Turbulent Is Ready to Change the World!
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- After 2 years of engineering and build iterations the team of Turbulent has finished its first 15kW low-head hydropower turbine. This is a scalable technology that can be installed at any kind of water fall, rapid, or water control structure in rivers and canals. By basing this turbine on the principle of a whirlpool, it is both fish friendly and can let debris pass through.
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Amazing how we suddenly have so many views and comments! And thank you for all of the advice!
I just want to clarify a few things I saw asked in the comments:
- We shot this footage during commissioning. When installing a hydropower turbine you first test it for a while at half the nominal flow. That's what you see passing through this turbine. It doesn't look very stable yet, as it needs additional flow for the vortex to stabilize itself (Think about how you get that sucking sound at the last few liters running from your bath tub). Full flow of this turbine is 1.8m3/s with a height difference of 1.7m. That gives 15kW of useful electric power with our efficiency of 50%.
- When we were finished shooting the video, we put back the trash rack (with a spacing between the bars of 10cm as that is the maximum debris size that can pass through) and the mesh that covers the whole basin. No children, dogs, pirates,... can fall in.
-60 homes can be powered in Chile with an average household power demand of 0.25 kW. The average in many European countries is 0.5 kW. The average in American homes could well be a few MW if the comments are to go by :P
-Yes, waterwheels have been done before, and turbines as well. We don't claim to have invented hydropower. We claim, however, that we have made this size of hydropower an interesting investment with a lower cost and a higher efficiency. Our hope is to offer a clean, eco-friendly alternative for investors, land owners, industries etc to generate power from the rivers that they have running in their neighborhood. As one of the co-founders, I can tell you that I enjoy nature, and that I want my kids growing up learning about and seeing technologies that try to work in harmony with it.
- Some rivers meander too much for our technology. These rivers aren't suitable. We know about this, thank you for mentioning it.
-We're not related to any kickstarter or crowdfund campaign. I made the video in my spare time as a hobby and I'm honestly a bit surprised that it became so popular. What I was hoping for, was to meet like minded people who want to help make our vision a reality. Affordable electrification for all without harming nature. A lot of people here have been really nice, with lots of helpful advice. Thank you for that! I believe we, as a society, can achieve anything if we just work together.
- Any good scientific peer review should scrutinize the numbers. I'm busy making a new video with full flow footage and footage of our inverter power readout. Please tell me what you'd like to see in there and I'll try and arrange it :)
- Last but not least: we're still in the testing phase. Currently we're checking all the systems and we're making sure this turbine can do what it promises. It seems to be holding up well against erosion and debris. We had some power cable heating, but got it solved. We will also be conducting fish friendliness tests. The whole design was based on the fish friendly design parameters of the Alden turbine Labs. We will validate those numbers. This model is now being worked on and we will be ready by July 2018 with our testing phase. When all of that is done, we will be ready to start helping people everywhere to develop their very own hydropower turbine and build their future!
Thank you for your attention, stay tuned for more updates! - Věda a technologie
Mom dad look! A water slide! NO TIMMY DONT!
Robbaz slacker. Get to work on from the depths. Lol just kidding. I don’t care that your slacking. Also I’m guessing this got recommended for you as well?
???? you here??
Hej! :D
i read that out in your voice
use the forbidden water slide
Fish come out the other end screaming "WHOOAAAH ...WHAT A RUSH !"
Or "That was awesome, let´s do that again!" and after few tries, they will jam it soo hard it will stop working.
Is it safe for them. The water inlet should be small that wont allow things other than water flow
Yea there could be a PVC mesh at the Canal Inlet, where only Water enters.
The mesh can be optimized for optimum flow.
Anyways, a great product and many many turbines can be placed one after the other all along the canal for more output.
Should be all the rave for salmon.
@@travellerquotes9076 if the inlet stopped the fish, i'm wondering if the fish would get stuck on the inlet. just like a tennis ball would get stuck to your home vacuum.
This will look good next to my Solar Roadway (tm) and my Hyperloop (c) station.
Haha! I don't think most of the commenters here get the reference.
@@theephemeralglade1935 i think i get it
LMAO
@@DecadantHandshake not a scam, a fantastic idea that doesn't work out due to just overzealousness. Most communities won't opt to put these in for every 60 homes all along the rivers they're built around. It also obviously only works if you have a river. Solar roadways didn't work out, and the sun is everywhere... this will see limited use most likely.
You forgot Fontus water bottles too
1:51 "Cast on site by unskilled workers", not sure if typo or demonstrating the simplicity of the design.
It's obviously supposed to be a latter, but sounds more like a an insult :D
@@lrbarter your comment made my entire week. thank you
@bull shiyot no. not even a little bit
@@lrbarter "we threw the most incapable workers we could find at the project - and it still worked out just fine"
@bull shiyot how did you connected this with racism
The farm estate near me has had one of these for quite a few years except the turbine is upright, rather than on it's side like in this design. It's very impressive and generates a lot of electricity when the river is high. Only problem is that they needed a government grant to afford to install it. A dog got sucked through it on one of the shoots but he was absolutely fine.
