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The day simon leaves talksport, is the day a lot of people stop listening. Absaloute box office
Exactly, Phil..imagine just being in a curry house listening to that over a Bhuna or something
@@joeharry6820 fact about it pal
Well said Philip
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the payers it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros. Lastly, a problem that used to affect England greatly but is less relevant now is the lack of skillful technical players in general and particularly on the wings and in central midfield. This last problem was only recently addressed by the English FA around 2012, and is only bearing fruit since the 2021 euros.
Can we remove Keown, Sinclair and Agbonlahor from TalkSport and get people with a brain cell?
What, like you?
Oh.
Wait.
@@nicksmith833 Considering Agbonlahor said he'd take Kane over Ronaldo in a final, then yeah of course.
100%
@@nicksmith833 ratiod
Amen to that!
Andy Townsend for one
Martin keown is just a yes man you’d never think he once played for arsenal and England absolutely clueless
clueless at the highest level
He needs a slap
he's after a job at the FÀ
Keown is like Southgate a yes man.
He’s right about foreign opinion of England though.
Simon Jordan absolutely bang on the money!
Agreed. Southgate is inept, lost both games by playing two cm's Vs 3 with the opposition
Top LAD
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the payers it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros. Lastly, a problem that used to affect England greatly but is less relevant now is the lack of skillful technical players in general and particularly on the wings and in central midfield. This last problem was only recently addressed by the English FA around 2012, and is only bearing fruit since the 2021 euros.
Most of you just want to disagree with simon,for the fun of it,but the man is saying the facts,southgate is not good enough period,when u look at the players he has at his disposal but like simon said,he doesn't change at all.
or you can just realize you don't have solid enough CBs to play an attacking system hence you need to protect the goal. Knockout tournaments are most often won by non-attractive teams. Look at Chelsea!
In 2018, he had Alli, Lingard, Loftus Cheek, Lallana, Henderson, Pickford, Rose, Delph, Dier, Maguire...an absolute BOTTOM half PL team except Harry Kane+Sterling.
I agree. Not good enough.
@@palashrawat401 White over Maguire. Ramsdale over Pickford.
Tbh most of the comments like usual are agreeing with Simon 👍🏻
The italy and croatia games had the same story: early lead, then esentially tried to hold the lead and not kill the game off or at least manage the game well and looked as if england were waiting for them to equalise around the 67/68 minute mark (italy 67, croatia 68). Simon is right, everyone could see the italy goal coming
Everyone except Southgate, who only reacted after the goal went in.
@@involuntarilychad4048 and keown. Who thought that everything was going well because he assumes the team in the lead is playing the better football
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the players it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros. Lastly, a problem that used to affect England greatly but is less relevant now is the lack of skillful technical players in general and particularly on the wings and in central midfield. This last problem was only recently addressed by the English FA around 2012, and is only bearing fruit since the 2021 euros.
I said it during and after the game mate!! Finally someone had the metal to call it out. Did not unleash Grealish soon enough also
@@denethorofgondor4567 a lot of excuses and misconceptions to what England football is all about. It’s the foreign influence that powers English football. Without it English football sucks. I think that goes without saying. English players exhausted? It’s not just them though is it? Our top teams consist of a bunch of foreign players (who are also exhausted) along with only a few English players who play for England. Reality is and always has been… England are not good enough because English players are not that great. Hopefully one day they will be, but they aren’t and haven’t been for decades. We have had some really good talent and we continue to have good talent. Other nations are just superior. That’s how it usually goes down.
I swear Martin Keown has been replaced. He's turned into a sycophantic coward full of excuses. There's no way the Keown of 20 years ago would accept this nonsense.
Too many Yes men in the media when it comes to Southgate, Simon spot on
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the payers it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros. Lastly, a problem that used to affect England greatly but is less relevant now is the lack of skillful technical players in general and particularly on the wings and in central midfield. This last problem was only recently addressed by the English FA around 2012, and is only bearing fruit since the 2021 euros.
