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- Set goals for 2024 in our monthly workshop & get a handwritten quests card: patreon.com/erikthor While most MBTI CZcamsrs are just normal people, one youtuber has a dark reputation. Today I'm addressing a warning about a CZcamsr who charges more than 500$ for his coaching services.
This man will often employ an abusive rhetoric towards the 16 personalities, and if you look online, you will see hundreds of people who have been negatively affected by his videos and services, including several people who have worked with him.
There are so many great and gifted creators out there happy to help you with coaching and support so that you can better get to know yourself, and for a much lower price. Personality psychology and typology can be a great tool if used ethically and correctly, but can also do great harm if used to manipulate or control people.
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Thanks for all the comments and the response to this. Not every video or article by CSJ is wrong or bad, and he has certainly got some good ones. My views of him are not onesided. I'm only trying to highlight some of his problems. You can say that, well, he's an ENTP, and that's what ENTPs are like, but that's just not true. ENTPs can grow and mature and have Extroverted Feeling. They should be capable of working with their community in a friendly and playful way. I also don't mean to say that you can't be critical in your videos. I've made some very critical videos of several personality types. I just think there's a right and wrong way to do it, and he often falls into the toxic, abusive territory, yelling and spitting while he talks about the types.
i think you're just too sensitive to watch him, there are many people who enjoy his content, if u don't..then just ignore him and don't watch..no one forced u to...
Nobody asked 😂
Bro chill ur not hard
I just had this conversation with a friend. I like the info from CS Joseph. But lately, he’s gotten dark. Seems like he’s going through something personal. 🤷🏻♀️ He’s making it very hard for anyone to hear him.
But most of Joseph's content is free, so he most likely is doing it to help people, so he most likely does have developed exroverted feeling. Although, he may only be putting out the free content as bait for the stuff which requires payment in order to access it.
Also, when one is speaking about other's objective deficiencies, it is impossible not to be toxic about it. It is a toxic topic. Maybe he does take this unessecerily far sometimes. I don't know.
Also also, I am an ENTP too, and it is kind of hard for me to integrate any kind of playfulness into my Fe despite this because most people do not interest me, and because I lack any conscious version of Se. Furthermore even when I do manage this, they sometimes get standoffish in which case I am forced to participate in their silly heirachie's, so that doesn't help either. I would say that it is the same for most ENTP's.
While I can not speak on him in a personal manner, I can conclude at least one thing.
His actions, style of speaking, and attitude of "It is this way and no other" run in direct opposition to the professional mental health world. This is something you (Erik) touched on in the video when discussing ethics. Throughout a psychology degree you will take courses on ethics in relation to mental health and if you further go on to do research or therapy you will need to be certified in the various areas of ethics you will be involved in. For example, I had to take a certification course for ethical social and behavioral research and every few years I have to redo that certification as a refresher to keep my certification.
As an influencer in the realm of psychology, it is important to be mindful of the impacts of your words. While I in no way think people "Shouldn't" be able to say what they think (I support non restricted speech) I think any following consequences from such words are justly earned, especially when your words involve advice.
To me as an observer, CSJs videos come off as aggressive, full of personal anecdote and experiences that shroud objective judgement, and often filled with archaic or even sexist ideas (E.g., his series on "Jungian Sexuality").
He is currently the only person in the type community that I caution my community to interact with.
If you can't deal with him directly it's okay, got it you've "attitude problems" But just don't fight with logical facts, deal with them and thrive on truth and innovate new things combine with good values you can add. (but first try to understand the contexts fully) instead of attaching unnecessary moral stigma. Everybody is whining here like CSJ is "unethical-evil-criminal"he has been promoting crimes and making others criminals showing outrage like punish him.. Really??? but not having guts to understand the context or to talk with him directly to reciprocate what he actually meant and then people give excuses "nobody wanna talk with him". Actually you guys are not having guts to talk with him beacuse you guys afraid your mumbo jumbo your status will be destroyed by making up your minds already (So "certified" ethical empathic nature of yours)
He just informing extreme perspectives to safeguard ourselves based on experiences shows the dark aspects truth how worst things also can be happened,(certifications do not teach that)he's not judging he is just informing, You can think he is judging but can't just face sides of truths and Rise over them. Life cycle is not all sunshine and rainbows. We can't obsess with all positive all good gotta observe worst aspects of life too, life is too short to experience everything by our own self and learn so just learn from others so called "anecdotes or person experience oriented views" just keep those in mind and safeguard yourself.
And certifications do not teach everything. That might be true to build status among people. But mental psychological developments are complex which can't be just developed by studies or certifications. Many have matured developed minds and knowledge without so called certifications in psychology.
You judge him sexist like he is spreading misinformation in name of jungian sexuality but bro try to understand the contexts before judging something or someone, some superior force has created separate genders and their different biological roles(you can't deny that fact), you can say to show your political correctness that both are equal both have right to have equal status in matter of career, No denial in that. But biology also have impact on psychology, Society do have some imposed masculine and feminine traits on people. People also have different psychological types some are primarily known masculine and some are feminine (regard less of gender) that also cause problem on someone's psychology and so do on their relations.
He is talking on this topics openly to spread clarity and awareness on such taboo talks to safeguard people.
Eventually you have to accept the bitter truths too which you can't accept in yourself,
And btw he is still human, use your certified ethical behaviour to have proper talk with him directly before judging him,
Te people gotta reciprocate with Ti users and bring out the useful crux.
Fi users have morally self righteous attitude
Ti users have logically self righteous attitude.
People gotta see beyond superficial things and reciprocate for the betterment.
@aftonology101 I've just realised their fear but they gotta understand, their fear is not real, the need is to rise above those lesser feelings of fear, belief, anxiety, insecurity and shadow blind spots which are holding and keeping them back, away from the true glory.
(Btw can you see hidden comment)
@aftonology101 if they can see above and really can understand usefulness of the concepts and contexts, it was just suggestion to do talk and collaboration with CSJ directly by solving their attitude problems(misunderstandings) so to reciprocate the best ideas and to bring out the best of their worlds.
You caution people to interact with Joseph? But despise him for believing that his way is the way, it seems that you also think your way is the way. Smells like hypocrisy. Instead of writing your negative opinion about him or anyone, have the gut to improve him, approach him, help him if needed. This is not what Jesus would have done, bash someone in his absence by commenting how ethical you are. Sorry, I am a templar, had to enlighten the situation. The truth.
@@photosky14 I don't despise him and I certainly don't believe I offer "the way." My only goal is to give people a perspective. Also, using your temperament/type as an excuse for behavior is something that I think CSJ proposes that is counter productive or even unhealthy at its worst.
If CSJ wants to talk or debate, he is more than welcome to reach out. He is more than welcome to critique my content as well. I don't throw stones from glass houses - I am prepared and willing to defend my ideas.
Thank you for making this video! He's extremely toxic and basically just full of himself. -ENFP
Ooo.. who hurt you
@@Ncoherent369 probably enough people for her to call out toxicity when she sees it.
As an ENTP he can definitely come across harsh, but damn.. His videos have been so beneficial for me as an INFJ. I feel like sometimes we need someone who just says it as it is in order to grow. If you look more videos of him you will see that is he also extremely aware of our good sides! Also, the test on his website is amazing and the one I always recommend because it's based on the cognitive functions only. I understand your point, and yes he could definitely be more humble, but I'm happy he makes videos and is so passionate about this subject. I've learned a lot. About the manipulation side.. he's not talking about changing who you are. It's more about understanding (!) the other person. You can after that choose to manipulate or not. Sometimes we do that automatically, specially us who can be 'chameleons'. It doesn't mean we're fake or unauthentic, we just have more sides to our personality. Why not use them to HELP others for instance?!
Yeah, this video seems very one sided. Like Erik has an axe to grind against him personally.
Which is weird. As far as I know, CSJ has never "attacked" Erik. I've never seen him attack any other CZcamsrs actually.
@@pruje I have a feeling he just wants views and is just following the CS Joseph hate bandwagon.
Google the term social engineering why I don't like to use that term, the term has really dark origins.
Otherwise, I'm all for understanding who you are and who other people are and learning to respect others needs and boundaries, as well as your own.
I'm also a chameleon and adjust my behaviour and tone of voice to the person I'm talking to. I do it naturally and instinctively, and never to be malicious or to hurt others.
The way you express ideas is also very important. You dont know how are your viewer's lifes... he doesnt show respect in many of his videos. Maybe you are just considering the data but there are a lot of sensitive viewers that can be damaged with that kind of speech (cold, sarcastic, without respect...). When you are influencer you have to moderate a lil bit. Not everyone is that strong...
@@pruje this is not a personal attack, just constructive criticism
He hates ENFPs lol. And the dark places his mind goes is very disturbing...like he tells you how to blackmail INFPs and INTPs...
Soo trueee
I like/love C.S. Joseph! He gave me the most profound insight into MBTI. He has a harsh style & maybe sometimes that harshness is a bit unnecessary and unpolished, but he really knows his stuff and I am always suprised how accurate he is with MBTI. He takes the theory to a next level. I always watch his video's and I try judge for myself or what he says is accurate. I don't have to be ''insulted'. I did leave a 'Hey, not cool!' comment once on his video. I thought he was not being objective but subjective and unnecessary harsh. But mostly, I love him. He's really bright, I hope he continues sharing his knowledge and he of course also keeps growing as a person, like we all should do! - ENFJ
I'm sorry to have to make this video, but after hearing so many people contact me and talk about his bad practices, I felt it was necessary for me to make this video to spread awareness on the topic. Beware of people that use psychology in a toxic, unethical or unhealthy manner, spreading stereotypes and projecting their own negative experiences to the 16 personalities. Psychology is meant to lead to understanding and empathy, but CS Joseph somehow achieves the opposite.
Don't be sorry. I am actually glad you do it and a lot of people will be. I seriously started questioning myself if something was wrong with ME, when watching his videos. That's how good he is at gaslighting and manipulation.
Lmao dont forget the boost to the algorithm you will get from this
This Was Good. Who’s Next On Your List? lol
@@k0j747 Exactly. All communication is manipulation. CS Joseph is spot on with how the functions are interacting, but people are judging him for being his personality type while crying about him being judgemental. The hypocrisy of the masses is strong. Many types are just sensitive to his lectures, unable to practice objectivity. So those with low Te or Ti are more likely to be irrational in their assessment of his work. They will base it off things like a lack of "understanding" (their low Ti or Te) and "ethics" (high Fe), which are judging functions, so this is how it will come out in those who are these types.
He is a liar
The subtitles say "CS Yoseph!" 😂😂
OMG that's rich.
as an a Estp... his videos are pretty acurates for that type. Blind spots are somewhat ''dark''sometimes but reflect a spectrum of habits and behaviors. Not really manipulating
but building concrete grounds for different flow states. (Dominant/ego/superego/subconscious...) You take what help you grow, thats it.
Watch the channel Flow State
There's lots of developed ENTPs out there that also have a fair and accurate awareness of other types. Please go watch them instead!
I guess you’re the ESTP who is a shitty cheap gift giver and won’t spend a dime on love ones, you don’t care about anyone but yourself, and can’t hold a meaningful relationship? Watch his old ESTP videos and his new ones after he got married to a supposed ESTP, his opinions on them shifted drastically, almost like he was using them to manipulate his wife.
Also he typed his cat and also his child while in the womb…..
Confident bullshitters are not knowledgeable educators. It’s obvious his knowledge on anything lacks depth and true understanding and he constantly changes his model to fit his current narrative.
Your proposed ideal."the goal is to make people feel bigger" and his proposed ideal "he makes people feel smaller."
Okay Erik. I would like to now illustrate that both of these are equally dualistic approaches. Both can serve to harm or nurture and help one grow depending on the viewers decision. Neither are necessarily wise intentions.
1. To act on the intention of making someone feel small
2.To act on the intention of making someone feel big.
Both of these feelings one would be left with are not the middle way, not the present reality of how it is.
How about instead of trying to love yourself or hate yourself you do better, and accept yourself.
CS Joseph points out all of the vices of the personalities in a brutal non negotiable tone yes. And it's damn helpful because even as an enfp, one of the types he does this the most with.
I have seen everything he's said happen in my life and the lives of other types I interact with..
He knows what types get defensive and blind to what, so uses his Fe to put on an uncomfortable shouty show trying to convince people that they have a severe tendency towards self harm because most people actually do have those built in. He's not always understood his subject through imagining being them and walking a mile in their shoes as I can. But what do you expect from an ENTP. He does offer alot of interesting and valuable perspectives. Wether absolutely true or not. All truths are but half truths.