That last sentence was a rollercoaster haha. Glad he's okay.
@@GBloxers Lol he actually looked like he'd enjoyed the experience
"Absolutely fine."
Ohhhh...that's just the sort of caper my dog would get up to, and then jump back in for another go.
omg I honestly was afraid for the doggo, I'm glad he's fine
i love how theres 0 guard rails and your ass can fall right into that thing lmao
True, needs a wire mesh around the top (maybe they removed it for the promo?)
Makes you wanna dump a 50 pound bag of cornstarch in there and see what happens.
@@korkee1111 oh god
Kristopher Hall also what if a tree branch gets dragged down the river into it, wire mesh on the sides, though that gets rid of the whole fish friendly thing. :(
just put some mesh over the top of it headass
It's not for somewhere like Chicago, but does seem like the answer for smaller towns.
The big step in 21st century will be to build up an efficient and intelligent infrastructure and storage sytem. I'm curious how gigantic companies who are offering limited ressources like oil will change their strategy and how they will make us pay for generating our own power in our backyard by wind and sun or river turbines in local cooperatives. The costs could be as low as only using infrastructure.
That is what I was thinking!
The Windy City? Oh we got a plan for that.
@@hurtigheinz3790 this is why we gotta stop giving away billions in subsidies to dirty energy and invest in renewables. The big dirty donors need to become irrelevant.
@@BenFrankarts We just need guarenteed compenstion for every kW/h being put into the grid. With this security everyone would start building his own "power plant". About ~15 years ago there a high and guarenteed compensation here in Germany.
2 years ago: this will change the world
since: ...
The oligarchy of the world deemed this a threat to their profit margin so bought them out.
exactly lol
No-one bought us out! But the government is there during the permitting process which slows things down. Bureaucracy is everywhere :/
Also we were always a for profit. But according to 3P. People, planet, profit. Don't think that any sustainable business can be successful without profit. You have to make a profit while helping people and improving the world!
@@pizdaxyu Its possible that has something to do with it, but there are quite a few problems with this generator. The top 2 things to know are
1) The power output is actually quite low. It is not going to change the world.
2) This design is basically a garbage collector. They are decent at self-clearing sticks and degradable things, but they stand no chance against things like plastic bottles with lids on them, or anything that floats. The bottles float in one by one and eventually clog everything up.
@@logancapes Hire people to clean the shit out, 60 homes.... someone can check the trap every day. If these were widespread use not only would we have more clean energy in developing countries and rural earth in general but we'd be cleaning shit out of the waterways for recycling and disposal. The fact that the power output is low is a plus because it's also very small and simple so neighborhood could implement them and say no to increasing energy costs, it's good to have options.
I live in IL on the Mississippi river and our power company in this area has increased the price of energy yearly for the last... every year. My energy bill is about 150 a month and I live in an apartment, friend down the road owns a home and his cost is about 215 a month, that's an average of close to 200 and his house is fairly small so I'm comfortable rounding up.
60 residences is probably a statement based on EU standards for energy usage, in the US we use about 1100 Kw/h per home per year and their small turbine is capable (optimally of 240,000 KW/h per year. Lets go to about 60% efficiency to make up for marketing hyperbole and low output times if there's a clog or whatever before someone gets there to clear the trap. So we can safely say that we could get 144,000 KW/h per year from the turbine, divide by 1100 for each home/year... that's 133 houses!
But Kw/h doesn't work linearly to houses like that so energy will be wasted sometimes and not enough other times so a small energy reservoir would be a good idea, luckily you can use a pulser pump from the same water supply and store potential energy for when it's needed. Simply pulse the water into a small raised reservoir and open the valve to increase flow when you need it.
Still this would require about one eight of a square mile of river front which is a lot of money, and the turbine, and to pay someone to do maintenance so it's not free energy but the cost is surely less than 100-200 dollars a month per household. Plus you get to tell the power company to fuck off with their smoggy bullshit.
Amazing how we suddenly have so many views and comments! And thank you for all of the advice!
I just want to clarify a few things I saw asked in the comments:
- We shot this footage during commissioning. When installing a hydropower turbine you first test it for a while at half the nominal flow. That's what you see passing through this turbine. It doesn't look very stable yet, as it needs additional flow for the vortex to stabilize itself (Think about how you get that sucking sound at the last few liters running from your bath tub). Full flow of this turbine is 1.8m3/s with a height difference of 1.7m. That gives 15kW of useful electric power with our efficiency of 50%.
- When we were finished shooting the video, we put back the trash rack (with a spacing between the bars of 10cm as that is the maximum debris size that can pass through) and the mesh that covers the whole basin. No children, dogs, pirates,... can fall in.
-60 homes can be powered in Chile with an average household power demand of 0.25 kW. The average in many European countries is 0.5 kW. The average in American homes could well be a few MW if the comments are to go by :P
-Yes, waterwheels have been done before, and turbines as well. We don't claim to have invented hydropower. We claim, however, that we have made this size of hydropower an interesting investment with a lower cost and a higher efficiency. Our hope is to offer a clean, eco-friendly alternative for investors, land owners, industries etc to generate power from the rivers that they have running in their neighborhood. As one of the co-founders, I can tell you that I enjoy nature, and that I want my kids growing up learning about and seeing technologies that try to work in harmony with it.