Jordan is talking straight facts. Having an easy draw is genuinely on of the best ways you can win a tournament, and we had great runs TWICE. Southgate is mediocre at best
Once again… agree with Simon 100%
We were lucky in both tournaments with the draws and in both I remember watching the games we lost thinking…. Southgate needs to change something and he didn’t.
Myself and the guys that I watched the games against Croatia and Italy were all saying “change something”, but he didn’t. He only changed things against Italy once they’d scored…. And everyone could see that goal was coming
I think that playing catenaccio against Italy was one of the worst tactics I've ever seen. Especially as Italy was not playing catenaccio but attacking consistently, with England all in defense.
That Italy was the worst I've seen in my life, in terms of talent, but they were a group.
England was one of the best England sides, I lived in London for 16 years, but the tactics were counter productive and they were waiting for time to pass. It was just a matter of time before we scored, and honestly it shoudln't even gone to penalties. But it did, and in the end it was fine margins that made us win it. With a better and more positive attitude, England should have won it.
Good luck for the WC, with a better attitude, England has good chances, and depending on the draw, can make a statement.
@@Robsville that’s a gratuitous and sportsman like response 👍.
For me Italy deserved to win the Euros as they played some great free flowing football… can’t believe they’ve not qualified for the World Cup
Ha ha ha lucky!!!! You and the guys sound like experts 😂😂😂
@@dominicmurphy6856 thanks…. What’s your view?
@@spendover My pleasure, I called England home for many years and I have a lot of friends there, so I know how important is to win in football there too.
Italy is out to WC after losing one game in 3 years...well, we need more goal scorers, that's it. It is not a top squad, and maybe if we played the old way of defending and counter attack maybe we would have won, but it's the right way forward and maybe this will shake players to concentrate on other skills. In the end football has cycles, many nations didn't qualify before (England and France in the 90s for example) and now are top level, so the only way is up, I hope.
As we say in Italy "There isn't 2 without 3, so...let's hope on the next WC) ;)
Simon is 100% correct !!!
Simon is probably the most honest man in msm that’s why the old cronies don’t like him got the balls to say it how it is well done mate Southgate is a yes man
Simon Jordan.
The man who gives all you England fans a dose of reality. Love it.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
What? Most of us are realistic most of us support what he's saying about Southgate 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Do you see us disagreeing with him? No… In fact we agree with him and sing his praises for highlighting Southgate’s and England’s issues and failures and the problems behind them.
We love Simon he ain’t gonna sugarcoat what’s happening like 95% of the rest of the media.
Dose of reality? We agree with him you muppet. Southgate is awful
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the payers it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros. Lastly, a problem that used to affect England greatly but is less relevant now is the lack of skillful technical players in general and particularly on the wings and in central midfield. This last problem was only recently addressed by the English FA around 2012, and is only bearing fruit since the 2021 euros.
People sticking up for Southgate are utterly clueless
Martin the one of the worst pundits I ever did see he’s views are beyond me 😂😂
Him and Trevor are neck and neck for that honour. Both wrong at literally any debate.
@@samwize28 😂😂 you ain’t wrong my friend
Keowns gushing praise for Italy has proved to be nonsense, they couldn't quilify for the WC after flopping against Switzerland, and a group with N.Ireland, Bulgaria and Lithuania ?
@@samwize28 what about Gabby!?
@@dondamon4669 oh jeez. not far behind indeed!
I remember listening to Cundy and Goldstein after the final and they were soo adamant Southgate got he's tactics 100% spot. Cundy must have been too busy sniffing lines and didn't see the actual game and Goldstein just thinks he's always right
I remember that video a fan called up criticising Safegate and Candy got angry and slapped the mic lol
@@pizzagateisreal yeah haha they made me soo mad defending Southgates tactics
Bang on, man!
@@Dannye70 they were genuine criticisms too
The amount of talent England has, they should be winning world cups back to back.
I hope you know Simon that everyone is listening to Talksport just because of you.
are you for real?
@@TheSixYardBox yes I am, find me one single position that they don't have world class players in.
Their squad is jacked.
Rice, Foden, Saka, Kane, Tomori Arnold, James, Chillwel, Stones, Sterling, Bellingham, Sancho, Ramsdale.
