’s been wonderful.
Hated TRT . Hot flashes mood problems , then 2-3 days after shots I would get so sick like the flu almost even after weeks and weeks on it .
Hey man, what was your dosage?
"shrunken testicles" is a standard side effect, not something you get because you "took too much" - since you are replacing your body's natural testosterone production, your body doesn't activate "your boys" anymore for that purpose, so they shrink. its an expected result.
Yes. I’ve learned that though at the start of this going to clinic they never discussed it at all with me. I’ve learned more from ppl like you on this.
That’s my fault as I said in the video. When I go back next month I will certainly have a better understanding.
@@JonPaulChannelmakes sense. hope it all works out for you. I will be starting soon but need to wait a bit for fertility reasons
@@JonPaulChannel did your balls shrink? Did they come back to size? Thx
Once you do it you won’t ever stop. Ur not gonna go back to feeling like shit. And your estrogen level going up isn’t a bad thing. Ur worried about the little and not the big picture.
Back in the days men used to have test of 2000-3000. Over time with toxins and air and what we digest and plastics it has brought down the numbers of what’s “reference range”
How do they know what Mens levels were hundreds of years ago? Genuine question
@@torqueofthedevil8145 In addition to making people aggressive, testosterone affects the way human skulls grow, and this factor was key in the research. High testosterone levels are associated with thicker brow ridges and other facial traits. Cieri’s group compared measurements from the skulls of ancient humans-dating to as early as 200,000 years ago-with those of modern Homo sapiens. They found that nearly all the skulls belonging to people who lived more than 80,000 years ago show evidence of testosterone levels that were far higher than any modern-day human’s. These high hormone levels may have made social cooperation and community-building more difficult. By contrast, the more recent skulls have traits that indicate lower testosterone levels, which may have allowed ancient humans to live together in larger groups and interact peacefully with outsiders, thus facilitating cultural exchange and advancing technological innovation.
It sound like it’s more inconvenient for you but the result sounds great
I have lived in Thailand for eight years. Testosterone is available right across the counter here and you trot down to a clinic to get an injection for about three dollars. I was 65 when I first came here and went to see a Swiss doctor who specializes in TRT. He did bloodwork and told me that my T levels were TOO HIGH and that high numbers would have the opposite effect. My urologist in the USA had recommended 250 mg every three weeks and the Swiss doctor cut me back to once a month. I am 73 now and I just don't seem to be getting the same results from the T-shots. I have experimented with shots twice a month and once a month and I am just not having the kind of results that I want as far as erection. I use Testosterone Enantate 250 mg. It looks like my libido may have crashed permannently. Any comments are welcome.
At your age, are you worried about bloodclots, or stroke?
Have you noticed any testicular atrophy?
You should trust in Jesus and not worry about sexual things. Sensuality has brought about a lot of anguish and confusion in the world.
Sorry for the late response on this. Have you tried to add Cialis along with the testosterone? Some have said the daily pill along with the shot has helped them.
So your getting a whacking great bolus dose shooting your testosterone and estradiol through the absolute roof to super physiological levels and then your levels are crashing back down in week 2 and 3 to hypogonadism levels the Swiss doctors a moron try 80 mg once a week
I was on TRT and stopped for a little bit when my balls shrank. I read online about HCG - I don't know why it isn't typically included with TRT because it counters a lot of the side effects of TRT. Also, you don't have to pay for the nurse to give you a shot - just get a prescription and do the IM injections yourself (Testosterone CYP is stored at room temp)
Thanks for the honesty in your video
Thank you for watching.
I went through this. I'm now 30mg every other day. And feeling much better I had to take an AI for a couple weeks till I leveled out. So now I'm at approximately 120mg every 7 days and feeling better then I was. I started HRT because of anxiety and low levels. Well see where it goes. I know being on anastrosole is not good long term, but I had no choice. They started you way too high man. 100mg every 10 days is where I started. I'm 6'4 240 pretty lean. It wasn't enough for me. Your body composition plays a part also. If your smaller you MIGHT need less. Everyone is different. 2 trucks role of the assembly line. They don't always make the same power or run the same with different gas. Genetics/lifestyle.
Thanks for responding. I went to new doctor and now I'm taking 100mg per week and breaking that up 3 times per the week.Been on it now for about month and everything seems fine so we shall see it goes
@@JonPaulChannel did u ever give natural herbs a try? Natural test boosters?
