15kW Vortex turbine with more technical details
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- In this video we want to show the 15kW vortex turbine of Donihue, Chile, with more details. This turbine is operating with a head of 1.7m and a flow of 1.8m3/s. In the outflow you will see that there's head left. That's because our customer wants to expand to 2 turbines in series in the future (modular components allow him to do that). As you can see the turbine is covered with a grid to keep larger debris and children from falling into the turbine. There's also a trash rack in front of the inlet that keeps all debris with a diameter above 10cm out of the turbine basin. The core of this unit was assembled in our factory and then transported in one piece to the installation site. Over there it was a matter of lowering the turbine into the concrete outflow pit and connecting all electrical wires. No expertise required at that point. The concrete structures were build in advance in about 3 weeks as this was our first turbine. We are currently working on a prefabricated design that should be installed in under a week.
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I wish I had a river flowing next to my house.
@spikedpsycho Are you serious about that?
With all the diarrhea the Democrats are generating you should have a river running by your house by now
You can make one, just flood your neighborhood, there's got to be a dam nearby that you can "help" explode.
How about magnetic RIVER.
It doesn't have to be a river it could also be a canal
Great progress. Can't wait for this to actually be used in every corner of this world
it was made in the 30s by victor schauberger. it has not been used due to dam hydro 's media influence
Please let me know about whether is it available in India? What is the total expenses to install small unit in India?
I know lots of places where there simply isn't the amount of water flow and elevation change to make this viable. Such solutions will always be small scale unless you take a large area in between two mountains and create artificial basins.
The design appears to be quite efficient though as the theoretical maximum power generation of dropping 1800 kgs of water per second down from a height of 1.7 meters, is about 30kW. Getting 15 kW from it is pretty decent!
However, compare this to modern hydroelectric dams that reach up to 90% efficiency and you see another reason why these localized solutions may not be optimal.
The next great thing power companies want to suppress
Agreed well done team, have you thought of a multi 3 way generator design with 2 feed design, the flow may drop a few mps but the combine should off set action all producttion cost and allow 60kw designs
3am and I’m watching a video selling a commercial hydropower vortex
12:01
perfect for in my backyard
And I don't have a running waterway nearby.
@@ksbalajibalaji just do what i did, and break the waterpipe that was meant to go to your neighbours house and redirect it back to your backyard.
Now you have a waterway nearby !
spiral power.
One of the most genuine and solid invention I've ever seen.
Great to see more videos from Turbulent-thanks and keep it up! Many people think about the $/Mwh problem of on-site generation, but bringing electricity to an area, period, is impressive and worth discussing.
AWESOME!!! I think you considered all the negative comments from the last video and showed those people a thing or two!!! You rock!!!!
Totally agree with you're comment .
bcstractor there's a follow-up video.....it's all shown there. Watch it.
Company never replies nor do they publish real figures. I haev tried now for 4 months and not once have they answered. It maybe some sort of scam as the same vortex design is already used else where.
Ken Hart well first of all I've read numerous replies from the company so you're wrong. Second of all watch the follow up video where they give you the output numbers. And third: I'm not sure of this but I doubt the vortex is patentable. Why are so many people against cheap clean energy? Humans have raped mother earth for long enough. This is an idea whose time has come. Good day.
@bcstractor did you see the -14.8 kW shown on the meter?
This is so amazing to see! If I'd see crowdfund raising starting here in Holland and the price per person would be okay, for sure I would support this. This is a solution the world needs! Wind turbines don't always work so well in this country, but water always flows!
For years i thought Why river flow has not been utilised for electricity production, Finally a wonderful product. I imagine hundreds of them can be installed on every river. Amazing every local authority should be contacted. I hope you have a good sales person as this system has unlimited potential !!!
You need your city’s permission to utilize any rivers that run through your property like that. This would not be allowed in 90% of the u.s.
There are good reasons for that though. You could do severe damage to lakes or ponds downstream that rely on the river that runs through your property, or you could devastate wildlife
It is great to see this venture progressing. I love how simple it.
This would completely ruin the eco system.
