Can I observe without controlling or resisting? | J. Krishnamurti
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Can I observe without controlling or resisting? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the fifth small group discussion in Malibu, 1970.
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Jesus christ i understand this, for the first time i understand this. This is absolutely clear to me now, dont let yourself be fooled by your thoughts, emotions feelings, the persona.
Just observe, dont fight dont reject, dont judge it, and in that observation without reaction, you dont give your ego food, it lives from your reactions, so if you dont react to anything at all, just observe, it will die. That what you feed is that what you are keeping alive.
I still not fully understand about what he is trying to say. But I can understand what you are writing here. Thank you
Then I have real curious doubt if I observed a mango and judged it to be a sweet fruit and react to it by plucking it and eat it and accept how good it is then does it feel ok like it's how it works ?😊
It's actually to be put clear all these work only on things like people conversations and fights
Because once I stopped reacting to things so much that I had to take a lot of time to actually sense my presence again 😊 u have to respond not react
To expose all the accumulation, you must have to empty your mind, and how to do that? Just by observe without being an observer because observer creates division which it gives a description or creating an image that you have about them. Just pay attention to what you are looking at, nothing more and nothing less; look at it with full attention without placing yourself in the center, if there is a center there is a space between as "me" and the observed" and since there is a distance the there is a time (Time does not exist which is the past and the future if you are in the "NOW", and this "TIME" what we called the accumulation of the past and future). Once the mind is empty, and at that stage, the mind becomes active in an excellent state of attention; that's what I understood.
Nicely explained bro👍
Perfecta !
Sorry sir but you have converted it into a conclusion and certainly it's not a fact that you have discovered so basically the conclusion is collection of knowledge in your case and will be of no use to you sir.
It’s not that complex. To empty YOUR mind, “you” must be empty.
Blah, blah, blah. We can watch the video
Forever gratefull for these uploads. Thank you. Krishnamurti is a gift to us all
9:50 drops bomb: sleep is actually attention without the censor.
also, the way to observe without the censor is to say "i don't know", "i don't know what this is". and then learn, like its nothing you've experienced before-and its not like you have. you haven't because every moment is new, even though we think its the same.
And if you are able to let a feeling of gratitude for the experience of life, you start to see what freedom you really have. I found intention really useful for self accepting my truth of life. Also have the intention of loving the ego, because his "behavior" remain, it is only that we give it another meaning to it, less solid. Thanks for the comment!
That was really a bomb dropping....
How enthusiastic he is, how eager to share his discoveries!
Like a wise child, I like that about him
He's so brutally honest, but at the same time, he wants to be polite and not offend anyone. So much innocence.
True
I know that JK don't want to be praised but my heart wants to bow down touch his feet 🙏🏼😌
I never can thank him enough, no. Amount of gratitude is enough, only tears can roll out. 😌
Thank you Master Yoda
11:57 "How does it happen to extend this attention, not only horizontally but vertically?"
That one hit me deeply. What a brilliant human being!
Thank you. A great blessing to experience these sessions. We must ask these questions ourselves, rather than hope to be told the answer. The answer cannot be "told"! How devious the mind is: wanting to be told the Truth, is just a very cunning way of avoiding the actual Truth! ❤️🙏
Whenever i used Krishnamurthy sir talks in my feed people think that I am mad or what bullshit I am seeing but they dont what gem I found last year 💕
he is a gift. he speaks differently, with a different perspective, because he is free from allegiances to cultural norms, religion and dogmas. his whole thing was based on freedom being found only in "naked seeing" to paraphrase one of his quotes.
chill
This is exactly what happens with me😁
It's difficult to begin with K but they may possibly end with K.
I get this.I say 'Krishna-murti' and people listening automatically link to Hari Krishna. A split second of doubt follows which taints everything! We are all guilty of this 'censoring' though.
Be strong when things fall apart.
you too thanks
Quite the opposite my friend. Let it all fall apart. Don't try to be "strong" and keep it all together. Let the lie and facade fall away, let the whole false egoic structure that thought has built (out of ignorance and wanting to protect what needs no protection) fall away. don't hold on to anything.
@@FromHeadToHeart7 thank you, I needed to see/read this as a reminder. This is what I have resently come to be aware of.
However in the moment I react and later am able to reflect and observe, but sometimes still don't grasp.
