Ocarina of Time in Tears of the Kingdom - Zelda Theory
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- The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is far more connected to the 25 Year Old Ocarina of Time than we thought. In this Zelda Theory we explain point to point how and what it means!
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Breath of the Wild 2 / Tears of the Kingdom E3 2021 trailer 4K 60fps upscaling by Waikuteru:
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Found any other bits of Ocarina in Tears?
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Awesome video
Yup,
•The Kakariko bottom of the well is referenced.
•Moragia is a marbled serpentine beast at the top of a Volcano. The suffix naming scheme matches Volvagia, though I am uncertain if the name matches in Japanese. My presumption is Moragia as it is should mean “Marbled Volvagia”.
•Impa, as per usual, was the most closely associated to Zelda. Where everyone else were drawing questions about Zelda’s whereabouts, Impa was near the core memories that reveal Zelda’s whereabouts. This parallel’s Impa being the one confirming Zelda is indeed alive and will reveal herself when she is ready.
•The Zora stone carvings name drop Ruto as the inspiration for Vah Ruta’s name. Further evidence possibly pointing to the Sage of Water being named Ruta.
@@fishnewt1331 Where's the bottom of the well referenced?! I'd like to see it myself in game.
The memory where Ganondorf granted an audience to King Rauru and swear his false allegiance to the Kingdom of Hyrule is definitely a called back to the original moment from Ocarina of Time!
Its the same moment in another timeline split
@@Mutt_Buncher4 The timeline BOTW and TOTK is in stand on it's own.
You think? Sounds like you got some serious detective skills 🤔
Definitely is, that’s the first thing I thought of when I watched it.
@@emmamiller. Do you think Nintendo and the team behind TOTK needs to add in his backstory for DLC? Because I also notice his surrogate mothers are beside him in both this memory and the one where he summon his swarm of Moldugas to attack Hyrule. Koume and Kotake needed more screentime since they too are in Ocarina of Time.
My favorite parallel to ocarina of time is the constant opening and closing of the menu in order to switch between armor sets (iron boots)
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LMFAOOOOO literally me with the climbing gear/thunder helm/ frog set while exploring. i basically no longer see those sets as clothing but more stylish and powerful traditional zelda items. instead of a million doodads and buzzwinks Link is just THE fashionista of Hyrule. it works for me.
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I always thought they had striking parallels as well. Especially with Ganondorf kneeling
EXACTLY. Ever since I saw that cutscene, I was convinced that Zelda's ancient past adventures were a soft reboot of Ocarina.
Wow. He kneels so it must be OoT. Everything is OoT after OoT. Twilight Princess, all the Zelda games, all open world games. It’s not that deep. We need a real remake.
@@696Productionsir really isn't that deep 😂😂😂😂
It’s not just Ocarina, there are also clear parallels to Skyward Swordwith the sky islands, the Demon King, and Zelda herself going back in time only to be sealed away in secret in the present the entire time.
Also noticing some mild similarities to Twilight Princess, the Depths give off some serious TP vibes (and I've heard a theory that the Zonai became the Twili, but we don't know enough about the history of the Zonai to make such conclusions yet.)
Almost as if they were inspired by past games they made, but that be crazy. Learning and using ideas from stuff you made in the past?
@@GabrieleTarallo I know, just tried and failed to make a humorous comment. Should have put lamo at the end or something. I meant no offense just trying to say in a humorous way ya that makes sense.
@@GabrieleTarallo Though guess internet being the internet brought you to overreact.
I think that the events of Ocarina of Time are happening anew.
Ganondorf, slain in all timelines, and hyrule completely over, only the ruins of the great plateau remains. The Zonai arrive, and revive the kingdom of Hyrule, and unintentionally, revive the curse of Demise, and Ganondorf.
Tears of the Kingdom represents a new start for the series, but one that rhymes with the long distant past.
very much a "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" vibe
This is my main idea, but I also wonder if TOTK's past actually takes place at the same time as OOT in a timeline that split sometime before Minish Cap, taking the entire Downfall Timeline with it. It's a weird theory, but it would allow BOTW and the DT to fit after a version of OOT's events without converging the timelines or requiring a what-if split.
@@Raphe9000that would make thinks more complicated and convoluted, while the intentions of Nintendo seem to be simplifying and making the series more accesible by just forgetting about divided timelimes that lead to nowhere.
