12 Beam Skills NO ONE Performs in 2024
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Meet 12 skills no one performs in 2024:
- The Phillips;
- The Worley;
- The Li Spin;
- The Baitova;
- Double Front Dismount;
- The Tousek;
- The Homma;
- The Colussi;
- The Preziosa;
- The Zamolodchikova;
- The Li Mount;
- The Teza I.
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What's your favorite skill off this list?
The preziosa, so elegant. Plus Elisabetta is a super generous kind person and athlete ❤
The Preziosa and... the Worley !
I love the Culussi and the Presioza
Preziosa
Li spin, always 😊
Over 400 registered skills on balance beam and we see the same 15 or 20 skills over and over again :(
True! How do we distinguish the gymnasts unless they are Simone?
Downgrade the aerials and cap the non-rebounding CVs would solve the problem😂
I totally agree! I'm actually bored with the routines because you know exactly what they're going to do with an exception here or there. I miss originality, elegance, splits, leaps, various mounts, actual skills!!!! I know our team has tremendous talent and I'm so very proud of them but it's just gymnastics as a whole that I wish would change. Just my opinion. Go back to the artistry, not predictability!
We used to goof off in the gym trying to get close to a Phillips. That skill is just nuts.
I think I did gymnastics for like... 2 years, when I was maybe 4? Aaaand mainly I just did whatever we were supposed to in order to get to leap into that foam pit....
No "apparatus" leading up to it? Well, no "skill" - pretty sure I just scuttled along that tiny, 6" off the ground, 1/2 length beam then did some sorta EXTREMELY not graceful "dive/splat" into that pit.... Then usually wallowed around in that smelly crap (is that stuff when you think about it I mean it's not like they clean the FOAM PIECES in the FOAM PITS every week, right?! Gross lol)
Yeah there's definitely a reason I got into horseback riding and jumping instead..... Lol
I think a "balancing" skill (handstand, some kind of pose like an arabesque or a needle.) should be a CR. It is no longer balance beam as it's "tumble on the 4 inch wide piece of wood."
Same with a mounting skill of C or greater.
This was a requirement back in 2001 and most gymnasts did a basic scale to comply with the requirement. We didn’t see any amazing variety. Very few people did handstands.
The artistry is gone it’s so sad
CR won't change anyway. Make it a counting element will change. And cap the non-rebounding CV.
The lack of variety in modern gymnastics saddens me, but I don't know how to give proper credit to difficulty without encouraging some skills and discouraging others. It's very hard to balance objective judging with artistry and creativity.
I think I saw someone a while back propose just giving a certain bonus to every skill a gymnast performs that was not a submitted element by any other gymnast, or more than one or two, the year before. So if no one has done a Teza I in 20 years, a gymnast who does it now will get its value plus a flat bonus, like a .1 for rarity. Maybe the bonus can even be linked to letter rating but that might be dangerous.
@@alizah8042 idk, a lot of these skills require years to master. I think that would encourage unsafe practices just for the sake of extra tenths. Plus it would also make it so that everyone would be performing the same skill one year and then everyone moves on to the next easier skill the next year, and so on. I doubt it would actually generate diversity.
It would also punish the one gymnast who was actually original to begin with by having everyone else in the field do their skill because it's an easy extra tenth.
When it comes to beam I think something that might work is banning skills from fullfiling composition requirements.
For example: like 90% of gymnasts get their spin requirement from doing wolf turns or a simpe standing spin with leg below horizontal (valued at A, the easier thing you could do to simply fulfill this requirement and move on). So if you're no longer fulfilling that requirement that way then you're forced to look into either other types of spins (L, Y, doubles, etc) or look into other skills that fullfil the requirement like the hip circles, jumping spins, flares.
Same thing could be said for something like dance combination cannot be fulfilled by a switch leap + switch half, which everyone is doing too.
On the long run I think people will experiment and after a couple quads everyone will be doing the most optimal or easier thing. So that would probably not be a long lasting solution. You could also add more composition requirement but I feel like the same thing would happen.
The root cause of the change lies on the open ended system. Under the 10 you could do a 10 routine with a lot less difficulty than nowadays so people could play around with pretty, original, but inefficient skills(difficulty wise). Nowadays if you do that you're shooting yourself in the foot competitively. Everyone is trying to get as much difficulty as possible in the most efficient, less demanding way and with skills that minimize possible execution deductions. Naturally there will be skills that align with those characteristics and everyone will be doing them to be competitive.