@@eddieagui1554 no I didn't for over all testosterone though I have in the past try different herbs for increased libido and didn't see any effects from that. As for shrinkage I never experienced that.
Please can you supply one. I have a back pain. Please if you can..
Hey man, you need to go to a neurosurgeon
Your doc was wrong about what test levels should be at your age. At the age oif 49 my total test was 820 and I had never taken any exogenous hormones.
can you point me where you get that information? I would love to take that in to my appointment
I 100% agree with your primary. You don’t need 150 mgs. 100 mgs a week is plenty. Split in twice a week injections. 50 mgs Monday morning and 50 mgs Thursday evening. Something like that.
Yes that is how I am doing it now and everything is working out great.
do you order 1000 syringes from eBay?
Hey Jon…..
Thanks for sharing your lab results, I’ve been on testosterone for several years and I’m seriously thinking about stopping myself,
I’m 55 years old I take 120 mg of cypinate
my testosterone is always been in the high 800s …. But my estradiol always high at 60%
And then my hematocrit is always high at 63%
But the only thing that really concerns me is my PSA, has been elevated gradually, and now I’m sitting at a 4.1 and now I have to discontinue my treatment until I see urologist, they said I might have BPH but it’s probably not cancer…
And I do regular phlebotomy every eight weeks to keep my blood levels down…
I’m thinking once my PSA comes down I’ll probably do twice a week injections so my numbers don’t spike before I totally get off of the treatments,
But my experience with testosterone has been wonderful. I had nothing bad to say about it it’s just my levels. I cannot get dialed in without something elevating, and when my PSA is elevated that makes the doctors nervous and I have to stop taking it until my PSA number go down…
But thank you for your story, I’m currently off testosterone it’s been a month now I feel like crap and moody, but I’ll probably get back on it once I do my 16 week lab check so I can get my levels back on baseline and then start up again
Thank you for sharing your story..
Thank you for you message. I’m curious does cancer run your family? Is that the reason for the doctor concern?
My grandfather had prostate cancer, but he died of colon cancer…
And my uncle had prostate cancer issues ..
Urologist said I don’t have prostate cancer, but my prostate is swollen, but it was ( Not )blocking my urethra,, but I do have urgency to urinate , but I’m not urinating at night….i only get up once a night at the same time each night @ 4 am ..
So I stop taking TRT for 2 months , and now my PSA IS 2.3 ng/dl.
I’m thinking I might wanna go on Scrotum Cream.. so everything won’t be so Elevated….
@@GMAJORTUNING1 best of luck ty you
I been on TRT a year now. Everyone is different. Have to find the right dose and frequency. My levels definitely got better after splitting 2x a week. Once a week definitely not good for most people. I do not take an AI. I have no issues with estrogen or any side effects. Get a doctor who monitors you blood work often. If done correctly you will feel amazing.
Thanks Mike. I have and am doing great now.
Thank you for sharing your experience
My pleasure!
There are others who start on half the dosage or spread the injections over a week to get to a Baseline and see what the blood work says over time and "tweak" it over months to get to their optimal target levels of not too much TRT or too low as well as keep Estrogen levels in check; so they're not on AI's which might cause joint pain down the road. This is all new and the clinics are helpful but not the Be All, End All and they're just trying to make $'s too ; so they just love going overboard w TRT dosages, AI's and HgH.
Yeah, it took me almost a year to tailor dosages for me
Thank you. I'm currently doing research myself and was looking for good contrary recommendations. I'm not sure I need to feel 20, but 30 wouldn't be too bad I don't think? They did warn me the check engine light was going to come on when I hit 50 🤷
Appreciate you posting your experience very very much.
Best of luck to you. As a lot people have mentioned to me. Finding a doctor that’s not stuck in dark ages is key yet very hard to do.
I take 40 mg of testosterone every day....that is 280 mg a week. Been doing that for 18 months. My Free test is 30 ng/dL and my total testosterone is over 1500 ng/dL. I feel good but not if I only take 30 mg a day. I plan to stay at this level for a long time unless things change. Im 56 yo. I would never trust a standard doctor for TRT....they dont know how to dose and they can just stop your prescription on a whim.
What a literal pain in the ass. I've been doin 500 a week 250 twice a week. No issues. I am coming off though.
@@devinreed5725 Coming off? Dude...unless you are like 25 yo, your test will crater unless your testicles are highly resilient...which they may be. At 500 mg a week, I am suprized you test level isnt 2000 to 2800 ng/dL
Wow, that’s pretty high levels. Be sure you’re getting regular labs to check for your RBC and Estrogen levels.