I think BotW and TotK stories (past and present) just happen ages after any other game, and they present a new unified mythology and timeline without erasing anything (in fact, they unify everything)
I completely agree. I think that Botw takes place so far ahead in the future, that Hyrule eventually fell. From there the Zonai appeared and re-founded Hyrule. Which is why we have Rito, and Koroks, From the Adult timeline.
For a moment in the game, I thought Purah was going to be the 5th sage. It seemed like it was plausible. Right down to both Purah and Mineru being academic types, Mineru's fascination and interaction with Sheikah tech (the Purah Pad), and even her appearance is similar to Mineru's. I actually wonder if Mineru hadn't survived, would Purah have ultimately been the new sage of Spirit? Admittedly, it would have been cool to have a Sheikah sage, and a concrete parallel between the Zonai and the Sheikah (both ToTK and OoT Sheikah.)
She still could awaken as the 5th sage, since Mineru passed on and they mirror each other pretty well. Its not the first time a sage changed species as wind went from the Kokri to the Rito
I thought the same! Because we found the first clue in Kakariko Village, but I thought it was going to be Paya. Not sure if you played Age of Calamity? Young Impa has a fight move that let's her make 'holographic copies' of herself, so to speak. So when Mineru first mentioned her power to 'seperate her spirit from her body' I thought it would line up to something akin to Impa's power and thus end up with Paya (Impa from OOT being the Sage of Shadow seemed like a fitting connection) But Purah being Impa's sister would have been cool too as a Sage of Shadow!
But what ability did purah actually have to become a sage with?
Yeah Purah should have been the 5th sage, Mineru's temple and construct are pretty lame
@@w925gaming6 None that I can think of. But, being that the whole 5th sage thing didn't occur until a later act in the game, I figured we would have found out around the same time as her becoming a sage.
When Ganondorf transformed into the Demon King, I notice a familiar yet nostalgic boss theme from Ocarina of Time.
0:58 I just assumed their names were that of the Divine Beasts.
Medoh, the Rito Sage of Wind 💨
Rudania, the Goron Sage of Fire 🔥
Ruta, the Zora Sage of Water 💧
Naboris, the Gerudo Sage of Lightning ⚡️
Because they were. Otherwise we must assume the Rito sage was a man named Saria, as Medli wasn't even in Ocarina at all
Ill say, while I definitively caught on to a lot of the Ocarina references in this game, I also often found myself thinking of Marjoras Mask, and also how Ocarina-Majoras connect in similar ways that Breath-Tears connect:
-In Ocarina-Breath, you meet up a bunch of characters, and in Majoras-Tears you get to meet a lot of them again, however it goes from it being some sort of alternate reality-dimension-vague thing to it actually being the same people but in the future.
-You start Majoras-Tears by running into the final boss, Majoras and Ganondorf, face to face, right at the very beginning of the game, where he separates you from someone (Epona-Zelda) and leaves you cursed (Turn into a Deku-Lose his arm and most of his vitality). You are able to re-unite later (With Epona you get her haflway trough the game and its pretty chill, while the Dragon of Light and eventually getting Zelda are much more involved) and the "curse" landed on you ends up becoming one of your main new abilities thanks to a 3rd party helping reverse the effects (Happy Mask Salesman and the Masks vs Rauru , his arm and the shrines)
-The start of your quest in Majoras-Tears involves a search for an old friend who is missing, Navi and Zelda, however in Majoras you start looking for Navi and abandon that quest, while in Tears you start with your friend and your quest begins as soon as you lose her.
-This one is a bit more vibes based, but a lot of the problems that each of the races had in Tears reminded me a lot of the curses of each of Termina´s lands. They felt a lot more like "the entire land has been cursed and must be cleansed" than what the Breath-Ocarina problems did.
King Rauru did listen to Zelda's warnings that Ganondorf had evil in his heart. He even says that he knows Ganondorf is dangerous, and that that is precisely why he lets Ganondorf in - he wants Ganondorf where he can keep an eye on him. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer, as they say.
Where was he when Sonia was killed by Ganondorf?
Except... Ganondorf killed Sonia. Oops.
It still ultimately is the same as ignoring the warning. Zelda said Ganon is a menace and Raura was all "chill, I got this"
He did not, in fact, got it
And he admitted his mistake.
@@MelissaBrownell-pz3fe Too little too late.
I saw these parallels too. I think Zelda’s history Rhymes. It doesn’t necessarily repeat, but a similar form of events play out time and time again.
Maybe this is apart of Demises curse as well? Who knows.
