5 Solas and Reformed Protestantism | Ep 137
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FYI, “How to be Christian” made a response to your video (at least a portion of it)
I've been going to a Reformed church for the past year & currently studying doctrines, which I never specifically studied before. (I.e. justification, sanctification etc.). What I'm learning is basically what I already believe based on the Word of God & how the Spirit has taught & led me
Ma'am, this was a pleasant surprise. I, erroneously, thought you might be LDS because of The Blaze but it is refreshing to find such a public figure that is reformed.
My Hunger for truth in the Bible led me to the reformed theology and it took a years for it too sink but after it finally proved itself it has been glorious,
I just watched this for the first time and I have never heard of these before! I have found the longer I am a Christian I desire to know what I believe and why I believe it and not to let fads or feelings dictate doctrine! Thank you so much for sharing!!! I want to know more!! I love your Podcast and I watch/listen on CZcams!!
You "desire to know what you believe?". Allie Beth claims for herself the authority she denies the Catholic Church. She is your pope.
I so appreciated this and hope not to loose it. Praise be to God for you.
Your explanation of Soli Deo Gloria in particular is so beautiful and passionate. It welled up something within me
For those who believe in Sola Scriptura, at what point in history did it become the rule?
About the time of reformation, certainly was not before then. Reformers forget that for 1500/2000 years Christ and his church completely rejected this notion
It was always thus but it began to be articulated with Augustine. The actual Solas were finally articulated with the 1st and 2nd wave reformers.
@@j.chriswatson6847 with respect, in my opinion, Augustine would have held to one, possibly two of the TULIP (but in a different meaning than the reformers view) but he would have rejected Sola Scriptura and the wayward determinism (meticulous) of John Calvin and Co later on it history. The post Apostolic early Church did not suddenly apostatize and then the truth was picked up (somehow) by Augustine and stuck on steroids at the Reformation; no, Augustine is the one who added novelties to the already existing view and consensus of the first three centuries regarding predestination and election. (via the influence of his fatalistic dualistic manichean past). That early consensus has also carried on down to this day in all the Eastern churches and in a majority of the Western ones too! X
@@emilesturt3377 Respectfully, I never contended that Augustine believed in all of TULIP. Even Luther was not on the same page with most of the reformers, especially in terms of the Eucharist. Calvin and Co, as you put it were certainly not infallible but they, with equal certainty, were more scripturally orthodox than the RMC or Eastern traditions of the same. The apostasy of the Roman faith developed as they moved farther away from the apostolic age and, later, canonized scripture. They become a temporal political organization that elevated men to equal station with the God head and practiced a form idolatry and necromancy that would actually supplant Christ, grace, repentance, and the rest of of Christian orthodoxy with blasphemy and heresy. While Calvin was, indeed, meticulous and rigorous, as was Knox and the Puritans later, their rigor was an understandable defense against the dangers of the romanized church. The Roman church was, and is, simply a re-branded and more streamlined version of the Empire.
As for predestination, it is, admittedly, a hard concept to accept as truth. It took me 40 years to square that circle, in the end, it is the only theology that makes sense once you accept the Sovereignty of God. It boils down to the dead being unable to choose life or the biblical examples of God CHOOSING whom He will and won't give to Christ as His bride.
Thank you for your well thought out reply. Yes, sorry, I know you wer'nt arguing for the "tulip" and Augustine. I quite agree with the wayward ness of certain innovations of the Roman Church, but personally I still see that the Orthodox and Catholic Communions have maintained the pre Augustinian and more faithful to Scripture position regarding the nature of Providence, humanity and what God determines or merely permits. We are only left with having to square a circle when our presupposed hermeneutic dictates that we have to somehow find a way of God determining (in Calvin's view) ALL events, actions and decided upon thoughts, and yet somehow not being the author of evil, Who "ordains whatsoever comes to pass"
(For anyone interested who's reading this comment) In line and consensus with Church fathers like, Justin martyr, Clement, Irenaeus, Origen, Cyril, Athanasius, the Cappadocian's etc (bar the later thoughts and writings of Augustine) John of Damascus sums it all up well in his writings on Providence in the 7th century. There is a brilliant article as well on John cassian. Type in "The Curious Case of St John Cassian". He is often labelled a heretic by many reformed, but in fact, as this article clearly shows, he was a brilliant man who simply upheld the classical view in light of the aftermath of the Pelagian controversy.
Peace in Christ (even though we might all have to agree to disagree at times) ✌️
This is so good. Thank you Allie! 🙏❤️
As a Catholic convert who used to believe all of these “solas” because the opposite is tradition added to the Bible etc. And tradition = catholic, and catholic = wrong. I now find it interesting that people don’t even see that these “solas” ARE a kind of tradition. Protestants just started a new traditional way to teach the faith. The way to teach the faith and interpret scripture is the def of tradition to a Catholic. So Protestants do have (albeit different) traditions without even realizing it. But thanks be to God for the gospel we do have in common 😊 God bless!
The 5 solas are based on scripture and scripture alone. Your tradition, if not supported by scripture, can burn
Jonathan 102501 I found Catholic traditions and teachings to all be based on Sacred Scripture. Or trust me, it never would’ve become home☺️. “Tradition” just means to pass on. In Catholicism even scripture is a part of tradition because there was a time people practicing the faith didn’t have the New Testament. It took hundreds of years after Christ before those specific books were agreed upon as revealed by God and became settled “canon”. Then the next step in Sacred Tradition was God revealing how to interpret Sacred Scripture. It’s not just a bunch of made up stuff just because, I promise. It’s all tied to Scripture.
@@GratiaPrima_ Out of interest - what is the pope to you?
Melissa Eberhart yes it’s about the interpretation of scripture, but only the HOLY SPIRIT should be your guide.
@@Jonathan-sd8kg yet Scripture itself, refutes the man made tradition of Scripture alone. Faith alone is also refuted by Scripture. 6 of the 12 Apostles taught with oral authority and never wrote anything down. Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, built His Church on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was even written or that later determined which of the over 75 letters written, were to be included in the new testament and which were not. The same Church authority in Peter the rock and sole key holder, who stood up and put an end to all the debating at the council in Jerusalem, since Scripture alone could not, as the manifold wisdom of God is revealed through the Church. You are in my prayers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
I know this is an older video, but I love your channel. As a fellow Protestant, this sums up perfectly why I subscribe to the Five Solas.
I follow the Bible. I rightly divide the truth. I pray and follow the Holy Spirit. I worship Jesus. I never knew of the 5 solas. But now that I've heard this, I totally agree with it. All 5 of these "solas" give us a strong foundation for a true relationship with Jesus. Whats the problem? There is nothing to argue with here.