@@djquick My estradiol is around 27 which is not high. My blood is 52.9% red blood cells which isnt bad....but a bit above normal. My DHT is 113 and that is high so i need to take progesterone to prevent prostate problems but LOL; i went bald awhile ago even before TRT
Take more frequent shots to bring down estrogen side effects. Being at 900 is where you want to be. The whole point of therapy is to be at optimal levels. That’s why we go on therapy. I had to do daily shots to bring down my side effects. Numbers don’t mean anything. It’s how you are feeling. Some guys feel garbage at 800. Good doctors treat symptoms not numbers. Total T sometimes Dosent matter. Free T is more important number to look at.
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Correct. You need to do more frequent injections (every day, once every 2 days) to keep you oestrogen in check and not use AI. The old school of once every 2 weeks or once a week is really harmful. I recommend watch some videos about this specific topic on the channel: "More plates more dates". Good luck and take care Jon
@@babajaga8180 thank you I will do that for sure
I will for sure look into this. TY
100% agreed.
Well TRT is a complex process, you need a good doctor and you also have to educate yourself and do regularly blood work. I went from 150 mg / week down to 100 mg/week now. My labs are ok, in the upper normal area. Even with this little dose I feel a good pump and energy for training. I would take more If my RBC wouldn't get high, so I have to donate blood every time.
Also important can be the injection frequency, I do it at least twice a week with an insulin needle, no big deal.
Don't forget: 100 mg a week is a dose of a young, healthy athlete :-) So not a tiny amount as it sounds. Wish you the best!
thank you for the message and I agree with you it is complicated and it isn't a small dose. It is working for me and my body is adjusting well to it.
I am on Test Cypionate, How do you use an insulin needle? Are you on a different ester?
What was your free test number? That’s what matters
Does a regular blood test give you your free test number?
@@barneyrubble8255 Yes it does
150 spread over two shots per week ... Why not try that?
That's what iv been prescribed ... No one should be taking one shot a week
And 100,, if it's once a week, doesn't sound right either
Thanks. I'm breaking it up over the week now.
You are really fucking this up. Just take your 150mg 2x week or just continue as they are giving you. You just got to the point where you will notice the good stuff and if your numbers are what you said you will be fine. If you were really 200 to start you are going to go exactly back to there and feel like shit. Same as before.
I hope you can find a good solution for yourself and it's all a learning experience. I'm 53 and never been on TRT. That being said, my 40s were a pretty rough period for me, as far as having and keeping an erection. I've always been physically active so having the energy to do day to day things was not a problem. Looking back I would say the solution came down to 3 things.
- Nutrition, reduced alcohol consumption, being physically active. I was always physically active but my nutrition sucked and I was drinking almost every day. Now I drink only on weekends and cook at least 80% of my meals and these have definitely made a huge difference.
All of that plays a roll in it for sure. Another thing I'm seeing is what's working for one group may not work for others, but this improves everyone. I appreciate your message.
I learned while taking TRT that they say that it doesn’t cause high blood pressure, but it does and also it cannot actually cause blood clots as well
it can do that on hight dosages, but everybody is so unique and what's high for one can be ok for another. You have to adjust it for you
It can thicken blood, which can cause bloodclots and stroke.
You should try 125mg testosterone enanthate weekly via daily subcutaneous injections with an insulin syringe (27-29 gauge 1/2 inch).
You needed to anasterole as an estrogen blocker. And you should hedge with HCG.
I'm on it for two months now and I'm a bit spooked that my doc (the only one in my country) is ignoring my inquiry about adding HCG.
No need to do this unless you’re trying to have kids.
@@flynnoneill9153 Apparently for some guys it's needed to maintain libido, my cognition and physical stamina is much improved on TRT but my libido has plummeted. Other guys who experienced the same thing has a drastic improvement after adding HCG.
@@RedOakCrow interesting. I’d be curious as to the type of testosterone taken, amount, and frequency. Also what are your free test, shbg, and Estradiol numbers. Test should improve sex desire tremendously.
I take 200mg test cypionate once week along with 1mg anastrozole 3 times a week. Test level is 1200,estrogen level is 25. Been doing this for the last 10 years,56 years old.
Have you had any BP trouble?. I had to cut back to 1/2ml bi-weekly because my hematocrit greatly increased and raised my BP to stroke levels.