I think maybe certain timelines did repeat themselves. Sometimes history has a habit of repeating certain events but in complete different ways. Give even when they are several years apart. The idea may be that old saying that those who don't learn from history are doom to repeat it. Not every zelda game did the same thing but it did create a stream of events that happened that through the timelines several different directions. And that is probably why there was a timeline split from ocarina of time.
I like the idea that BotW and TotK are a convergence point of all timelines, and that regardless of which, they end up like BotW anyways. The Zonai descending and trying to recreate Hyrule, unaware of Demise's curse, basically just set the wheels back in motion. My only gripe is that Ganon is reborn again despite Demise's curse affecting just about anyone with a hatred for the gods.
Yeah I noticed so many similarities, the final battle to TP, ganons alligience, Zelda’s warning etc
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was getting serious Ocarina of Time vibes from this. Just like a previous comment mentioned, I practically had flashbacks when I saw Ganon kneeling.
Bro, my man used a Hyrule Total War/Conquest cutscene. I’m so happy 😅
Is it meant to be a _remake,_ as in _reboot,_ meaning OoT never happened? No, I personally don't think so. Did the golden goddesses roll the dice in their little cyclic game and make bets on a scenario they played once before, but with a drastically different setting? That's more my thinking. Change up the background, but add a few similar elements, add a "closed loop" clause to this cycle, and then they rolled the dice and made bets. XD
These clips from Oot hd are giving me so many waves of nostalgia. I got it first when I was about 8 or 9 years old and I loved it and it’s what got me into legend of Zelda in the first place. I haven’t been able to find the 2ds I used to play it, though I am living in the same house so I could find it sometime.
Rauru, Ganondorf, a cycle I totally get it! Rauru is even the light beholder too! This truly is a telling of OOT but so much more mystery! I love this game! ❤
Thank You CR, this is undoubtedly, one of your best theory videos.
For the (and our) love of Hylia, Never stop.
Im glad i wasnt the only one who felt ocarina was speaking through this game
So much was borrowed / mirrored / remade from Ocarina in Tears :)
It fits perfectly to my feeling while playing it. I was sent back in time into my childhood, feeling this kind of enjoyment but in a new way. TotK really blew me away and I always had this OoT theme in my backhead.
Thx for the vid and confirming me.
I would love a switch version of Ocarina of Time
I seen a comment talking about that the sages are the namesake of the divine beasts
Wait in either of the two latest games is the Triforce (or any part of it) ever seen or explicitly spoken of by anyone?
Like we see Zelda using light magic, but never see a symbol of Triforce on her during these moments like we have in past games.
Ganondorf resorts to consuming the secret stone rather than using the triforce of power. Which is unusual based on past ganondorfs
What I'm saying is .. are they retconing the Triforce? Instead saying that Zelda's power is inherited from the goddess directly not the Triforce as well as her secret stone. And links power is from the master sword and Ganondorfs power is from his secret stone and maybe inherited from a demon/ demise?
think about this. totk has alot in common with ocarina of time. ocarina of time released 25 years ago.
Maybe there is a remaster of ocarina of time on the way for the nintendo switch!
i would love that tbh!
Or what if the DLC to TotK is you reliving "Ocarina of Time" in TotK's past time. Playing through the imprisoning war and have it be somewhat of an OoT remake, but canon in the BotW universe. :O
@@agahnim0196 would also be awesome my dude
Yes! This has been my head canon since I saw the kneeling scene (Ganon Canon)! You explain it so well!
I think you forgot to mention that the Time and Wild both shove the master sword down Ganon’s skull, in about the same spot
The floating castle is also reminiscent of ganon’s castle in oot!
This was legit my first thought too. Very similar.
So I've been running through this idea since I finished totk: Sonia and Rauru are the first king and queen because zelda and link from SS were only able to lay the groundwork, and after watching what a fully powered triforce could do, they deliberately kept it knowledge of it hidden, fast forward several generations, the land of hyrule is ready to become the kingdom we see and the zonai appear before the people, eventually leading to the marriage of Sonia and Rauru. Kotake and koume potentially being there in the past would be plausible if you consider that after 400 years you maybe lost count of time, they may have raised several "ganondorfs" by the point of oot, modeling them after their first king, even putting the law of the male garudo into place to make sure he'll have power. Sometime between minish cap and oot the find out about the triforce and add it to their teachings. I'd like to think the callbacks aren't just Easter eggs and were deliberate. As for the master sword of SS not being mentioned, link and zelda of that Era may not have wanted to risk demise being freed, and buried the knowledge of it with the triforce. All purely conjecture but it makes sense in my head
The callbacks to OoT felt more like a retcon to me, which upset me deeply, and haven't been able to finish the game because of this. It just kept frustrating and upsetting me at every turn. I wish I could go back and unwatch the memories so I could still at least enjoy the gameplay.