There are reasons why putting up hydroelectric plants require massive ecological surveys, and most "unexpoited" waterways are now vital for all the things that migrate up & down rivers, offering new breeding grounds or even bypass some dams.
@@HeaanLasai With this idea you could make an alternate course of water dedicated to energy and leave the original for the animals, no harm done
@@LimpiezasMyG Nope because it's actually quite shit hahaha. Hydro dams are MASSIVELY more efficient and you'd need to build a metric ton of those things to match one dam. There's a reason why this exists since decades yet there's no one using them.
@@dzello my dude, who said this is supposed to match the power output of a dam?
OF COURSE something that can be installed by a hand-operated crane isnt gonna be as powerful/efficient as some of the most enormous structures built by man for the same purpose.
That's not what it's trying to do. It's supposed to be local power production for rural areas. Its meant for self-sufficiency not feeding the entire eastern seabord.
@@Timeward76 I dont think you understood. Its shit at that. Its just shit overall. Its expensive AND unefficient AND has a low output.
Hence why its not adopted anywhere... Theres multiple better options than this in every single aspect. Its just bad.
The hydropower work your team doing is inspiring. Thanks for your commitment my friends...
Awesome work. Functional and beautiful to watch.
Design idea: try smoothing out the inner wall, where the water first starts to turn clockwise. Looks like you create some unnecessary turbulence on the inner wall, which probably reduces the available energy a few percent. Very awesome project!
Doesnt the entire premise of a vortex creating Inlet cause air to suck into the turbine thereby lowering power output?
@@TheBelrick Yes, if this were a closed siphon system completely submerged then the design would have much greater output, but that would be a highly engineered and specialized design that would not be feasible in most instances, and certainly not here.
Jason Voss suggestion stands: reducing drag is a must not only to increase velocity, but to reduce the erosion on the concrete that would cause damage over time.
Friction losses between fluid and surface interface seem trivial at these velocities. Could always install (or retrofit) a hydrophobic polymer lining/coating if desired.
The concrete is not going to erode away, lol, it's basically made from the same idea and same materials as a toilet, it'll last just as long.
These "microturbines" are horrific at destroying the water-based eco system.
Disrupting migration patterns, grinding up fish, frog & flightless bird hatchlings.
But your point about friction is rather valid. At large dams, you intentionally create a turbulent boundry layer using the concrete's texture. But at a smaller dam, you can't over-engineer the concrete, for cost reasons. So a slippery surface could be advantageous.
@@HeaanLasai is it as simple as laying CHEAPO ceramic tiles? how much would the water velocity increase?
I'll admit I had my doubts watching the first video, but the numbers all check out and I'm excited to see something like this being developed. Hope you're able to make this financially viable, or if it's already there that you're able to keep making it.
So show us the numbers, or are you a sales guy for this outfit?
@BartBart22
I agree, they should've shown it.
that´s what we wanted to see
Nice to see it finally get a cover.
Yes, some times I feel proud of the technology and its perseverance.
I see improvements, good job!
Finally., i found something to study more., thanks., I really want this in my village,
I live in Louisiana. Southern Louisiana. It's pretty flat and wet here as well. This looks like a brilliant product and idea. I would love to see a series of these installed at the Three Rivers Control structure to use the overflow being shunted into the Atchafalaya Basin. With the Mississippi always above ground level between the levies, it would be easy to shunt a bit here and there for power and the silt would help some of the farmlands if they allow their land to flood every twenty years or so. That's one of the main reasons the River is so muddy and fast today; we have kept it from redirecting itself for over a hundred years now and it is way overdue.
Good work hope this becomes something we see worldwide
Great work guys. Congratulations from India. All the best for your future success. 👌👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏🤝🤝🤝
**=** Good job, that look like a mini Hydro-Québec!
When individuals get exited about producing clean energy and get pride while they do so then I think that humanity has hope.
ENTP
@@andrert2178 I rather have ENTPs than just tools waiting for a boss to react with a deadline. Sometimes the world we want is not the world society gives. These individuals search for it even if they fail. They become the oracle and inspiration for companies, schools, universities and engineering/architectural institution scholars and experts.
Individuals should fight for a better world instead of expecting institutions fight for them. That's how progress happens.