@@waynewallace2061 In my case it did raise BP. You have to get a script for blood donation. After you get your hematocrit and hemoglobin at a normal level, you probably looking at donating blood every 8 to 12 weeks or more. Everyone is different. I gave blood twice within 4 weeks to get numbers normal and went back after 12 weeks for level check and I was good. Going to check it again in 8 weeks or so.
Diim ,Anastrazol,Nolvadex,Letrozol, look the benefits out weigh the bad sides
I was on the injections for a while and tried using smaller needles but it was really difficult to get it in! I can’t imagine trying to push it through an insulin needle!
Putting the vial in warm water helps a lot. it takes longer but it's painless and that makes it worth it when doing multiple shots a week
i use a 27 gauge insulin pin its actually super easy
@@irunxboxlive916 I couldn’t draw it with a 25 gauge I had to get some 18 gauge to draw then screw the 25 on for injecting myself. Works good. I do it at 5 am before work so don’t want to sit there waiting for it to drip down forever when I have to get to work. I used to use those 28 and 30 gauge insulin pins for injecting fentanyl heroin coke meth etc. I did that since high school and now I’m on methadone. Probably why my test levels and blood cell count were so low in my 30s. Didn’t look after myself. I don’t mind needles I actually love poking myself with them because it’s addictive in itself when using those drugs intravenously.
You can, I do and its slow but worth it.
@@irunxboxlive916 same here..its the best..22 gauge was not doing it for me ..
Ok which testosterone ester did you use? Prolactin is released from the Pituitary gland, did you have an MRI of the brain? benign lesions can cause it.
Thanks for sharing, and good luck.
Thank you
Yeah but I didn’t hear anything about symptoms- were you feeling better or worse. Don’t look at levels look how you feel.
I took my T level from 298 ng/dl to 545 ng/dl with no shots, creams, or prescription medication whatsoever. I am 52 years old with one testicle and did this.
Wow,
How did you manage to achieve this?
I am low myself 300ng/DL, at age of 44,doctors said its good.
Lift weights, try to look after the diet as best as possible.
@@aelc4tdim858 Eating gluten-free and organic most of the time. Bottled water instead of tap. L-Tyrosine, Boron, Tongkat Ali. Blueberry banana smoothies. Steak, eggs. Stay away from dairy, sugar, and salt. I heard pine pollen and Fadogia Agrestis work also, but I have not tried them yet.
@@aelc4tdim858 I am thinking about trying the Pine Pollen and Fadogia Agrestis because Boron may not be safe in the long run. You might want to cycle it. I also read that your body can get used to Tongkat Ali, to where it may not affect you as well.
@@aelc4tdim858 All the lettered vitamins help. B6,B12 help also.
The half-life is 8 days. You should be taking a shot every 4 days. Why did your doctor tell you the drop from 150 to 140 wasn't enough when it actually lowered your testosterone to your desired level? 900 is a good number for your total testosterone. What you need to be worried about is your free testosterone. That determines how good you feel. If the clinic you went to didn't talk about your free number find another clinic. I guarantee your doctor doesn't know nearly enough about TRT. 99% of them don't. The estradiol problem will go away if you take your shots every 4 days.
I'm currently doing 3 shots a week, but it's only 100cc per week (doctors prescription). I go back in 3 weeks for the blood work. I feel as you that I need to increase the dose. We shall see what the test reveal.
@@JonPaulChannelUpdate?
I started trt last week. My test levels were 259. They gave me test cyp 150mg. I’m thinking that was too much. I’ve had a headache for 4 days and my bp went up. I’m thinking about stopping.
Your levels were about the same as mine and that was the dose they started me at as well. I didn't get the headaches but a lot of water weight gains. Everyone is different so I can't say if the does is to high but if your having negative results and it's from the shot I'd stop and go back in to discuss it with them.
I took my Testosterone level from 298 ng/dl to 545 ng/dl with no shots, creams, or prescription medication whatsoever.
I take TRT and Anastrozole 1mg once a week to offset the estrogen
thanks for the information.
Be careful. I’m switching to micro dosing with just test. Anastrozole can really damage your ticker, I used to feel chest discomfort the first 2 days after my shot. I hope the anastrozole is not mixed into your test and if it is get a new doctor
You shouldn't have to come in weekly for a shot. Those clinics are only doing that to charge you more money.