I respect his honesty and vurnerability in exposing his own past and biases, it's not even half hidden, it's self evident and comical at times. Where you are shocked at him I laugh and think it over the top and silly.
If I want to learn wisdom I don't come to mbti CZcams channels, this is like mental candy bars for the ego.
I go to osho, ram dass, old Zen teachers, or to an indigenous tribe in the Amazon and learn from the plant teachers.
The ego is not wholly who we are, just a vessel for something much larger that most of us forgot all about.
Are you saying that ENTPs arent supposed to have empathy and that he should be excused for this failure?
@@orangeziggy348 no. But Fe using thinking types don't truly understand Fi hero/ parent.
@@orangeziggy348 also, I don't see a failure, because I don't see a goal. None of this is important, it's petty silliness.
If one identifies onesself with phenomenon, you will experience suffering.
@@orangeziggy348 sympathy = me in my sphere of influence, you in yours, me watching you walk through your maze and giving you help because Fi I understand you are me in another life and if I was you I would want the help.
Empathy= Fe you're in your sphere of influence and I get emotionally sucked into it with you feeling what you feel with no separation, can't see it another way.
This proves my point that you are excusing him for not having any empathy which is a trait of all healthy humans.
I don’t entirely know how I feel about him. Since I haven’t seen much of his vids but I have seen the INFJ ones (since I’m INFJ) and to be completely honest everything I’ve seen him say so far, is scary accurate and that includes the bad things. At least for me 🤷♂️
Me too! I feel like he actually gets into the meat and potatoes of my type compared to many other sources
all i can say is that his sytem is pretty good but dont associate the system with his character.
Also an INFJ, and I agree. I had the same response. Very accurate. Especially the bad things.
Everyone on the internet in the typology scene seems so reluctant to call out the bad things because it's seen as "toxic". But exposing these weaknesses informs you, and allows you to correct them. He is not doing it from a place of malice or ego. He is very abrasive, but IMO this is normal for ENTPs. Just like ENFJs get carried away with feelings, ENTPs do the same thing with ideas. It's something you just have to accept when you interact with them.
I can say for sure my life is better having seen his content. My understanding of myself and others has increased measurably.
Also, if anyone wants to see an example of what Erik is talking about, check out his ENFP/ESFP comparison video.
It’s a video about how these types are similar in that they are both usually women who have breast implants and wear low cut shirts to job interviews. They are both selfish and want a lot of attention and gifts from men.
The difference is that while both are quite immoral, the ESFP has a chance for redemption, while the ENFP is just truly “depraved”.
At the end he gives parents advice to “read books” to their ENFP/ESFP daughters.
I am not making this up. You can watch it and hear for yourself!
generally speakin this is kinda true tho, that doesnt mean its true for all Exfps. a dear friend of mine is an enfp and she asks and wants gifts and things all the time(seriously) and thats fine its not a bad thing to want much in life. there are both good and bad things about it just like everything in life.
@@elliot1411 I agree that there is nothing wrong with wanting attention and gifts. There is nothing wrong with breast implants or wearing certain types of shirts. My point is that these things don’t have anything to do with the cognitive functions. They are purely behavioral. They are also strangely specific- so even if someone was trying to explain a behaviorally oriented personality system, I cannot believe something as specific as “wearing low cut shirts to job interviews” would be correlated to a certain type in any significant way.
From a cognitive perspective, leading with either Ne or Se would mean that the ExFPs get into flow and feel most alive and get a healthy sense of self from interacting with the external world in real-time. Ok, so we can re-word that and say, “they need a lot of attention”
The problem is, unless explained through the lens of the cognitive functions, this statement is very open to interpretation. It invites a negative bias because most people would think of someone needing a lot of attention to mean the person is insecure, self-centered, etc.
And it’s also ok for people to be those things- we all have struggles and ways our insecurities manifest.
But people having those issues are not based on their MBTI type. Those are not cognitive patterns having to do with how we perceive information and make decisions.
I often see cognitive function videos that don’t teach me anything, but I don’t care. I’m taking the time to respond to Erik’s video because I think C.S. Joseph’s videos could actually be harmful.
If he called his video, “My rant about ENFP and ESFP females” then I would have no problem. But he is disguising it as education about telling the difference between 2 types. If people believe they are receiving education, and use his videos to try to understand people according to their type, I see a high potential for people to do the opposite- label, and judge instead of staying curious and open to the other’s experience.
@@heartpoint5289 yes, it has to do with cognitive functions, because they both have Fi parent and Te Child, they derive their self-esteem from what others think of them (that's why it offends you so much that he says "bad things" about your type, ENFP for sure).
You don't have to take things so personally, he doesn't speak for all the EXFPs in the world.
@@tehflooper I did not express being offended. I did not say he said “bad” things and that my issue was that I took it personally. If I felt so personally, seriously offended, I would have probably had a defensive reaction, needing to point out why I am not “bad” or these “bad things”.
If you read my response to Elliot above, it explains what I do not like about his videos.
@@tehflooper I do think an interesting subject is looking at how the placement of the cognitive functions impacts in what ways, and what degree we might care what others think of us. In that particular video, I did not hear much about how this Fi parent/Te child dynamic creates the dynamic of someone caring a lot, or how it might be a more, or less, or a different kind of caring than other types. That would have been potentially interesting. I did not hear any education of those concepts but heard many minutes of rambling and ranting about how people were dressing and very specific things like people preferring to wear shirts with ruffles and what kind of clothes he likes on women. My point wasn’t that it was offensive, but that it is not content that provides learning or increased understanding of type.
In my opinion, CFJ is a self-important, self-appointed "expert" and makes gross over-generalizations about entire groups of people with a child like petulance. As a 57 year old INFJ, and someone who has done a lot of learning and self-growth over time, I have found him extremely narrow-minded, rigid, and dogmatic in his approach. And again, as someone who is a pretty darn healthy INFJ, I have listened to this guy rattle on and on and be so forceful in his beliefs as though to impose his single vision as the only vision. All of this "INFJS are this" and "INFJS are that", aside from being very rigid and myopic, and speaks in such a way as the "final authority" and to me, sounds rather ridiculous. Even his whole rant on how "INFJS are obsessed with credentials", which is very condescending. Almost like he is referring to them as foolish children or something. In my opinion, it is never about blind allegiance to "credentials " or "authority", but about the people who have any credentials and what they do with them. In other words, I would say that many healthy intuitives know that credentials can be important but that it is the people that have acquired them, why they have, and how they use them, and that "credentials" can be used by some for less savory or even destructive reasons. Smart people know plenty of "credentialed " people that have little to offer and are sometimes frauds. Also, I find that some people who mock credentials or diminish them, are people that desire "credentials" but have little or none, and project contempt for people that do have credentials and are in most ways legitimate as human beings. I am a therapist who has many credentials, but I am no better than anyone. It is what I did to earn them and how I use them is what truly matters. He reveals alot about himself and is far less self aware than he thinks. He has always felt like an impostor to me, and how ego-driven he is is rather obvious. For this and other reasons, I find him extremely subjective while he pretends he's not. I also never felt as though he genuinely cares about others and almost appears high in narcissistic traits. I am just speculating but for many reasons I consider him to be a joke and an opportunist and cannot take him seriously. And in some ways, he becomes hostile when referring to INFJS, like he wants to diminish or ridicule them covertly. As an older INFJ that has worked hard to get where I am, I can tell you that he gets much wrong.
Thanks Erik, and keep up the good work.
Good post. I'll just provide a mildly different perspective on credentials. I've been to therapy with people with "official" credentials and they did not help me at all. I think we should re-define credentials on a more personal level. The same way if someone is interested in a topic and researches it over years, regardless of formal education, they can have more credentials helping someone than a person that just went through the motions because say... their parents wanted them to become a doctor. (10,000 hour theory comes to mind, especially in emotionally helping people). INFJs can seem child-like (it's a good thing, think idealistic) because they honestly want a better world and are generally not interested in the shallow materialistic reality that consumes most other people. The downside of this is that INFJs, as empaths, can be taken advantage of by others, especially in early life. All INFJs I know, in real life, that are in their 30s like me have traumatic stories that linger in their psyche. This also holds true for my type, INFP, but I think it's even worse for, and takes longer for, INFJs to break out of unhealthy relationships and habits once acquired.
Anyways to Erik, I love your videos. You seem to honestly care for the well-being of others and to emanate love to the community and are appreciated more than you know. Bless.
@@mec0013 Credentials are only one very small part of what you become in whatever realms to pursue. My real credentials are who I become over the course of time, and all that far supercedes the credentials that are easier to define such as University degrees. These are only tools on the road to becoming. In many ways, the initial "credentialing " opens up the opportunity to earn your real credentials through experience and a never-ending pursuit of further growth opportunities and deeper understanding. And of course not all therapists are created equal. I know as I have worked with hundreds of them and found out for myself. It's one of the reasons I have my own private practice.
@@therealjohndoe3862 That's amazing I'm happy you have your own private practice. Pre-pandemic I was seeing a Reikki healer, she operates out of her own home (kind of outside the system), pretty sure she's INFJ. In regards to therapy I think INFJ is a better credential than PhD lol
@@mec0013 I happen to agree with that. Thank you.
“…. childlike petulance …” is a very accurate description for of his attitude.
So much truth. He is very very toxic and needs to be stopped. His anger towards personalities is sad.
he speaks what people need to hear not what they want to hear.
hes the only MBTI youtuber thats courageous enough to speak the harsh truth to improve it allows for introspection which helped me greatly in my life your loss...
Thank you for adressing this big issue...
I have watched several mbti channels and CS Joseph remains one of the most brilliant expositors of the MBTI and other psychological theories ❤️ I recommend all of his content, beyond the harshness of words, he it's not perfect but the truth hurts and is precious, more in these days where censorship begins to expand. -INFJ
Right. ♡
Cs Joseph doesn't teach MBTI... He teaches the type grid. MBTI is its own system developed by Myers and Briggs, that chase heavily disagrees with.
@@zile8869 thanks for the clarification. Type grid, so.
I love cs Joseph he is thé only one who tell us thé truth thé hursh truth. Being my self an INFP hwo has Taken avantage of by all thé poêple arronud me. Thé only one who make me not feeling guilty about not having an idéalistic view of thé word because INFP has idéalistic and non realistics view of thé Wolrd .WE représente 4% of population , thé majority of thé population has a realistic and manipulative way of hundling thé World. That me as INFP can't percieve before watching CS Joseph and Reading thé 48 Law of power and i have 32 years old.all poêple juges me before as neif and now After watching CS Joseph i do inderstund .
Cs joseph is a shill. He doesn’t even define his terms. He simply spits out anecdotes with confidence and expects the weak minded people to believe in it. He doesn’t care if he has 10,000 people debunking his bs if that means he has 1,000 people paying his bills.
Yet he hates you Infps the most and teaches other types to dehumanize you.
I have been concerned that his videos could cause harm to people just starting out their discovery of typology. I watched one he made about my type- ENFP.
This video had absolutely nothing to do with the cognitive functions. He just said that most ENFPs are drug dealers and drug addicts. Then he told a story about a drug addict and all the bad things that happened to this person and all the people he hurt. It was just an example of the basic problem of addiction- that despite the negative consequences, the person is unable to stop the addiction. He said some things about how this person could heal- and it sounded vaguely like 12 Step work.
None of this was specific to an ENFP or any specific type.
@@youtubing9762 Wow!!! This amazing. I also have only dabbled in drug use - and not in many years- and never had any issues with addiction. I am a therapist, and would like to think I have served my clients well and helped them recognize that they, like all beings are worthy of love.
I’m thinking perhaps you and I must be some incredibly rare ENFP subtype?!? The non-depraved, non-addict ENFP. Someone should make a video about this discovery!!!!
As an ENFP, I found what he had to say about us sickening. He had almost nothing good to say about us, and while he talked about the functions at times, it was all negative. Very frustrating.
He’s stated many times how much he hates ENFPs. He’s incredibly insecure with ENFPs.
@@youtubing9762 what do you mean by stock market activist? Like you buy up a majority stake in companies so you can leverage that to influence their operations?