@@kummer45 yes
at the very least, the world is getting better with this kind of tech
"climate change" is *NOT* carbon based.
change my mind..
@@mentilly_all Dude, just use a simple Google search.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas, meaning it has a high specific heat capacity. Basically, it means that it is harder to heat up, but also harder to cool down; in other words, it can re-radiate more heat than non-greenhouse gases.
The sun's radiation provides the energy for the CO2 to energize up and convert the energy to heat.
The reason why non-greenhouse gases don't have that issue is because they don't have the capacity to store all the energy from the sun, basically just letting it through; the heat that it DOES re-radiate is miniscule compared to greenhouse gases.
I agree, CO2 isn't the direct reason of global warming, however one must be quite dense and isolated in order to blatantly deny the role of CO2 in global warming.
Absolutely love the idea I use wind on my projects but I am looking into making a hydro one keep up the good work
Its an awesome technology and very important for countries like ours, Nepal.
Dude that's so awesome. It is nice to see real innovation happening in Chile. Saludos desde talca!
What a clever little system, it reminds me of small river factories here in Italy building dams along the rivers for their own source of electricity. Hydroelectric power has always been the most reliable out of the three most popular renewable energy sources with most of the damage coming from destructive landscaping either to create the dam or as a consequence of it existing, this one though seems small enough to barely cause any of these issues (as long as it's not increased too much in size or takes too much of the river water).
I sent this video to my friends. So cool!
That beautiful swirl just looks like free money to me.
Me too!!!! from India
These things should be mass produced and installed wherever possible
They aren't because power companies would lose their monopoly on the situation and the lined pockets of the government wouldn't like that too much.
Paul griffith At that level i bet it wouldn’t be as much about greed as it is control. If even a million ppl were suddenly completely free of need to spend 30% of their lives working to pay for energy. And in its place had large amounts of free energy they could build and invent and produce with. There would be very few areas of the economy that could be controlled or regulated in any way. A government or ruling class couldn’t control supply and demand of anything, and society would outgrow there ability to try very quickly. It’s the kind of thing the royals and communists spent the last few millennia scheming to stay on top of.
@@Mr.P.Griffith It's already happening in the UK. Anyone can produce their own electricity. Furthermore, if you produce more than you use, the power company has to buy your excess supply. Local power production actually helps the power grid remain stable instead of constantly needing bigger cables to distribute growing energy demands.
No the elites would rather have u slaving for gas than having free energu
This is nothing new, the country is Chile, in the past farmers had their own turbines to operate the machinery even a small electric railroad until the government banned them
Outstanding job guys. Solving the problems thru actions. Great.
Love this good design so much !
Ingeniería Chilena!!! bravo muchachos!!!!
Y Belgica y India, y Venezuelana. Multicultural team :)
I enjoyed working on this idea 30 years ago at Cambridge University, ours was designed to be very low cost so concrete was out and our rotor was based on an old truck axle.
whats cheaper than concrete
C'est excellent et ça change des alternatives conventionnelles, avec un rendement prouvé ce type d'alternative à largement sa place dans le domaine hydroélectrique
Ce type de projet doit être encouragé !
Bravo
Fantastic!
I'm very curious why the generator isn't placed above the turbine. That would eliminate the extra cost of sealing it against the water and improve ease of servicing / generator replacement.
James Newton we would have to seal it anyway because the turbines are build in flood prone areas. Might be its easier to install them in an IP67 enclosure on the top but this design is also easier to ship and install. No alignment needed on site.
I had the same thought.
good idea sirrrr
James Newton water cooling of course
I suspect another advantage of putting the generator below the turbine is that it probably helps with noise abatement.
Muito interessante! Parabéns pelo trabalho! Abraço do Brasil!
Great idea for reusing the water to produce the electricity. It's very helpful to reduce the utilities cost👍♥️
So simple and elegant. Beautiful
It's like a fun ride for the *fish :-)*
Great implementation of sacred geometry into the design.
golden spiral seems to work. More flow
Great stuff
What a beautiful design, kudos to you!