You could think of it being a retcon, but it's more of historical take of OoT's events leading into, again, a more historical take of The Imprisoning War backstory before ALttP's events.
I've noticed that people are forgetting that Impa herself, in BotW, said that a lot of events (in this case for the Downfall Timeline) with Ganon, are more of legend than history as time passed on.
I love this video. ❤ keep up the good work.
I was literally thinking about those parallels yesterday
It reminds me of what George Lucus said about Star Wars and how it rymes.
Now that I think about it, it is like OoT but instead of Link time traveling it's Zelda. 🤔🤯
Damn bruh you nailed this. I didn't even think of this but it sounds so logical!
The story seems like a mix between Ocarina of time with some elements of Skyward sword stirred into the story
The helms each of Ancient Sages wears. Do they reminded of the four Divine Beasts?
This game was so amazing can’t wait to watch this vid❤
Im exited for more theories to pop up!
Agree, BOTW is like the first three KID link quests portraying Ganon as a threat and TOTK is adult link story defeating Ganon.
I've already seen this theory posted about 2 weeks ago. you presented it better though.
Ngl, during the cutscene where Sidon speaks with his ancestor after touching the secret stone, I had hoped that the ancestor would look like Ruto
But the thing is ToTK doesn’t explain BoTW, it just does OoT through the lens of the Fallen Timeline. ToTK doesn’t explain anything of the Sheikah, the divine beasts, or Hylia; it strictly recreates OoT to beef up its own standing as a legitimate narrative while questionable mutating SS from its chronological primacy (at best).
BoTW was their way of being hyper vague using the “10,000 years” crap to basically say it’s in the “future”. When you ask which future, you get a noncommittal “you’ll find out”. Even the 10,000 year thing was just an event that they generically contrived that is separate from anything in the known series since technology was an active facet of BoTW past retelling. ToTK completely ignores BoTW’s version of the past and potentially goes “further past” to legitimize itself as a true “logical” canon, using BoTW as a foot in the door excuse to be like “now get this, we’re gonna tell you about the origins of Hyrule”.
Also for anyone who wants direct list of call backs/recreations of OoT in ToTK here:
1. The Golden Goddesses (GG) are traded in for a generic class of “gods”, the Zonai
2. The GGs physical embodiment/totem are supplanted with the “secret” stones, but are now more generified to allow for the “sages” concept originally used in ALTP and then OoT.
3. SS’s telling of Hylia’s function as an emissary for the GGs, and through Zelda and Link, establishing/being the basis for Hyrule is now taken up by the Zonai
4. Demise is generified to a “secret” stone enhanced version of a base ganondorf based on his OoT portrayal, ergo his classic “audience with the kingdom of hyrule” scene
5. The failure of the Hero in OoT is functionally represented by the failure of the “sages” and king “Rauru”, which they end up having to settle by “sealing” him until the right time
6. The kokiri are officially switched out for their antecedants based on prior iteration of canon lore, to which the Hero has no “link”, at least as of yet; they could also retcon this like they did with BoTW/ToTK already
7. If you believe ToTK has any meaningful link to BoTW, then the Sheikah were attendents to the royal family, but at least in ToTK our Impa stand in for Zelda is Mineru
8. Zelda has domain over time not by way of music instrument, but through a bloodline power native to her from her ancestral grandmother
9. Zelda can switch her form to aid the Hero, however here the change is more fixed until the plot needs her to return to her original form
10. Zelda is effectively the Temple of Time, housing the “pedestal” upon which the tool to defeat the evil resides
Changes that are more call backs/amalgamations of the prior series:
1. The tech in ToTK and BoTW are completely distinct from one another, but both are functionally a reworking of the automata of SS
2. Again the Zonai seem pretty directly to be a reworking of the dragons of SS in a more direct capacity
3. The entire species of Hyrule are just a mashing of the rest of the games, using the weak “distant future” argument to legitimize their coexistence
4. Demise, or at least his visualization, was reworked to a “secret” stone visage of Ganondorf
5. Fi, or at least her voalization” is a more direct usage and class back to SS, but given that this “version” of canon’s inherent reliance and intrinsic utilization of technology, I wouldn’t put it past the Zonai/Sheikah/Hyrulians to naturally create a sentient tool saying it was under the guidance of the divine
6. The sages are a direct reintroduction of the past sages of the original games (which eventually became the basis for the Fallen Hero timeline) and OoT
Honestly BoTW was just the developers noncommital way of getting around admitting to reboot the series, ToTK pushes this further even more so by literally rehashing OoT and carrying it forward in a a technology ridden version of the Fallen Hero Timeline. If they keep making games in the reboot version of canon no doubt they’ll bring back the Twili as a tool to either reinstitute Ganondorf as head villain or make them one of his “original” followers or an off shoot of a traitorous branch of “pick your people”.