And I'm missing quite a few, but it helps paint the picture, England have the best squad after France maybe
Spot on Simon. Let's be honest if England were on the other side of the draw they probably wouldn't have got as far as they did in 2018 and 2021. It'll take something similar to even have a chance of reaching the finals.
When they come up against a top team in form i.e Belgium and Italy, the cracks show
Hallejujah. As said, Southgate has achieved some terrific things but sad as it is, it may take another manager to get England to the level we have always dreamed of.....which they can do.
💯 everyone knows this….
Ferdinand's arrogance before the Italy final was off the scale Italy were on a 30 game unbeaten run and he literally said England basically just had to turn up to win.
That's because he is a moron.
Plug Ferdinand is a phoney on and off the pitch.
Yeah, because Ferdinand is an idiot!
And this italy side couldn’t reach the next wc
100% Simon is correct, vs Croatia Everyman and his dog could see how that game was panning out, and Southgate didn’t have the balls or knowledge to change it, we waited and waited and in the end both teams scored and went on to win the game. Same happened vs Italy
So true. England took early leads but then they started to get dominated, and Southgate just stood there frozen both times with his fingers crossed that the inevitable wouldn't happen.
Simon has said what most genuine England fans believe !
When we came up against quality opposition in the Euros and the WC we were found wanting. Southgate is reluctant to change his formation and system in a match, even when it's clearly not working.
Keown hasn't a clue, a decent manager would have won the Euros and the World Cup
klopp or pep.....win both
Even when England had a good manager like Capello and a great set of players, they still couldn't win it.
@@dararohan1209 if he had the scrub opponents that southgate had alongside the home advantage, he would have
Gareth is a scared manager. Whenever England plays a decent team they play five at the back. I feel as though today in football you have to take the attack to teams.
You can play attractive football no matter the system.
Not necessarily attack as such but have the ability to control the game. The manager instils a negative defensive mentality into the team, you know how many good players England have? Southgate is taking the piss
@@safcjoe7062 or you can just realize you don't have solid enough CBs to play an attacking system hence you need to protect the goal. Knockout tournaments are most often won by non-attractive teams. Look at Chelsea!
@@palashrawat401 we had John stones who's good on the ball. Plus I don't mind the system if we control games which we did most of the time in the euros.
@@safcjoe7062 Stones is good..but Maguire, Shaw, Walker don't give anyone confidence. People keep criticizing Southgate for playing a defensive system but I say he has self awareness of his team's weaknesses. And in knockout football defensive systems (if working) don't lose.
Took Rashford and Sancho off the bench after 120mins to take penalties in final
Says it all!
I totally agree I'll never forgive his naff tactics and substitutions in the euro final
Totally agree with Simon. Imagine if Venables had this squad? Glenn Hoddle also now would have a field day. A bang average manager should be winning things with this talent at their disposal.
Simon is spot on!
We went 1 up against Croatia after about 15 mins and lost we went 1-0 up against Italy after 5 mins and lost what has Southgate learnt?
I loved Keown as a player & was surprised to see him walking around in NYC. I was going to get a picture but then remembered that he's not the man he used to be & decided to keep it moving.
Simon is bang on, in both games Southgate froze and was too slow to change things when England were getting dominated.
Martin doesn't seem intelligent enough to understand Simons point. He headed a lot of footballs.
‘Bang on’ do you all need to keep using these stupid phrases?
@@CMJames weird comment.
@@fraz6354 or you can just realize you don't have solid enough CBs to play an attacking system hence you need to protect the goal. Knockout tournaments are most often won by non-attractive teams. Look at Chelsea!
With Martins analysis here are you sure he has not been heading bricks?
Thank you! I will listen to this podcast now more. Someone in the English press finally acknowledged how easy England’s match ups have been in the last two major tournaments. They got lucky, not saying they didn’t deserve to get far in 2018 and 2020 but the draws didn’t hurt for sure.
Germany's run to the 2002 Final was way easier
@@rohithraman6488 and...?
@@broderickfall People are talking as if England's run was easiest
@@rohithraman6488 nobody said England's run was the easiest, just that it was easier than most. Compare it to France's run.