It’s a common myth the Luther translated the first German bibles. The were Bibles in German centuries before Luther.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_German#Luther's_Bible
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The joke on infant baptism & presbyterians lol i cant. I love my presbyterian brothers and sisters 🥰💗🙏🏼
Thank you Allie, very much appreciate the episode and your loving boldness
Luther was correct to an extent: there were practices in the Catholic Church of his day that were unbiblical. However, the Bible itself says nothing about sola scriptura being the ONLY path to salvation. That being the case, sola scriptura was strictly Luther's invention. It sounds logical and Protestantism makes a case for it - but it isn't in the Bible. This was the point that first lead Catholic apologist Scott Hahn to convert from Evangelistic Protestantism to Catholicism.
Jesus is the head of the Catholic Church
@@LoantakaBrook but if the pope has a role of infallibility, then the Catholic Church believes equally in the pope as they do in Jesus. In practice, Catholics sometimes seem to depend more on Mary for salvation than Christ himself. "Holy Mary, full of grace...mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death" Why would we ever spend time saying that prayer? Part of the problem of ancient Judea Judaism was that people sometimes put more faith in their ancestors and the Patriarchs than God, which I see a lot of in the Catholic Church. Not only is it present, but I see that these types of beliefs (papal infallibility despite contradictory papal-announced doctrine) and prayers established as official practice within the ROMAN Catholic Church. Why would the church call itself Roman anyway?
Scripture is the only reliable revelation of God. Men alone are fallible, even if well intentioned.
@@mikefamm5712 Catholics accept the pope BECAUSE OF Jesus. It's about obedience.
@@mikefamm5712 Oh we "depend on Mary for salvation" do we? You silly person. You are so full of bigotry and it fashions your conclusions. Your Protestant hatred ooses from every pore
The passage in James, you could also keep reading after that and you would see that James then explains his statement of justification by works with the life of Abraham. Abraham was justified in God's sight by faith, the moment he believed then his belief was reckoned as righteousness. However, Abraham made numerous mistakes after that, such as lying about Sarah his wife being his sister fearing for his life, etc. He wasn't shown to be righteous to other people until his willingness to obey God in sacrificing the son that God had promised would grow into a nation. He had faith that God would raise Isaac as the author of Hebrews elaborates. He was declared righteous by God when he believed but he was shown to be righteous to other people by his works, particularly on Moriah.
Allie, will you ever have a discussion with any Catholics about Catholicism and Protestantism?
No she won’t.
@@LoantakaBrook yeah, I know
@@aileenbordelon7884Did you ever see her discussion with Matt Walsh on her show? They get into it.
Hi Allie. I heard you on the Kat Bundy interview. Refer yourself to as a Baptist. As a person who's recently becoming interested in reformed Baptist, is a reform protest in the same thing? I know from the Little I've researched that reformed baptism came out of the protestant movement, but I'm just confused about the terms if you could clarify, really appreciate it.
Thank you Allie, I learned again today. Bless you
This.message is so needed today for Protestants or those that think they are. I am constantly encountering Christians who have slipped down some rabbit hole (Alice in Wonderland) and are stuck in heresy. If we have not centered our thinking on the authority of scripture and the 5 solas of the Reformation we will inevitably fall. Glory to God who spoke the universe into existence and is the author of this grand story to the glory of His Son.
Allie, you are a great Bible teacher, I really got a lot out of this, thank you so much! :)
I understand following a church as guidance in Christianity. I've been around and seen first hand how churches fail and go astray, so I will continue to follow the Bible without a sect. Do you feel we need to belong to a church?
Here are two links that explain why you should go to church. I found them very insightful. carm.org/why-go-to-church carm.org/can-I-be-a-good-christian-and-not-go-to-church
Both Calvinist links sent to you above. Would Paul have told the Ephesians or Galatians to gather and worship with those he deemed Antichrists just to be in a place of worship? Of course not. The point is you are better studying in a group, online, or viewing sermons through online church than being in a congregation that is not suitable.
Forsake not the assembly of brethren. Find a church that suits you.
It seems that Allie has been pregnant, forever.
Calbenmike she had her baby two weeks ago
Is it a boy or a girl?
My guess it's a boy :))
@@wrmconstu it's a baby girl
If there is any sola I could agree with, it would be sola gratia, although I think your understanding of what grace is is a little skewed. Grace is more than God giving us what we don't deserve, grace is God making us alive in Christ, alive with His own Life, partakers of the divine nature. Grace changes us. Grace enlivens us. You are correct that before regeneration, nothing the unregenerated person can do can earn salvation. But once regenerated, once made alive in Christ, once we begin to partake of the Triune God's own nature (which is Love and Truth), we can in fact do all things in Christ who is the source of our strength. This is why the second sola - sola fide - is an error: grace produces both faith and good works in us. Once born again our good works are not acts we do trying to earn salvation, but is instead us working out the salvation already received. We are enabled to live not our own life, but the life of Christ in and through us. Nevertheless, the born again person who lacks these good works, who slips back into a life of selfishness or is diverted by sin off the narrow path that leads to life, these are the unfruitful branches who can be severed from Christ, the source of grace, and therefore lose their salvation. In this sense, good works (acts of charity) are necessary for salvation, or as the Bible teaches: we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that we are saved by faith ALONE. In fact, Galatians 5:6 states that what matters is "faith working through love." Good works done in love are the necessary fruit which - if we fail/refuse to produce them - will cause us to be severed from the Source of Grace: Jesus Christ. The born again person will not automatically start doing good works: he must engage the will and intellect and choose to do good works and actively seek to avoid sin, and if he does not, if he habitually neglects good works and returns to sin, he is like a sow that, once washed - truly made clean - jumps back into filth, happy as a pig in - well, you know what.
The idea that James and Paul contradict each other exists only in the minds of those who wrongly interpret Paul as teaching Luther's erroneous doctrine of sola fide. Its interesting that in your attempt to harmonize James with your man-made doctrine, you slip in the adjectives that James never uses. You use the term "saving faith" and state it will by necessity produce fruit. That's not what James teaches. You claim that a dead faith is no faith at all. No; a dead faith is a faith that's not alive but its still faith, just as a corpse is still a body but its not a living one. You say a "false faith" will not save. That's not what James teaches. James is stating that faith - a real faith - if not accompanied by good works, is dead, non-saving and useless. Faith alone - faith by itself - cannot save. Martin Luther got it wrong.
I really love learning from your show. I love these theological episodes. Thank you.