I think the Zelda timeline has become an ouroboros at this point…due to the time shenanigans in Ocarina of Time it’s splits off into 3 branches, but was meant to come back together in the same way it started. Ocarina of Time and TOTK mirror each other, opening and closing the loop/branches. This is the meaning behind TOTK’s logo…TOTK and OOT are connected in events and what they mean to the branches in the timeline
I think it's very interesting that the cutscene memories seem to tell a version of ocarina of time's story that happened without the hero there. Rauru seems to play the role of both the hero and the sage of light and thus Link has to finish the job or complete the story tens of thousands of years later. The thousands of years in between, however, are largely unaccounted for, minus what we know about calamity ganon from botw. But it feels like the botw/totk timeline is entirely split off from the many timelines created after the original ocarina of time, almost like this is a totally separate timeline/universe altogether.
i think it fits in the downfall timeline in terms of plot, but as the presence of rito and zora im stumped
This is similar to my current thinking on the placement of Tears of the Kingdoms on the timeline.
I think the game tells an alternate timeline version of Ocarina of Time, in a timeline that I currently think splits after Skyward Sword
(since Skyward Sword seems to be the last and only game from the timeline that fits rather seamlessly into the continuity of BotW and TotK (especially since they said BotW is at the end of its respective timeline & same director)).
Maybe the split in the timeline has to do with locking away the triforce, since it does not technically appear in the 2 new games?
I am also of the thought that Tears of the Kingdom indicates a split from Skyward Sword and it's simply the retelling of the timeline without the split that Ocarina introduced since Eiji Aonuma seems to hate the current (or now previous?) timeline.
My idea is SS, BOTW And TOTK all exist in another timeline (and the OG Timeline but). The Era of Myth is a alternate reality version of the older games. And ganondorf in the era of myth that is similar in our OG timeline (the n64 games and other games etc) all exist or may not exist. Like a dragon break but like you said, doesn't necessarily end.
So BOTW and TOTK somehow exist possibly in a way that well never experience? But use what we know from SS, Era of Myth, BotW and TotK in the "Fujibiyoshi Parallel Timeline" to help answer the questions of the old OG Timeline.
Or something completely different. Some people say that BotW and TotK are contradictory to each other.
AND some people are saying the games are a ll one timeline.
which makes sense with what you said in your video. glad to know im not crazy lmao
I was sorta thinking that this game was pulling heavily from ocarina of time. I think the next game will take more Majora's mask inspiration and thats how we'll get the first space themed legend of Zelda game. Think about this perhaps they realize that the moon is holding some ancient evil what's if it's attracted some kind of alien invasion of Hyrule and you might have to travel higher into space to stop the invasion of the 4 main settlements. And meanwhile you and Zelda are trying to stop whatever is on the moon and it would end with a huge final boss on the moon
Forgetting the sage of time. The weird thing is that the sages where most important to the ocarina link seem to be changing race Impa to mineru, saria to tulin and the Raurus. Yet goron, gerudo and zora still hold there respective spots. Some will say gerudo swaps spirit to lightning but ocarina gerudo followed Ganondorf where as BOTW rebelled against him therefore the elements property may have changed.
This theory makes a lot of sense. Theoretically, Skyward Sword could have had a timeline split after its events, one branch going to the Ocarina of Time side and the other going to the past events of Tears of the Kingdom.
Honestly, its such a remake, it makes me wonder if Rauru was initially intended to be the king of hyrule in oot. as all the sages take up their mantle after passing as spirits and rauru shows up after the king dies, also he shares a lot of similar design traits with other kings of hyrule (skyword sword and windwaker)
Yeah as I was playing through I kept feeling as though it was a spiritual reimagining of OOT.
Wish they left a Easter egg in the old Lon Lon Ranch. Missed opportunity. 🤔😁
You should find Epona there in my opinion. I bought NFC cards just for her.