England failing to make the semis would have been a disaster. But they did and came short against a quality side... just like they fell against Belgium, Twice
Martin is so confused pmsl. He basically argued against his own point and made it clear that Southgate messed up. Simon didnt even have to say much
It's not that difficult for keown to confuse himself
it's very simple, England have one of the best squads they've ever had and probably one of the two best international squads in the world, Southgate should be winning games more convincingly and should've beat Italy before it ever got to penalties.
Well said, but Italy outplayed them with their attacking style while England played catenaccio against Italy and hoping to go to penalties. Italy with a mediocre side, the worst I've seen in my life, beat one of the best England sides.
To win it, you have to want to win it, and not to hope on penalties kicks.
Instead of just looking at Southgate, why don't you also praise Mancini cause maybe he changed his gameplan at half time cause most of the first half England were the better side and Mancini saw that and tweaked it at half time? Yes Southgate should have gone for a second to kill them off but I'm just looking at the other side
The audacity in these comments. Nothing has changed for decades clearly. England aren’t good enough. They have never been good enough. How people like to delude themselves when assessing historical events. We all watched the game not so long ago. Italy we’re not mediocre. Italy we’re by far the best team of that tournament. It was close between italy and France. England were not expected to win anything. It’s as a miracle they got to the final. Unbelievable.
@@samueldavids3704italy wouldn’t be mediocre if they qualified for the next wc but their failure meant they were perfectly there for the taking
If france had the amount of home advantage that england had, they would’ve easily won the tournament meaning england would’ve too if southgate wasn’t a clown
Simon is right. Until England beats a top team on form in a major tournament, We can't say England are near the best for this World Cup. Taken to penalties by Columbia and maybe Denmark if it wasn't for the late pen. 2018 lost twice to Belgium, in 2021the only team on form were Italy, who dominated the game and most likely would have won in 90minutes if they had a top striker.
We would have a better idea if the runs were harder in these tournaments & beating the likes of France, Spain & Brazil etc but going out in the quarter finals. Getting to Semis and Final without playing the very best doesn't sit right.
I agree. Although people tend to forget we did beat Germany at the World Cup.
@@singalexsong It wasn't a Germany Team on form this time any other tournament Germany are one of the best. But at home against that version of Germany is a good result but not a great one. They just come off a 2-2 draw with Hungry and a lost to North Macedonia few months before.
i'm guessing you missed the England - Germany game
IMO England are something like 6th or seventh best in the world. The part where I disagree with almost everyone is that Gareth Southgate is not the problem. I believe the squad as a whole is not as good as people think. Interestingly I think that if all the players on England's roster (especially players like Grealish, Sancho and Foden) are at peak fitness and are playing near their best at the time of the tournament england would rise to 3rd or 4th best in the world. Sadly, nearly every tournament most of England's players are exhausted mentally/physically from an excessive domestic schedule, which is a combination of domestic tournaments and the premier league, and often players are just coming back from injuries.....think Henderson, Maguire, Grealish and Sancho this past euros. English football is not designed to help the English national team, nor is it designed to aid in the development in native English talent. Football in England primarily serves as a cash cow for International billionaires like kroenke, the glazers, the Saudi Arabian royal family etc. Why would anyone think that these detached oligarchs care about the good of England and the payers it produces. Often times I hear people say that less games or a winter break would be coddling the English players. This has nothing to do with the heart of the issue. I would not lessen the load out of a misplaced sense of false compassion for the players but instead because I would like to have a team of physically fit and sharp players like Spain seems to always have (even when they disappoint in a tournament) instead of lethargic, exhausted and half-injured players like England had at the 2010, and 2006 World Cup, and the 2016 euros.
@@jamienpatel2803 germany are not what they used to be they have serious troubles atm we have a much better team and it wasn't exactly a convincing win either if muller took his chances we would of lost
Absolutely threw that game away because he didn’t have the nuts to see it through .
Known simply doesn't have the ability to verbally joust with SJ but it is funny watching him try 😄
With such a talented team in England, Southgate is lucky to have the post as Manager; he was SO lame in that final Euro game. He has done a good job with the team spirit though BUT he lacks on the tactical side...England should be at least in the semifinals of the WCup.