You are correct and that’s what I found out. I’m now doing the shots myself and it’s working out much better
You shouldn’t be taking it once a week first of all. Secondly, he can’t tell you your feelings you went in there because of decreased energy lack of motivation, lack of drive that doesn’t show up on a paper.
every day micro shots with insuline syringe will solve your problem, our body needs steadiness not one-two big shots and therefore peaks and downs you have to "imitate natural production of tst"...
A doctor is who you should have following you for this stuff
they are most certainly stuck in the past when it comes to TRT
You were on wayyy too much. That’s a steroid cycle..
60mgs per week broken up into 20 mon/wed/fri is perfect and ideal for most! Hope you feel better by now
Sorry bud. Your on for life now
well not true, you can get out if you take HCG along with T. Then you'll need to be on clomid for god knows how long till your naturally produced T numbers are back to being ok
You need a new doctor. I won't go into this, but you need to join a testosterone group. High estrogen is nothing to worry about. High testosterone is nothing to worry about. Your biggest tell tail that things are going good, is that you feel good. You are supposed to have high estrogen to balance your testosterone. You won't get man boobs at 140 mg or 200 mg; that's a bold-faced lie. You need to talk to a real doctor in an endocrinologist clinic. Talk to somebody that knows about this. You have made the wrong choice/decision. It's all in how you feel.
Thank you for the message. That’s is what I am learning. I’m waiting on my blood work to come back now and should know this week. From there we will see if I need to find another doctor to get me back on it with a prescription where I do it myself.
Did you ever check the reason why the prolactin was high? I mean to begin with it was slightly elevated but then it was way up.
I was told from the doctor that it was because of the 1 large dose each week I was getting from the clinic. With that 1 shot it would elevate then come back down. From my research on CZcams all the big channels say to break up the dosage through out the week. That is what I am doing now and will see if that is working when I get my blood work tested in a few weeks.
@@JonPaulChannel in some cases yeah that does it. I would think the Dr would want a scan to see if there is any pituitary gland issues, lots of guy find out that is the culprit of prolactin issues? Good luck brother.
We discussed that but he said he didn't fill that was an issue, but would monitor it and if he felt we needed to he would do it. Thank you for the information.
Never go to a Dr for trt always use a trt clinic. I hear more stores how it just didn't work out using a family dr. There's no reason you have to drive to a doctor an hour away once a week. A full grown adult should be able to inject themselves in the privacy of their own
Jon Paul, your doctors are clueless! Testosterone levels are declining every generation, fertility rates are plummeting. Doctors need to focus on what’s healthy, forget about normal because normal is changing over time. All you needed to do Jon was break up your shots, twice weekly or go for Jatenzo, which will lower your estrogen since the half-life is 6 hours. The majority of providers are clueless. This is a niche area of medicine few doctors truly understand. I’m on Jatenzo at 237 mg (new oral TRT) twice daily = lower HCT and HGB, lower estrogen compared to injections. You start therapy, adjust dosages in 7 days! I peak at 800-900 ng/dL at 2 hours, 12 hours later 300>. No swings, feel the same 24/7.
Thank you for message and I have started back on TRT and do break the shots up now and my body and mood feel great
You’re welcome. You should visit Excelmale, a men’s health forum. There is priceless information on everything in modern medicine there. Here you will learn stuff doctors don’t even know.
How will you maintain your testerterone .. what supplements willl you take to increase it
Zinc , vitamin d3, k2 , Ashwagandha , boron
Also in terms of trt clinics you should have gone to science an humans it’s on ig
Also I’m at that cross paths with testerone therapy ..
I’m at 500-540 ng
And free testerterone 94 pg/ml
Or 8 ng
Or
As I put at the end of the video I waited 6 weeks and went back to the Endocrinology doctor the clinic had sent me to. He rechecked my blood works and prescribed me TRT and I'm injecting myself now. We shall see how this goes as I'll be getting my blood work checked in a few weeks.
@@JonPaulChannel sounds good.. here in Canada it’s even worse! Less progressive worh trt.. family doctor sucks! She sees I’m in normal range an says she won’t do anything an fir me to see a natural path .. her exact words..
There are virtual clinics we have over the internet with trt I’m thinking
@@JonPaulChannelstill on TRT?
Your an articulate man but the lack of energy is all too apparent. You need more energy.
Lack of energy and drive was the main reason I started on TRT. It's also the reason I sought out a doctor after leaving the clinic. I'm not doing the shot myself breaking it up 3 times a week. Things are going a lot better now and I'm also trying to film and detail the results. Thanks for the message Scott.
thank you for this video man! so informative!