@@jodavitowI think banning things from fulfilling requirements is just as unsafe. But maybe there is a happy medium. You said it's not ideal but if you add back in a scale/balance requirement, and then also add in an originality requirement that can be fulfilled by doing any lesser completed skill. And to counteract the punishment for originality, definitely at the very least if you do a skill you submitted you should get bonus points in recognition for your innovation. If connections are still valued the same then adding in more components makes more room to think about routine composition, to connect skills or not to Connect skills, etc. I think that would encourage more creativity without encouraging gymnasts to go so far as to attempt things that are unsafe.
Yes it also makes the gymasts weirdly replaceable since all personality has been eradicated from it.
The Li mount breaks my back just while watching xD
One gymnast did a video where she tried training this mount, but was too scared to try it off of practice mats. I don’t blame her, but I think the mount might have been possible for her if she tried landing on the beam closer to her butt, rather than her lumbar.
I miss the variety and creativity of planche and handstand skills that were performed between the 1970s through to the 90s. There were so many photogenic skills back then.
Are you implying the Wolf turn (that happens exactly 32 seconds into every single routine) isn’t the epitome of “variety & creativity”? 😂
@@YuckyMama
How could I forget?! That *IS* the epitome of brilliant, photographic moments in gymnastics! I can’t wait until gymnasts begin doing wolf spin dismounts off the bars. Wolf spin vaults soon to come. 😆
Edit: I prefer to call them spins versus turns as most the gymnasts I see practicing them in person look absolutely lost as if they have no sense as to where they are, thus giving them a dizzy, spun appearance.
I saw an interview with Kristie Phillips where she discussed not making the Olympic team. She was so gracious about it saying how good it was for her to take a break from gymnastics and doing things like riding her bike to the beach with friends.
All in all she seemed happy with her life
She was absolutely lovely! And she continued to show incredible flexibility well into her 20’s. I added some of her later stuff to my channel because it’s weirdly hard to find, and she’s so awesome. ❤
The preziosa was performed by a little gymnast in the Greek National Championships this year
The Preziosa reminds me of the Bielman spin in figure skating.
Not a fan of wolf turns, but ironically they DO show actual balance, as in balance beam. I'd like to see them disappear from floor routines though.
Fully agree. I can see them being tough on beam, but seeing them in almost every floor routine is a bit much. I don't blame the gymnasts since doing one can be a better choice than a D-level pass at times, but there are so many other skills that could take it's place lol
I'm not a fan, and they have their place, but they should be downgraded compared to an upright turn on releve. With Wolf turns you can sit on your heel and it also lowers your centre of gravity. When I used to play on beam I could do a Quad Wolf Turn ( yes, I'm a boy lol ), but Upright Triple (Okino) was so much more inconsistent.
That Li spin is all well and good but the *split around the beam”??? OMG that is eye catching.
But laying on the beam while waving the hands around after a wolf turn looks better. For sure.
I think these skills show way more strength and control over all the tricks done now!💪
Doing flairs as a beam mount is so sick!!! A shame we don’t see those skills in WAG anymore
nobody talking about the colussi??! what a beautiful skill
The flexibility of the Phillips in mind-blowing. That's contortionist-level back flexibility.
Yeah that's why no one other than Phillips herself performed it. Most gymnasts don't have that insane level of flexibility and only usually enough for the requirements.
Or rhythmic gymnasts, even there there's more focus on physical rather than that now
I really like your video presentation. I like seeing the skill repeated several times, and in slo mo.
Sorry to the creator, to say the LI LI spin isn't appealing? You're nuts. It's a beautiful piece of gymnastics
I think it’s horrible. Each to his own!
Forever my favorite on beam "The Miller"
I would love to see ppl bring these back
I've never seen the Li spin before that's so cool
I miss all the creativity. All the routines look the same now.
I miss many of these moves. I miss when the routines were different and creative. They really need to review things and encourage creativity and flexibility again.
A few Canadian mounts not mentioned are the Rankin named after Canadian Janine Rankin, Jackie Bender had a very unique mount, as did Yvonne Tousek. I loved their different mounts.
I'm french, so of course my favorite element is the Teza
And a triple wolf turn is worth an E... NERF THE WOLF TURNS. Honestly, we need to make a hold a requirement on beam. Add a new requirement for bars, beam, and floor, and add four (or eight) tenths back to vault start values. I miss great scores being in the 15's and phenomenal ones in the 16's.
I totally agree with everything you say regarding Wolf turns. We are all sick of them (I mean, if you’re going to give them a high value, then at least deduct for the crazy arms).