@@FromHeadToHeart7 That's a different comment. Love it🌹
Thank you
I simply don't have any words at all! This is very, very serious! But it is very very simple, only we are the difficulty! :)
The teachings of K helped me save my dauther of a eatingdisorder.
This channel has grown by leaps and bounds.I remember when it had only a few thousand subscribers.
I couldn't understand anything but hoping someday it will become a living reality in my life.Thank you so much for this video..🙏🙏
Sir please begin with his talks on living and observation... you can understand
Begin watching talks, later watch discussions
His way is also unfamiliar to most of our social constructs but his observations are the way a child is before all the conditioning gets layered on. I think Krushnamurti has been generous to make a child’s gift of natural observations available to us. Keep listening.
"Put it to the test!"
In beginning I was not able to listen K M 's talking
But today I am able to listen to his words of WISDOM EVERY MORNING 🌄 I feel Happy
I live in such a community where i think i would not have changed my life so dramatically, if i had not listened to this great Man. Thank you very much for such miracle uploads.
You proved to be an intelligent.
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K is a gift to humanity !!
And thanks to the foundation for their selfless service 🙏🏼
Yes he is the best
Most beautiful man ever walk this earth
To see but not perceive
So fortunate to hear K’s conversation.
Though lot of so called dilemmas are ridden apart....
Unfortunately for me ....may be out of immaturity most of his words still remains as idea but not as fact ... to the extent he points out ...!!
No other way ... have to go through again and again ...till
I find out whole content ...!!!
Without his guidance it might take several life times to gather such subtle and intricate facts ...!! 🙏🙏🙏really from core of my being ... for attitude of sharing his wisdom for entire mankind...!!
"Watch watch, take time, take years for what ? Not to have reactions when you see Marilyn Monroe"
I laughed so hard on this 😂
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thanks for pointing us to the door.
The mind wants to control, not your true aware self🙏
Because the mind has no faith, doesn't feel save.
I look forward to checking out yr channel!!
That true awareness is not yours. The moment you identify with it you are once again the ego. This is the problem with the notion of the true self which 99.99% of advaita vedanta teachers espouse. You are your thoughts and emotions and feelings, when that ends there is no one left to say this is my true self.
your mind
@@sanekabc well said...
I think the only way it's to completely accept to fall apart. In the big whole..
The biggest fear of everyone.
That of" when You stop the analysis You stop time " is priseless.
Much appreciated!!!
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿
Génial ! THANK YOU !
Thanks for these uploads. This is precious to my life .
it is incredible the contrast between the great wisdom of this man and the oblivion stupidity of the boomers'questions in the audience.....unfreaking believable
Simply by the virtue of watching him, we become better individuals and better human beings. This, sincerely, is a blessing; thank you
No, that is not his point. His point is that you must ask these questions of yourself and find out your own answer. I believe he would say that if you just watch him, and take his answers as your own, then if anything you will be worse off than before.
Not possible
Yes very true we become better and wise
Thank you for uploading the video 🙏
thank you a lot
This is one of the most beautiful speech ever i heard from K. ending of time in a most eloquent way
Loving this Malibu talks extraction KFT staff and volunteers. These extracts are really really good. Very Well extracted. Very well timed! 👌
Best Wishes 💙
Who are you to judge what is good and bad
@@Mahesh.with.Honda.CB350 good point. 👌 but it's appreciation of their work not judgement of their work.
forever grateful 💪🏾💪🏾
These series of intimate talks in malibu are a real treasure. Please keep posting more of them, if possible.
Please note the whole series of full-length videos from Malibu 1970 are already available on our channel, these are selected extracts.
Love this topic 👌👌👌
Great topic... 🧡🧡🧡🧡
Krishnamurti was a GENIUS
Thank you so much for uploading Jay Krishna Murthyji’s video! 🙏🙏🙏🌹❤️It is a treasure! Feeling blessed. Thanks again 🙏
Why did you spell him like this :) ?
This is really a video exposing the 'sensor' as it were!
Love you
Beautiful video 😍
I am grateful to you 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you 🙌
Man jk is truly a master... Literally a GOD...
Knowing is one thing and implementing it is entirely a different game. I mean to let go of ur ego is very strenuous, but I admit it's very relieving at the same time.