Wow just wow fing great work 👏 👍
So if its a retcon, you can find the clothing of past Links too right, so they acknoledge the previous Zelda games exist as well no? Or it just doesn't matter anymore? xD
I saw someone who pointed out that the name of the series is the "Legend" of Zelda. As such, its possible that each game is a recounting of a story of the Hero, and TotK is simply a retelling of Ocarina of Time with perhaps slightly different details
The distant past of Tears of the Kingdom is Ocarina of Time retold, without the Triforce, in a fourth timeline created by Skyward Swords time travel shenanigans.
Knowimg we got what is essentially an ocarina of time remake (not remaster, but REMAKE) adds even more value to this game
I was noticing it a lot while playing through the game as well! When Rauru was name dropped by ganon at the start I know my child self was jumping off the walls at the huge OoT callback!
One of the best parts of playing ToTK for me was playing it almost entirely with the Hero of Time set. It really brought me back
I also think it’s cool that anyone could essentially choose to be “their” Link. Would love to see a character creation one day so we can all be our own personal Links.
When you find the masks in the story they each seem to indicate they are named after the sage who once wore them.
You could also say the 3 Dragons are the 3 Triforce pieces from the OOT story, 3 goddesses who built Hyrule and are watching over it. Are they even visible to anybody else than Link it Tears?
I think totk's past parallels ocarina but it's present is alttp. Ganon breaks seal made by sages, rescue sages in the regions and they tell you about the imprisoning war, go fight Ganon in dark world parallel to Hyrule castle. If you believe Nintendo's original intention was for oot to be a direct prequel to alttp this really feels like them retelling that and this time its contained in one game and can't be split up by a timeline
I feel like this could be a hint at possibilities in the future of the series. Nintendo kinda rebooted the franchise starting with BotW. (A "soft reboot" based on interviews from around BotW's release (where the old stuff still happened but it's so massively far in the past that all timeline branches experienced their own variations of events similar to all of the games and ultimately the distinctions in which order all of that history occurred in is irrelevant and you can't tell the difference in which branch the game takes place on because they all end up at their own version of BotW), although I get the impression that they've moved into full reboot territory by now and only BotW and TotK fit the current canon.) I think that TotK could be the start of a trend of Nintendo remastering the no-longer-canon old Zelda stories. They've given themselves an opportunity to re-contextualize them and breathe new life into them.
Break the dam at the Zora reservoir and it'd drastically reshape the terrain of much of the kingdom with flooding. Perhaps not to the same extent as TWW's post-flood setting (unless by whatever magic shenanigans its holding back a great deal more water than it seems), but still enough to transform this map into one where travel by boat could come into play more heavily and a story like TWW's could be reimagined in it.
I have this crazy idea in my head about having them introduce some sort of magic that we could shoot into chasms to transform them into cross-realm portals. You use it and jump in and the gravity kinda seems to reverse and you get spat back out of the chasm as the POV flips around to still seem right side up, but you're actually in Lorule now (which I would hope would actually have all settlements built in different locations from Hyrule to add variety) and then Lorule could in turn have its own version of the depths. Jump in a Lorule chasm to reach its depths or use the magic again before jumping in to get back to Hyrule. Reimagine LBW on a double-TotK kind of scale.
Or what if Termina is brought into play by having reality-bending cross-realm portals spontaneously form somewhere within all of the caves across Hyrule that lead through to Termina similar to what the one in MM's intro originally did? Reimagine MM on a double-BotW kind of scale (I think they'd keep the depths out of that one, but the new Termina map would be on the same scale as BotW's Hyrule) if we could travel freely between worlds but the threat of the moon looms over both worlds somehow... And probably set a different doomsday clock because of the difference in scale of the maps we'd be able to explore. Three weeks, or something.
Oh, but I'm just thinking one game at a time with those ideas. TotK is effectively a two-for-one deal where memory cutscenes of the past are a replacement for OoT (and where those memories are directly referred to as being about the Imprisoning War) and the present gameplay is a replacement for LttP (since the premise of LttP was that it was finishing what the Imprisoning War started). So what kind of combinations could they try to pull off so that we somehow reimagine a couple games at the same time again?
I have a wild theory that the lomei tribe could be the ancestors of link. Which could imply that they are infact a warrior and more nomadic cast of the zonai. Which would lead to links blood connections to the ancient hero of the first calamity. It also would explain the more animalistic appearance of the ancient hero, because the lomei tribe are the closest things to dragons without draconficacion
Random, but a Sheikah/guardian DLC for TOTK could be cool, but this video made me consider what a DLC that closely follows Zelda’s story in TOTK. It could be boring, since in many of the flashbacks, she’s sort of just, present, so that we see what happened through her perspective. Or, we could follow the Zonai champion that Link inherited the master sword from.