Well being baptized as a Catholic and a member of the Church I've defended the Church many times. Which hasnt been that hard to do when it came down to doctrines. Especially when many Protestants will make allegations against the Church concerning Paganism and idolatry. Sadly many of these Protestants are taught these falsehoods in Sunday school or in You Tube conspiracy theory videos. You on the other hand presented the information in a fair and truthful manner, not sparring Martin Luther. Lately I've begun to have many doubts about the Papacy. There is a private civil war going on today between Orthodox Conservative Catholics and Liberal Catholics like the Pope and many of the Cardinals and Bishops. There will probably be another schism soon. I doubt Francis will ever step down and when he dies the Cardinals will just elect another, perhaps even more Liberal Pope than Francis. While I use to argue against Sola Scriptura,I'm beginning to see why it's more and more becoming necessary. Thank you for giving me this information and presenting it in a fair and balanced way. You've give me alot to think about.
Kevin R. What does the pope mean to you, along with your faith??
So if I understand well the 5 solas are more like a Tradition the some Protestants inherit and adopt on their own, right?
No, tradition is not the correct term. Tradition usually covers non-essential elements of theology, like the Baptist tradition of congregational polity versus a presbytery form.
No, the Solas are more accurately considered as essential and orthodox doctrine. In truly reformed theology, these are required to be affirmed and confessed by believers.
My wife is 8 months pregnant. We're gonna have a kid the same age!
I really enjoy your take on politics but as a non-Calvinist Christian I am always puzzled when I hear a Reformed Calvinist who I admire state that we don't have any part in salvation and that God made it such that EVERYTHING is for His Glory (see 46:17-46:25) but right afterward say something like 'you should lay down a/b/c/d/etc for the Glory of God. First, why should we lay anything down since you just told us 15 seconds before that we don't have a part in salvation? Second, if EVERYTHING is for His Glory, then why wouldn't the fact that people AREN'T laying something down be glorifying in and of itself?
Ben Zetsche Because predestination is not incompatible with free will. God predestines and man is responsible. We can't understand it because we only understand time linearly. God says "My ways are not your ways and My thoughts are not your thoughts."
@@michaelkelleypoetry LOL - I expected the appeal to mystery response but not right out of the shoot :) Your reference to predestination and man's responsibility doesn't address why I am puzzled with Allie's (and other Calvinists) comments re God's glory. Can you share your thoughts about that?
P.S. Question - since we only understand time linearly while God isn't bound by that, does that mean salvific ordo salutis isn't important?
GWCinstitute But the implications of so called compatabilism is this:
God decreed after the fall of Adam for all human beings to have a fallen, sinful nature [out of their control]. Therefore, in order to receive salvation and be in right relationship with God, out of God’s decree He has to regenerate someone and give them faith as a “gift” so they can respond positively to the gospel and receive God’s gift of grace.
Out of God’s sovereign decree, the reprobate in Calvinism can not possibly respond positively to the gospel, so I just find that their is no real tension in the compatabilistic worldview. Because God is ultimately the one who decrees what a person does and does not do, and I find it hard to be consistent in being a compatabilist without having to conclude that God causes evil or I would just have to appeal to mystery. Because man’s free will in this worldview is really ultimately controlled by God, so for God to hold them accountable tho they were absolutely not able to respond positively to God or God passed over them. Morever, if God makes appeals in the Bible for all men to come to repentance then that would conclude He would want all men to repent, thus He provides the way for ALL to do so through the Cross. I believe that man are totally depraved but not totally incapable of responding to the good news of the gospel positively and Regeneration follows after putting faith in Jesus Christ.
To add, I believe since God is sovereign it is highly highly possible he could sovereigly decree for man to have free will and choose the path of salvation or not. And all glory to God be for that ❤️
I tend to avoid using the term free will, because people assume libertarian free will. I tend to say people are held morally accountable, while at the same time, God has ordained everything that comes to pass.
Also, you say Calvinists believe they play no part in salvation. We believe we deserve no credit for salvation because it is the achievement of God in the elect. We believe God grants faith and that's why the elect have faith. So people are involved - they have faith. But that's because of God, not "free will" or anything good in the person.
John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
Thank you Allie.......God bless you.
I thank God for you Allie. May the Lord bless and keep you and make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you and give you peace. InJesus’ Name
Ive seen many protestant churches marrying homosexual marriages. But I never seen a Catholic church doing that. Thankfully some churches are still sane.
there are many liberal catholic churches too
@Kyle Skopec could be correct, thank you for the clarification.
Bro, y’all pray to Mary 😂🤷🏻♀️
@@heyitsme881 check out Trent Horn. very detailed.
As a jew who is non denominational but moderately observant and religious with some modern orthodox leanings I firmly believe that the sacred tanakh of my ppl is the word of ha shem. The Torah and prophets and writings are greater than any oral traditions of the sages. However it's from the tradition of my ppl that the Canon for the tanakh is decided by. Just as in ancient christianity the bishops in the early councils decided the Canon for the new testament. Among protestants tradition is also authoritative for hermeneutics just as among catholics and orthodox christians. Scripture alone has never really been true because reformers use the tradition laid down by Augustine and the early councils and Luther and Calvin and the canons of dort to interpret and apply scripture just as catholics and orthodox christians look to the ancient church fathers and the councils for guidance in the interpretation and application of scripture. So also in judaism we have the oral torah and it's written down in the mishneh and the Talmud and the midrashim of the rabbis and the masora developed the vowel markings in the masoreric text of the tanakh to codify proper pronunciation of the ancient hebrew words. We all need tradition to guide us in interpreting and applying the sacred scriptures
Scripture alone is infallible. Jesus points this out in Mark 7:6-13. And, apostle Paul points this out too, in 2Tim.3:16,17.
Well said. So many Protestants are desperately trying to uphold the impossible, i.e, upholding the long-standing tradition of desperately trying not to adhere to any extra biblical tradition (or unable to see that they are) 🤔😉😊
The word alone or monos in Greek isn’t used in either of those New Testament passages. What is considered to be scripture is decided by fallible human tradition as I pointed out and the different interpretations of scripture reflect how it’s interpreted and applied by different traditions. Nowhere is scripture alone said to be sufficient in the New Testament just like nowhere does it say that faith alone justifies. It does say that faith justifies but the word alone or only is never used. Just like how it says scripture is authoritative but nowhere is the word only or alone used. Sola fide and sola scriptura are man made Protestant Christian traditions
@@Matzah1982repent
@@ProtestantKing7 repent from what? Historical reality?
It gives more glory to God that you obey God. Worship is to recognise God knows best, and be reverent to his wisdom,which is faith.
Simon Skinner faith worketh by agape ... gal 5
2 John 1:6. KJB 🙌
@@josephp9747 Amen. Without obedience through love, we cannot show our belief.
2 John 1:6 and Colossians 1:28 sum up Judaeo Christianity, love and wisdom. Be perfect.
Faith worketh by agape. Gal 5 ☝️
Agape? 2 John 1:6. KJB
Allie Stuckey v Matt Walsh
For grace we need sanctification, not works as sanctification is of the mind, so change you thinking for salvation.