@@shoshoneethorpe6970 Maybe because ENFPs are smart about systems-like MBTI- and smart about reading people, so we see what is going on with him. Yet I find myself and other ENFPs find stuff like that really amusing and can see the silliness without getting uptight or judgmental. So we’re not going to be his followers nor his haters. So he doesn’t get a reaction- cause we’ve already found something more interesting and moved on😊
CSJ has more accuracy than any of the other people making content that I've encountered in my 11yrs of study on the topic. No one is asking you to agree with ALL of his opinions or modes, nor should that be the case with anyone you follow. You should be your own person. Most geniuses are not liked and would be labeled in exactly the ways that you describe.
Exactly. All other content creators in here together cannot reach him together.
This comes as the price of accepting his bitterness at some things. And that price is worth it very well for many.
Out of curiousity, how are you measuring that accuracy? And what is it in regards to?
@@ChristopherWaddelow With Fi-Child and its axis function.
@@jackshit1723 I am talking from a more literal perspective. Everyone says he seems to be acxurate, but I dont understand how you can come to that conclusion.
CSJ is abrasive and annoying, but there is some good content there if you can stand your ground. He also interacts with comments etc if you can argue your point. Not disagreeing with Erik that it can be unpleasant, but the world is unpleasant, and you'll probably be meeting and working with people who have worse intentions daily. Better to have someone be upfront than to find a knife in your back.
Thanks for your comment Thomas! Personally, I've never found his content or theories to offer much, but everyone is welcome to take away what they like from anyone they watch. I'm not here to be a typology border guard or tell everyone who has the most or least accurate interpretation of Jungs works, just to make sure his theories are applied in an ethical manner and that the tool is applied to do what it is supposed to do, which is help people in the path towards Individuation, growth and self-transcendence.
As an INTP I don't just look at what he says, but the point of view/bias he is speaking from. He is an ENTP and sometimes the way he tries to motivate people is by being sarcastic to irritate them to action. He is high action from his Ne hero and comes down hard on INTPs and INFPs for having so much potential but being passive. As hearers we can get offended, take action or as I tend to do prove his opinion accurate and take it with a grain of salt and remain passive.
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@@ErikThor You literally made a video with his face, name, teaching style, and the word "scam" associated with the title. That's borderline unethical, I would guess. I am Fe trickster, so Fe/ethics is/are subjective to me. If all content was made in an ethical manner, though, it wouldn't reach the people it does. You're missing out if you don't understand his work, Erik. You're a great guy, but CSJ is not bad either. You just have to be willing to not be affected by his Se demon (triggering your Si demon) in conjunction with his Fe child, which seems unacceptable to your Fe parent. But his Fe child is innocent despite his lack of tact.
Agree with this. Most people I've seen that have a problem with him are heavy feelers or mistyped people who are in deep denial...mistyped INFPs that think they are INFJs especially absolutely hate him. He's not going to sugar coat his opinions.
Which I personally find refreshing. His system makes logical sense and is consistent with my own real world experience. I am not following him because I want him to pat me on the back and tell me how great I am. I am following him because his techniques have genuine real-world practical value to me.
Thanks, Erik! I discovered CS Joseph a while ago, and initially found some of his content new and interesting. But I also quickly came to the conclusion that he has a toxic approach, a very unhealthy and immature attitude towards people and his work.
I’m glad you are standing up and making people aware of the positive way to use personality type and to be cautious in getting involved with his negativity. Thanks for all you do! - Anne (INFP) =)
I didn't 🤔 see his videos on infj , I saw some of his videos on infp as I am that . I felt it was ok . He speaks in a rational way which generally feelers are not comfortable with but didn't know about this infj rant thing
Hey. He speaks the truth and the truth hurts. Truth is not intended to be comforting. Infjs might comfort you while educating you, entps are supposed to tell you the truth. And it is for your sake
He is the icey sword of truth, all entps are
@@nikolettavarga8351 you can deliver truth in many ways. Most of the time when people say similar things to what you just said its an excuse to be allowed to be mean. Telling the truth can be a thankless job, saying what no one wants to hear but it is not a licence to say what you want how you want. Words are very powerful things and we should be very careful with them. Even more so when expressing something potentially hurting. You can't hide a bad delivery by saying it's the truth.
That said I know you can do your very best to say something in a constructive way and still upset people. That's a different thing.
@@perjohanaxell9862 again, i don't exist to make you feel good. I exist to tell you the truth. I'm not responsible for your emotions. I'm responsible for the future of mankind. End of story.
1. He never in a single video said of using social engineering techniques to get into a relationship. He said he teaches those things so that we can protect ourselves from manipulation.
2. In the part of his video about INFJs you mentioned , he literally said to think for yourselves. Do you think thinking for ourselves is a bad thing?
3. He never belittled any of the types in any of his videos. He only says the bad things about the types so that we can get an understanding of what things we can end up doing.
4. People also accuse him of deleting comments which I think is an understandable concern but I think the real culprit of it is CZcams itself. I have gotten many of my comments deleted by CZcams not only on his channel but also on other channels.
While I do think you have good intentions and concerns, I think that you are taking too many things out of context (which is also understandable because it is easy to do so in his videos). He also said to watch all of his videos to get the full context which many people don't. He says negative things about a type in one video and say positive things about the type in another video. For instance, he said INTJs can become pirates stealing other people's stuff and work in his wayfarers video and said INTJs can master any skill faster than any other type in another video (I forgot which video it was)
Thank you for writing this! I understand many of the criticisms of Chase and his content, but so much of this video was just poor representation of the purpose of his content. As you pointed out, that is understandable given the format his content typically tends to inhabit. That being said, even though C.S. Joseph is not perfect, I think Erik could have taken more time to research, before releasing a video like this, as well intentioned as it may be.
I see a lot of people commenting here about him being very mean spirited, and projecting old trauma unto the personality types. However, though it may hurt sometimes, I find his critique to be a lot more helpful, than just being told how wonderful your personality type, which SO MUCH of MBTI content on the internet is. When he uses negative personal anecdotes, it's not with the intention of saying eg. "all INFJ's are worthless, paranoid assholes, with God-complexes", but rather to illustrate certain characteristics, be they positive or negative, that a type posesses, or rather how certain proclivities could potentially manifest in real life.
In addition to what you wrote regarding social engineering, I think it's important to note that one of the reasons CSJ teaches MBTI is to make it easier for people to understand each other, and therefor know how to love one another better. He's currently uploading a series called "8 Rules for Loving an XXXX", which essentially uses the same principles in terms of cognitive functions as with social engineering, to show how you meet the needs of different types in relationships. Not only can you better understand others needs, you can also better understand your own needs - self love! Isn't that something positive?
He also typically doesn't recommend getting into relationships with types which your type is naturally romantically incompatible with, unless you are ready/mature enough to handle the difficulties it may bring, although depending on the person (not the type) they might want/need different kinds of dynamics in their relationship.
Personally I find the C.S. Joseph system to be the most complete and comprehensive mbti theory that I know about. I don't always agree with his thoughts. As an example, I disagree with many aspects of the Jungian Sexuality lectures, and when he types people (celebrities) online I think he could be a lot more thorough with his typing, when he charges A LOT of money for it. He does himself a lot of disfavors, like coming off extremely dogmatic about his opinions/ideas, when in truth he has actually changed some of his beliefs over the years (for better or worse). If he could just be more open about those changes, and be forthcomingly openminded in terms of the weak points of his method, I think he would be more succesful.
That being said, I think Chase brings so much value to MBTI - I would rather be told harsh truths with the intent of real personal improvement, than mildly being pointed out my strengths and weaknesses. Also, think for yourself! Take what you can from the content. You don't need to subscribe to all of his ideas, for you to get something out of them.
@@sparrowfish3537 I too disagree with many things on his jungian sexuality series but I think 90% of his content is valuable. I think he is sometimes too defensive while facing criticism but like everyone he is not perfect.
THANK YOU... Eric should read your comments!
Here's the thing, I've been on CZcams since 2007 and consider myself more than up to date on the typology bubble, even including several smaller creators. I have also watched a large amount of CS Joseph videos before making this video, taking more than a year to think and prepare my criticism and to make sure that I wasn't making a chicken out of a feather.
I have no doubt that CS Joseph also says positive things about types, and I am not saying that it's a problem to be critical of the personality types and to deliver feedback. I am sure he has helped some people and sometimes provided feedback that was helpful to some.
My point is not to say that we cannot speak negatively on the types, but I think CS Josephs methods are manipulative. I think he engages in false marketing, and I think he overcharges his clients for his services. I have been, following this video, contacted by hundreds of people who have felt manipulated or abused by him. I've heard from people who have pressed seize and desist charges against him, after bad experiences working together with him. If you go on the internet and look around, you'll see tons of people witness to horrible things he have said and done. It's in the context of this I feel this video was necessary.
Ofcourse, you may not recognise this and may not have experienced this. An asshole can sometimes be nice, just as a nice person can sometimes be an asshole. This does not discount from the many bad experiences other people have had. If you enjoy his content, by all means, continue to do so. That said, this video is to bring recognition and awareness to the many who do not.
@@ErikThor 1. Expensive is a relative term. I don't care if he overcharges for his services. It is the people who pay for them, so it is up to them to decide whether to pay or not. It is not false marketing if the product delivers the said results.
2. You mentioned he is abusive and manipulative towards his employees. I did hear about them. It is none of my concern whether he has abused his employees or not. My point is his content is good. I may sound like an a-hole but the truth is nobody knows whether they (or you) were lying or telling the truth. They could've entirely made that up or you could lie about that. I am not saying any of you are lying; What I am saying is at the end of the day it is the internet so anybody can say anything.
3. I have watched the many C.S.Joseph criticism videos and none had one good argument in them. All were either about him making more money or his system doesn't comply with theirs. None had any logical explanation as to why his system is bad.
We cannot criticise his content based on his personality (not personality type). It is an ad hominem.
First I want to thank you for addressing this, since I can see how many ppl might get confused about mbti, or even the way psychology works after watching cs Joseph. I think that apart from the point of social engineering which especially when placed on the internet can get dangerous, cs Joseph also tends to forget about individuals. He tends to talk about a type as if all ppl of that type are the same, with the same flaws, experiences etc. Basically unlike most creators, instead of talking about certain categories in thought process it feels like he is talking about specific ppl. also I rly like the way you close this off, by a) stopping reinforcement of aggression towards entps and b) using him as an example for being careful about new information
Your criticism of CSJ putting the 16 types in a box is a criticism psychologists have of typology in general.
One of Erik Thor's criticism was about creating more dichotomies than the 16 types.
There's probably as many types as there are individuals.
Do 16 types really exist inherently? I don't know. Some say there are 2 types of humans, some say 10 etc. Personally I think 16 (2⁴, 4 letters, 8 cognitive functions) is kinda a sweet spot.
The way I see these frameworks is: if it is useful, use it. Otherwise, drop it.
CSJ argues typology isn't putting people in boxes. It's a framework that you build up from. There is nature and nurture.
to this day no one has a better typing system than him.
i admire him for his harsh criticism, because unlike other MBTI youtubers he dares to be harsh whilst the rest speaks too fluffy when it comes to jungian typology.
I guess CSJ's harshness scares away people. On the other hand, if he managed to word his thoughts in a nicer way he would have millions of views because his knowledge and insights are extremely valuable.
It would scare anyone who has decent amount of EQ.
what do you mean by "his knowledge and insights". Since MBTI is entirely a construct, the original one is what's MBTI.
@@kaushy it is like to compare a first grader and a university professor who has been studying this stuff his whole life and say "how are they different when all the information is publicly available in books".
With fields like this there are many amateurs who think they know MBTI well, and when you are an amateur too they're fun to watch. When you learn more it's already less funny. But I guess it can't be helped.
He always talks about entps like they're super creepy because he was picked on but in my experience I've met very popular entps that are well respected and liked. His compatibility stuff is based on extreme dichotomies which in the real world don't hold up
Agree. Thx for public share. Listened to many CS Joseph vids. Annoyingly full of himself. Headache producing.
He seems like a cult leader ENTP and he liked the comment when I mentioned it.
He's so toxic, it makes me sad...
He does not seem like an ENTP at all
One of the things that I find most disturbing about CS Jospeh is his disdainful attitude and criticisms toward NT women, as he sees then far too emasculated and often too feministic and aggressive. He feels strongly that the main purpose of a woman is to take care of a man
if that's true. He honestly needs like very much therapy.
take care of children**
if you watched his videos you would know hes mostly going against fatherlessness, and emasculation of society towards boys, and the masculation of women.