- Some rivers meander too much for our technology. These rivers aren't suitable. We know about this, thank you for mentioning it.
-We're not related to any kickstarter or crowdfund campaign. I made the video in my spare time as a hobby and I'm honestly a bit surprised that it became so popular. What I was hoping for, was to meet like minded people who want to help make our vision a reality. Affordable electrification for all without harming nature. A lot of people here have been really nice, with lots of helpful advice. Thank you for that! I believe we, as a society, can achieve anything if we just work together.
- Any good scientific peer review should scrutinize the numbers. I'm busy making a new video with full flow footage and footage of our inverter power readout. Please tell me what you'd like to see in there and I'll try and arrange it :)
- Last but not least: we're still in the testing phase. Currently we're checking all the systems and we're making sure this turbine can do what it promises. It seems to be holding up well against erosion and debris. We had some power cable heating, but got it solved. We will also be conducting fish friendliness tests. The whole design was based on the fish friendly design parameters of the Alden turbine Labs. We will validate those numbers. This model is now being worked on and we will be ready by July 2018 with our testing phase. When all of that is done, we will be ready to start helping people everywhere to develop their very own hydropower turbine and build their future!
Thank you for your attention, stay tuned for more updates!
Could you share an example project setting (e.g. water flow and vertical drop) and associated cost? I think we'd all know the costs would vary from one project to the next, but it would be really interesting to see an example. Thanks!
Turbulent Hydro your logo is familiar to me. Almost exactly like eucledion. search for it.
Something mus have made it appear in lots of people's recommended videos page
Dosadoodle our first 15kW is built for $5000/kW. With that our our customer should have a payback time of around 5 years. That Doñihue project runs with a flow of 1.8m3/s and a useful height difference of 1.7m. Now we're optimizing components and working with our suppliers to produce parts at a lower cost and consistent quality.
RJ Zipper I looked at it. It's also low poly and it's blue. That's all I can see similar?
Turbulent:
Humans: Finally we are going to see a change in this world.
Fish: *Why are we still here, just to suffer?*
Engineer here. This will be somewhat inefficient as plenty of energy goes into the wall as friction. However, I'd imagine that this is more fish friendly (although don't know by how much) and that the equipment should be cheaper to build and maintain than a more traditional hydro electric setup. The biggest obstacle, as far I can see, is to keep the concrete from corroding within the first year.
Architect here. There are lots of chemicals to prevent concrete from corroding. They are used in industrial buildings resisting the fricton and pressure caused by heavy equipments. They also smooth the surface and reduce fricton.
Austrian here. We have been building things like this since years. It got patented by an ami called Kenard D. Brown back in 1968 and realized by austrian inventor Franz Zotlöterer for the first time in 2003.
Here is the thing: Efficiency of 60% theoretically, but max. 48% de facto (I've also seen things with under 30%). Even simple water wheels are better than this.
The swiss company that installed this things with Zotlöterer got bankrupt in 2016.
Is Austrian a profession?
Well, i didn't want to write "biology student".
Are you a civil engineer?
1:52 Imagine being the guys that made this and being called unskilled :c
"and the simple concrete walls have been cast on site by unskilled workers" They were probably talking about the concrete walls at the "outlet" because the turbulent is already prefabricated.
you do realize what the term unskilled means right? It's not that they have no skills, it's that they aren't specialized in a field that requires education or practice i.e. welders, mechanics, engineers, doctors, etc. The point in the comment was that you don't need any specialized workers to help set up the power plants, therefore would be easy for a 3rd world country or smaller cities to bring one of these generators in and only requiring only people who can do basic construction worker level work to install it and get it working
This company is simply saying that they only want to pay their workers a buck or two above minimum wage. They're probably banking on getting private jobs. On federal jobs (and some state jobs) this work is done by carpenters, laborers, and/or Ironworkers that get paid prevailing wage, even with precast. Same with the part about hydro turbines being expensive to maintain and causing floods. I lived in Wenatchee for 30 years and most of these claims aren't real. The precast pieces are joined together by weld plates that need to welded together and patched back by a concrete finisher.
However in a typical precast yard, the company generally uses prefabbed formwork that's set by your typical entry level worker. Any precast yard that I've ever dealt with generally have a handful of carpenters that tell the grunts what to do.
imagine the energy u could make by installing this in billions of toilets
Depends on how well endowed you are. Will it suck or will it cut? Inquiring minds want to know.
Bikerchic that's a SHIT idea! No pun intended 😊
They said it could handle small rocks and sand. Not the massive logs in my toilet :(
RIGHT, AND THE TURDS GO THRU UNHARMED////
Right. However, due to the Corialis effect, in the southern hemisphere the flow would be anticlockwise,
which would cause the electrons from generation to run up your arse, and not into the grid.
works at night. works when wind isn't blowing. no battery. efficiency is very secondary. installation requirements are simple. regulation of voltage/amperage output important dynamically. you could distill water as a power sink if need be.... Cool stuff - wish you well in your projects :)
What about drought
Yup. Its an issue - and depending on the location, with more intermittency than a standard dam where they can maintain a higher head of water for longer. Our hydroelectric production reduces signficantly in places like CA when moisture in a year drops. But with this system, it's good while you've got it and flow is up.