I think there was a timesplit between ss and oot that resulted in botw and totk
8:06 are you sure about the 100.000 years? Because in the imprisoning war cutscene in TOTK Ganondorf speaks of 10.000 years (I've heard this in the German version, but someone on the internet assured me that it's the same in the Japanese version too). Which is a weird timeskip, because that would be about the same time as the time of the great calamity.
TotK has so many callbacks it's great. There's even parallels to Zelda 2, with Link breaking a "seal" on an "ancient Zelda" (The Original Zelda even, given that this was a new start for Hyrule)
Every Zelda game since Ocarina's release has called back to Ocarina so this could easily be coincidental from all the recycled references. The boldest thematic statement BOTW ever made to the effect that it was looking to depart from the old Zelda formula was _not giving Link a magical instrument or having him play music of some kind to progess the story._
Link has played flutes, harps, used a conductor's baton -- even Twilight Princess had Link howl tunes in his wolf form.
a critisism I have with TOTK is that it feels like the events of BOTW didn't really happen
I like to think about it as a loophole.
The events of OOT are happening again but in an alternative dimension or universe.
This is a weird theory as yes there is some supposed "evidence"(i quote this as the exhibitions are simply events without any explanation of link between the two) however to even come close to believing it you have to ignore everything else and pass it off as "Legend" which is unproveable or disproveable so if you like to believe in something that you will simply ignore on the grounds of your own belief then go ahead.
My belief is that TotK is meant to be the uncovered truth of what actually happened during the Imprisoning War and that the events of Ocarina and the prelude to Link to the Past are different *tellings* of history with some details forgotten and other details embellished. Much like actual Earth history that has become mythologized (think The Iliad and The Odyssey). Along those lines, the real aftermath has aspects that are reflected in each of the "timeline splits": the Depths might have inspired stories of both the Twilight and the Dark World, as for Wind Waker's Great Sea BotW and TotK both tell us that the rock salt comes from a time when much of the surface was covered with water. It is possible that all of the "timeline splits" were simply regional retellings and distortions of things that actually happened and details such as Ganondorf coming back were the only reason the people of later times could think of for those events taking place.
That's just how I feel about the whole thing though. It's a lot easier than trying to fit BotW and TotK into the overly convoluted framework of the three timelines. It's easier to just fit those older stories into the new framework.
Bravo! I've been thinking something along these lines myself but you articulated it better than I could have!
Rauru was also alluded to in _Skyward Sword_ as the headmaster of the knight academy and Zelda's father, making him the closest parralell Skyloft had to the king's of Hyrule. His owl moteif (which is also referenced in Zonai depictions of the Triforce as the aspect pertaining to wisdom) could be related to the Yatagarasu, a Shinto spirit fo guidance which led the first emperor of Japan, Jimmu, to the Yamato province, the Zelda parrallels being the Zonai king and the Great Plateau as the location of Hyrule's founding respectivly. There is speculation as to the significance of the bird's three legs, but once cannot help comparing it to the Triforce as well.
If the Divine Beasts are named after Ocarina of Time Sages, that leaves Vah Medoh as the odd one out referring to a sage from Wind Waker. But what if I told you it is actually make after an Ocarina character instead?
You see in Zelda 2 The Adventure of Link the towns are all named after ancient Sages one of the towns is Mido. If Wind replaced Forest to reflect older ideas that had been changed, I think it's very possible for the name of the unknown Wind Sage to be named after a previously established name of an unseen Sage.
If you recall Mido was not a Sage in Ocarina of Time however if Tears of the Kingdom is sort of a thematic retelling of that same event and all of the Divine beasts names in breath of the Wild derived from ancient Sages but with other letters and it's jumbled up, Medoh and Mido could be the same name. It is also very similar to The Wind Waker Rito Sage named Medli.
So I believe the ancient Rito Sage was named Mido, and we know the other 3 names because of their Ocarina counterparts
You could also make a parallel to the fallen timeline as Sonia, weilder of the tear of time, was killed by ganondorf.
I think totk takes place 6 years after botw because its confirmed to be 5-7 years, and totk was released 6 years after botw, and 6 years fits in the time window.
Everyone taking pot shots at link tormenting koroks. You guys need to make a korok war shirt lol
I hope the next is the same map from totk but uses minish cap to expand 10 fold.