I do disagree about the 15/16 values for scoring. Getting stuck on an absolute number led to the high-level stupidity of the 10.0 cap system. (I can get on a real rant about NCAA scoring). As a fan, I enjoy seeing women push the sport and any sort of plateau takes away the incentive to do so (the E cap on UB transitions means all innovation on those skills has come to a halt, same with the “dance elements” cap). So personally, I say let the women keep pushing the sport so that in 20 years, a score of 20 is just “good”.
A hold requirement will just make everyone do the simplest and fastest hold so they can continue with their routine and everyone will be doing the same thing again. That won't work. Kind of how everyone either does a simple spin for the requirement and move on or they do a wolf turn.
Also I think woulf turns are properly valued at E. The actual problem is the E cap on dance skills which make it not worth doing other types of triple (or even double) spins. A double scorpion turn could easily be an F skill, same for a double ilusion but it's just not worth doing them because of the E cap.
Just make hold a counting element, and require wolf turns to have horizontal free leg throughout (and so disappear😎). Gymnasts are punished in D score for not doing a clean wolf turn now.
The Worley not being beautiful according to fans? Are these the same fans that think the wolf turns beautiful?
Wolf turns are the worst. So ugly. Can't wait for them to go out of style.
I think it’s because the legs are not together, like one leg is always first. I think it would look better as a cartwheel (there’s a move similar where it’s one leg then the other),
more people just think normal onodi is better
@@spocony.krasnolud Thank you that’s what it’s called. The onodi looks much better to me.
No one thinks wolf turns look good, it’s just the onodi looks better.
Wow, I'm pretty sure I haven't seen some of these ever, I mean I didn't know they existed. I've been watching gymnastics fervently from about 1996 to 2012, maybe the 2016 Olympics too... After that I kind of lost track but want to watch this year's Olympics. All these skills are awesome!
This explains why I tried to watch some modern beam routines recently and just wasn't interested.
They've gotten rid of the best stuff!
Yeah they’re kinda boring
World Championships final last year actually had a ton of great routines with all kinds of different styles of gymnastics!
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its either low grade safety reasons etc. my favorite rare beam mount is either Candle mount/ Silivaș neck stand mount. favorite rare skill inside a beam routine is either a Korbut flip or the Miller which ends in a side straddle
I've been a circus artist... so thanks for this video ! I love originality :)
I know it's a video on beam, but I've always been a big vault fan and am completely bored with the DTY (aren't we all?). Was so glad to see a couple of Chengs at Championships, but I'll still turn to MAG for my vault fix (or, ya know, Simone, but that goes without saying).
I miss the Amanar . Seems to go out of fashion lately.
@@leelab8307 it got unreasonably devalued to the point it is not worth doing unless you can do it like a Simone or a Maroney, which most people can't. A very clean DTY will score better.
Would love to see the Baitova/Houma mount connected to a LiLi connected to a back roll to handstand.
There is no such thing as a Baitova, it is the "Talavera Flair", created by US gymnast Tracee Talavera in 1980 at the American Cup...at the 1981 World Championships she started her routine by leg circles, then later performed the flairs...Baitova only connected the two elements. The Talavera Flair is in the CoP and has been since 1981.
Who cares what the name is 😆. Biatova or not. Any female gymnast doing those circles on beam are amazing. Extremely difficult and rare
Most of the skills that made women's gymnastics interesting have either been banned (many rightly so) or fallen by the wayside. Can wolf spins please fall out of fashion? Bring back handstands or some other strength/balance skills.
Please send an email to FIG for complaint so they can stop punishing gymnasts for not doing a wolf turn in D score.
I was a gymnast and was always a athlete. M y body is hurting beyond my imagination. Lorraine Bregni your body is hurting too. We didit in the 60's.i loved flying through the air....
I ruined my body in the 1970s with the extreme back flexibility. I didn't know I was ruining it then, but now? My knees were the first to go, before I was 30 and my Dr tells me my spine looks like I had a long career in professional football (US). But I did love to flex and I did love to fly.
"The Tousek" was also performed prior to 99 by Tatiana Groshkova. Beautifully.
Yeah with straight legs
I do miss the fancy beam mounts. But it makes a lot of sense when you explain why not to do it.
Love both Li Li's skills
I always loved the Teza 1 and 2!
Great to see Peng and Danusia in this video 🩵💛
I think this video would be better if you showed or talked about other gymnasts who performed the move. Right now it feels more like "skills that have only ever been performed by their namesake"
It's so interesting that I know quite a few of these moves because I followed a gymnast about 8 years ago now.