I wouldn’t say it seems like he thinks woman are only good for men because he literally makes entire videos about it. It’s not even typology based. Just a dump of contradicting expectations that are inhumane no matter how u slice it.
_Thank you_ for bringing this up. I hate the toxic way he goes on about INFJs as if he once was deeply traumatised by an INFJ girlfriend, and he's taking it out on us.
He does this for ENFPs as well. Who hurt him?? lol
oh definitely lol
Absolutely
I'm an INFJ myself...everything he says about INFJs is accurate IMO. His criticisms of his ex absolutely resonated with me. That is exactly how an unhealthy INFJ behaves. I've done it myself when I was young.
It's usually mistyped INFJs that get offended by stuff like this. That's been my observation. If you are a Frank James-esque INFP-that-thinks-they-are-an-INFJ, you are definitely not going to like what he has to say.
@@pruje type isnt an excuse to be stuck in a self-loathing, self-victimizing rut. Not everyone is always going to be stuck in the same place and never change throughout the years. His criticisms are valid and noone denies that, it's the relentless boxing everyone in and making it seem like they're supposed to be that way so everyone displaying those negative behaviours belongs to this type. Pseudoscience will never overthrow psychology and the fact that people who do that(the supposed "infj weaknesses") have to overcome their past traumas/bad nurture. Type doesnt matter there.
In fact, you repeating him word to word and not considering other logical explaination with your own thinking is pretty Te inferior of you.
Be very careful of people who talk like him. They are very prone to manipulating under the mask of "helping everyone". I still do watch him but I also know about the shit his "men's group" has tried to pull on their women, strictly adhering to his relationship principles, that he keeps changing according to his experiences. Ik of two or three infjs that were manipulated by xntps and used thanks to his "social engineering" shit.
Were they right about infj weaknesses? yes. Did they use it against them? definitely.
Once again, its not the mentioning of infj weaknesses, its the obvious relentless shitting on their character in a pretty vengeful way.
I'm not here to promote him, everyone do have their good and bad aspects. If someone (csj here) is making us aware with their personal experience oriented "possible extreme" perspectives of psychological nature of types, doesn't means that person is judging us all and putting in the box like we are those things only and can't do anything else, but for once if we listen and keep those harsh perspectives in our minds, we can really stop being so ignorant and naive, also rise over them prepare ourselves for harsh things too. That ain't gonna cost a penny also not gonna do any harm, internet is full of butter-ment, more than betterment but keeping those so called "dark and harsh" possible perspectives in our minds we can really safeguard our selves, those extreme things won't gonna happen if we keep those things in minds for once but if we are totally unaware about those things we might also do those mistakes too. Csj most of the time talking possibilities of extremes of psychological nature (but we also have our nurture). Our minds are not that simple, we all go through complex psychological developments to achieve maturity.
And can somebody tell how many of people have harmed their selves after listening to csj lectures? Idk about you but after listening to him I've safeguard my self more than anything, Somebody gotta say bitter too, sugar and butter aren't always good for health.
@Erik Thor
You say social engineering is something bad thing, manipulation is bad thing, make one a dishonest person I see you're trying to provide good value here but those things can used for bringing "positive changes" also why you are thinking that will lead people to do something bad always.
Like if we meet people who are not compatible/likeable to us still somehow we have to work with them in certain conditions, if we know their type with social engineering we can adjust with them better.. Is that bad thing??
CSJ is just providing intellectual tools and his experience oriented harsh perspectives we all gotta understand he is just telling/informing us so we don't have to repeat them, how we gonna use our minds is something, still in our control.
He is just informing us to learn from that.
Also why are you worried about so called his created dichotomies "starter structure" etc? that isn't sole work of him, hyped type grid derived from Dr Linda Berens hard work. Which turns to be absolutely true in my study. What do think of that type grid is it utterly false? Or Are you worried that you can't be proven hyped infj label on yourself from that?
Thank you for having the courage to boldy and responsibly say what I think a lot of us have been feeling or thinking! I think that the MBTI is useful to a psychotherapist with the intent of using it for psychoanalysis in a psychological setting, to assist in getting a quick understanding of a client, an overview, a scope of what to look out for as red flags that assist in diagnosis and treatment and such. It is hardly something to be used as a stand alone tool. It was intended to be utilized in a larger CONTEXT. For eg, it indicates if a personality is predisposed to experiencing certain types of disorders and on which spectrum. There is a correlation.
I feel that it is great that we all have access to such information but it is dangerous to treat it as a separate component altogether. It exist in the field, setting, context of psychology. It is not a separate type of typology like astrology (which is also complex and people do not think to consider that ones star/sun sign is meant to be interpreted in the context of ones natal chart).
On the topic of CS Joseph, I am most outraged by the lack of objectivity! It seems as if he forms an idea in his mind about how a type is by merging the theory with his own personal experience of people he knows, knew, knew off, to amalgamate those and presents his personal correlation as an absolute or objective truth. When speaking about types, it feels as if he is speaking about someone in particular. He zones into himself and his experience, hence we observe him being triggered, emotionally decompensating, loses composure, forgets what his objectives are and contradicts the purpose of his work. Knowledge and information is by nature to expand ones understanding yes not limit it, or present it from personal bias or prejudice as an absolute truth.
There are elements of abusiveness in his method of expression, verbal, emotional and psychological and that is where I feel that it crosses an ethical line. I understand that to grow, people need to be deprogrammed to be reprogrammed. We must be willing to shatter all we know, to be open to criticism, to be willing to question our beliefs etc. We can encourage people to feel it safe to go down to the dungeon and have a conversation with their demons. What he achieves is awakening defense because he attacks. Almost awakening peoples demon by hitting their inferior. People are not receptive to such an approach, by design! Hence criticism had to be reevaluated to what it achieves. In that constructive criticism communicated as such would be better received with possibility of change affected vs criticism, let alone abusing people and calling it an awakening. It is as though he gives himself a free pass to being abusive under the self belief that he is doing good and those who do not get it do not understand his intentions are good. I think people have a very good way of feeling that out, some intuit it, some look at the logic or lack of logic in his method, some look to the actions, is it achieving a certain outcomes etc.
A community of people reacting in a similar manner must mean that something is largely not ok and should be addressed as YOU are and I am thankful for you speaking up.
My personal observations about the possible reasons he "treats" the INFJ the way he does is because:
There are elements of dissonance when he speaks of this type.
1. I could be mistaken but one of his mentors was an INFJ, one he had a fallout with, one rescued him from the streets (unsure, and have no desire to expose myself to his abusive demeanor to verify which one of his mentors or if it was the INFJ one that did all of that for him)
It could be that he experienced extreme gratitude to an INFJ for affording him a better life, believing in him, investing in him. There was a fallout possibly because the INFJ mentor may have warned against something that would lead to this (opening himself to criticism because of x,y,z unfavorable traits, methods or approaches).
May have left him feeling criticized, rejected, hit his insecurities and caused some not so nice feelings that he has not addressed, approached, processed etc .
2. His ex, he states was an INFJ, when he recalls his experiences , he is clearly triggered as if saying "she had so much potential but she threw it away, and cut herself", mentioned her name even and speaks openly about her without respect for her privacy. He describes her devoid of having learned something from that relationship. That indicates a vindictive move to publicly humiliate and shame her. It it is possible that she too hit his vulnerable spots of deep seated insecurity. Or his insecurity triggered by, despite having all this information , unable to help her, felt helpless. Or probably tried to wake her up the way he does other INFJs, which is experienced as abusive and is the reason for her unhealthy state. He would have to consider the role he played in that relationship. If not, there is a spectrum of people who do not engage in introspection. An INFJ would likely mirror to him all that he thinks he is vs "see who you really are", by the way that she reacted, engaged with him, or in her mental state of health. We do not break all by ourselves. Leaves one to question, why would she be wrist cutting in a relationship with him, and why would he be asking "why are you doing this, stop doing this, value yourself more!". I mean, he would know why and be able to facilitate a different outcome!
That would be achievable if used MBTI in context of Psychology to analyze and explore possible reasons and to address them with compassion, love and understanding for another human being, whos best interests we have at heart.
Sounds like he experienced a type of mortification that forced him to see things he would not have wanted to see in himself. So he devalued her to maintain that she was flawed and he was ok, while over valuing the type, he is disappointed to have not met an INFJ that can "save humanity". He desperately needs to meet one to see that what his theory indicates is infact possible, that an INFJ has such potential. He gets emotional talking about the INFJ being the "tip of the spear"...and emphasizing the role he believes they need to execute or else humanity has no hope. To him, there is a lot riding on this type. The problem with personal association to ones beliefs. One can be made or broken by them.
3. Perhaps he wishes that he could fulfil that role or believes that he could do a better job ( given his superior stance by devaluing INFJs), and tries to but experiences even further vulnerable spots hit when , in his attempts, some end up backfiring. Like hating the thing we love because we cant be it, mentality. Put it on a pedestal and worship it when it acts the way we expect it to or from imposing ones own values onto it, and the next minute bashing it up as it fails to live up to ideals, expectations or our beliefs of how it could or should work.
4. His son is an INFJ, as he believes. So INFJs are associated in his mind with the bringers of a lot of pain to him, through affording him truths that are painful to accept and internalize, I suspect. Activates his V-Spots, causes trauma, or triggers unresolved trauma. But ...dissonance, his son is one. Someone he must love very much as he is a part of him. His life work is dedicated to typology, one may find themselves relating to people as types rather than a person.
It is as though he holds the belief that:
INFJs must, save humanity from itself by charting new pathways that lead to a brighter future, revolutionizing something and places that on INFJs heads to own that responsibility. "It's up to you" (over value).
They have hurt him (devalue).
The ones he has met has not shown themselves in his eyes as "saviors". (devalue)
His son he believes to be one. (over value)
=>psychological dissonance of love/hate(or too hurt by)
==>psychological incongruencies. What he believes vs what he sees = untrue
Hence his expression of the INFJ is as though he thinks highly of them and then he starts bashing them.
He may feel that them making up a small percentage of the worlds population means that it looks like the odds are not in favor of positive change in humanity which maybe scary to him and to think of a future in which his son will exist in.
He probably feels the need to "awaken" them to their calling to "do their" jobs as he is doing his, own ones responsibilities.
His frustration may be because either he may believe in them capable of reaching their full potential or he MUST believe it in order to hope that there is a better future.
His way of awakening , is not received well. Instead of adapting and responding maturely to criticism, he defends himself. (sounds like a Type A personality disordered person along the Narcissistic spectrum, there I said it as it is my opinion and I am commenting).
He has placed a lot of hope in this type but in his experience, they have not proven to be worthy of the task they were given.
He also displays a problem taking the back seat to this type in the hierarchy of things.
And that is my opinion of why I think he reacts the way he does towards INFJs in particular.
My thoughts, feelings, ideas, opinions are speculative and subjective based on personal observation in an attempt to understand a persons behaviors by exploring possible reasons behind it.
To those who read this to the end, I hope that you had an entertaining read.
Have a pleasant day!
Cutting is done as a result of trauma, especially from childhood. It might be a way of "feeling" control over one's emotions, or to 'feel something' when the only thing they feel is numbness. Cutting requires psychotherapy. The cutting is actually a self-protective defense that was learned and then repeated. A husband is not in any position to stop a wife's cutting. The therapist must not be a part of her own family. What she needed was therapy. Saying, "value yourself" is ignorant of what's going on inside of her and would lead her to feel more hopeless.
Tbh I don't wanna judge his personality, his attitude or the way he teaches, that's just him. What I'm looking for is how to improve myself applying his research and point of view and I won't let my feelings get in the way of learning. I feel like he gave me the reality check that I needed and actually makes me more tough as an enfp. And the social engineering stuff has been SO useful to me you have no idea. ♡
In mental health people who need to manipulate others instead of being honest are people with self esteem traumas, that feel they cant be themselves in all situations. I see Joseph as a man who needs a lot of therapy coz of a hard childhood, his got lots of trauma wounds he hasn't resolved yet causing him to lash out at others. Therefore his just trying the best he knows how, from the wounded position his currently in.