I get a lot of Ocarina of Time vibes from this game
I actually love the idea that this retcons oot
I think that history rhymes, and that part TOTK happens before skyward sword. Sonia and Rauru are ancestors of Zelda, but Sonia doesn’t have (Hylia’s) divine power and they don’t recognize the goddess/master sword.
Just wish we had some direct OoT references put in there along with Poe enemies, ReDead, Dodongos, etc. Maybe some locations with the same layout as OoT locations like Old Kakariko, the Forest Temple remains, etc. Or these Easter Eggs are still hidden in the game.
"Tortured by Link" Lol
9:02 This part seems to more resemble Wind Waker.
I still hold on to the theory that Skyward Sword split the timeline in two: one as described as in the Hyrule Historia and one where BotW and TotK take place. This being due to the ending of SS, where Link returns to a present where Sky Keep has crushed the Imprisoned after just having defeated Demise in the past, as well. The "present" timeline does not carry Demise's curse, which is rooted in his defeat and therefore in the "past" timeline. As a result, both OoT and the memories of TotK happen at the same time in different timelines, but under different circumstances due to the presence or absence of the curse. I think the only thing contradicting this theory is the timeline-hopping of the Master Sword at the end of SS, but then again, it is a sword that tends to defy time...
Fun fact: this would also explain the goddess statues appearing in BotW and TotK, since the original statue descended in the "present" timeline of SS.
One thing is for sure. Totk didn’t come close to Oots dungeons. In number and in puzzles. Oot also did a way better job of enveloping the player in the story rather than watching second hand through “memories”
Totk is decent but I coulda done without the technology. Cars and motorcycles etc just don’t fit in the Zelda universe.. Regardless I woulda been happy with real dungeons and more dungeons.
My personal theory on how much time pass between botw and totk is close to 4 years, mainly due to some children in various locations aren’t teenagers
I thought the reason for the Sages to wear masks was that they were known to us from previous games and were meant to be kept sercret until the climax of Tears of the Kingdom. My initial thought was the Sage of Fire was Darunia, the Sage of Water was Ruto, and the Sage of Thunder was Nabooru - all of them from Ocarina of Time. But what about the Sage of Wind? There were no Rito in OoT... So my thought was, if the Sage of Wind was female, she could've been Medli from The Wind Waker, but since the Sage was male, the only other option I could think of was Prince Komali, also from TWW. I know it's crazy and far-fetched maybe, but why keeping the Sages' identities a secret in the first place? After all, they're never revealed in the game. At this point, only a DLC could answer that question... Or will there be a third part...? I could imagine this to be a trilogy. I think TotK left too many unanswered questions...
I always believed that OoT was always from child link’s perspective. Remember he was only a kid when all the events happened and when he grew older his mind was still young and had not matured like a proper adults. The game could have been him telling Zelda what happened and his childlike mind embellishing or misremembering certain key moments
Where did you get that Zelda pic... The Yiga of course! Well that makes things simple! She's gonna be so confused when she comes to your house. XD
Imagine if Hestu became the forest sage.
This makes sense that BotW and TotK was originally in the child timeline but after the Demon King wakes up all three were merged together
What I love about Tears is it reminds me of the following Zelda games:
Skyward Sword:
-Ganon becoming the new Demon King
-Return to the sky
-The Origins of Hyrule Storyline continued
-Zelda traveling through time
Ocarina of Time:
-The return of The Seven Sages
-The return of Rauru
-Time Travel
Breath of the Wild:
-Storyline and World.
Tears of the Kingdom is one of the greatest Zelda sequels ever.
9:47 where do I exactly find this place?
OMG I have been saying all this since the game came out. Really nice to see my own personal theory being the same as others
Same here. Bought at midnight launch and a few days later after getting all the Tears. Even stated my theory in a few other YT vids about it. Made sure to take screen shots too 😂😂.
100%, I couldn’t number the times throughout this game that I felt it was alluding to Ocarina
Agree with and liked the rhyming of history with OoT, but wish there was more. Namely the "gems" from OoT could have been something to do with putting the divine beasts to sleep back in the sheika obelisks that were around the castle, and retrieveing 4 gems similar to the ones from OoT. That could have been before going under the castle and the caves we explored were opened when the obelisks decended back down. Thus we cause the Upheaval. That would've given us 4 extra mini dungeons/quests before Zeldas time travel. Also, I was underwhelmed by the temples they all needed more enemies and more puzzles. The Spirit Temple was basically free, you just had to find it. If this was done there would have 9 dungeons total (a cool Easter egg back to first zelda having 9 dungeons) 4 before 5 after the Upheaval.