The Teza still blows my mind to see it. I do really miss originality and grace and beauty on the beam. Not a huge fan of todays beam or floor routines no beauty at all
The Li spin is so beautiful! And the Teza I is just crazy!! How did she do that!?❤❤
Really interesting. Never thought of gymnastics in that way, thank you.
I love both Li’s and the Preziosa(sorry, I love it more on the floor though)! ✌💙
Imagine a routine with mostly these skills, that woud become really odd, would love to see it and would be curious to the possible D score!
The li spin is amazing.
29:36. The Li Spin was executed beautifully by Tatiana Lysenko in the 90’s, one of the best beamworkers of her day.
I love all these skills.
Im still rooting for the REQUIREMENT of at least a moderately difficult MOUNT being a requirement for ELITE gymnastics. It just takes Sooo much skill & guts TO START your routine with a BANG like that, and there just isn't ENOUGH of a reward for athletes who DO it... It's just not right to me to see someone who friggin backflips to land blindly on the beam in order to mount & a girl who just... Gracefully hops up there ... Get such similar scores (for various reasons, I KNOW... But. Still!?)
Mandatory TRICKY BEAM MOUNTS at Elite Levels !!!!
The Li Spin makes me think of Stick It! 😂😂 I feel like the choreographer was inspired!
Zamolódchikova mount es increíble
The li spin would make a modern crowd go apes*it if they saw it. An athlete with longer lines in general would make this such a moment. It's very beautiful. Would completely make a competitor stand out.
The flares look so cool.🏆
The worley isn't pleasing to watch? It's so cool that's crazy. I can see how it would have to be on the back end of a combo rather than it being really linkable from the back end of the move itself
The channel owner was just saying that many gymnastics fans don't like the move which is somewhat true. Many prefer the onodi since it's viewed as being "prettier". I personally love both even though the onodi is one of my all time favs. Would love to see the worley back
I like the rare mounts and the turns. Particularly the scorpion and the Li Li. I also like the Yurchenko loop, the scales and the reverse planches. I also love Rolls: Garrison roll, back extension roll-full piroutte, front roll-press to hand stand.
the worley is so beautiful !
Honestly I actually don’t mind clear hip circles being a thing of the past. They don’t look very pleasing and nigh impossible to make them look fluid. Plus seeing every girl slam their pelvis against the beam just makes me cringe so hard. I’m really glad the uneven bars were moved further apart for this same reason. Some women were having reproductive problems later in life after slamming their pelvis so many times into the lower bar.
Gymnastics and skating have tried to create objective scoring at the cost of artistry. Sadly, their is no way to completely eliminate judges in either sport. Have the new systems advanced the sports or diminished them?
Can't they add a "rare skill" bonus if some of these skills are performed? This will definitely change up the routines.
I remember doing the Phillips mount.
It's sad that you can't call this apparatus a balance beam any more - it's all acrobatics and no balance elements.
Though each move depends on the artist’s balance…
This is what I think..... Wolf Turns should be downgraded. Why? Because you can sit on your heel and it creates a greater base of support than doing it in releve. Why does anyone thing we see SO FEW Okinos * triple turns * but so many Triple Wolfs.... because they are easier. I also think that they NEED to bring back the requirement for a balance element. Handstand, Needle... etc...... Gives beam so much more variety. Bonus points for Teza's and things that use the underside of the apparatus.
The problem is the E cap on dance elements. A triple wolf turn at E is fine. A triple Y turn at E is absolutely not fine. That should be like a F/G.
Also I don't thing composition requirements will do anything. Everyone will just do the same simplest/more efficient skill to fulfill it and move on. If anything, after a couple quards it just might create even more skills that eveyone and their mother is doing.
@@jodavitow If FIG makes it a counting element, they will do the hold as hard as possible.
@@cocoroni1031 that's a good solution. You're right
I loved Moceanu's mount.
8:15 Li mount is handstand with half turn. Not full turn isn’t it? So it’s C difficulty isn’t it??
I like both the Tezai and the Colussi. The public has taken notice that these beam routines are dry, stale and non-exhilarating I'm not a fan of The "Thomas Flair" cuz that's really what those flairs are, the IOC needs to reconsider, re-scoring them and rewarding athletes for daring to execute them. A full pass consisting of a backhand spring w/ two (or in Dominic Moceanu's case, three) flip flops is played out.
God I miss the days of flexibility and beautiful extension in gymnastics!!! I think the last beam routine I saw where someone did a split jump past 90 degrees was Nastia's!!!
Every year gymnastics gets more and more basic to the average viewer. I wish that all of these skills would come back into practice. Demonstrating strength, flexibility, and artistry in every event used to make it way more interesting to watch.