Well said
Being aware of being aware
He brings you on a journey when he speaks
WOW THIS IS GOOD 😍😍😍
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Ive been to K centre in Peters field twice in my life. At 20 and at 44. I dared to enter the quiet room at 44. My head fell down and I felt peace. The mind was almost dead. As if I was unplugged by the matrix movie. However my question is ... if there is no conflict ... no fear .... how can there be evelution in humanity. He speaks of a PARADISE I cannot comprehend. I wish I could go there ... 4 ever
Strange question.. there is love, joy, bliss, energy, unity, which evolves man, not fear and worries, possession, violence
Yes true real meditation you sit with eyes closed but no control just aware
Time is an illusion, your thoughts and analysis are your barriers to the truth.
Thoughts are waste of energy,, what we will receive by thinking- Nothing. We can do that thing directly instead of thinking about it.
The question would be truely relevant if ‘I’ is taken out and replaced by ‘there’ because the psychological conditioning that has been implanted into the thought processes introduced the notion of an ‘I’ at the centre of consciousness and then separated it from the things thought about. So in this respect the ‘I’ assumes the centre position of thinking and consequently is synonymous with the censor who controls, resists, confuses, contradicts, attaches, motivates and so on and on. It is of course the analyser in the process of analysis because it is the repository of all past knowledge, experience and memory of personal and collective aspects of life, but only in abstraction and therefore bound by time inextricably.
Through experimenting with all the elements of this thinking and the machinery that allows it to happen, Krishnamurti saw the whole conglomerate picture of consciousness and how it is structured in mind and the brain including the limitations of fragmented thinking processes. Awareness and observations became the impersonal insight that shines light on the subject matters and consequently insight has posed the question asking whether the conditioning can be set aside effectively and thus enable freedom to emerge in the action of choice less awareness in daily living. Krishnamurti calls it meditation without a meditator.
Why does Krishnamurti reject the traditional mainstream society’s principles of reductionist determination of psychological understanding into so-called theoretical categories and regard them as scientific conclusions? Holistic consciousness is non-conditioned meaning that reason, thought and logic which are the hallmark of conditioning cannot enter the other world due to the limitations or incomplete nature of memorised thought processes.
I like your statement, its a sensitivity above intelligence, I've read his books over 30yrs, and your summation is very clear. Thank you for that.
Y do the likes of jk, tolle etc refer to the beauty in nature. . do ee see video clips of mountains, seashores, animals at peace etc. Why not upload vids of lions sinking their jaws into giraffes or insects attacking childrens eyes or crows attacking baby lambs eyes. . ie their default premise is the beauty of nature . But its highly selective !!.
Its not mother nature More wicked uncle nature!!
But these aspects are " censored " from the discussion. Why ? Because they threaten that subjective perception that the world "as it really is " is benign, tender and beautifull.
Sir your wording is very beautiful. I have a hard time believing you wrote this yourself. But nonetheless sir a very truthful statement of actuality.
Happy New Year KFT 🎊
💘💔💟 this is sanity this is exposing the "self" So brutally! Has anyone actually done that??? Oh My! 💔
He is not annoying and i don't want to say anything else thank u.
@Fünf vor zwölf don't understand me, truth is not mine or somebody's, and what does understand actually mean, and what is that 'i' which says i understand something, lol. And why do u want to understand all this, why are u questioning all this, is it for a reward, etc etc etc or i should just be kind and considerate towards u, when u wrote this comment or think about all the upper things, i just don't know, anyways take care.
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Faith is the key. Acceptance. It’s possible but may be hard for some
you don't get anything, you give up everything.
Faith is blind reassurance, corrupts intelligence, and limits possibilities.
Love seems to me to be the source of the observation that is sought to be found
The Real, psychology degree.. is this, with no need of certification :)
this, what he is talking about, is prior to psychology.
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The highest observation without time and motive.
Yes
Voila!
got it SIR INATTENTION IS FULL ATTENTION THANKS rare video
Observing is not seeing listening learning. Those things can be part of an observation if thats what I'm observing.
A great upload. I still do not know how to deal with the Censor in the dungeons of my heart. How do you do this?
Just like a puzzle game
Time is horrifying. Yep that's pretty much right.