He seems to be good with the preparation, but he’s not very good at managing the actual match, especially if things aren’t going well. England would benefit from having a “match” manager
Jordan is spot on - two kind draws in two competitions is the only reason England got to a semi and a finals, nothing to do with Southgate and his negative tactics. Oh look, Qatar World Cup has given England an easy group with Iran, USA and one of Wales/Scotland/Ukraine, cue the love in from certain sections of the media 🙄
As unfair as it might seem, it always feels like England succeeds in spite of Southgate.
Martin's mental gymnastics are amusing to observe. Simon once more wrecking him with clear and consistent logic.
Simon spot on as always . Don't know why martin can't see the reality
I imagine Keown has lost 1 IQ point every header he's made.
Simon is hit and miss but he's 100% on the money here. A careful, pragmatic manager who fumbled two golden chances
Your first sentence is wrong - Simon is gospel 😂 Your second sentence is the best description of Safegate on the Internet 👌
One chance, the euro's. France would have dicked us in the final.
Yes, with this Squad there should be way more possible at the Euros..Simon is right!
The tactic from Southgate was poor..Even with myself as a Coach England had won the Euros!..Greetings from Germany ✌️
Nowhere near good enough. Every time we come up against good sides we fall short.
Germany croatia denmark aren't good sides?
@@safcjoe7062 no correct, they are not good sides
@@MrLewbaah what just cos we beat them? That's always a theme. If england were to win that final everyone would've said that Italian side "wasn't the team it was".
@ENGLISH FOOTBALL PODCAST scotland didn't beat croatia🤣
@ENGLISH FOOTBALL PODCAST germany have cl winners in their squad how are they not the team they were?
Southgate has created the perfect basis for the england squad in terms of the setup, staff, ethos, ect. But he isnt a good enough coach, there are so many better options that are far superior to him tactically
Southgate is limited in experience and as a manager the croatia semi and Italy final showed flaws in his poor tactical choices Only thing Keown is good for is jumping at players for missing a last minute penalty
Then complaining about players being violent/disrespectful. He's a walking oxymoron.
Southgate been in charge for more than 4years an u still don't know what is there style of play!!
We will never win a major tournament while Southgate is at the helm
it was a home tournament. couldnt win it at wembley. that's underachieving
I would’ve preferred Southgate showed courage in that final and go for the jugular against Italy. If Italy rose to match us and we lost on pens I could live with that rather than coaching cowardly.
Totally agree, considering we were at home his approach was embarrassing.
This Martin clown literally loses every argument, take him off. Get someone who can actually offer Simon Jordan a real rebuttal, because he was spot on while Martin just whines and acts like that's a counter argument.
Simon made Keown his son again today......brilliant 😂😂😂
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Totally agree with Simon, not only do I agree they had an easy draw in the last 2 tournaments but played boring poor football
Southgate got us to the semi final and the final due to favourable draws and then when his management skills were needed he lost us both the games. Against Croatia everyone was screaming out for a change which he didn't do and then Against and ageing Italy side we got a lucky goal in the second minute and then for the next 88/92mins it was 10 men behind the ball. Everyone was saying around the 55th minute take back control of the midfield and we win the game but he didn't do it. Then in the penalty shoot out grealish puts his hand up to take a penalty but Southgate didn't allow him to take one. Instead he asks a 18 year old kid in the biggest game he'll probably ever play in to take the last kick clearly seeing how badly he was struggling in that game. That's not it he brings on Rushford who didn't even warm up properly and sancho who didn't even get many minutes. My view is Southgate lost us both winnable games due to his tactical ineptitude. If the same thing happens in Qatar it'll be time to beg Pep to come and take over this squad of players.
Simon Is just pure class. Speaks brilliantly well.
Simon Jordan is spot on most of the time and the others don’t even argue the same point and completely misunderstand the point he’s making
Less passing sideways and back, if I was manager and saw that they'd be getting in that car, fucking off home and not coming back.
Simon is right in the sense that critique of Southgate has to be nuanced. He's not a terrible manager. He's done a number of good things. Does he have what it takes to get the details right to actually win it this time
Simon spot on
To be perfectly honest most managers could get England to semis and finals. Southgate has not done anything spectacular. Could be said that he has failed not to win a trophy with the riches of talent available.