Where is Liukin?
Gymnastics today is not very exciting but I grew up with Dominique Dawes as my fav gymnast
I like those flairs that girl did, ending it with a solid dab. Idk seems Olympic worthy to me 😆
Shayla was such a queen! ❤
I wonder if the li spin is disliked because it runs the risk of damaging your back number you need to wear.
All of these were impressive, I wonder if Simone Biles could produce a new one with even more difficulty
The Worley is amazing
I like the Teza 1.
The taza’s form is a complete mess. I’d say that’s why no one performs that.
“The Phillips” is the reason I now have degenerative spinal issues. I miss “Artistic” gymnastics, they should rename it to something else now because the magic is gone.
The teza is beautiful
You forgot the Miller!
Teza is my idol
She made few original moves
Imagine todays gymnasts trying to perform the Phillips 😂😂😂 not flexible enough, to much muscle.
Um…many of the gymnast are flexible, are you dumb? Even the ones who aren’t as muscular may not be able to reach a certain amount of flexibility. Bffr.
No what makes the Prezioca difficult is the upper back strength.
Why do most skills have names but other skills rated C+ don’t (ex. Double front, double pike, etc)?
They do but people don't use them
Katelyn of course.
I see this restrictiveness in every industry across the board, it's almost as if those in charge seek to remove creativity, create conformity, and seek to control, instead of allowing spontaneity, creativity, and critical thinking to be included in any industry which requires creativity. Creativity should be allowed in many different formats, instead of one person who sets the tone for a specific creativity.
In other words, it is the death of intelligence, replaced by a form of mind control. I don't think people realize how very deep this goes in the most simple ways, just so that they can have conformity, to make it easier, but when this is established, it causes the opposite effect, removing so much, that we won't even recognize what America once looked like. Innovation produced by creativity, is what brought America to its highest glory, because people were allowed the freedom of thought and speech, instead of political correctness. This creativity, and the innovative thinking, that brought America to its highest glory, will experience its downfall, due to creative conformity, produced by a small group, thinking it's just easier, instead of embracing critical thinking brought on by creative intelligence. All in the name of conformity, instead of unity. Let us remember, unity is when great minds of different facets come together, producing something better, which came about, because there was agency given to people because of creative processes, instead of pleasing a particular person or group of people, through political correctness.
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While I used to really enjoy womens gymnastics, I now find them boring. Everybody does the same thing. I mis the daring of creativity.
Why does the Miller on balance beam seem to be over-looked?
double front should be upgraded to a G
Is anyone still doing an Arabian? Such a beautiful skill but very rarely seen.
Shilese Jones does it (standing) and Qiu Qiyuan does it combination
@@gymnasticsmasterclass Thanks! Qui Qiyuan's combination is very impressive! They both land it a bit low, though, compared to Viktoria Komova (2012 Olympics QF).
I LIKE the Worley. Hard to believe there are people who think it isn't pleasing to watch. Its a pleasant surprise when you see one. Heck, wolf turns are super ugly and usually done poorly. People hate them. They're still EVERYWHERE.
My mother got me into the sport and she doesn't watch it anymore. She finds it boring and repetitive.
I've been watching over 50 years and I'm not bored yet. When does the boring start?
@@rosee7011When "bored" is another word for "too many black girls." (Not saying being racist is their mom's issue... but it's definitely a problem with the older generations). If anything, gymnastics is more exciting.
@@vanessarayfox You are spot on😉
@@vanessarayfox Gymnastics is WAY more exciting... but I was excited about Elvire Teza too. I would love to see anyone bring back some of her skills, only I don't care what color they are. I'm sicilian, so I'm liked by neither b or w in merica.
Most of these movements are beautiful however, we are treated instead by Wolf turns these days especially that of B.I.l.e.S. There is no grace at all in her movements whatsover. When one looks at the definition of the sport of gymnastics, it does not mention any tumbling at all. Ironically, the sport itself is called Artistic Gymnastics.
Rhythmic Gymnastics is artistic!
I don’t find the Worley difficult to watch. Who are these complainers? Tell them to buzz off.
Some of these are dumb because skills like the Worley, Philipps, the Teza or the Li spin weren't ever really performed by anyone except the originator. Now give me a list of all skills that used to be popular in the past that are no longer performed in 2024.
Gymnastics has gotten boring.
Originality is almost, if not, done. Makes it easier for the judges, but makes watching the sport boring now. I miss the artistry and originality. Front tumbling even more.
any sport leaded by snobby elitists is boring