Does NOT work, however, during drought. So, if we don’t get that part under control, these won’t matter much. @California @Navada
don't read others' comments eh ? :) And it's Nevada...
How is efficiency secondary?
One of these was built in my town in 1898. Awesome bit of kit!
Lol
I've watched so much random videos that now I'm getting recommended ads.
Guess I'll have to start saving up for a creek.
lol
When I think back to a time three years ago, before Turbulent changed the world....................
Thanks Turbulent for covid 19!
@@sxullpunch638 except that Covid 19 didn't really change the world, the government's ridiculous, extreme, and ongoing reaction changed the world.
Woops, butterfly effect.
@@shelbyseelbach9568 Not sure in which country you live but in danger of generalization I'd say most countries didn't react fast enough and subsequently needed to address it with prolonged measures. Usually also because people didn't follow early measures.
@@vocassen isn't it funny that the flu kills the exact same group of people by the hundreds of thousands around the world every year but we don't shut down the entire world economy in response?
It's all ridiculous at every level.
The governments have served up the kool aid, and the people can't seem to get enough to drink. Just ridiculous.
I wrote a paper in college back I think in 87 that was a similar idea using tidal change/surge to fill basins that then discharge - or like this idea it could go both ways - in and out out. Very cool idea and video!
This has to be one of five of the most brilliant things I have seen in over a decade. I'm floored just from the simplicity of it.
what were the other 4?
It looks like a turbo on a car engine, but it is a nice type of hydroelectric power. Just look at alternative water dam designs and you'll find many good solutions. This would be good if its cheaper and comparably efficient to solar. Also if the place doesn't receive adequate sunlight. But solar is becoming better and better every year and will likely become the dominate green power solution.
Great, now please put a cover on it.
Great. and few wire racks
Yeah! I dont want to fall inside it and drown
Or get ground up
I imagine the final product will have a grate or somthing to cover to top of the turbine
It has safety measures they were removed to display the system.
Much reason to continued the optimization of this. All the best...
yes, start with the inlet that seems to be completely disrupting the water's flow, which I can only imagine reduces the efficiency over the lifetime.
Im in Chile right now and I visited the turbulent to see this amazing work. Chile has a lot of places without power and this is a great invention. Nice job.
This seems like a good idea, especially for small cities and rural communities far away from any electric facility. Hope you the best, can't wait to see these being installed here in Italy! Wish you best luck!
I always enjoy seeing new energy tech. This is a great idea! Small and decentralized is awesome. Loving that! Keep up the good work!
Looks good, I'm a water treatment engineer so used to seeing centrifugal pumps, same principle in reverse and much much bigger ha, awsome.
Interesting to see how you will reduce errosion of impellor, a constant pain of mine...
Good luck!
Don Lewis slower rotation speeds and a polyurethane coating do the trick!
made the thing out of titanium - problem solved
MAybe all water treatment plants could be self powering.
Replace when worn.
Great idea!! No offense...Polyurethane isn't a safe material...regardless of any environmentally safe claims that have been made. Nature (oceans) have enough nuclear waste, pharmaceuticals and other chemicals they already have to deal with. They don't need another bad element being purposely introduced. You should consider something organic in nature as a substitute. I realize that the replacement of the propellers will need changed more frequently, however, that gives more job security...and if they're as cost effective as you claim, then why not sacrifice a small margin of profit to ensure the well being of the environment? Thank you in advance :)
This is exactly what I need for my home and power consuming welding shop..great idea!!
Freaking awesome,these turbines should be put everywhere possible,what a great idea! Way to go!
While this is a neat idea, it looks like it won't scale at all. This would be great for getting power to remote communities not already served by a grid, but not much else I think. I would _really_ play down the comparisons to traditional hydroelectric power, because those comparisons make your device looks really, really bad. Consider a more in depth comparison against the Hoover Dam and those transmission lines you crap on so much at the start of the video.
The Hoover Dam produces 2,080,000 kW. Your system produces 15 kW. So to replace a large dam like the Hoover, you need 138,666.7 of your units. Assuming you could pack them in super densely on a river, spaced every 100 yards, you'd need almost 9,000 miles of river to produce the same power, more than twice the length of the longest river on the planet. But you'll never get your units installed that densely, so you'd need WAY more than that. Not happening. So this literally cannot replace large scale hydroelectric power.