Thank you
Please get on trt and hormone optimization channel on youtube they also have a facebook page, you need to use one of their clinics because the professionals you are talking dont know squat! you are very uneducated as well in testosterone, you need to learn up and take control. i absolutely hate when these so called professionals give people bad information and protocols. just so you are aware, you can have gyno even if your estrogen is in the gutter it has to do with an imbalance of ALL hormones and you have to be genetically susceptible to it as well. please educate yourself we all have to when dealing with our own health. My doc is happy with my levels, i use compound cream 20% 50mg morning 50mg evening for a total of 100mg applied to scrotum i feel absolutely fantastic and all blood markers are perfect, my TT =1403, FT = 36, E2 = 59.
That channel is the best on the whole internet. I don't care what clinic you go to to get your stuff as long as they are willing to listen. I go to a cash only doc that is willing to go the extra mile with me and get me feeling right. He doesn't give 2 hoots about the fricken numbers as long as there are no negative sides and I'm feeling good. He took an oath to do no harm, and that's exactly what he's doing. Dr Gill on that channel is cutting edge and a trt genius
I took your advise and now starting to learn about this and agree that channel has A LOT of information I need.
Way too much ⚙️ lol. I think 350 is a great level at 39.
I got sick at about 350.
Sounds like your talking yourself out of trt. Easy to migrate sides. More frequent injections. And prolactin use p5p and get it imagined to make sure no tumor. But you listed pretty much all positives don’t get it. Also probably need to drop your dose
I waited the 6 weeks and tested again. I'm now doing the doses myself at home and doing 100mg a week broken up 3 times. Watched a lot more videos from ppl that know a lot than myself and taking all the advise I'm getting here. Thanks for the message.
High prolactin might be a prolactinoma.
im 50 and my total testosterone is 508, should i consider taking TRT? if so, what level should a try to achieve?
Definitely. Try to get 1500 if you can.
I'm 78 and my T levels are 900, perfect!
@@jeffinjersey9094on testosterone or not?
I’d say if you’re happy with your life keep it as is. If you’re experiencing low energy low sex drive lack of focus then consider it
If you increased sexual activity it would as well raise prolactin after ejaculation...
a doctor should look for free testo also, not only total.. total testo show the total amount in your bloodstream, free testo show what is bio available for the system (that your body can use) , i would advise you to find another doctor with good knowledge instead.. i doubt you would develop gyno from those numbers you presented..
Tonne it really doesn’t matter what I do I don’t feel super strong enough and I’m at 1458 or something pretty high right and just doesn’t do any for me anymore than be able to bench press a bit more and sex is nothing crazy good just might go off bc it’s really not helping except for my mood so idk im debating if I should stop and go do some deca or sust Bc this stuff for me is pretty weak my np is absolutely good so 🤷♀️
I wish I could give you some advice, but I don't know enough to do that. Most doctors as you know aren't up to to date with the information either and it's just luck if you do have one in your area that is. The More Plates more Dates guy has a testing clinic maybe check his channel out and get tested by his team?
@@JonPaulChannel I think he’s in England lol or something like that who knows where exactly!! I know it’s not easy to find a doctor at all judy go see a urologist!! Yes doctors don’t know anything about it 99 percent don’t know anything the ones who do are in the Olympic place that are there for that reason to be to help the elite athletes not the community or common person!! It’s all a great big fuk up !! Yeah that’s right! I also did my own research first!! It’s really hard to do it by yourself if you don’t know anything at all and which is why most guys end up like with a heart attack or heart transplant I knew of guy who had that happened to so yeah 😎 take it easy! Wish I had a guidance on the subject oh well !
@@JonPaulChannel plus the more plates guy must charge a rural dollar for his service and not ding that either so unless he wants whelp other w very good advice I know you tube but it’s ofc not the same as in
Personal! But anyway docmoccer os another world guy who knows his stuff but he’s too far for checking up w him so ! It much else to really do! Appreciate the effort but no help is how it is!!
Look at all the "experts" here.
I so want to start my own clinic... There are so many cowboys out there! Once weekly shots?? Really? Also.. 150 is too much 100 or less is good for 99% of people. Also at least every other day shots!
If I had my own clinic.. there would be one protocol! You don't like it and just want as much legal gear as you want??? Go elsewhere then!! My clinic...
Test propionate - every day 10-12mg per day..!