I think you need to learn what the Catholic Church actually teaches, because you are attacking a Stawman there. We don't earn our salvation, we can't do it without grace. Read the council of trent on justification.
The main difference is that if there is anything that you do which would obligate God to provide grace to you, then you are not saying what the Reformation was saying, nor are you saying what Paul said in Romans 4.
The Council of Trent anathematized the very first "Sola" that Stuckey explicated.
The Roman system does indeed have a confessional system, but only by denying salvation by faith through grace, in establishing an obligation system for salvation. The root for "indulgence," indulgere in Latin, comes from this seen obligation for grace/clemency through a meritorious action.
Note that in Romans 4 Paul used the example of a worker for what the Gospel is not, and yet, even back in his day, no one was obligated to hire anyone. The hiring of a worker itself is an act of grace.
So Paul was saying that even if one assumes that God by grace hired the worker to do a task to then receive more grace, that goes against what he was laying down. Paul argued that only total trust in God to fulfill His end of the promises is what grants salvation.
This is also what Paul identified as the stumbling block of many of his fellow Jews in Romans 9 (and Romans 2). They were chosen in grace by God, but then began to focus upon their own ability to abide by the covenant instead of focusing upon what God was doing to fulfill the covenant (God proving Himself time and again to be the only pure covenant upholder, just as Jesus is the only pure upholder of the new covenant and the One who justifies all).
Reading the Council of Trent while having this fundamental disagreement will not bring about the change that you seek because it isn't a straw man. It is a legitimate disagreement.
@@KMANelPADRINO Don't really get what you have put there tbh. I would recommend James White debate with Robert sungenis on justification, and he schools white on this.
@@michaellawlor5625
Well, I'm not here to cheer-lead for anyone. I cited my authority for what I stated and pointed out that in Paul's example, no one is able to say anything because Paul saw that even the ability for a person to trust God came from God.
So, if you have a viewpoint that you can distinguish yourself from a non-Christian because you were willing to be enlightened, or willing to love God, or willing to do rightly when others were not, then you are not following the path that Paul said you should be following when thinking of your own Christian life.
According to Paul, even the ability to accept the Gospel requires God to choose to move within a person to make them act, just as Jesus compared such a thing to being "born from above/again." A babe has no say in his birth. So are Christians.
And yes, there is legitimate disagreement between the Roman and Reformed positions such that Stuckey is not attacking a straw man. She is merely revisiting the 500 year long disagreement anew.
@@michaellawlor5625 Check out "How to be Christian" he totally destroys James White. Heck even his own sister talks about how deceitful James White is on her EWTN interview. She has converted to Catholicism. Also see the debate between James White and Trent Horn.
@@BornAgainCatholic How to be Christian are really good. He is very funny also. They need to do more videos though, then, I think they would be the biggest out of the Catholic you tubers.
On one occasion, Martin Luther declared, " I am more afraid of my own heart. than of the Pope of Rome, for in my own heart there dwells that great Pope, Self."
Lol
13:02 Freudian Slip - this "spirit" did not have charity in its actions.
Every one loves reformed theology until you actually quote Calvin i.e. Babies are doomed from the womb. No one leads with that. "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5)
Star Trekker mmmhm
So God the Father passed all power and judgement to Jesus Christ, so that we must seek his justification by our sanctification, yet the Reformation changed God's purpose to remove all judgement. Grace comes by judgement alone says scripture.
Sola Scritura is no where in the bible and it makes all protestant denominations incoherent. The one truth you get outside the bible is the one that tells you that all moral truths are in the bible.
2 Timothy: "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work."
It doesn't say only anywhere or moral authority. its saying all scriptures(all books) are useful for .....
Right. You are making my point. The world view is incoherent because you dont find Sola Scritura in the Bible.
Scripture, through exegetical study, is the ONLY reliable revelation of God. Men alone are fallible and incapable of expositing revelation that is incongruent with scripture.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished o unto all good works. …
As one must be born again of the spirit and this would mean not scripture alone and this verse confirms it as it is only for righteousness and good works but not salvation
@@madcow9421 The context would speak otherwise
V. 15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
HI Allie... not all believe in all 5 Soli, the Arminians do not believe in Sola Gratia. But am elated that you are Reformed!
➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
Amen
Amen
Those verses are taken out of context. You papist should stop worshipping Mary!
Protestant Warrior
Amazing.
Whenever you quote verses it’s “ThAt’S wHaT tHe BiBlE sAyS”
But whenever a Catholic says exactly what the church teaches and keeps in mind context and proper exegesis when citing scripture you reject it
You’re stuck in your bias and presupposition.
Let go.
You attack a strawman & a caricature, not actual Church teaching
I pray you stop living in your own bias and let the Holy Spirit guide you
Protestant Warrior
I also love how you immediately change the subject
Please, tell me where in Catholic teaching, ie: the catechism of the Catholic Church, it says that it’s permissible to, or one must worship Mary. I’ll wait...
Great videos 👍
I am Reformed (I dislike the term Calvinist) many of the Reformers developed Reformed theology not just Calvin. With Reformed theology it's God being glorified and man being humbled as a wretched sinner, it's easy to defend because it's focused on God and how He is sovereign one of God's basic attributes which Holy Scripture supports. Tough questions that Synergists (those who believe man has free will to choose God) that they cannot answer.
Can man thwart God's plan? According to Job 42:2, no.
Was there a possibility that Jesus could never have been crucified? According to Acts 2:23, no.
Is man born again by his own will? According to John 1:13, no.
Does man have free will to choose God? According to Eph 2:1-5, no.
The reason why many use John 3:16 shows people don't actually study the text or look in the Greek because John 3:16 proves God elects man for salvation. "Whosoever" in Greek translated from "all the believing ones". Once you carefully study and think it through, it all makes sense. If God is not sovereign, you have man thwarting God's will, then you have many possibilities such as the crucifixion could have never happened, the prophecies about Jesus could have been destroyed etc.. but these things happen because God has ordained it, made it come to pass, God WILL accomplish His purpose Isaiah 46:10. God is sovereign that's why you pray for God to save sinners. Soli Deo Gloria! To God be the glory!
well said:)
The way I see it, and I don't know why I haven't anyone say this. Even if God elects us in terms of the individual alone or the Greek translation to "all who believe", this does not stop the conversion of those in world into the faith because it means that other elect are still in the world and it's still us that bring them into the faith.
Next video tell us about Calvin and Servetus.
Jew and Greek sure. Servetus teached heresy which would have gotten him killed almost everywhere in a Europe. He went to Geneva after Calvin had specifically told him not to go and he was put to death there by the leadership. Gross heresy was a capital crime in most of Europe.