What about more localized power? Let's say we want to power a small American town, population 10,000. We'll be generous and only consider residential power. Let's assume there are an average of 3 people per home, for 3,333 homes to power. The average American home uses 900 kWh of power each month. Your unit produces 10,800 kWh per month, so can power 12 houses (not the 60 you claim, that was dishonest). So to power the small town, you need 278 of your units. _Just_ for the residential power. You also get zero reserve capacity to handle surges, so you either still need those expensive transmission lines to provide power from elsewhere when needed, or overprovision your hydroelectric system, or build energy storage. This is getting really expensive, really fast, and is going to be well outside the budget of what a town of this size could do. Assuming the tax burden is spread evenly, each household would be responsible for 8.3% of the cost of one of your units. You don't mention how much it cost to build these, but my guess is that's not going to be pocket change.
Don't interpret this as me saying your technology is bad. I think it's a nice idea, but you're barking up the wrong tree comparing yourself to hydroelectric dams. Play up the way this can power remote communities with limited access to power, that's where this technology will shine. If you come out swinging with "we're so much better than traditional hydro power", then prepare for the internet debunking brigade to rip your claims to shreds.
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Agreed. And we are not evening talking about industrial usage yet...
Output Coupler Nice argumentation!
Output Coupler good arguement, however the 60 homes might still be somewhat true as less developed countries would probably use much less electricity than that Americans or Europeans would.
While this may be true, the argument of this being an alternative to huge dams speaks to it serving larger communities. Smaller damn for smaller communities don't produce the negative side effects that the huge dams used in this video do. Additionally, it also poses other safety issues. While safe for mall fish, I'd hate to see what a larger animal (human child) would do when falling into a turbine. They would likely not fit through and could drown since the current wouldn't allow escape. Plenty of unresolved issues and false arguments present, as interesting as the idea is for the far future when these issues are resolved, etc...
Do fish get dizzy?
Fish love it..its like roller coaster for them..
Apparently, fish (at least most fish) are incapable of getting dizzy. It would really mess up their swimming if they did.
Bjarni Valur sounds good but I'm not a fish lol but what if they do? Hmmmmm
Vishal Jadhav I like roller coasters but not everybody does....so I'm just saying...what if...maybe if fish are similar? I've watched a lot of videos about things I never studied...and some animals make noises when hurt or disoriented....so maybe fish do as well and we just don't know...I heard lobsters scream hen boiled...
SDD525 I have seen that before...in freshwater sharks...I'm not an expert but I think that is a defense thing...when they turn and sleep for a few seconds....I'm sure other people will let you know what that means but also easy to look up on you tube
When this appears in your recommended:
What have I -done- watched
That's so simple but amazing, really wicked stuff and you can tell so much thought has gone into it because of the way it doesn't harm fish either, well done. I could watch that 'Whirlpool effect' all day =P
Fish waterpark
Wheeeeeeeeeee! (that was a salmon. Very distinctive scream those)
We can charge the fish admission and have them pay for it.
The fish will be fine. It's just a natural whirlpool above the rapidly spinning blades.
From what I understand, the speed of the blades are set by the speed of the flow, so a fish caught in the system will be moving at the same speed as the flow of water so it seems ok. But i wonder, why can't they just put grid or something like that on the entrance to prevent fish to go there in the first place?
(sorry for my english in advance)
"Friendly" to small fish, not so "friendly" to large fish. Or logs, branches, stones, etc.
A grate could be installed at the intake, slightly convex and with a grid open enough to prevent debris clogging but tight enough to block entry of large fish/objects.
Great Work People!!!
60 homes per turbine?
Gonna have to fill a whole river with these things.
Think big apartments..
i would sign the petition to approve this this is amazing! you guys are making the world so much safer
I'd like to see this idea do really well, especially as you genuinely seem to consider ecological issues. Personally I think it's great and wish you the best of luck with it. we need lots and lots more of 'em!
Needs safety revisions but what a great piece of work. Kudos.
I had an idea like this a little while ago. Rather ingenious use of water. Thank you, assuming you implement it.
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It all looked promising in 2017 already. Now you are proving it works in practice you guys.
Awesome design and practial! 💧⚡👌
This is amazing. I live next to a creek and would love one of these. Would be sweet if they were small enough for a single home.
There's already tons of small hydro-electric generators available for single houses with varying degrees of sophistication. They're not gravity powered though, they're generally current powered, which provides a lot less energy compared to typical dams, so whether or not they're worth it depends on what you plan on powering.
British video Allu Arjun
rivers, streams, creeks, etc are all "gravity powered". A dam just increases the pressure difference between the upstream and downstream side of the turbine which allows for higher flow rates and more power generated from the same river, stream or creek.
You can make something simple with a fan mechanism wired into a car alternator If you know what your doing !!!
For $5000 you can get one. Then another $5k for installation. And then you can run your coffee maker your 1cu/ft fridge...
is this gonna become a worldwide thing or is it another one of those brilliant inventions that would change the world for the better that we hear of once and never ever again for some reason?
And on the plus side, you can install one lower down the river and even more if the river falls. Looks great!
It's been a long time since a video on CZcams has given me some hope.
How abrasion resistant are the turbine surfaces, what about flood conditions with high sediment load?
SDD525 Teflon is harmful to the environment.