This is the gold standard.. the only standard for proper TRT.. if you don't like injections everyday tough shit..go elsewhere then!
It takes 2 mins to do a shot less time than it takes to clean your teeth and you do that twice a day!
The test prop every day at a weekly dose of 85mg (due to ester weight) is as close as you can get to your natural diurnal rise and fall of hormones on a daily basis! This is REPLACEMENT!
I have been to 3 clinics in the past and all stated me on a 1ml shot once a week of 200mg! Why? Because that's what they have always done! Let's do some math!
200/7 = 29.... -30% ester weight (Cypionate) Let's say roughly 20!!
So 20mg per day! The average health male produces 6-7mg test a day...
You see where this is going...nevem if there is some uptake reduction of say 20% although it's injected straitin to your muscle so doubtful! Bit even then it's that's still at best 2.5X natural at worst it's 3X!
I like math I'm an engineer!
But it would.lakensense to start people at 85 and then see and use a protocol like mine to.kitigate water retention, estrogenic effects, lower blood pressure and lower hematocrit...nall by easily lowering dose moving to propionate and injection late ever evening.. just when you body would naturatbe releasing it testosterone if you had any or much?
These clinics want your money... and that's it..most clinics are completely clueless! And sorry to say most "doctors" in this space are clueless also!
You are correct. The clinics are there for one thing and that's your money.
Funny because im a low estrogen guy and if i microdose especially in the first few weeks until the esthers built up my estradiol crashes itself, i know you said prop so its fast acting but 125mg in one go is the only route that works for me
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You stopped trt for a minute, you mean lol
I’m 39 just started TRT at a clinic and they wanted me to do two shots a week 100 mg every shot, after 2nd shot i started to feel like these people knew nothing and i knew more so i decided to go to a Doctor who just dropped me to 100mg a week twice a week. So tomorrow i take my 3rd TRT shot and i’m scared i might have so kind of drop off since we are cutting by 50% , not taking an AI as i want to see if i can control it myself
You’ll be fine, it will drop off and you’ll be fine. My testosterone was 42, estrogen
Get on Gonadorelin, big help
You'll be fine. I do 500 a week with no ai.
This is a great video to point out to not go to a cookie cutter clinic. Find a real hormone doctor. Elevated estrogen isnt even a problem unless you are having symptoms. He did no research. No due diligence.
They should of at least tried ya at 125mg per week. To drop ya 10 mg is stupid. Most of them have no clue. Its very difficult. Long road
It is a long road and very frustrating trying to find the correct doctor. Thanks for the message.
what do you mean you didnt know they werent "doctors"....you have to be your own doctor and do your own research...i dont think trt is for you...
wow thanks lol
150mg isnt high at all man. The issues your having is your doing a single dose. That's literally the worst way to do trt. A normal health dr, isn't a hormones dr. Find yourself a hornone dr, and speak to them. Im 38, and started trt in March, my free T was 10. I started trt on 200mg a week, divided between two shots a week. My free test (your overall doesn't matter, due to sbgh) was 30.9, and my estradiol was 76. My Dr bumped up my dose to 240 a week (because libido and energy still sucked), divided between 3 shots a week. My next lab results, my free T was mid 20's, and estradiol mid 30's. Your body will adapt and learn how to manage estrogen on its on. Your body needs time to learn everything new going on.
Highly recommend switching to a minimum of 2 shots a week. Also, you will not grow man boobs (gyno), unless your having high estrogen symptoms. If you notice your nipples are extremely sensitive or hurting, let your dr know, they will adjust your dose.
Even when my estradiol was mid 70s, I had zero estrogen symptoms. I switched to 3 days a week to help combat the estradiol. You need a healthy level of estrogen as man, it's extremely important. Guys want to bottom out their estrogen because they feel it's a female only hormone, it's not, we need estrogen as well. As far as the boys shrinking, mine have. Your balls shut down, because they dont need to produce test anymore, but who needs big balls anyways, lol. You wont have to worry about sitting on them as much 😉. Good luck on your journey.
Thank you for the message. I have got back on the program. Got a new doctor and I’m doing the injection myself. I am doing 3 injections a week. The issue I’m seeing now is the dose isn’t high enough I think. He proscribed me 100mg a week. Maybe I’m jumping the gun since it’s only been 2 1/2 weeks. It’s a learning process of works and doesn’t I’m seeing.