@@MrGlez16 "Calvin wrote to a friend that if Servetus ever fell into his hands, he would not allow him to get away alive." www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1501-1600/michael-servetus-burned-for-heresy-11629984.html
lol derekzrishmawy.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/men_debate_calvinism.jpg?w=300
Jew and Greek Read my previous comment. 😒 If you ever look at church history and try to see yourself in the lives of our fore-bearers you will be surely disappointed.
Curious... why does anyone care about Servetus?
You absolutely nailed it! Way to go!
The Protestants inherited many unbiblical Doctrines from the Catholic church such as the Trinity. So if you affirm the 5 Solas, then you must reject the version of the Trinity in the Nicene Creed.
Sola scripture is the idea that scripture alone is the only infallible and highest authority of the Christian faith the traditional prodestant notion of sola Scriptura is not tradition is not matter or that things outside of the Bible are discredited, but that anything outside of the Bible is fallible and can but can still be authoritative, so no we can still believe in creeds we just don’t believe they are infallibly binding, they are only binding in so much as they accord with scripture
I’m sure you don’t really like when people might mischaracterize the LDS faith and yet you completely misunderstand the sola scriptura
@@nathanaronsohn8665 That's very refreshing Protestant perspective. No, I don't like any religion bashing another. We are discussing the inconsistencies of the protestant belief system and not a personal attack on Protestants who profess these belief systems. Do you not see that if God, brought these scriptures to you infallibly by fallible men and women, then how could these traditions take us off the sacramental path to realizing the Fullness of His Gospel through the liturgy of His Church? I am not just speaking from the LDS perspective, many Catholics on here will echo these words as well
@@nathanaronsohn8665 There can only be two churches that were founded by Jesus and Passed down to the apostles. (Mat 16:18). Its either the Catholic Church through Peter, the apostles (Bishops) whom they ordained in Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, Syria, or the Restored Church of Jesus Christ through the Apparition of Peter, James and John who Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdrey claim appeared as Heavenly Figures and laid their hands on their heads to Ordain them the Prophets and Seers of the Latter Day Restoration. So if you are a protestant who believes that the Mormons are wrong, then you better be praying that the Catholic Church didn't go into apostasy during the years of Reformation because that would make Protestants apostates along with the Catholic creeds and the Bible that they compiled for you.
There are multiple churches that claim direct apostolic connection to Jesus, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the east and also many churches that claim to be the restoration of the church Joseph Smith established, prodestants historically did not believe that the Catholic Church was apostate but that it was in need of reform, I don’t hold the idea that the church had a total black out or died like Mormons do
Sola scriptura is self defeating. It claims that the Bible is the only authority yet that claim is nowhere in the Bible.
Also it’s important to note that Catholics do believe in sola gratia. I really love your podcast Allie but it’s sad to see such a clear misunderstanding of Catholicism. I would really encourage you to read what Catholics have to say about Catholicism.
Rose Whisner
The Word of God is our final authority in faith and practice.
Read it, study it, apply it, share it, love it, live it....
Many people died and still are dying for it.
2 Tim 3: 16-17 KJB ☝️
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Where Luther and Calvin were wrong is they changed the idea of Justification by good works of believers, to a Gnostic style sacrifice to an angry God to separate our salvation from our actions. So that believers have the authority of salvation, without any responsibility for that salvation, which totally misread grace. Grace is forgiveness, and is dependant on repentance, and that brings the justification by good works.
Not true...good works is the evidence, not the basis for salvation.
@@normgardner4560 true. We agree. We are justified by evidence. Justify and deserve mean the same. Remembering we need the grace and mercy of God the Father and Jesus Christ for salvation.
@@normgardner4560 Wrong. James 2:
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar. You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Enough said. I'll let the scriptures teach.
The NT writers think of Christ’s death as both expiatory and propitiatory. With regard to the expiation of sin, the author of Hebrews hammers home the point that in contrast to the OT sacrifices, “which can never take away sins” (10.11), Christ, “having been offered once to bear the sins of many” (9.28), “remove[d] sin by the sacrifice of himself” (9.26), so that “we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (10.10). John presents Christ as a Passover lamb whose death, in contrast to the original Passover sacrifice, is expiatory: “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (Jn 1.29). Paul uses technical Levitical terminology to refer to Christ as “a sin offering” (peri hamartias) (Rom 8.3; cf. Heb. 10.6, 8). Those who have believed in Christ “have been justified by his blood” (Rom 5.9). Christ’s righteous act of obedience “leads to acquittal and life for all men. For … by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous” (5.18-19).
@@MrAlbertcredes yes we are saved by grace, but justified by works.
The 'five solas' form a pretty ridiculous interpretive device, as they are self-referentially incoherent.
If it were true that 'Scripture Alone' is sufficient, then one would expect to find the five solas in scripture. But the only one of the five that is explicitly stated anywhere in the Bible, in James 2: 24: "that by works a man is justified and NOT by 'faith alone'".
These principles are only derived from the Bible as interpreted according to certain prejudices. The 'five solas' really imply an underlying sixth 'sola', 'sola interpreta': only by interpreting the Bible to mean what we think it means.
The Bible is true, but all five of the 'sola' principles are false.
agree. I think you should look into showing where the five solas are refuted in scripture.
@@Giant_Meteor Yeah I agree. But the west only started to think about it that way after the black plague. All priest basically died and the universities developed the idea that God wills what is good. This idea was not refuted immediately because there was no one there. This idea gave birth to protestantism and atheism. It is not that way in the Roman Catholic Church. We are saved by sharing in the life of Christ(communion). The life of Christ is a gift we receive in baptism like a seed and we nurture that seed especially with communion. We must fight all of our lives to stay in the teachings of Christ because that is loving Him. and "whoever persists till the end will be saved"
@@Giant_Meteor "The 'five solas' came about as direct responses to the five points brought up by the Remonstrants, who followed the teachings of Arminius"
Incorrect.
The 5 solas weren't even put together until the 20th century.
They had been written about at various times, separately, but were never "systematically" put together until 1965.
I believe you are confusing the 5 Solas with the T.U.L.I.P.
@@MansterBear oh, yeah. You're right
"It is by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE that we are JUSTIFIED " ( James 2:24, Romans 6:2,8, Matthew 25:35-42), as the manifold wisdom of God is revealed through the CHURCH, ( Ephesians 3:10). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink! You are in my prayers
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
@@AustinGonder "Every Branch in Me that does not bear fruit, shall be taken away ", ( John 15:2), for "not everyone who cries Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom, but only those who do the will of My Heavenly Father ", ( Matthew 7:21), as the Son of Man shall give to each according to one's WORKS, ( Matthew 16:27, John 5:29, Matthew 25:35-42). You are in my prayers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
Austin Gonder read Ephesians 2:8-9 in context. Doesn’t mean what you think it means.
those works are a result of of a true salvation( evidence of one) established by God before time, just as the redemptive plan.