Teflon is not abrasion resistant but it would reduce the friction between the water and the blades, however i wouldn't think the teflon would help much at all in this situation.
the presures are low, so cavitation wont be a big problem
0bloodshot0 oh I totaly agree, I simply meant on whether Teflon would help. But I think even at low pressure there could be some serious erosion to the concrete under the turbine.
Dane Jones a turbine housing out of concrete sounds stupid indeed :D
Awaiting thunderf00t...
Chad so glad i found your comment. TF would rip this a new one, as it so needs
lol true
Not if his work on the "perfect" battery is anything to go by.
James Baker i must have missed something. A perfect battery.... they found a way to harness unicorn farts????
That's simply the title of the video. I have no input into video titles.
Scotch Turbine? Neat, used to power canalboat lift planes on the Morris Canal in New Jersey in early 19th century. Your application to hydropower is rad.
Those workers you mention were certainly not unskilled. If one does not know how to install and reinforce concrete structures don't expect them to last.
Let's see some DATA... you're generating electricity... anyone got a meter? Let's see numbers!
angurisloud agreed.very small for the stated output
Not really. Look at a 20KW home standby genny, maybe 2x or 3x 4' or so. And the fact that it's low pressure will limit the output too. If it's truly putting out what they claim it's a good idea. Will depend on water flow in relation to output too.
This is already in use in many parts of India especially in ghats.. I ve seen it in private farms in Kerala and Mangalore while trekking
Let us assume that the cross section is 0.5m^2 (just for the sake of simplicity).
15,000W = 15,000 kg*m^2/s
We divide this by the cross section:
15,000 kg*m^2/s / 5.0m^2 = 30,000 kg/s
And because 1,000 kg of water equals roughly to 1m^3 we get 30m^3/s
Now we divide this again by the cross section:
30m^3/s / 0.5m^2 = 60m/s
This equals to *216km/h* of necessary water velocity.
So no. The turbine shown in this video will not provide anything near 15kW of electricity.
EDIT:
Sorry, my calculation is bollox. I totally neglected the potential energy.
Assumption:
0.5m^2 cross section
5m/s flow rate (18km/h)
1m fall height
5m/s * 0.5m^2 = 2.5m^3/s
This equals 2,500kg/s
Kinetic energy:
E_kin = 1/2 * m * v^2
1/2 * 2,500kg/s * (0,5m/s)^2 = *312.5W*
Potential energy:
E_pot= m * g * h
2,500kg/s * 9,81m/s^2 * 1m = *24,525W*
Total engery:
315.5W + 24,525W = *24,837W*
So even with half the fall hight, you would expect a reasonable output.
Your power equation don't make sense to me, how did you get it?
Based on your unit it appears (kg/s) * (m^2), ie mass flow rate x Area, but that's not power.
One of the major downsides is this system is that it requires a consistently fast moving body of water that stays at a fairly constant level year round (no significant droughts or floods). Also, a settling chamber would be very useful to prevent excessive wear and tear on the turbine by debris and sediments. Overall, this product _might_ have _some_ usefulness in very specific scenarios.
I'm thinking smaller towns in rural areas could be more self reliant using something like this. this could be useful on some of the large creeks and rivers in the North Carolina mountains (where I live)
Wow this will really clean the air we breathe ans solve a lot of problems :) Thank you for posting this!
Great! How no one could think of it before!
somebody is going to fall in that and get shreaded like in hungary in 2009
...what happened in Hungary in 2009?
Zac Howarth poor kid fell into a turbine like this at an aqua park and died
Just cover it, and all the problems of things falling into it will be gone.
@@priscsepa Why is a thing like this not covered in a WATER PARK !
Love this so much, I dreamed of this idea from a very small kid hydropower from the streams and rivers. I'm from the UK and every village is beside multiple natural waters our estate and I simply couldn't understand why that energy was never harvested.
If you're not working on this in the UK yet I cannot wait until you do.
That's why we started it! Friend of mine was living next to an old watermill
Turbulent Hydro fantastic! Wish you every success and would certainly love to see this around the UK
Would love to come to the UK. Love the country! We endeavour to get there soon!
Get it done!!! Rivers and streams are everywhere in the UK, great idea. These small projects are the future!
Man bring this to the U.K. all major towns are near massive water ways. Lakes, rivers.
One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
Great, now i know a new fishing spot. Thanks!
Cool concept. Needs some safety grating/ covers though. It needs a grate for the inlet, and a full cover for the top
Yes, I thought the same thing. While it is fish safe (which hydro electric is not), it could be dangerous if a person got caught in it. Great invention btw.
Ok.
Oh I guess while they're at it put a cover on the rivers and dams out there also. Probably be better to just wrap everyone in cotton wool or lock them in doors can't protect everyone from the dangerous outside world.
Thought the exact same thing. Looks cool
Ľuboš Rybanský they said it can power 60 homes. Sounds like plenty of power for a small cost and size
please came to sri lanka and, start your that project...
We are ready for this system, supporting this company is a step to sustainability for the planet
Excellent work, thank you for sharing
Yhe that swirl looks super "safe" for fish haha.