Damn, I'm seeing this 10 years too late!! Had a strong water stream like this one on my property (in a mountainous area of the Eastern Cape, South Africa) which ran non-stop throughout the year, droughts notwithstanding, with a 3m waterfall about 20m from where I had a weir. Did have a fully functional Stewarts and Lloyds hydram pump, and thought about a way to generate electricity, though the house was some 500m away. Sold it in the meantime, but its still there.
Great job!!
Thanks!
Awesome folks!
Great video.
My dream turbine ..
Plz send me price
Incrível! Tomara que chegue ao Brasil. Abraço
Meio difícil, hein?!
e se chegar vc nao pode colocar, rio/ribeirão é tudo APP, dá multa altíssima se vc construir perto.
Very nice!
Very inspiring, this is true engineering!
Considering how dams are quite detrimental to the environment, decentralised hydropower is a good alternative.
they are quite detrimental to the environment but on a fairly limited scope. decentralised will be less detrimental but on a much wider scope. I don't know what is best.
Nice flat mountains bro.
retepaskab Yo momma bro! :D
This looks really cool, hope it works like you design it to!
Cool idea
the tech is already in use of every hydro projects, however its small in size that fits in small cannels..................
best collection 2018 the trick is to make it small and keep it profitable
@@TurbulentHydro boss how about having a artificial pool of water and Creating same function to produce energy to those who can afford..
@@thomasranjit7781 not worth the effort or cost
A head of 1.7m and a flow of 1.8m3/s implies a power of 30kW from the GPE, so this is 50% efficiency - nice!
When compared to dams that are easily >80% efficient it suddenly is not so nice anymore.
This design is actually many centuries old and not used specifically for its many downsides.
it may not seems like a lot... but for a lowhead it is awesome
I think it is mainly because they waste good half of meter of head. Then it would have efficiency of 71 %
MrToradragon and massive amounts of friction from the quickly moving water against the rough walls. I wonder how well it would do with a rectangular bay and not sucking air.
Matěj Sojka Sorry, but not sure where you are from, but it is pretty NOT good for anywhere...
I know nothing about turbines, but this setup is truly beautiful!
Great job!
thanks for posting. some thoughts. (kaplan) at :16, water hitting the curved structure is Definitely turbulent. suggest the transition zone be made 'smoother'. i do not see 1.7 meters of water above the turbine rotor. if there is, the stated numbers indicate 30 kw of potential energy is available. so, 50% overall efficiency. but, it is 15 kw they didn't have Before. cheers
The turbine is 1.7 m under the feeding channel? By the time the water hits the turbine it has mainly kinetic energy.
There is probably more pressure at the outside of the vortex, but there is enough water, it's compact and it likely eats dirt.
no. at :27, the rotor is just below the lower surface of the circular area. at the end of the day, 50% is pretty lackluster efficiency. the biggest selling points of this design are its ease of installation and low-maintenance. one reason efficiency is so low is because this design does Not make Maximum use of All the Available head. in terms of efficiency, causing water to swirl down a drain is a poor substitute for Maximum utilization of the Available Head. cheers
You're forgetting that the rotor also has an additional head difference.
And good of you to notice. The inlet does create too much turbulence. Seems our civil works contractor didn't yet fully understand. We're making a modification for this at the moment and it will be included in all future models.
nope. nada. "You're forgetting that the rotor also has an additional head difference." What the HECK does that mean, th. nevermind. YOU can pick any point that you prefer on the rotor, and measure to the surface of the water. either it's 1.7 meters or it isn't. cheers
Does anyone know what the price range of this is?
Abs Yusuf about $800-$1600 per kw of power you want
extrem extrodenary work and output !! thumbs up !
Lucky home owner. Free energy. Safe from blackouts. Really cool.
15kW wow, I never realised that hydro generated so much!!
15 kW is a great result, but the efficiency of such a power plant is just about 50%...
Yet another day in why is it in my recommendations...
But was it wrong?
I usually expect these recommendations to be new videos. Checked the date and I'm just like "Okay..." Guess at least it fits with stuff I subscribe to though.
Are you subbed to Quint BUILDs? Guess that's why it was in my recommendations.