@@dfischer1709 Indeed, for "it is by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE THAT WE ARE JUSTIFIED ", ( James 2:14,24), for as Jesus Christ teaches, " EVERY BRANCH SAID THAT DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT, SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY ", (John 15:2). You are in my prayers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
WRONG!
Try reading ALL of scripture and not cherry picked, misunderstood, verses to support the false ideology of solar scriptural. Absolutely no where will you find any verse explicitly teaching it...
1500 years after the real church was founded by Christ himself
and it continues in the churches preaching the true gospel, not Rome's falsehoods.
I think everyone (Catholic or Protestant) who has been born anew by the Holy Spirit into Christ and has come to know the love of the Father, knows the absolute primacy of Grace in however we got to that point, and from that point on in our walk with Him. In light of certain Roman corruptions the 5 "solas" were sincerely and slowly formulated. Unfortunately, throughout Church History, reactions to heretical ideas often end up being overreactions and fall into equal error in the other direction. "Calvinism" is clearly (of John Calvin's own admission) founded upon Augustinianism. Calvin added the novel "Perseverance of the Saints" / "Once saved always saved" doctrine which deviated massively from Augustine's view of persevearance.
Augustine would have held to one, possibly two of the TULIP but he would have rejected Sola Scriptura and the wayward determinism (meticulous) of John Calvin and Co later on it history. The post Apostolic early Church did not suddenly apostatize and then the truth was picked up (somehow) by Augustine and stuck on steroids at the Reformation; no, Augustine is the one who added novelties to the already existing view and consensus of the first three centuries regarding predestination and election. (via the influence of his fatalistic dualistic manichean past). That early consensus has also carried on down to this day in all the Eastern churches and in a majority of the Western ones too! X
Predestination~ A pre set destination. Is there a statement on the destination? I believe there is in Genesis 1:31. Everything after Genesis 1:31 is reconciling the world back to Genesis 1:31 again. Predestination doesn't refer to individual salvation. 🤔 Elect or election ~ chosen. This doesn't refer to individual salvation. Pharaoh was elected. Judas was elected. Was either one saved? Limited atonement~ Only applies if you change the definition of Whosoever to fit a religion. 🤔 Regeneration before faith~ What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL BE SAVED~ Paul. 🤔 Calvinism is a man made religion that in itself does away with relationship. This like the teaching of Angels or fallen angels taking wives from the daughters of men is false teaching.
If you truly believe that Romans 9:21 is true truth, and that God's word is always faithful, then we realize that God grants grace and salvation as He wills. See Ps.149:4.
@0:33 You said "Sorry to burst your bubble butt."
WOW! That's kind of rude.
Lol jk. 😁
I pray for you Allie that you are led by the Holy Spirit to the biblical text, bare of any System of Theology based on mans finite knowledge and hear what God breathed through the actual biblical text as written in the context you too often ignore.
What did she say that wasn’t Biblical?
It means you don't have a choice to be Redeemed by our Savior which is totally not at Scriptural at all. Go think and pray about it if you believe the Bible. And very prideful and near destructive sect in the modern Christian Faith, if it keeps going this way it will become a cult.
I wasn't raised reformed, and I still don't call myself reformed/calvinist, but I think there is a good case to be made that according to scripture, God is the sovereign, and God is the one with the choice, not us.
From John 6:
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
The Father is the one giving. Everyone that He gives, will come. So before the person comes to Jesus, God has already given them to Jesus, and they WILL come. Not that they might come if they choose.
According to scripture, before we are saved, we are:
wicked (Jer. 17:9)
full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
loves darkness rather than light and does evil (John 3:19)
does not seek for God nor does any good (Rom. 3:10-12)
is ungodly (Rom. 5:6)
dead in his sins (Eph. 2:1)
by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3)
cannot accept or understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14)
a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20).
Do you agree that these things are true about pre-saved man? If so, how can that same wicked, spiritually dead person who does not seek God, does nothing good, is not able to accept or understand spiritual things how can they choose something good and spiritual like turning to God? It would seem that God would have to do something in us to even allow us the ability to choose him. ("I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.")
I don't consider myself a calvinist, but I think it's a stretch to say that it's not scriptural, or that it's prideful. I think it's more prideful to say "I made the choice, not God!" It's wanting man to be the sovereign one in the equation instead of God. If the calvinist position is "I was a wicked, dead slave to sin. And God, in his grace, made the choice on whom he would save and I was blessed to be in that group" I don't see how that's prideful. Definitely not more prideful than wanting some of the credit for your salvation.
if God is sovereign then He must be sovereign in all things. including salvation or He is not God.
@@dfischer1709 Right on my precious sister.
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The Bible is the ultimate authority regarding God. But even with that, the Trinity doctrine is not biblical. But supplemental, and still regarded as truth. And it is no different than Cath. or Mormon false books. The problem is still human error in understanding it, without the Spirit. As well as much time that is needed to get the whole picture. And adding to the Word, in the name of religion or politics IS exactly what Jesus spoke of re: leaven... As well as, I believe that denominations are really groups of like-minded people who have limitations in accepting the actual truth of the Bible. Even as denominations teach MANY false doctrines about what is plainly stated to a Spirit filled, and led, Christian. Prots. are still doing what the Caths. did, with the true Bible that has been revealed. And it's still about power and so-called authority by those who claim to be qualified or schooled. Therefore, it is the Holy Spirit of God who is the final authority on what God is saying in His book. And his Spirit speaks All truth, that is lacking in contemporary teaching which stems from traditional schooling. Not to mention the hodge-podge of un-biblical folks in the pulpit.
@@markdj57 Read John 14 :7-18. Verse 17 says "for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." I've heard preacher skip right over "dwelleth with you" when talking about the HS being "upon you" OT, and "in you" NT. But this is the only place I've found in the book where God himself, Jesus Christ, says to his disciples that they know him, the HS, because he DWELLETH WITH THEM. And in verse 9 Jesus says that he IS the father. Again, "that he has been with them". That is the Godhead, 3in1, and he is JESUS. Please, pray and read it until you see it thru his Spirit. Because Jesus is the only God there is. And the only one I need. The trinity is a false, political verisimilitude which subverts and redirects the believer away from the ultimate destination of Christian, and the purpose of the Bible.