Agreed
The issue that I have with him is that he's inflexible in his opinions and his explanations lack nuance completely. His 'lectures' seem to suggest that types are completely one dimensional and behave in a predictable way, all the time, whereas reality (and Mbti) is obviously much more complex but he seems to disregard this. An ESTP who grows up in, let's say, a deeply religious family that encourages theoretical thinking is not going to look like your average ESTP, and might shadow function to sound and act more like an xNTP. An INFP working in business might learn to hide their feelings and might even act like a thinking type. And I could go on. Same with his relationship 'advice', it just lacks nuance. Not every single person of a certain type wants the same thing in a relationship (and noone has the authority to tell people which type they should want to date, that's bonkers!!).
Also when typing people, he seems to type exclusively based on what they say and disregards body language completely and also the fact that for instance, celebrities and people who appear on TV are generally coached on what to say and how to act and this also influences their behavior. Sure, INTPs have the reputation of being socially awkward but if an INTP happens to be an actor, they might lean on their Fe to act personable and warm in an interview.
The very fact that he fails to consider possibilites like these tells me that he doesn't have Ne. Ne LOVES possibilites, questioning themselves and reevaluating their perspective. Ne hates making restrictive, overarching statements like '[insert type name here] always overvalue credentials and can't think for themselves'. That's my two cents.
Great video btw and I love that despite formulating criticism, you still remained respectful and also emphasized that Mbti should not be used for manipulation. I agree.
Thank you!!! I’ve had a lot of personal interaction with him and he’s just out of control. I’ve known I’m an ENFP for over 20 years and he hates ENFPs but liked me and refused to believe that I’m an ENFP. He’s displayed stalking behavior. I ended having to block him. He’s also said awful things about those with disabilities. He quotes himself as an authority the likes of Plato. He’s a disingenuous mess.
I’m honestly convinced that Csj is an undiagnosed clinical narcissist but ofc I’m no psychologist. Apparently if u tell him that he just makes excuses about how it’s just what ENTPs do. But he literally came up with the descriptions. Its just pathetic that he acts one way in public and another in private. Like I can’t imagine caring that much about how people view me.
I remember one time on a livestream he bragged about how he sold 250,000$ worth of firearms after the Sandy Hill Shootings, if that doesn't tell what type of person CSJ is, idk what will convince you
OMG!!!
The terms "starters" and "finishers" comes from Linda Berens' work on interaction styles. And is used by more and more by typologists each passing day. Same with Beebe's model and terms. Thanks largely to the greatest typologist of all time: CS Joseph.
The fact that it's used by more and more people each day does not speak to its merit, I mean, it's actually not that popular in the community and very few other experts actually use it, so it's kind of a weird argument. Perhaps in your community more people are picking it up? But what's your sample size :P
I'm very sceptical of Beebes model and it has very cloudy and vague definitions. Berens model makes logically no sense and ascribes traits to people with widely different cognitive functions and processing.
@@ErikThor If you wrote this a year ago I would agree with you. But today with the help of CZcamsrs like Joyce Meng Linda Berens' interactive styles are now widely accepted in the type community.
To understand the interactive styles I would encourage you to watch this Joyce Meng interview of Berens:
czcams.com/video/EYZ9LTzmbpw/video.html
@@ErikThor - "it's actually not that popular in the community and very few other experts actually use it"...weirdly Te response coming from an INFJ. The CZcams community defines what is "correct" now?
If it makes sense, that is all that should really matter, right? Explain why it does not make sense. Don't just defer to what the "community" thinks.
@@ErikThor You said "the fact that MORE AND MORE ppl use it each day DOESN'T speak to its merit" and proceeded to say "it's actually not that POPULAR" as a justification to why it's a nonsensical theory.
So you used the same argument by saying the NON POPULARITY of this theory is one of the reasons why it's nonsensical. hmm
But, to be just, you also said it was a bad theory because only "a few experts use it". Now that is a good argument but still, when a theory is introduced, not everyone will rush to use it, especially since it's fresh and new. Not many experts are willing to try new stuff unless they're tested, just like in medicine or any other domain.
And that's what's happening in my opinion. Until there are enough ppl using the "4sides of the mind theory" and "Linda Beren's type grid", a few experts will dare to use them. Because not using the 4 sides is easier for them.
Besides, if you care about "experts" using or not using smth, then you should also acknowledge that Linda Berens has a Ph.D in psychology and she was the one who made the type grid.
One time I was drawn to a video he did that seemed interesting. A little ways into it, I started feeling uncomfortable because I was getting the impression that he thought poorly of INFP’s (like me), and I know that we’re not everyone’s cup of tea, so-to-speak. So I didn’t finish the video and I didn’t see any others. If 5 minutes of this garbage made me uneasy, then I feel sorry for anyone who watches a lot of it and thinks this is what typology is supposed to be about. I’m so glad you made this video. Thank you.
Agreed 🤮
I encourage you to read the comments above - he says things in a very harsh way, I’m an enfp - also a sensitive soul like yourself and if he criticises any type the most - it’s my type…
I promise you if you can commit to watching his full body of work, he also encourages each type in a very realistic straight forward constructive way- criticism hurts - and when he dies criticise each type he is saying the very worst possibility , he also states the very best of our type …
None of us are perfect and there is no room for real growth if we don’t get comfortable listening to criticism -
I say this from one big feeler to another- I encourage you to start at the beginning of his work and watch all of it … you will soon learn he isn’t out to get anyone and he doesn’t favour his own type over any other either
Guys, you all look like total beginners to me.
It is very simple.
1. For types with peolpe focus CSJ is likely not the right thing.
2. For types with focus on matter CSJ is likely the right thing.
His content is good. His presentation is questionable. If you focus on the first, you are good, if you focus on the person CSJ, you might get problems.
What was so difficult to it for experts like you?
And when I say his content is good, I actually mean his content is top notch. It tops all contents of creators writing here together. And for that reason you guys have to group up against him, to be at all able to compete.
And btw. I still agree that some things he does are no-goes and really questionable. But when I am looking at learning Jung, I would send people to him first above all of you.
Cause what you do is explain how you think things are, but you don't back it up with insights into functions.
Cause you never back your stuff up by functions but just do interpretations. But my Fi-Child wants the real deal, the pure stuff, not what you have made it to. And that seems CSJ domain, with one other CZcamsr together who constantly refers to the underlying functions.
So CSJ is a greater value than you are for other people, and I tell you this with my TE Authority function.
And yes, I have a hard time too often accepting the way he speaks to INTJs, ENFPs, and others he doesnt seem to like that much.
At least my mind can filter it out however, and the core substance what is left still is better than what you do in terms of providing value to viewers.
Deal with it!
And I see this is a good way to take someone down who is better than you, who had a harder upbringing time than you, who made ends meet and hence is a bit toxic, yes, but limiting him to this single attribute tells more about you.
You might say style over substance. I say the opposite still!
You've seems to me as ITJ that kind of arrogant and looking down people that actually lower from your own value standpoint. But you've just answered my problem. I've just seen your point of view kind similar with me. Criticizing people just to get people to sympathize with you. It's from win vs lose standpoint. But I'm glad your Ti critic match with my Te nemesis. So you deserved your Fi child rant and looking down other people because its necessary.
@@lindungharmonirahmanullah5577 What you say one could say about the guy who made this video the same way:
As well as Eric Thor lists points why he doesnt like CSJ, the same way I list points why I like him over many other content creators in the Jungian space.
Where is the difference for you?
@@jackshit1723 ups I don't expose it right? But I was mentioned I like your value. After reading a book what CSJ said actually derived from it, example the guiltly is an Fe thing is based Dario Nardi, NJ being generalist and SJ being Specialist from Dario Nardi book that he translate is as Ne-Si user for specialist and Ni-Se for generalist. Then what he said about midlife crisis are the process developing your subconcius basically already written on Personality Type Jung Typology. What people said CSJ made his own system the 4 sides of Mind basically from Socionics, grip, beebee model. Socionics and MBTI are considered to Jungian Analytical Psychology. I'm just loved being talked my flaw and my own hypocripsy with truth of course. But when someone talk bulshitt even as admiration I will reject it immediately. I was able verify that INJ being cursed with Si demon is real and it affect directly on their health and appearance. Two NTJ I know died from disease. NTJ women being often became spinster are aplid to in my country. My NTJ women teacher become spinster for long time until married in age 35++ old.I'm just don't get it why people complaint CSJ being harsh. When if you are in religion like Islam or christian you have Abraham who unethically destroying people public religous with hard cold of logic only. Which is this form of harshness beyond from CSJ yet many people don't criticize Abraham behaviour.
All jokes aside, this was a good and accurate criticism.
@M J there’s a CSJ hate wagon? Can it stop to pick me up? (LOL jk)
@M J you're probably not wrong, but that doesn't really matter to me. If his pursuit of his agenda furthers mine I will positively reinforce it (assuming it doesn't simultaneously step on my toes). All the other specifics around that dynamic are secondary considerations and background noise. The content doesn't have to be earth shattering, just not blatantly wrong.
@M J so much sass
you should check out the video TheEndlessKurtis made on his type. I think he's right, he seems like an esfj, with a LOT of issues over enfp.
Not accurate watch his videos more. Pay close attention to what he says, quit being a yes man and think for yourself you sheep.
Thank you for making this video, Erik… I’ve been waiting for someone to make one like it for a very long time. My perspective on the man’s work has changed drastically on several occasions in the meantime, but there’s no question that we need to have a discussion about it.
The things you’ve said for the most part reflect my own feelings about CS Joseph. He gets so nasty and derogatory about every type, even the ones whose contributions he claims to value so deeply! It feels straight-up *bad* to watch him shit all over other people… BUT, while I choose not to align myself with his *behavior* , I think many of his contributions are valuable. His ideas are far from *all* bad.
As an INFP, I feel like I’m receiving something like “tough love” from him. His words often *hurt* to hear, and I find him to be very unpleasant and *rude* , but much of what he says makes… quite a bit of sense, and I feel sort of like a baby bird being pushed out of the nest (as much as a youtube creator can do that to me from behind an iPhone screen.)
His content lacks tact, that’s for sure, but it seems like he might know what’s up, more or less, and I know that he believes that the work he’s doing is for the betterment of mankind.
And even if that isn’t the case, it takes all kinds, right? I’m extremely grateful for your content and his, Erik, thanks again!”
I think of his INTP/INFP video where he talks about how brilliant we are yet how we keep that from the world with laziness. I confirm his point completely from how I view myself (INTP) and my opinion of INFPs. He's not the hero we want, but possibly the hero we need.
Wow, I'm a 47 year old infj and I have Never "believed what anyone with 'credentials' says" unless I've verified it on several fronts. I've liked some of his stuff but somehow disagreed with quite a few things. He said maybe I was an infp when I commented that i disagreed one day😅. 100% sure I'm infj
Your 47 and have had plenty of time to mature so of course you probably don't have a lot of the common weaknesses/struggles he describes.
INFJs have Te trickster and that's what Te trickster does in general. Maybe you're not an INFJ and mistyped yourself? Plenty of INFJs don't verify information in general unless it's something of importance or personal interest. That's a trait of Ti heroes.
I binge watched a bunch of his videos and did pick up some valuable gems that have enlightened my thinking. Its clear he has a lot of knowledge on this particular subject. However, I definitely found his venting distasteful and noticed a bunch of concerning red flags - when he was talking about his real life relationships (eg many ex friends, people criticising him, drama) and also when he talks about himself (how expert he is, his own vulnerability is non existent) and the language around his programs (culty vibe). To me it seems he needs recognition and power.
I do wonder if he’s going to try to establish himself as a sort of guru down the track, much like a teal swan. Having had some unfortunate personal experience with cult leaders he is definitely exhibiting some of those same traits (not yet in a polished way) and I would definitely be fearful for anyone signing up for any one on one or in person programs. Sure, his “honesty” might be refreshing but don’t ignore those warning signs from your animal brain that indicate something is not quite right here.
I like CS Joseph, I think he’s the most honest.
If only he gave a disclaimer that his views are his own personal bias and not an objective truth. What is honest for him is not honest for everyone as a whole.
@@ErikThor That is very true. Everything is subjective.
@@ErikThor So every walking person has to put a disclaimer before every single one of his sentences, that it's just HIS VIEW WITH HIS BIASES??? I'm pretty sure that kids learn that fact at like 7-8 years old.
Do YOU put a disclaimer before every single one of your sentences???
No, you don't.
@@3mercutio3 When you have extremist and highly biased views, you do. That's what the video is about. There is a big difference between aspects of videos of both the creators!!
I feel sorry for you.
I’ve seen him say some pretty insane shit. Like he seems fine sometimes but sometimes he off the walls.