Considering it was the final since 1966 I don’t think that statements true
@@dylandench8684 what has happened in the past has no relevance to the current talent England have.
@@dylandench8684 The FA has continually picked terrible managers. Sven, McLaren, Capello, Hodgson, Southgate. The best they sack, Venables, Hoddle or not even employ - Redknapp.
@@fraz6354 we had arguably better talent in the golden generation and got nowhere near a final
@@macoooos9204 yes that awful manager Southgate who got us to a final
Martin Keown, "the problem was, we scored early on" that's it, I've heard everything now.
The notion that Gareth Southgate is a manager who can make crucial, influential, in-game decisions is frankly for the birds. With the greatest will in the world, if Mancini was England's manager in that final, England do not lose that game. But, ultimately, we are now moving into the territory of rewriting history, that Gareth Southgate is a manager in which any criticism of him is now unjust. I cannot understand that.
Simon Jordan - Absolute LAD.
Yeah Mancini is so amazing, aye. Can't wait to see them at the World Cup.
YES SIMON!! Thankyou 👏🏼
As long as he learns from the process and changes it next time round? What is Keown on? Does anyone really think we're going to get to another World Cup semi final. We've had 2 chances, 1 in WC semi final and didn't take it, another in the Euros final and we flopped again. We aren't going to get to another final, let alone a WC final anytime soon. It ain't happening. Deluded.
I know, its as if he thinks its ok to waste golden opportunities when you get them. Hes fucking stupid.
Brilliant points made by Simon
It will be the same story again , the minute we come up against a decent team we will lose.
as much as gareths a top bloke that last euros was ours to lose - he played with the handbrake on against a aging italy team - no excuses
Hes a puppet woke joke.
I was on the plane to Brazil in 2014 and down wandered a shaven headed Keown with a beer in hand from first class “you off to Brazil lads?”. Absolute fucking class and had time for everyone. Proper nutter but a nice bloke!
I agree 100% with Simon and have said so ever since the World Cup - how far into a cup completion you get is not as significant as the quality of the teams you play against when determining how well the Head Coach has done - Keone’s opinion is worthless - he is a clown just like most of the ex players on Talk Sport - they lack the intelligence to argue convincingly with SJ
Martin and Trevor and the 2 person who'd back players and managers no matter what
Anybody on here aware that Venables didn’t make one substitution in the semi final in Euro 96? He had Robbie Fowler and Les Ferdinand on the bench and didn’t even bring them on for penalties. Maybe being in that high pressure situation can make even the best managers freeze.
England were the better team in that semi final though, and missed two golden opportunities to win the game. Anderton hit the post and Gazzas chance.
Not a massive fan of Simon but he's so correct. Literally bang on the money. Wtf Is Keown talking about it... Italy had 1 attack and scored?? They were battering us 35 minutes onwards, anyone with a brain could see that goal was coming. Southgate deserves plenty of praise for bringing the squad together but tactically he's not on that level.
Southgate is to England as Solskjaer was to United. They Might go on meaningless unbeaten runs but when the push comes to shove, they default to a clueless rabbit caught in the headlights. It’s Pure madness that we’re having to be put through it for a third time this winter. An elite manager would be winning things with this elite squad of talented players.
Simon Jordon 100% spot on with his assessment of Southgate ! Gareth Southgate hasn't learned a damn thing since 2018 world cup. All he knows is how to be a virtue signaling 'woke' yes man. I hope Southgate can prove me wrong, but I won't be holding my breath.
Penalty decisions were shocking.
Simon spot on again , England always fall at the last hurdle just not got the final killer touch when playing bigger teams .
What? We've literally fallen once at the last hurdle in our whole history. Two finals. One won, one lost.
I’m Brazilian and I want Brazil to play against the top teams in the group stage. Like that I will find out straight way if they can do well. England must play against the difficult teams on the group stage to see how good they are. It’s not good play easy group. Brazil has been give fake hope every time they play against easy group
It's the English mentality. We don't have that winning mentality that to be the best you have to beat the best. It's more about survival and hoping for a miracle.