@@markdj57 And then read 2Peter2, and understand that he is speaking about preachers. And the definition of the Greek word heresies means, a choice or, the opinion chosen or, the sect holding the opinion. Peter is talking about division brought in by religious leaders teaching their false doctrine, and forming their own church/denominations. Which goes on to "deny" even who God is!
The reason Catholics get upset and view talking about the 5 Solas as an attack on them is because it increases the Spirit's conviction on them that the works-based religion they are in is wrong. Yet, instead of submitting to the Word of God they get defensive and defiant.
Take a look at James 2:24.
Sad to see this sort of accusation. Catholic convert here and I’m really sorry you feel that way. I’d like to clarify that I do not view the 5 solas as a personal attack. I think some of them are incorrect but I don’t take it personally that you or Allie disagree with me. I genuinely respect Allie and I know her intentions are pure and that she loves the Lord. It’s okay that we disagree. Nobody need to get defensive.
I encourage you to read more about Catholicism so that you at least have an understanding of where we’re coming from, even if you disagree :)
@@rosewhisner3250 ex Roman Catholic here. Was raised Roman Catholic. MaNy ideologies and practices in Roman Catholicism is against scripture. Jesus saved me from that.i ain't a Protestant or Calvinist.I'm a Christian now. May God bless u.
Jesus said nothing about having a productive dialog.He did say "go and spread the good news". I don't think Calvinist know what that is. In their arrogance they forget the Scripture.
not at all accurate. People who are of reformed theology evangelize.
How can Protestantism be anything more than what someone's interpretation what words in a book probably might mean? These reformations are all merely one man's disagreement with another man's interpretation. This is confusion and chaos, and NOT revealed by God. This is why the protestant world has fractured into many thousands of competing denominations. Jesus never said that after he returned to heaven that from that time forward we are to depend entirely on a book that would not even be available until centuries into the future. Jesus never said that anyone should go to a bible college to get a diploma that qualifies the diploma holder to become a professional salaried preacher or pastor. The reformation is the creation of men and not from God. Itis one opinion vs. another opinion.
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Nice one Allie perhaps your fellow false teacher explained what you are trying to say much clearer!
Quote from John Piper:
"God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. @-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
Quote from John Calvin:
“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)
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One can color it however... It is still following the tenets of a man (Calvin). A Calvinist will ensure their belief narrative fits the verses they cherry pick to "prove" Calvinism. A bit of study will show that Calvin was a loony toon that came out Gnosticism.
Really?
@@JRMusic933
No, not really.
I wasn't raised calvinist, and really had no presuppositions about it either way. Towards the end of last year I started looking into it and I find that most reformed teachers/pastors (John MacArthur, John Piper, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin, James White) make it a specific point to stick to a literal interpretation of scripture, and to read everything in context, many times going back a chapter or more before whatever verse they speak about.
I still don't call myself a calvinist / reformed, though I do think many of their teachings are more scripture based than the refutations I've heard presented against them. Most of the counter arguments are strawmen like the OP here posted. Calvinism isn't following the tenets of Calvin, it's taking a literal interpretation on what the bible says. That we are dead in sin, that we can't accept spiritual things, the God chose the elect and that he draws them to Jesus. That everyone the Father draws, Jesus will raise up, and he won't lose any of the ones the Father gave to him.
Personally, I don't know how you can read Romans and Ephesians and not see that there's a strong case for the reformed position. I've also yet to see someone counter the "golden chain" of Romans 8 without doing exactly what the OP accuses calvinists of doing. They bring in their preexisting Arminian / free will theology, and then cherry pick some parts of Romans 8 to apply to everyone on Earth, then pick the rest of it to apply to believers only, when that's not what is in the text if you read it for what it says.
@@MansterBear oh I'm like a hardcore Calvinist I was hoping he would substantiate his claims with scripture
My sister if you are a protestant and your keeping sunday as your sabbath you are not truely a protestant because the bible says to remember the 7th day to keep it holy.do you know that the catholic church in the year 321AD change the 4th commandments from saturday to sunday go and do the history my sister its on their website. the 7th day sabbath is a instituition that was given at creation just like marriage and to say the sabbath is jewish is to say that marriage is jewish as well.jesus said in john chapter 2 verse 7 that the sabbath was made for man.infact do you know that it was over the sabbath the reformation lost its power at the council of trent because the catholic church said that the protestant claim sola scriptura but they keep sunday a day that is rooted in tradition and not bible. here is a chapter that prove that prove that the sabbath is for jew and the stranger or the gentile because the word stranger is use in ephesians chapter 2 verse 12.here is a former catholic he is now a protestant pastor you can find him and yutube his name is walter veith this man knows more about the protestant history than any one i have heard infact they consider him a modern day luther.
MansterBear, the scariest think you said was “seems Biblical.” Until you have read your Bible for yourself without Sproul, Piper, or MacArthur, etc you will never know what is true. I know loving people who xerox Joseph Smith and Charles Taze Russel who “seem Christian”. You don’t need Calvin. You need the Bible alone.
1. You didn't actually reply to me, you put this out in the general comments
2. No need to be scared. Your fear is based on a completely fabricated meaning that you've read into my comment based on 2 words. If you see "seems biblical" and that means "never reads the bible and is the same as Joseph Smith", you've simply jumped to a ridiculous conclusion based on ignorance. You know nothing about me, so it's silly to jump to that conclusion.
Could I now say "Star Trekker never attends church and doesn't think you should be taught or led by any pastors or teachers, and if you are you're in a cult" based on your comment? If I did, it would be less of a jump than what you just made. Of course I wouldn't do that, because it would be ridiculous and I don't know you.
I don't even consider myself a calvinist. I was responding to the OP that most people who hate/rant against calvinism are arguing against a strawman of calvinism, rather than what it actually is.
Reformed teaching falls in line with what the Bible says about many things (which is what I meant by "seems biblical") like mans state before God saves him (wicked, loves dark, dead in sins, cannot accept spiritual things, etc), that God chooses us before the foundation of the world based on his purpose, that Jesus won't lose any the father has given to him, etc. I get that from reading my bible.
Calvinism does not represent the true heart of God.
it does if you see that God is first and foremost Holy and not loving as most of the church believes today. The hymn says 'Holy, holy, holy not Loving, loving, loving!
The Bible says God is love.. And the two greatest commandments are all about love.. Somehow people feel that if they emphasize on God's Love.. They are giving a watered down Gospel.. When in reality the greatest Christian virtue is Love!
@@jane1984 Those two commands that Jesus says, " love the Lord your God " & )love your neighbor as yourself " areva summary of the Law. If lived out perfectly the law is fullfilled. Since we can not keep them perfectly we are in a need of a saviour that can.
Every Protestant that proclaims that we are justified by Faith Alone should HEAR these FOUR words by James 2:24 RINGING in their EARS:
"not by faith alone."