Ya ripped him! 😈
Even as a rougher-than-average INFP who is quite used to talking with 'salty' and abusive people, I felt a little 'attacked' and personally diminished when listening to CS. I laughed it off as macho posturing on his part...didn't really feel like I was being 'engineered' because I didn't take him seriously. Bear in mind - I _am_ older than many MBTI enthusiasts.
Relax your ego and be more open to your faults. It’s okay, we all have them.
I’ve noticed that Mr. Joseph has a great deal of hatred in his eyes when he goes on rants. It’s gotten worse as I recently watched a couple of his videos after not having watched any in a couple of years or so. The eyes don’t lie.
I always wonder if he CS Joseph is truly an ENTP
I found him quite emotional and relying too much on his experience. When speaking about types he generally self directs it to be all about his experience (strong Si usage) rather than actually giving his reason while defending it (Ti), he gives people tools (Te) on said things when asked to defend his points or what he thinks of them by telling them to go read a certain book. Ti is sort of a conviction one has on logic and will not bend to others except a logical alternative is presented. His Ne is not very strong either. He rambles alot thinking that's strong Ne but it isn't. Ne isn't rambling but more so having a wide range of ideas and thoughts while exploring them simultaneously. Ne have Si partly to remember all those ideas as they explore them. His Si seems stronger than his Ne as he is always thinking of his past experiences without exploring new thoughts Ne. He also deletes comments he doesn't agree with and that's not very ENTP. Entps generally want to debate you even when they understand their own stands on things because of their love for new ideas.
@@preciousgoje2193 You reasoning is certainly correct and your logic is sound. I’m an INTP, which means that we are very similar to ENTP’s only that our function stacks are only inverted. For instance we have TiNe, instead of NeTi. Our Ne may be not as strong as the ENTP, but still way stronger than CS Joseph, as we focus a lot more on possibilities and ideas; and combing this with our Ti when it comes to analyzing data for determining logical consistencies. Unfortunately, I see many logical fallacies in many of the assessments and judgements that he makes, and find him to be far too judgmental to be an ENTP. ENTP’s are slightly less past dwellers than us INTP, but certainly and we are far less than CS Joseph. He also tends to get far too petty and emotional for people like myself to take him seriously.
@@sylviaowega3839 His logical fallacies even to me having Ti child was quite the irritation and I can't imagine how Ti hero or auxiliary would see it.. So many things he said were bogus and far-reaching.
@@preciousgoje2193 Well as a Ti dome myself, I find his logical fallacies quite unbearable. No true NT rational would make the kind of hasty judgements grounded on emotions rather than reason
He doesn't embody Entp type because he is not an entp
What a great video, thank you, Erik. You formulate your criticism so well without bad feelings. I started watching CS Joseph's videos a couple of months ago only to discover his unethical approach. I had a bad feeling, to begin with, but it took a couple of videos to really grasp the toxicity. It's a shame because he knows so much about MBTI and could use it for a good cause.
And the name is Erik Thor.
Nice video, as always💪
INFP here. With few exceptions, I love CS Joseph's content. I've learned a lot from his lectures. His videos never make me feel bad about myself. I even like his confrontational attitude, almost always.
He criticizes everyone. He does it so they know how to grow. Sometimes it feels bad to know your imperfections and flaws. These flaws could even make other people feel bad. Sometimes you have to face some pain and humble yourself to really become wise and become a better person.
He only talks about negative stereotypes so you can avoid that behavior. It's perfectly fine if his goal isn't to overinflate everyone's ego and make them think they are perfect. That does more harm than good. The harsh truth is what people really need to hear and can benefit from.
A while back (a year or more ago), he showed up in my algorithm, so I checked his channel out for a short bit. I just couldn’t vibe w/ his ANGRY energy. He was just so caught up in his own ego, that unless/until he could reach a higher place in his own life, he would never be effective as a coach for people who sought out higher-vibrational living.
I appreciate you, Erik, for speaking truth and seeking to help people to always be/become their best selves. 🙏✨💕
I’ve seen a number of his videos. Much of the time he comes off as very immature, and makes his pain from previous romantic relationships very apparent.
I didn't know this name before watching a video of Marty Glenn, talking about it/him.
I never watched his videos, and luckily I discovered your channel and the one of Marty Glenn before.
I don't think I would ever watch his videos, everything I learned comes mainly from Frank James, LoveWho, LiJo and AsuraPsych, I love their direct approach.
Being myself INTJ (like LiJo & AsuraPsych) I identify with them.
Happy to have discovered your channel too, thank for your point of view.
I appreciate you making a video like this. I think it's good to call out bad faith actors when they present themselves instead of past the point of where they've accrued enough of a cult following, to where there's nothing much you can do to stop them from manipulating people.
CS Joseph is the best and most accurate typologist on CZcams.
When I saw this video I just knew you had to be here praising Cs joseph somewhere - haha
@@PowerRedBullTypology Thanks Red Bull. You are getting more accurate too on your channel. Which I like better than most typology channels. CSJ must be rubbing off on you!
@@jaredvaughan1665 On my channel? Which channel?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Eric the Red channel
@@jaredvaughan1665 ?
I just started following you and I always feel better after listening to your content, just sayin'. Great message today. Thanks.☀
I have learned so, so much from him. Thanks, CS!
He's made me feel like criminal for being an INFJ
No further comment on CS Joseph
(The most respectful response I can give)
I felt that way too lol
I felt bad and second guessed if I actually was all the things he said. Turns out, I'm not.
He generally doesn't like NJ women because of his Ni trickster
I never saw his videos or knew him until now, but being an INFP I'm not even going to think about watching his toxic videos, I don't even want to imagine what he says about us 🙈🤣
@@bernadette_ri5270 so you run from the truth and only look for things that make you feel good or confirm your beliefs. Nothing new, it's just what he mentions about INFPs, far from demeaning him, you only agree with him with that kind of comment.
@@tehflooper Thank you for worrying about me. It's not the right way to help someone but I guess you haven't developed that part yet, although I'm sure you can. When you want to help someone, if you really want to help, never affirm something you don't know and even less draw conclusions about their way of being (even if you know the person) don't do it, that way you'll do bad and not good. Remember, your goal is to help that person, That's what I assume when reading your comment (although that may not be your goal or motive, maybe I got confused, maybe it was just the law of reflection playing tricks on you, no idea English is not my native language, son probably I missed something. Anyway
I choose the first option since it is the constructive one. It's amazing how we are all different, right? Well, from my way of existing and feelin, when I work on my self-knowledge I always prefer people who are healthy and not driven by self-hatred, this man is clearly a sociopath or admires how sociopaths behave, his recommendations on how to manipulate are present in the more than 30 manipulation "tools" of narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths. I choose people who still retain human aptitude. Besides, only what you don't like about yourself hurts or slows you down, only if you love your "defects" you can use them to your advantage. You are ALL your characteristics, all your characteristics make you who you are, even the "negative" ones, labeling those characteristics as something embarrassing will do nothing but harm you, that's why I recommend to you, that you love your "flaws", That way you will be able to analyze them without denial and manage them in your favor, in pursuit of your growth. Good luck 💚
CS Joseph was my introduction to MBTI and personality theories, the first channel I actually sat down and watched with the intent to learn. Eventually even tried out his paid website (it wasn't good- paywalls behind paywalls.)
I walked away from his videos feeling like garbage, but feeling like maybe I could do something about it since I was now aware of what CSJ calls the brutal, honest truth of our personalities. Other than a greater familiarity with the fundamentals of functions, I only learned the behaviors CSJ assigns to various functions and types and why he hates them. It seems to me he gives cognitive functions too much importance over behavior - how we think is NOT always how we behave. Giving importance to credibility, for example, sure.. but INFJs, like all other types, still have Ti and can DEFINITELY think for themselves when healthy. (Or maybe that's just an Enneagram 6 thing, but that's a whole different personality theory.)
Anyway, yes, thank you for this video Erik. I wasn't certain about CSJ since I was a little too biased at this point, but he certainly comes off as.. a hurt person that hurts others as a result. I'm relieved to know that my intuition is working fine.
You think he hurts others people he is a hurt person? So you don't think it's possible he could be criticizing common unhealthy traits of each type for their own good, so they can grow as people and make the world a better place? Come on now...
@@SantanaBanana47 His way of making the world better is pushing the buttons of hurt, insecurity, and trauma to remind people "Hey, that hurts right? You should do something about that." He's trying to help, but he's causing more hurt in his "ends justify the means" style of coaching, which ironically (but predictably) leads to undesirable results.
Even if "tough love" is what you need in your life, CSJ is closer to emotional abuse.
@@RyuuRider I'm an intp, so I'm not really easily offended so I guess I can't understand how harsh he can seem to others.
No pain, no gain.
@@RyuuRider im an INTP myself, but his harsh criticism is exactly what i needed it allowed me to grow, understand others, and take matters into my own hand.
just don't take it too personal you'll be fine.
I don’t dislike chase but I feel like he’s super depressed over how hard his life has been which puts him in his si grip, depraved mode. He’s willing to do/say anything to get what he wants. I feel bad for him but I don’t condone him supporting manipulative methods. I like his content otherwise and hope he gets the help he needs.
I think CS Joseph’s content is more legitimate than any other content I’ve found online. To state that his content leaves others feeling worse or less or “small” is a subjective argument. As far as him including biases in his lecture’s is a thing he’s admitted more than once. I understand where you’re coming from, though I think content creators who advise others that his content is just “bad news” (I’m paraphrasing) need to really get out what they “feel” and focus on what’s actually true and verifiable.
I'm an ENFP. While every type (and every individual) probably has their own way of feeling self-conscious, I feel like us ENFPs tend to feel quite stupid and alienated, like we're somehow weird (well, we probably are). I'm saying this because when I watched a CS Joseph video about ENFPs, the bottom line of his arguments was that we are intellectually inferior to other types but we compensate for that lack of intelligence by being enormously manipulative, constantly using others for our own ends and being overall the most selfish type out there. Then he went on talking about how to "social-engineer" ENFPs into at least acting like good people, because our cognitive functions make it impossible to empathize with others and therefore intrinsically want to do good (I am paraphrasing what he was saying).
Now I am interested in the negative aspects of personality, to loosely quote Jordan Peterson, you need to be able to see the monster within you in order to reject it. I'm also not one of these "safe space" people who sometimes wilfully take offence in everything. You should be able to take criticism, you should be able to take a joke and laugh at it, for your own sake if not anyone else's. I've gazed into the deep abyss inside me and faced a lot of darkness to learn more about who I am and where I belong, which includes my worst character traits, my worst moments in life when I would hurt others and yes, use them to my own advantage. I think we all are capable of committing despicable acts, of hurting even those dearest to us. And I do think there is a case to be made about looking directly at our darkest times to see what we're capable of and to also see who we do not want to be.
My problem with CS Joseph is the following: His take is not that we all are capable of doing bad things and should find ways to improve ourselves. His attitude is one of spite. He tells certain types, in a condescending manner, that they are, due to their type, just hard-wired to be bad. He does not take into account that a) personality is not character and b) he himself is not above the MBTI spectrum of personalities, he himself has certain traits and cognitive functions that make him see the world through certain lenses and, above all, relate to certain personality types more than to others. Moreover, he has this way of bringing up his bad past experiences with certain types who seem to have screwed him over badly. That is unfortunate and something I personally (despite being labelled "unempathetic") feel sorry for. However, bad people doing bad things and him making assumptions about their personality type and taking a monolithic view of the whole rest of humanity is unfair and cynical. I actually do believe there is value in his content for trying to point out bad aspects of personality that we all should work on, but he is doing so from a very arrogant and unhealthy point of view and that's why I can't take his videos seriously because how do I know he is not just grasping for an easy explanation to why he has been treated badly in the past instead of offering us a well-researched, unbiased answer to our questions? I do have that ugly tendency to see only the negative aspects of my life, and it's not like I'm without sin. I do overindulge, I do come up with excuses, I do have weak moments in which I lie to people to get something out of them. But should I believe him that this ugly side of mine defines who I am? When someone tells you that in fact there is nothing positive about you and there is not a chance that you will ever be a good, loving person that you actually need to be manipulated into faking kindness to fit into this world, that is destructive and disheartening. Don't even get me started on social engineering, how can you unironically promote that?