@@darkbee2359 England has very good squad but World Cup isn’t about who has the best squad it’s about who put the work as team.
So many of these pundits, particularly those on Talksport, are such ass kissers of current British players and Southgate. Martin is being ridiculous here.
Well said Simon, spot on. Been saying it for ages. Anyone that knows anything about football will agree with this man.
End of the day he gave us something to cheer for, which hasn’t been for a long long time.
but unfortunately he isn’t good enough
Simon is right…..
Gareth didnt just replicate his mistakes against Croatia in the final, he’s replicating the same mistakes he made at Boro. I remember boro playing arsenal, we went 1-0 and then we just sat back hitting long to arsenal just inviting attack after attack we knew an equaliser was coming but he never changed it, they equalised late on.
spot on 👍👌
Simon is spot on. When we come up against a top side we fail and Southgate gets out thought tactically. He's not totally at fault though, he's not on the pitch. The players need to take some responsibility
Everyone wants to disagree with Simon, and usually because they have no clue! Keown is like Murphy a yes man and a plank!
100% agree with Simon’s comments
I think the point Keown misses from Jordan is that Southgate seems unable to adapt in real-time, in game, when things aren’t working he’s unable to come up with solutions. Yes he’s adapted his system since 2018 , but whatever system it is, top nations in big semis and finals find ways to counteract it and so far Southgate has shown he is unable to deal with this.
As soon as we play a decent side in knockout stages we are shown to be what we really are. Everyone gets excited beating crap sides in the qualifiers but when the big guns appear just not good at game management hope we have learned this time.
Guys he has the most exciting talent in Europe and we play just like we always do England level dull...boring dull football...
Theres a reason millions of us who love football hate international breaks and at the same time we have a week off from footy....
He should have done better, the final was there for the taking and he bottled it with his defensive approach
Excellent analysis from Simon.
After the Euros anyone who criticised St Gareth was treated as a heretic.
The simple fact is that for the World Cup and the Euros we had the easiest run in possible.
We have possibly the best, most skillful squad since '96.
Where we have failed is with Southgate's tactical ineptitude and his inability to make changes on the fly and adapt to what is happening on the pitch.
I'm always reminded of Mike Tyson's quote 'everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face'. That will be Southgate's epitaph.
I can accept England losing, I realise you simply cannot win everything. What I can't accept though is the boring, negative football we play under Southgate - there is no joy in the game.
After the Euros I remember feeling depressed knowing that the result would mean we'd have Southgate for the WC and potentially we would squander yet another chance to win the trophy that has eluded us since 1966
Keown is so far out of his depth.
Southgate failed in the last two tournaments because, ultimately we were there to win it.
We've progressed for sure and that is highly commendable.
But, ultimately the aim is to win, and at that Southgate has failed.
He has his chance in Qatar, but if he fails again, its time to look at another manger.
The best thing Southgate can do is to progress himself and believe in a principal of risk and taking a chance and seeing that opportunity.
totally agree with simon England need to be brave at crucial moments to win a tournament. So far we have been found wanting.
Simon is dead right, Southgate didn't react to system changes by the opponents in the big games.
For the first 10 seconds of this i thought Keown was a still thumbnail…
Ultimately you parachute a manager like Howe or Potter in and England have likely won the euros and the World Cup and are challenging for another cup. Southgate has lucked out on the most talented group of English players in decades and yet continually refuses to use the most talented ones (Foden Grealish Sancho Tomori) relying on the same players that were vaguely functional in 2018 like Maguire And Sterling. His obsession with Kane even when he’s out of form when you have great strikers like Abraham on the bench is insane. He’s not a bad manager but he’s like Ole good vibes and no tactics
potter!! Lmao.. Brighton are on course to lose 7 on the bounce, they have scored 1 goal in that time! They play boring sideways football...HE is a couple of defeats away from the sack at Brighton..no thanks.
or you can just realize you don't have solid enough CBs to play an attacking system hence you need to protect the goal. Knockout tournaments are most often won by non-attractive teams. Look at Chelsea!
Agree with Simon