There are swirls in nature which adds up O2 in water
@@omshingade291 oh yhe def, like im not saying that fish who get tossed around in strong currents down a small lake with big rocks in it is safe for it either 😅 but thats nature vs nature. This man made mini tornado doesnt look safe. Thats it really😉 and it might even be the best roller coaster ride a fish will ever get and also be 100% safe.
I sure hope so hehe
@@Knasern I mean fish go through huge industrial dams and turn out fine right now. I imagine that is worse than this tbh.
@@Knasern youd be suprised, if you ever go diving and get caught in an underwater current its weird as hell but your always going with the flow of water, the only risk is when its just openned or just closed as the blades wont be moving as the same speed of the water due to resistance and inertia =)
fish will have PTSD
Pass through unharmed on the video. Like to see a real test with some koi. Or a gold fish.
I see one simple mindset here that maybe most of us ignore all this time, that is nature provide so many things for us to be arranged properly for human being convenience without making any destruction to the nature itself. Good job sir. Keep going dont stop.
Thanks for sharing your solution with the world! That's awesome.
i need it here in the philippines.. a lot of mountain villages dont have access to power.. how can i avail this?
Is that one in Chile not dangerous? What if someone falls in? Aren't there any safety measures, like a simple mesh or something to stop someone's fall?
technically they are saving the planet by jumping in
Read the first comment
Who is dumb enough to fall into this? If you are dumb enough to fall into this, you deserve anything that will happen to you if you fall in.
Love this design, almost no harm on original nature environment.
You can have multiple turbines in a row similar to canal locks, good luck, great concept.
I can't help but notice all the water that isn't going through the turbine.
Jay Turberville yep it would be more efficient at the bottom in the middle of the lake or river your exactly right
Amazing it would do wonders in countries like India where rural population is still struggling to get electricity, though the Modi government is very supportive and solar power is becoming quite popular but this can this kind of decentralized hydro power will help immensely.
solar is easyer for them I think.
It wouldn't "do wonders" in India. There's too many people. This thing only powers 60 houses. India has 1.24 billion people. Conventional hydro-electric is the only way to use water effectively.
+moncorp1 Inc Remember that a huge power plant costs a shitload of money to build, requires costly maintenance, you have to transmit some of the power a long distance which requires a high cost infrastructure, etc.
This small scale solution is cheap to build with a low maintenance cost and you can do it on a stream. On a river you can slowly build up the number of small generators instead of a big up front cost of a huge power generator.
Yeah Dan but between this or solar..this needs a stream. That is a pretty big requirement.
I bet this is 100 times cheaper then solar panels.
Simple is not the same as easy. A beautiful idea, well done.
I think this is pretty awesome.
Lots of turbines out there to be implemented, and should be implemented... Anything that will give us free energy with no loss of life or possible catastrophic future events is the ideal, and this seems to be one of them!!!
Great video great work my friends. You are the future, don't give up ✈✈✈
Definitely should cover up access to the turbine. Kids and some adults are stupid.
Don't worry, they'll never build these in CA.
I think its cool how some people are accually doing something to help the environment now
Keep on your project. I'll keep looking for turbine updates. Best wishes for your success.
Seems interesting. But I doubt it produces 15kw. MAYBE if it's a fast moving river or stream but like other things that are too good to be true I doubt this will work as intended. But I would be more than happy to see you prove me wrong.
Assumption:
0.5m^2 cross section
5m/s flow rate (18km/h)
1m fall height
5m/s * 0.5m^2 = 2.5m^3/s
This equals 2,500kg/s
Kinetic energy:
E_kin = 1/2 * m * v^2
1/2 * 2,500kg/s * (0,5m/s)^2 = *312.5W*
Potential energy:
E_pot= m * g * h
2,500kg/s * 9,81m/s^2 *1m = *24,525W*
Total engery:
315.5W + 24,525W = *24,837W*
So even with half the fall hight, you would expect a reasonable output.
Yes that sort of thing is quite doable and has been done for a long time, small hydro. You can buy a small home sized or medium sized hydro generator, you just need some plastic pipe and access to a stream, quite sufficient to power a home if there is adequate water flow. The problem is there are very few sites and few opportunities. I've lived in rural areas and you have a very hard time finding a site suitable for this type of hydro. So it is a bit player and always will be a bit player in the energy game. Great for people who are so lucky to have a good site nearby though.
Keyboard runner. That's only assuming *100%* efficiency extraction. Now what percentage of that 24,837W do you expect will be converted into actual electricity?
Michael Zhou
Since I have no data about the quality of the turbine, I will make no statement about its efficiency.
Besides that, the turbine is _rated_ to 15kW so it will only produce this power under optimal environment.
Sounds like efficiency for these systems are about 35%.
What about extreme cold temperatures? What is the limits of handling cold temps?
Moving water wont freeze
@@fog1962 But ice may form in the structure since it's not fully submerged. Then this ice may break and fall on the turbine, possibly damaging it, or altering the flow
I dont see this solving every problem but i could certainly see it helping in smaller community's
great work! thanks so much.
let's see the R&D numbers. It seems rad, but so do fairy tales
Entire industrial cotton mills with all their machinery were once run from such small streams - the principle is well proven
Spaniel Inquisition - Note that Victorian water wheels were vertical (horizontal like Turbulent's is less efficient), and that they only needed to yield around 4-6 kilowatts; the average first world home needs about _30 KW_ each day. OP's right, some numbers would be nice.