Thank you for the message. I have got back on the program. Got a new doctor and I’m doing the injection myself. I am doing 3 injections a week. The issue I’m seeing now is the dose isn’t high enough I think. He proscribed me 100mg a week. Maybe I’m jumping the gun since it’s only been 2 1/2 weeks. It’s a learning process of works and doesn’t I’m seeing.
@@JonPaulChannel awesome and, I hope this time around is better. I'd say your 💯 correct 100, is kinda a go to for regular doctors. They want to bump your test up slightly, but most of the time, it isn't enough to make you feel better. Most guys in groups I'm in feel the best on a minimum on 170. If you have a trt clinic near by, talk to them if you don't feel like the 100 is helping.
I recently cut back from 240mg, to 220, and talked to my Dr about trying 200 again, which was my original dose. Trt is a long journey amd takes a while to get dialed in, sometimes a year or more. You have to find out what makes you feel thr best, while keeping your blood markers healthy. I chose to lower myself, because my hemoglobin and hematocrit were both at the top of the range. I've chosen to donate blood twice to help lower it, but this isn't something that I'm willing to make a regular routine. I'll lower my dose and try to concentrate on keeping myself at a healthy level. If your dr has bot ran your PSA blood work for your prostate, I'd highly recommend getting it ran as well. To make sure your prostate is healthy enough for trt. Also, regardless of getting tested, get yourself a good over the counter prostate support supplement and take it.
Good luck on your journey man, take care.
@@JonPaulChannel forgot to mention, 2.5 weeks definitely isn't enough time. Give it 6 weeks minimum, your body has a lot of adjusting to figure out.
@@jimmycecil1287 TY Sir and best wishes to you and again thanks for the advice.
Everyone has different numbers. The main problem I see is all they’re looking at are the numbers. A good TRT clinic/doc will sit down and look you in the eyes and ask you how you feel. Your obviously a newby and a lot of doctors don’t even study there work and specialty in Testosterone. You need someone that talks to you and as well as looks at the numbers and can explain to you through experience how beneficial TRT really is. A 150mg dose is a therapeutic level and you even said you felt better. Now that your off your telling us your starting to feel the low drive and energy again. Go to a good TRT doctor. There are a lot of bad ones so choose wisely. Do more research: estrogen will increase but with time it will level out. Believe it or not estrogen is required for all humans
Thank you for the message. I have found another doctor and trying to learn what I can as quickly as I can. I'm injecting myself now and breaking it up over the week. The doctor has started me out at 100cc per week which has improved my mood and energy but it's not back to where I feel I was. I go back in 3 weeks and will explain this to him. He does ask questions so we will see if he listens. Thanks for the advise I appreciate it.
@@JonPaulChannel Hopefully, your doctor has you on 100 *mg* per week and not 100 cc!
@@jtslaptop it is 100cc or 1ml per week. my prescription bottle is a 100mg
You need to educate yourself.
100% agree that’s what I said an will do over this 7 weeks before I go back in
Sir please give me a steroid. I have back pain. Please could you supply me a steroid. Please
Ever try fentanyl?
1st mistake..going to a 'clinic' & not a doctor. They should've did it gradually from the beginning but you live & learn.
Yep learning is part of living.
you produce test daily in a pulse matter. injecting once a week is kinda stupid. doesnt mimic natural physiology.
estrogen is KEY. your estrogen was almost on the lower end, while your T was on the higher end. with high T you want high e2.
having through levels at 800 is perfectly fine. but its just a number. once you have been on TRT for awhile, you know to NEVER go off numbers, you off how you feel. some feel good on 800, some 600, some 1200, some 1500. its all individual. you need to experiment and dial in. every 6 weeks you tweak dose, either up or down and you note down how you feel.
if prolactin is super high, screen for prolactinoma.
do not fear e2.... if wont cause any gyno (man boobs) if you do trt correctly. there is allways gonna be higher risk for side effects when you blast your system once a week. same goes for hairloss etc. split the dose up = less side effects
Do the shots urself, use insulin pins. painless.
there is a good change u wont go "back to normal" after being on trt. u will return to ur 200 total t which is just as much as a 80 year old man. great!
do your own research dont rely on doctors, most of them are not up to date.
my 2 cents. take it with a grain of salt! wish u all well. left a sub, hoping to see some updates brother! :)
Thanks for educated response I appreciate that a lot
@@JonPaulChannel 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
150 is considering a large dose😂😂😂
I’m
About to stop 4th shot and my head is hurting like fuck