Now Erik, I would like to highlight your videos as a positive counterpoint. I have only recently watched your video about the ENFP vs ENTP personality. And I recall you talking about the ENFP's tendency to view the world in a very bipolar way, to have that sort of black-and-white approach to things and that this could manifest in a negative way and may be a weakness if not channelled the right way. You had a very respectful and productive way of talking about the less sunny side of my personality without discouraging me as a viewer. Your videos do not shy away from talking about the negative side of things but always end on a positive, hopeful note, which I think is the most effective and productive way to deal with something as literally personal as your personality. You want people to improve, not feel bad about themselves, which doesn't mean stroking their egos but neither does it mean trashing them in the meanest of ways. I appreciate your content, you have been a vital source of information and inspiration when it comes to the 16 personalities and personal growth in general. Thanks for that!
I think maybe I know which video you are talking about. Was a video that went on a long tangent about drug addicts? Cause there was an ENFP video that said all those things, but, as you said, it wasn’t really about type. It seemed like a video about one drug addict he knew in particular, and then about people he knew who stole money from a church or something? I remember laughing at it because it was uniformed and absurd, but I also remember thinking, “if I had watched this on a day when I was already feeling low, this could have been really disturbing”. I’m sorry it affected you. It sounds like you are a person looking to type to try to understand yourself better by true self-examination and want to continue to grow and evolve. I think that is why the majority of people study type and that is why I get concerned thinking about people who want this kind of help stumbling upon him and feeling discouraged instead of empowered.
@@heartpoint5289 yes, it was that video, exactly. He kept rambling about how we are all drug dealers and criminals and scammers and what not. It's such a shame because I think he has a unique angle on MBTI and could contribute so much, but the way he does it now is toxic and hurtful (like deliberately hurtful, not the "truth always hurts" way).
Bravo 👏👏👏 Well said. Now only if these Fe-Ti types and Intjs wake up.
👏👏👏👏👏I read through all of these comments (it took awhile;)
So many people dissected the issue thoroughly, but when I got down to your comment, it was the one that struck me the most! Excellent:)
I’d like to add how interesting I find it that this video produced so many long, thoughtful, and even impassioned comments! There truly is a lot to say on this subject!
Having said that, I’m glad to have read your spot on comment! Thank you👍
I enjoy a lot of his content, learned a lot from him. But sometimes I disagree with him. Didn't care for the social engineering videos, only because I don't think it's right to manipulate people to get what you want, or an outcome. Especially if it's for the "greater good". Changing someone by manipulation to make the world a better place is shallow, and inauthentic. Most importantly, it's based on a lie. And it creates a power dynamic.
Sometimes, what he says is just basic MBTI or function theory, so I couldn't disagree with all of his content. Just when he starts pushing his own opinions and insecurities to others. And when he uses manipulative methods and gaslighting to make his viewers insecure.
i love INFJs very much. i have an INFJ mentor and we have such amazing agreement and similar world views but our expression is very different. it's like a sweet spot of similarity and difference (i'm INTJ). you have a very caring Fe in the responsibility of emotional care for others' well-being and your vocation definitely suits you. i do listen to cs joseph material but it is with my Ni curiosity to know all that exists even if discordant in some way, and with my Fi filter to sift through individuality or personal experiences/emotions even if dark and uncomfortable. i'm fully supportive of your message as i also agree with protecting others, especially those who might not be applying their personal "mind" filter to the content. definitely any content, no matter who it is from, deserves to be thought about and held up to our own personal scrutiny before we take it in as truth.
I also found out on one of his video that he doesn’t particularly like us NT women, especially INTJ females; -and also went on and on he had a bad experience with them. -INTP
@KimMi Right on!👍
Spot on on him putting his own insecurities in videos, it feels super weird when you're watching a video and a man is projecting himself into it.
- sincerely an ESTJ viewer
Thanks man!
I really don't have time for someone when they objectify women and show they don't respect half the human race. Your warning was called for and someone has to be the responsible one and look out for others.
Thank you, you're bringing some light on CS Joseph.. something more people need to be aware of.
I do agree that he is quite abrasive. I find that there is a lot of information that can be benefitted from in cs Joseph's content, one just has to let all the aggression and insults slide and take what is being said and not how it is being said. As an Entp, I have actually found some of his roasts rather amusing but from a mental health professional standpoint, it can most definitely be considered abusive. I do not condone it. Instead of being accusatory, he should be more empathetic and understanding - especially considering he boasts a lot of knowledge on the subject of personality typing.
Infjs in general do have a softer more gentle approach to dealing with people so I can see how his posts would be triggering to you, Eric. He is an Entp tho, and some entps don't really care how they come across to people. Ethics and morals also don't really matter unless the Entp has chosen to live by certain standards.
Perhaps he has misconstrued the concept of asserting himself and 'sacred masculinity' with being allowed to critizise and humiliate personality types so they can learn the hard way.
In my personal opinion, there are far better ways to do things. In the end though, he is making money and money does have a tendency to change people, sometimes for the better but most times for the worst.
As an infj he has many useful contents, I don't think he's entirely accurate nor does any mbti related content out there but good enough as a starter as we need more empirical proof when it comes to mbti or Jungian Psychology in general which he introduce Dr Dario Nardi in his channel which is great . I make use of any useful thing he said even sometimes the thing he said can be very painful to listen to.Tbh some people don't like csj because they don't have thick skin or projecting how other people should behave.
I disagree with him a lot but i agree with him a major amount too. But he can be self righteous, i think thats where his opinions can be misunderstood because its a fine line. Only open minded people can digest his words, sensitive or insensitive, and not to come up with a shrewd conclusion. He invites people to exercise critical thinking, but only small group of people are capable to do this. He is just brutally honest, to the point he looks like a villain. Erik you are more positive thinking, cs joseph he leads with negative thinking i.e identify problems first. We need both worlds
This sound a bit entitled "only a few open minded people can understand him". This also isn't really an answer to Eric's arguments. Instead your basically just saying "Eric you don't know, because your not open-minded enough"
Thank you for speaking out against the evil.
CSJ obsession and hatred for XNTJ women knows no bound. I cannot believe how people listen to him without throwing up. Seriously. That man spews venom. He is so full of hate against ENTJ and INTJ women that he losses all objectivity. His only goal becomes to "inform" the audience that how vicious those women are. This is highly problematic. I and a lot my fellow ENTJ and INTJ ladies commented on his recent video against XNTJ women. He deleted all the comments where people disagreed with him and aggressively called him out. He has lost his mind. He is manipulative and insecure. He is threatened by mighty XNTJ women because we call a spade a spade and call out jokers like him. He hates us. His hate speech against XNTJ women should be criticised.
Thanks for speaking out, Eric. 💙
Csj has corrupt gender views. I agree!
He generally hates NT and NJ women the most
"mighty xntj women" lmfao, just proved him correct with that entitlement
@@ewanmeek2 one doesn't have to accept the" help" another offers nor do they have to accept the said "criticism" one offers especially if you are a stranger to them. Like anyone other thing a person can choose how they wish to accept your help and said criticism and aren't obliged to pay attention. A hate or lack thereof will be irrelevant. Also what is attractive and isn't is subjective to the interpretation of the one who perceives it. NTJ and NJ women do not own anyone an audience nor power of such. Just because you are his fan doesn't mean everyone is nor everyone should. If you don't like the onservation made above, you simply do not have to listen nor care for it :)
thiking a little too highly of yourself he might not be entirely wrong.
Erik great job addressing this issue. Chase does seem very angry in his videos. I have stopped watching his content long ago. Entps are great orators and we are highly capable of championing a cause for the greater good of society. We are caring individuals that value truth...a lot lol.
ENTPs are great and I have many ENTP creators who I enjoy, this is not a criticism against ENTPs at all, who I know can be very sweet, empathetic and fascinating to listen to.
@@ErikThor if he even is entp. Personally, I don't see it
That's rich coming from someone who comments on people's age when you disagree
@@ahabalheis2478 "People's" you must be mistaken. there is only ONE person that I have commented on surrounding their age. Or perhaps English is your second language???
@@GnosticType he is ENTP he's just disgruntled and angry. It's like he's mad about his life. Unhealthy ENTPs act like stereotypical ESTJs. Narrow minded and self righteous.
I have never come across this youtuber's video. But I have always thought about the ethical problems that can come from using mbti system as something limiting to us.
We should never judge people based on the personality type;but help them understand their potential and improve themselves. ✨
Thanks for the video man. 😊
A funny thing he said about my INTP type to paraphrase CSJ: "INTPs think they can get around weak Fe and hack relationships by mastering MBTI and they are always wrong." The truth hurts. lol
I agree. He's disgusting to me and insulting and frankly creepy. Got me pretty angry the first time I stumbled across him.
There is something personal in this video. It does not sound like objective review.
Agree
For clarification r u trying to say that reviews CSJ does of other people r even more objective?
@@-G-A- He might appear to be insensitive but it is not a bias.
Finally, someone is adressing the elefant under the rug of MBTI theory
The rest of the Mbti creators are mites on that rug, trying to keep the elephant in its place.
I completely agree!
He's awful. He was the first CZcamsr I discovered in this area and it's safe to say that I just keep him around to gawk at the stuff that comes out of his mouth. And is he even an ENTP? I hope you discussed that🤣 I'm an ENTP, so naturally I just skimmed this video🤷
I see your point, and you make good arguments, but I don’t totally agree with you . You can’t always make people better without hurting their feelings . Sometimes it’s necessary, and if you hurt someone’s feelings out of necessity you can always be their for support. It can be an opportunity to grow.
I don’t know how Chase is as a person, because I don’t know him.. so I have a hard time believing what others say about him. I can see that it lies in some peoples interest to talk him down, because he says things others don’t say and it’s a threat to some, which makes it natural to defend one self.. and some want to keep their reputation and it makes people trash talking about others to make them selves looking better.. so I can’t tell if it’s propaganda or if it’s true .. or a bit Of both.
It’s not up to any of us to act judge because we don’t even know the half of it probably. And it’s harder to trust when someone gets something out of talking down on others and such.. I hope my point is not misunderstood
If you look pass the emotions you can find mr.Joseph’s words very helpfull and he takes a risk telling things no one else is willing to tell. So I admire his courage, even if he speaks much out of his own experience. He says things that can be damaging for he’s reputation, which makes it more believable that he’s not doing this for the “fame and glory” and such . Sometimes when someone hits the truth it’s just natural to make resistance and rationalise, because it’s to much for the brain to handle or something , and people really like to see them selves as good and harmless when the truth is that everyone have a “dark side “ that is so repressed in the ego.. but others are not so easily fooled and are probably not going to say anything for a various of reasons . It’s wisdom In accepting once dark side so you can use it to your and others benefit .. or else it will express it self in much uglier ways that once ego will probably repress
I agree with making new definitions and such makes it more confusing from time to time, but still I find his content making me improv in the long run.. even if it can make me feel bad about my self now and then . But much of what he says is true and helpful, and growth comes through suffering In one way or an other. Knowledge isn’t dangerous.. it’s how you use it that is dangerous . So I don’t see anything wrong with social engineering if it’s necessary to help someone. But still, it makes it easier for others to use it for their personal agendas too .. on the other side you can use the content to be more aware if someone is trying to manipulate you, which have been useful for me to shield my self from such manipulation
You wouldn't be a fellow INTP, would you. Whether someone is offended or not by him seems to be a reflection of whether they are reacting to his methods or understanding his intent. I think he's harsh and pushy, but smart and well intentioned and sees his role as trying to get us off the couch and maximize our potential for society
@@rogerhuggettjr.7675 I’m infj actually! But I get suspicious when someone sounds to nice. It takes guts to tell people the truth, or things that actually helps. It’s compassion really to say things that no one else are willing to tell, even if their reputation or such will be damaged. Sometimes it’s hard to tell who wants what’s best for others or people who just tell you what you want to hear or wants to keep their reputation.. I hope you get my point, English is not my mother tongue
@@alexanderbialonowicz5770 Your English is good. I can hear your sound INFJ reasoning, yet it seems so many of the people most triggered on this post by his tone are INFjs. It's a testimony to your maturity to go beyond his presentation to his point. Getting beyond the seemingly callous presentation to receiving the message can be a problem to many high Fi users who shut down at the perceived disrespect.
@@rogerhuggettjr.7675 thanks!