We're making a video with some more details. What kind of numbers would you like to see and how can we best present them to you all?
hmm, I think you have your kW and kWh mixed up. An EU or US household will have an avg Power demand of 0.5kW. That's about 12kWh per day
enlightenmentfun the key thing is that none of your appliances will be on all the time. That brings down the average power demand significantly. Also in these parts of Chile, they don't often use an aircon. That being said, in the video we state that it can power up to 60 houses (as is the case in many parts of Chile), if you have a higher energy demand, less houses can be powered.
I wonder if this is cheaper than 60 homes with solar panels on them? I priced solar panels and they are outrageous price and repairs are not cheap.
The Game This won't heat the planet up solar panels are junk. Look at what solar farms do too the environment. They fry bird's in flight.
Dennis Dennis you have personally caused more death than thousands of solar panels. Your pet cat is also killing too many birds. Stop being stupid and go read a bit.
Dennis You're a moron if you confuse solar panels with solar thermal plants.
空軍パイロット Any solar reflection off any metal or glass is going to be hotter than our natural surroundings. If you measure the temperature on piece of land with tree's and totally natural surroundings. Then cut all down and put in solar panels. Thanks temperature of that piece of property would triple in temperatures.
I will analyze your arguments for you, since they lack cohesiveness.
Your first comment is arguing against solar thermal plants, shown by the statement, "They fry bird's in flight."
Your second comment is arguing against deforestation and urbanization. You mistakenly identified the cause of the temperature rise as being from solar panels, rather than the removal of foliage.
In case you are wondering why anything I said matters, it is because The Game proposed putting solar panels on top of houses. You said this is wrong because solar thermal plants, a completely different technology, hurt the environment. Then, you said that solar farms raise temperatures by causing the destruction of foliage, even though The Game asked about having solar panels placed onto existing artificial structures. Deforestation would not be a factor here.
Turbulent is ready to change the world! Congrats!
Very nice info, I will dig into this more.
you got my attention ,nice
Why is a water turbine so politically charged? Sure they're trying to sell their idea with a feel good video and catchy title, but I don't think this video is saying this alternative is the only/best form of hydropower. Why not develop/install units like this: they might meet someone's objective for power. Hater's are going to hate, articulate criticism is at least interesting...
Lol, remember solar roads? Yeah, it's that again. Lots of unrealistic promises.Sounds nice, but no real content.
NOT depending on your government is a CRIME............
and still stupid.
plis talk english
The reason is simple. Because so many of these "idea videos" promise checks that they can't cash. One only needs to look at self filling water bottles, underwater breathers, solar roadways, spinning solar cells, waterotor, and the list goes on. Simply put they aren't selling a water turbine. What they are selling is a idea and most ideas turn out to be nothing more than a pipe dream. Now you know why they don't site actual installations nor any scientifically verified specs.
I love this! Cheers guys!
I would buy this for my off grid house in a second this should be one of your markets :)
Just another francis turbine without draft tube and lower head.
So nothing like a francis turbine then? :)
al35mm almost
I must agree with Apolly.
It is most similar to the francis turbine as the input stream is tangential and the output stream axial, it's just a low pressure version
It's maybe just a simplified Fourneyron turbine (1832)
Nice props to the"unskilled" workers lol way to make them feel proud.
That's not a judgment. It just means they had no prior training in that field.
www.GPcarAudio.com it just means that you don't need skilled (higher costs) workers to do it, the whole point of it is that it's a low cost low maintenance project
i didnt know "unskilled" workers are snow flakes
Ken Degnan it's amazing in the midst of global warming snowflake production is it at an all-time high
Ken Degnan there's more snow flakes now then any other period of record ittime lol
Amazing project!
how could people give this the thumbs down .
the flood is caused by expand farmland and removing wetland, not building dams
Yes, but actually no.
When the dams get over pressured, they have no choice but to release all the water, flash flooding the area. _But_ it is true that removing wetland is what causes them to get over stocked in rainstorms.
@@Ranstone Yes, but actually no.
When do you think the dams get over pressured?
For shizzle my dizzle!!! 😎🐟
I WISH YOU THE BEST! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. I HOPE MORE OF THIS GET INTO SOCIAL NETWORKS AND LESS OF THE PRIVATE LIFE OF THE MANY FAMOUS ARTIST AND SPORT PLAYERS.
This is such a unique idea! Well done!
I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH THIS SYSTEM COSTS ??? @#$% $$$$$ .... ???
Great the one in Chile looked great, what happens when one of the local children gets sucked in, will they pass straight through like a fish, I think not
"with great power comes great responsibility"
It probably would produce more energy if that were to happen.
Zane H You get "chile sauce"
A simple grate could prevent that from happening.
You could put a fence around it to keep kids out.
Brilliant idea guys !!
wow this is actually really neat