@@moos5221 omg exactly what happened with me. The rain gutter hydro power video was recommended to me so I watched all 4 parts and now I'm here. lol
Absolutely brilliant well done.
good Work !!!
the vortex on this one doesn't look so smooth, it's a bit of violent. But still a great job!
MaximumEfficiency compare it with the waterfall there was before and it will look OK :)
yes! Probably some more room to increase output!
@@TurbulentHydro Can you create a model with a capacity of 1 megawatts for installation at the output of the water channel behind the dam?
That’s me when I finally move south and get a property with a creek flowing through it
15kW is very nice. depending where it is used, it really aids the grid.
nice setup.
Beautiful
What is the approx cost of installing a 15kW unit? (Landscaping + concrete + turbine + control unit)
$$$
if u know price for this ...u die 😂😂
How does it handle the underwater wildlife? And do you bypass the rivers or do you need a damm? Because here in germany they started subsidize waterpower, but it is an enviromental disaster. 3 percent of thousants of waterpowerstations producing 90 percent of the energy while thousands of small stations just blocking the rivers for any fish. Regards from Germany.
A simple device to block fish and so forth from going into it would be smart. So I imagine they have a grate on the input.
I think there was another video showing that it is safe for fish to enter it...cuse of the mechanism blades are not sharp and if fish enters the just exit safe on the on the other side...
@@vladanberisavljevic3326 I have seen a system in Switzerland like that. The blades were larger, but allowed 'compartments' where fish and debris could pass through safely
@@johnstark4723 The turbine blades are designed to deflect fish and allow them to pass back to the river. But a grating at the intake from the river to the channel seem to be a good idea.
@@fwcolb i am not sure but i think the fish would get stuck on the grating because they would get sucked in on the grate due to the flow and not be able to move. You would need grating and bypassing further back in the stream.
¡Increíble! Les deseo un futuro próspero, con esta maravilla que de seguro cambiará al mundo. Me encantaría ver uno de estos en cada hogar del mundo. Saludos desde Uruguay.
That's very cool!
What is the price for the unit and overall cost of the project? At least approximately?
According to their website, the costs are around $2500 EURO per KW, but can be cheaper for higher KW systems. With 15 KW being their base model, this comes to $37500 EUR, or just under $42k USD. Their prices don't include installation costs though since that's done by local contractors. Regardless, this would seem to be very cost competitive with solar power.
@Turbulent Hydro,
Have you noticed the hydraulic jump that occurs as the incoming water channel is squeezed just before it enters the round chamber?
A minor adjustment to your inlet geometry will eliminate this hydraulic jump.
(or is it intentional)
Allan.Froehlich ion kno
The whole thing is turbulent... they even called it turbulent... it would have been better to name it inefficient washing machine...they need to close the system and also use a draft tube, so much loss
Hi Allan, thanks for pointing that out. We did notice but it was made this way to be easy to construct. All in all it only means a head loss of 3cm. In future we might optimize it further
Albator Sodoku the idea is not to make it absolutely optimized. The idea is to make it easy to install and survivable to fish. Of course we know about draft tubes and closed pressure chambers. That's not the idea here. Try to keep up
Geert Slachmuylders Sorry but there is units that are already that easy to install... that do not harm fish and that are very efficient... again being environmentally responsible is being efficient! As I pointed out before the same unit was tested in the 80's and was called the toilet (seriously) efficiency was at close to 70%. I still have the drawings of it. How much is the 15kw unit like we see in the back of the pickup truck? I mean many turbines fit in the back of a pickup... I've seen 1500kw Pelton and Francis turbines in the back of a pickup truck... What is your goal??? This unit will never reach high efficiency... many manufacturers (old and well known) make packages... complete, bolts, wires, panels, tools and how to put it all up together and run for 100,000hrs before having to replace a bearing. I'm not against new technology, just against people wasting others time, because they haven't calculated before putting something together...This unit as it is today does not belong anywhere than in the backyard of somebody with no knowledge whatsoever of hydrology and wants to waste time and money and regret in a very short period of time what they did. I know this is negative, but I mean I don't see anything positive about it.
Very good project!!
Great idea
be sure to credit victor schauberger who developed this tech in the 30s
cool, where is his turbine? These things should last for 100 years ;)
It actually is a lot older - but there is a reason why they are not in use:
Compared to other solutions they are inefficient and cost a lot while needing more maintenance.