@@rogerhuggettjr.7675 I often get triggered when someone is unfairly judged, like in this video. I don’t see the point in this video.. it seems like trash talk to make him self look better , but I can be wrong . It seems like he hadn’t watched so much or reflected on cs josephs content at all, and chase often mentions that all his videos are related so you have to watch a lot to get what he’s all about . I don’t agree with all that chase say , but I can’t take it when he’s unfairly judged of someone that don’t know him and goes on assumptions.. it’s trash talking if you ask me
I don’t know anything about this CS Joseph fellow, but he does sound sus, and I understand the drive to call out others’ lack of ethics.
You focused too much on the emotional angle here. His system is crap because of numerous reasons that would take too much effort to list on a comment section. As someone who has dived into his system extensively for four years and dm’d him on numerous occasions, you can comment here on a way to contact you with more information so you can make a more factually succinct video for the people who care more about the facts (or lack thereof) about his system and methods (and so he doesn’t destroy you with a response), I’d be happy to do so.
Thanks. hello@erikthor.com 😊
Thanks man, we need you
@Erik thor @CS Joseph
Yohoooo,
It lacks maturity from your side to judge someone online based on a fragment out of context. You make people hate someone who they never came across with.
You forgot to mention the deep love he expressed for the INFJ in this video. His own child is an INFJ.
You speak so vaguely about how nobody want to work with him but forget his "how to type" video's. Seem there are collaborations that involve CSJ.
Are you rejected by him? Is there some jealousy involved?
You forget that one (CSJ in this case) is only responsible for wat he says (what he believes is true), not for how you or anyone interpreted him.
You also seem to forget that his intentions in making the "how to social engineer" has nothing to do with your so called evil manipulation.
It has everything to so with
- How to create relationships where "give and take" are balanced.
- how to achieve better teams.
- how to use each others strengths.
- how to properly raise a child.
- how to sense "evil manipulation" for potential victims.
Yes he might be harsh but is equally loving. At least he is authentic. Are you?
I follow your and CSJ's channel
Both have in my opinion good content.
The fairy godmother vs the devil's advocate.
Please appreciate the different approach he offers. You are free to "click" away according to CSJ himself.
That you got hurt or frustrated by him, has everything to do with your feelings. Not his words.
Cheers!
There is no comming to consciousness whitout pain.
- Carl Gustav Jung-
I absolutely love this.
It’s interesting but I haven’t found some of the mbti videos on CZcams to be useful. I started watching your videos and gained a lot from them. I watched one of CS Joseph’s video in the pastor and felt like he was doing a bashing on a specific personality type. What people want is help to understand and develop themselves. Not videos that feel disempowering. I like that you have made this video because it echoes something that I’ve felt but not previously commented on.
Your criticisms are quite subjective, and you don’t give very specific reasons as to why C.S. Joseph should not be heard. You’re literally doing to him what you acuse him of doing to others. While he offers criticisms of the types and their weaknesses in a general sense, you target a CZcamsr with whom you disagree and attempt to malign his character.
Just because you disagree with a methodology or with how someone communicates, it doesn’t make the person with whom you disagree a monster. You also cherry-pick from his content to make a point, which is understandable, but if you have watched his most recent video on INFJs or have seen his videos on INFJs in general, you would be able to see that he has an overwhelmingly positive view of them, just as he does the other types. Also, C.S. Joseph in no way pigeonholes the types. He has offered the most robust analysis on all of the types that go far beyond the surface level typology of many CZcams channels or websites.
I wonder if you’re jealous of his success or something. If you actually allowed yourself to hear the criticisms of your type, you might actually grow.
you can stop licking CSJ's boots now, we get it
@@laylaaissaoui-hester7638 how is he licking his boots?
You mean B S Joseph isn't subjective in his narcissistic rants?
The type grid is very efficient but he does need to brighten up a bit which I believe is one of the things holding his channel back. the gaming nature in which he looks at all of this is interesting to me and all the social engineering & whatnot. I do see what you mean about not being your authentic self and becoming unhappy through focusing too much on the “game”. I’ve came across people on Reddit who’ve talked that feeling smaller, or belittled feeling while watching him. I can’t relate because everyone has their flavor and his devils advocate commentary is needed. Mad spit will be on his camera tho lol
I only watched one of his videos several years ago and I felt a lot of "witch" vibes- meaning that he belonged to a witch community- but not that I think all witches are "bad" (most are probably good) but that I felt it in a negative (dark) way in him- like as though he was a leader of some cult, in a narcissistic way. I also questioned why his viewers couldnt sense what I sensed. On the other hand, what he said was interesting and he seemed smart. In the video I saw I dont recall him attacking anyone but maybe he did- he was generally upbeat- others I dont remember any of the other details- but I still caught dark vibes underlying his apparent happiness. This is just a theory of mine and I know it goes quite far, but I feel it is evilly intended to hurt people; his followers always say things like "no pain, no gain" and it all really reminds me of the flying monkeys in The Wizard of Oz, who enjoy and laugh at the pain he causes. The reason I say this is because it makes absolutely no sense to attack people "for good reasons"; yet his flying monkeys keep rationalizing it and acting ignorant of common sense, as if they are dumb. It all sounds like a game, and it feels like an evil game.
If you read the vibes of an individual, the vibes are true. The words can be made up. That means, while the words coming from an individual can be so wonderful and feel so great, the intent of that individual is not actually to support your viability because just interacting with that person, you already can feel the bad vibes. This is how even a primitive organism knows how to sustain its life. It moves towards anything that gives it a good vibe, and moves away from anything that gives it a bad vibe, and this is how an organism maintains its energy. The primary language on this planet is vibration. Reading vibration can enhance your life and save you from any problems that destructive interference would’ve caused.
I have wondered if all the drama with Csj is real, or is he playing a part, maybe of a lunatic villain one might see in a batman film.
indeed, it seems like comedy
In his earlier videos he was much more nomal. I have wondered if he started to act a bit weird because people did not believe he was an ENTP
I think its also something that can come with fame and the spotlight. Small bad choices repeated over the longer time with higher and higher stakes just creates really absurd outcomes.
What drama exactly?
@@ErikThor he's not even that famous... he has also made quite a few mistakes on his channel and owned up to many of them. What your saying doesn't make sense
Thank you for this! I'd watched a small amount of his videos but I stopped after my own type video: most people can give a balanced view of strengths and weaknesses of each type and most are fond or gently tolerant of the ISFJ. I know my type has blind spots and faults just the same as any other type, but his video barely mentioned any redeeming qualities but turned into a long, verbose and frankly... meanspirited rant on how bad ISFJ are to deal with, how inflexible and seemingly stupid (from a reliance on tradition) we "are". It definitely felt like he had a very bitter past experience with the shadow functions of an unhealthy ISFJ and was angrily taking that out on punishing an entire type.
I enjoy your content, but think you might be too hard on him. CS Joseph informed a lot of my early knowledge on MB and his ideas and being an INTP I needed to test as much of it as possible through cross-referencing my experience against his words. I agree with most of it, although lately he's been borrowing his sexual philosophy it seems more from Fresh & Fit than Jung and as a Christian I can't accept his anti-male monogamy beliefs. One thing I' think you have wrong is the "why" of his videos on social engineering. He isn't trying to teach others how to do this as much as see our vulnerability to it. Its shown me why ISFPs are a better fit in my life (they don't read between the lines or "Ne their Fi) than INFPs that I am drawn to, while also showing me their blind spot in seeing their weakness (Ne trickster) to see others' motives and my need to cover my significant other there. He has his flaws, but he brings a lot of insight and food for thought that has helped me develop my own thoughts on MBTI (including understanding his ENTP type better) for which I am grateful.
You are right that his purpose behind his social engineering videos is to make us more aware of how easily we can be manipulated, especially us INTP’s as the info. he gave about our vulnerabilities are a real eye opener
I am in a couple of the MBTI facebook groups and I just saw a post on the ENTP group where they were venting part of his sock puppet accounts lol. As of now, they just erased it 5 minutes ago. One of them I totally indentified immediately as a sock puppet and have never stopped calling it out without leaving out how SICK and twisted it is to actually invest that much time and energy into talking through fake profiles about his miserable beliefs in a simplistic, tongue in cheek way to lure other unhappy sacks into the bullshit pudding.
I've never watched CS Joseph but I heard on forums that he wasn't great. As someone who makes content about MBTI myself (in my native language), I try very hard not to spread misinformation or perpetuate stereotypes. The whole INFJ rant he made rubbed me the wrong way for this reason. I don't have a background in psychology so i study a lot to bring the right info with the right sources. And I like that you are aware and warning people about the ones who are not doing that.
You seem Infp to me.
Instead of just blindly believing what people on a forum say, or instead of going in with negative presuppositions about someone, why not think for yourself and decide for yourself what you think of another human being?
@@qasimimtiaz114 and i am infp. What about it?
@@bluecollin1531 you have a point. I've been doing my own research on him but didn't like most of what i saw.
@@azum7416 honestly i need to say this, i've seen many infjs defending this guy with a similar rhetoric to yours and i find it really odd that you guys think you "need" to be given "tough love" or else you're useless or something. not saying that's your case, but i've seen plenty of infjs saying something like this. sounds masochistic to me. you know you CAN be told how to improve without being mistreated, right? "honesty" does not mean ruthlessness. also, i think what he said, especially in the small snippet Erik showed, was wrong. I've never had this issue with an infj of them needing "credentials" or anything. But again, that's my personal experience against his "expertise" (which seems to derive mostly of his personal experiences anyway).
As someone who used to work for CSJ, I really appreciate this video and illustrating that people should critically think about the content they consume. Thank you!
Let's not forget how much of a misogynist he is it's pretty disgusting
First of all, CS joseph is not an 'MBTI' youtuber.
As you probably know, MBTI is a system developed by Myers and Briggs BASED on the work by Carl Jung and his theories on personality, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY SYSTEM that exist that makes use of these theories. There are other systems like *socionics* as well, which although simular to MBTI in that it makes use of the 16 personality types and is based on Carl Jungs theory on cognitive senses and introversion vs extraversion, it is also very different from MBTI in a lot if its other theories about personality and about the definitions regarding the cognitive functions.
CS Joseph follows NEITHER the MBTI or the Socionics system. Instead he follows his own system know as the type grid. So you cannot truthfully call him an MBTI youtuber!
2ndly CS Joseph's Type Grid system isnt just a bunch of made up bullshit! The starters and finishers you mentioned for example, is based on the work of Dr Linda Berens. What Cs J has done is read up on a whole bunch of books regarding the topic of jungian psychology, from the perspectives of various individuals, and systems such as MBTI and Socionics, and he has compiled his own system out of what he believes to be the most accurate bits of information out of all that he has read. Basically he took what made the most sense and what had the best logical consistency from various other peoples theories and systems, and he put them together in a system of his own!
Finally, yeah his system is more rigid than the MBTI system and yes, you could say it puts you into more of a box! But so what? CS isnt concerned with how you feel about your personality type, he is concerned with THE TRUTH about your personality type. The truth is, you either are a certain personality type or you are not. You are not some hybrid unicorn who changes type by the day.
If this is hard to wrap your head around, think of it like this:
Humans have a gene that controls if you are right or left handed. If you have the right handed gene your brain will naturally develope a preference for your right side of the body, if you are left handed, your brain will naturally develope a preference for the left side of your body. Naturally speaking, you either are right handed or you are left handed. That's that! NO other option, you HAVE TO BE one of these. Sure, if you are born left handed but you start using your right hand more, then you can eventually become ampidexterous, but genetically you are still left handed!
Same with personality type! Naturally your brain has a certain preference for what cognitive functions it uses, and how they are prioritised them. Looking at the way these cognitive functions interact, it turns out there are only 16 ways in which your brain can order them. These are the 16 personality types. Naturally you HAVE TO be one of them, not some hybrid, your not some unique little unicorn, your brain HAS to order its cognitive functions in 1 of these 16 ways! For example, you either have Ti and Fe in your top 4 or Fi and Te, not both! It's not possible. Sure, you can practise using your weaker cognitive functions, but your brain's natural preference stays the same!
So it only makes sense that your personality type is something rigid and 'box-like'.
P.S. also, another thing:
yes he gets animated in his videos, but so what? That's doesnt make his content any less truthful. And yes, you may not always feel good about what he says but you are not supposed to! Getting offended can often help your grow more than feeling good about yourself! And pointing out the weaknesses and shortcomings of each type in his content, is for the sake of helping people better themselves! Theres nothing wrong with that! Also dont get 'stereotypes' mixed up with archetypes.