"not by faith alone."
"not by faith alone."
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The Protestant Scripture Twister Series #4 - Luther 2:24
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The Reformation doctrine of justification is frequently summed up in the slogan sola fide, which means “by faith alone.” The phrase sola fide stands for the teaching that justification is by faith alone.
The Roman Catholic Church, historically, has also taught that justification is by faith. They say that faith is the initial stage of justification. It is the foundation and root of our justification. Rome insists on the necessity of faith for justification. So the fide in sola fide is clearly affirmed by Rome. What is not affirmed by Rome is the sola, because even though faith is the initiation, the foundation, and the root of justification, its mere presence is not enough to effect justification. There must be something besides faith in order for us to be justified-a necessary condition. A necessary condition is something that must be present in order for an effect or consequence to follow, but its presence does not guarantee the result.
For example, under normal circumstances, a necessary condition for fire is the presence of oxygen. But, fortunately for us, the mere presence of oxygen is not enough to cause a fire. If it were, we would catch on fire every time we took a breath of air. So we distinguish between a necessary condition and a sufficient condition. A sufficient condition absolutely guarantees that the result will follow.
Given that distinction, we can see the difference between the Roman Catholic view and the Reformation view of the relationship between faith and justification. In the Roman view, faith is a necessary condition for justification, not a sufficient condition for it. In the Protestant view, faith is not only a necessary condition but also a sufficient condition for justification. That is, when we put our faith and trust in Christ, God will most surely declare us justified in His sight. The Reformation view, which is the biblical view, is that if faith is present, justification is inevitably present as well.
What is unthinkable in the Reformation view is that we could have faith without justification. We cannot have justification without faith, and we cannot have faith without justification. Rome says that we cannot have justification without faith, but we can have faith without justification. We can keep our faith but commit a mortal sin that will destroy the grace of justification, so that we will be damned (without proper penance). But for the Reformers, the mere possession of genuine faith is all that is required in order for us to receive the grace and maintain the state of justification.
The confession says this:
Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and his righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification.
An instrument is a tool that is used for a particular purpose. When the framers of the Westminster Confession wrote that faith is the alone instrument of justification, they were aware of the sixteenth-century dispute regarding the instrumental cause of justification. It is necessary to have a clear understanding of this doctrine-the instrumental cause of justification-because it is about how we are saved.
The term instrumental cause goes back in history to the fourth century before Christ, to the philosophy of Aristotle. He was concerned to explain motion and change. In that process, he tried to isolate various causes that contribute to something’s change of state or status. How does that relate to our question here? We, by nature, are not justified. We are unjust, and our status before God is that we deserve his unmitigated wrath. We need a change of our status, from a state of damnation to a state of justification.
Aristotle distinguished four kinds of causes: the formal cause, the efficient cause, the final cause, and the material cause. He did not include the instrumental cause. His four causes, however, formed the basis for the idea of instrumental cause.
He used the illustration of a statue that starts out as a block of stone from the quarry. Aristotle defined the block of stone as the material cause, the stuff out of which something is made. The formal cause is the idea in the sculptor’s mind, or his blueprint or sketch, of the way that he wants the finished product to look. There has to be an idea before there can be a result. The efficient cause is that which brings about the change from stone to statue, and in this case it is the sculptor. He is the one who makes it happen. The final cause is the purpose for which the thing is made, which in this case may be to beautify a garden.
To these four causes, we may add the idea of the instrumental cause, which is the means by which the change takes place. If the sculptor wants to change the block of stone into a statue, he has to chip away at the stone to shape, form, and smooth it. His chisel and his hammer are the instruments, the means by which the change is wrought. In English, we often indicate means with the words by and through.
When the Reformers said that justification is by faith or through faith, they affirmed that the means or the instrument by which we are justified is faith and faith alone. The only instrument that we need, the only tool required to move us from a state of damnation to a state of justification is faith, but faith is not the only thing that we need in order to be justified. We also need Christ in order to be justified. That is, in order to be justified, we need His perfect righteousness and His atonement on the cross. Everything that is required by God to meet His standard of righteousness and justice has been fulfilled objectively in and through the work of Christ. He has done it all. The whole Roman Catholic-Protestant debate on justification is not over the objective work of Christ so much as it is over how we receive the benefits of His work. How is the objective work of Christ subjectively appropriated? The answer that the Reformers gave, based on the teaching of the Apostle Paul, was “in and through, or by and through, faith alone.” But it is not faith alone that saves us. When we say that justification is by faith alone, we are saying that justification is by and through our faith in Christ alone.
The instrumental cause of justification, according to Rome, is baptism and penance. Rome defines these sacraments as the instruments by and through which a person is justified. The difference is between salvation that is accomplished sacerdotally (that is, through the church’s administration of the sacraments) and salvation that is experienced through faith in Christ alone. This is all the difference in the world. The confession says that faith is the only instrument of justification because it is through faith alone that we rest on and receive the righteousness of Christ. The righteousness of Christ, the benefits of His atonement, the objective merit or grounds of our justification, are freely offered to anyone who believes. “The righteous shall live by faith” (Rom.1:17). We are justified not by faith plus works but by faith alone. All that is needed to enter the kingdom of God is faith or trust in the work of Christ alone.
Faith is not the grounds of our justification. The grounds of our justification is the righteousness of Christ, His merit. The Reformers said that the meritorious cause of our justification is the righteousness of Christ alone. The instrumental cause of our justification is faith, but when we say that we are justified by faith alone, we do not mean that faith is a meritorious work that adds anything to the ground of our justification.
What difference does that make practically? There are people who say they believe in justification by faith alone but who rely on their faith as if it were meritorious or a good work that will satisfy the demands of God’s justice. The fact that a person possesses faith adds no merit to his account. It adds infinite merit to his account by imputation, but it is the merit of Christ that is imputed to him. We can receive Christ’s merit only by faith, and there is no merit to that. The only One who can save us is Christ, and the only way we can get access to Him is through faith. We do not rest on anything else in our lives except Christ and His righteousness for our salvation.
@@Wgaither1 all this is meaningless because the HOLY SPIRIT REJECTS SOLA FIDE.
@@Ryan_Zell you have to reject faith alone because you believe once you lose your justification because of a mortal sin you have to do works of satisfaction to regain your justification. So you do believe in faith plus works for salvation. And you believe you have to have enough merit in order to go to heaven without first going to purgatory.
@@Wgaither1 we reject faith Alone because the HOLY Spirit Rejects faith alone.
@@Wgaither1 Justification by Faith Alone?
Luke 18:13-14 KJV
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Jesus didn't get the memo.
So many inconsistencies in this video. You should engage with real Catholics on such topics . You’re in your Protestant echo chamber