But we are in the 21st century remember?
I think Henry Ford had built serval water mills, using a grav drop instead of current flow for similar reasons
But at what cost?
(I'm seriously curious)
we need a response for this
"Everything." -Thanos
@@ryanchristofano8487 lol
price range between €80.000 and €300.000
@@tristanXhiruma That's very cheap, that's like power bill for next 488 years in Serbia.
holy shit 15kw that is A LOT of power man!
Love this!
15kwh ?! Thats quite large enough to charge a tesla powerwall and power a home at the same time :D
Not kwh. Just kW
@@pary8245 if you say it kW you're merely stating its capacity , where as in kWh , your stating how much killowatts its generating per hour.
@@JoshuaG Yes, but you don't give a power output in capacity.
F.e. A battery might have the energy content of 50kWh but a peak output of 150kW (achievable only for a few minutes or even seconds).
This turbine should almost always give you 15kW so using 15kWh is meaningless.
If instead you said in a 24hr period it produces 360kWh to compare it to a home that uses 20kWh in a day - that would make sense.
@@FutureChaosTV oh , well i guess that makes much more sense :/
@@JoshuaG Watts (or kilo Watts which just means 1000 Watts) is the unit of Power.
Joule (or kilo Watt hours) is the unit for Energy.
Capacitance is a completely different item and its unit is Farad.
How much it cost?
Assuming that the site is 100% suitable , what is the total cost of the 15kw installation please.. Also, is this type of installation suitable for feeding excess power back into the grid..?
It's not about feeding back to power grid, it is to provide a decentralize power grid to many locations with lack of power.
Like in Vietnam, many areas with lots of water flow, but the cost of maintenance a powerline over would make it costs too much in the first place. So many of those locations always have lack of power and often rely on batteries and power generator.
Not to mention a strong wind would cause the powerline to cut off and took long time to fix, this will help remedy the situation.
Decentralized power? Lol
@Semper Fi Yes, that is an ideal state, but how big is a grid are we talking is the question. Is the grid nation-wide? Or County-wide?
Like I said, many areas in the world, the grid is just as small as a town in middle of nowhere and it would be so expensive and cost lots of money to maintenance to hook up to the grid like county-wide.
@Semper Fi In lots of Sim-City game, a map with few big islands and lots of small islands. What is the cheapest way to provide electricity to them?
The answer is locally, to build a grid would require high transmission wire connect all the big islands together, then connect small islands together.
Rather, have each island with their own mini-grid, either wind, solar or tidal. It is much cheaper to build and to maintenance. The big islands can have a grid if they are close enough, but there is no need most of the time if they can provide enough electricity for themselves.
That whirlpool about the turbine looks plain epic
Totally awesome
1.8 m³/ sec on 1.7 meters is about 30 018 Watt. So the machine has a efficiency of about 50% . This is not top for a watermill.
But it looks very cheap
@@among-us-99999 But it is not that cheap...
I’ll say it’s seems pretty compact. You can bring this to a more rural area and install it.
1:37
The Turbine uses only half of the elevation, the rest is just wasted energy. In future a second turbine is planned so that this will be used too.
Maximum efficiency isn't always paramount for regenerative energy. It is the the TCO (total cost of ownership) and the (hopefully) the lowest environmental impact that are important. If you let the river flow like it would do in nature the energy would be wasted anyway. You just take of a little bit and don't care how much is wasted. Efficiency is of importance when your energy production is limited by the available natural resource (here water).
Колодец нужно выкопать с самоизливом ,тогда уж наверняка заработает
great idea
What a great piece of engineering..!!!
Me: having my lunch and watching dumb react videos.
CZcams: Here's a video of a mini water turbine generator thing.
i saw golden ratio pattern here :D
Awesome! Here is the answer to many of our questions!
This is called perfection! I'm in love with it
The project like this step by step is described on the Avasva website and many more plans you can find on that website.
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cool ... watching this because I guess the algorithms wouldn't have recommended it to me just for no reason
Creators! Great mini power stations! save earth! Nice work!
Brilliant!