The best way to know the truth is to watch the mind
Observation without time
If one is asking this question then it means they know that they are not in harmony with nature. It’s the 1st step of recognizing the issue at hand. The 2nd part is how to resolve it takes much practice of watching one’s own mind and it’s many bad habits that has been picked up along the way. If it took you 25-45 years to find out you were lost it will take time to find the true self as well. My recommendation is meditation and unlearning of what the mind has been taught.
observation without motive because motive implies time. Observation happens in the now. Motives, fears, thoughts are always about the past or the future - memory or imagination. Pure Observation happens NOW. In now, there is no meaning or motive as meaning is thought or a mental formation. Meaning is a time variant signal. Motive intrinsically contains meaning. Therefore all language - as in all sentences are about either the past or future (mostly). All thought is language and imagery (images and videos). All this implies time.
Therefore, in pure observation, there is no motive, no meaning, no time, no me. Because If there is a "me" then it is "me observing something" - implying division. If there is division, then there is time because division implies memory which is the past. hence the now is "you" or in this case "me". the now is also "the observation" and the "act of observing". Therefore what is observed becomes same as the one who is observing. Therefore division ceases, and time ceases.
But this is absolute truth and not a relative truth. The relative truth is that there is time. But the time is only because of the spin of the earth around its axis and around the sun, and the spiral of the galaxy and so on. So this manifests as the clock of the body. This body is dying each minute. So in another 40 odd years, this body can die which is an absolute certainty. Hence survival processes have to be "in Time". But none of this is relevant in pure observation without the resistance of thought.
American society is so enthralled with The Kardashians and money/fun that what Krishnamurti or anyone discussing spiritual things says is null in their minds.
I have no clue what he is saying about observer being observed or the question of if there is any observation without time, nor do i know what he means by a sensor. I could listen to these videos for the rest of my life and I will not have gotten anything out of this no closer to understanding. I am utterly clueless
Hmmmmm, interesting
I think I understand a little but I can't say for sure if I understand it or not,and definitely can't explain
My interpretation is sensor , instead of censor as provided by close caption.
Like unlike and comments are so irrelevant for j
The truth can never be told. You will never find an answer. But will you still question? That's when you know the truth.
When you're observing for an answer, it means there's a censor, a motive, an observer and all of these are resistances between you and the truth.
Observe from a place of nothingness where you while you're questioning you know the answer, this altogether obliterates the idea of time.
Why i am commenting this here is to understand it myself
06:25 & 09:29..sensor takes charge in the moment of inattention....then question is whether inattention is momentary or attention is momentary... definitely as reactions based on our past conditioning of the sensor are momentary therefore inattention is momentary...that means attention is something that is natural which lasts 24x7. i.e. even in sleep it should pervade but is distorted by these reactions of the sensor which is inattention...
31.0 violence is absolutely part of life.
Ouch! We may direct it a bit a little here a little there but conflict is our habitation.
Unless it is not. No time no method. We are here. Do you, do I, see it, now.
I hope one day I don't listen to Krishnamurti and as usual say, "Right, I need to do this", and instead close my eyes and actually get down to it right after listening to him.
What is censor means in this context?
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who is the observer?
why is the thought so deceitful and cunning ,why cant i just stop it ?
who is behind this endless suffering god ,nature , us ?
Is not quite obvious that control and resistance is not an action but opposite which we call reaction? Reaction such as control and resistance demands previous experience or maybe better to say memory. Invocation of memory takes toll on its usage producing imagination which ALWAYS in RELATION with perception. And that relationship can be such as if imagination makes perception more or less clear. We may experience distortion of telescope or microscope optics or even human eye optics whic has tremendous so called fish eye distortion effect in the edge of view. Despite that distortions which is inevitable and natural we can enjoy the look of what we are staring at and not involve invocation of memory or imagination (which both comprises what we call self)
What is the answer? How can we expose the censor completely at the very moment? I didn't understand. He said analysing is out, observing partially will also not do. Then what is it??in the end, Is he saying that being aware that there is a censor in me exposes the censor and therefore we don't judge at that particular moment?? Did I get this right?
"I don't know if you...." I don't why he used to always doubt if people are understanding or not.
I think:
He wants to make sure that we are on the same page what he is talking about. That’s what I like about him. He doesn’t want to teach, he wants to have a conversation as a friend.
Bro everybody is krishnamurti in comment section 🙂
Yeah, everybody understood as theory,and happy about it but one need to enquire by themselves not as an idea or practice but as a living without effort(like breathing), that is the hard step.
To het krishnamurti message You should not struggle with his words have patience and follow the path the mening of what he says Comes from inside.When he says awareness i see what he is talking about.
What is the answer?
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